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Fox's Shawn did not challenge Col. Day's assertion that "what was said in the Swift Boat campaign" was "absolutely true"

July 07, 2008 6:17 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On America's Election HQ, Eric Shawn did not challenge retired Col. George "Bud" Day's false assertion that "what was said in the Swift Boat campaign by the swift boaters [was] absolutely true." In fact, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth promoted false and baseless smears about Sen. John Kerry's military service during the 2004 presidential campaign.

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On the July 6 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ, anchor Eric Shawn did not challenge retired Air Force Col. George "Bud" Day's false assertion that "what was said in the Swift Boat campaign by the swift boaters [was] absolutely true." As Media Matters for America has noted, Day -- a part of Sen. John McCain's "Truth Squad" -- was a member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which promoted false and baseless smears about Sen. John Kerry's military service during the 2004 presidential campaign, including an ad that McCain himself called "dishonest and dishonorable." Day was responding to Shawn's questions regarding retired Gen. Wesley Clark's June 29 comments on CBS' Face the Nation that many in the media falsely reported as an attack on McCain's military service.

Further, Shawn, while reporting that "the McCain campaign used [Day] to rebut Wesley Clark's remarks," did not challenge Day regarding the false assertion he reportedly made during a June 30 conference call that "General Clark spent a month in Vietnam, got badly wounded, evacuated, and that was his Vietnam experience." In fact, as Media Matters has noted, Clark served at least six months in Vietnam, first as a 1st Infantry Division staff officer (assistant G-3) from July 1969 until January 1970, and then as an infantry company commander from January 1970 until he was wounded in combat on February 19, 1970.

From the 11 a.m. ET hour of the July 6 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ:

SHAWN: One week after attacking Senator John McCain, it looks like retired NATO supreme commander General Wesley Clark could be waving the white flag. His aides have announced he is, quote, "taking a break" from his efforts at supporting Barack Obama and speaking out publicly. General Clark made the remarks, that were very controversial, during an interview with CBS' Face the Nation last Sunday. He argued that he didn't think that Mr. McCain is up for being the commander in chief because in his words, quote, "getting into a -- riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down" is -- he feels is not a qualification to be president. Well, after being shot down, Mr. McCain was imprisoned as you know, over five years. He was beaten and tortured. This is video of him taken by a French journalist. They tried to use him for propaganda. They tried to have him to betray his country. He was in solitary for two-and-a-half years. He still has some of the physical effects of that torture. One of his cellmates, one of the most famous of his cellmates, joins us now. Colonel George "Bud" Day is on the telephone with us. Colonel Day is one of the highest members of the military who've been awarded the most honors for military service. Colonel Day, thank you for joining us on Fox News today.

DAY: Well, good morning.

SHAWN: What is your view of Senator -- General Wesley Clark apparently backing away of his criticism?

DAY: Well, it was a good -- really good time to retreat. After having made those foolhardy, incorrect comments, it's time for him to acknowledge that he made a bad mistake. If what he said was true, then that meant that John Kennedy's qualifications, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, all of those people were not qualified either.

SHAWN: Well, you know, he hasn't admitted or said that it's a mistake. He has backed up what he said, saying it's factual. I mean, is there a sense in your view that just because you -- in his view -- gets shot down that that doesn't qualify you to be the commander in chief?

DAY: I think that that's kind of a gross distortion. It's clear that just getting shot doesn't qualify you for something, but what you do in response to that certainly does. And John's conduct in POW camp, just as Harry Truman's conduct in the war, Eisenhower's conduct in the war, all of that is what counts. And what John did after he got shot down is really the telling issue here.

SHAWN: Well, tell us about that. When you first saw him, you thought he wouldn't live through the night.

DAY: Yeah. I never had any expectation he would make it. He was about 95 pounds. He was extremely sick. He was -- had those real fever bright eyes. I was certain that they had just dumped him off on me so they could claim that we let him die. And so, he made a remarkable recovery, because he was determined that he wasn't going to die. And then he went on to become -- as he got well, we got to be extremely firm friends. And today he is one of my dearest friends.

SHAWN: Well, you're with him a lot. You're on the campaign trail. In fact, the McCain campaign used you to rebut Wesley Clark's remarks. That caused the Obama campaign to go after you, because of your involvement with the Swift Boat Veterans in John Kerry's campaign. I mean, you've gotten criticism for that.

DAY: Well, I do. The difference in the two issues is that what was said in the Swift Boat campaign by the swift boaters were absolutely true. They were exposing what the real John Kerry. What Wesley Clark was attempting to do was to propagandize and diminish John McCain's good service, and that was false. So, he beat a good retreat, and a wise thing to do. After having put his foot in his mouth, the smart thing was to jerk it out.

SHAWN: Well, his aide is quoted as saying that he's going to go attend to his business affairs and it's time to move on, in his words. Not that MoveOn group, but it's time for Mr. Clark to move on, which he will. Bud Day, Colonel, we thank you so much. And I want to point out that you were a POW yourself, 67 months. In my book, all of you guys are American heroes. Colonel, thank you.

DAY: OK, well, thanks so much. Good to talk to you again.

SHAWN: Absolutely, Colonel.

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    • Author by peebs755 (July 07, 2008 6:30 pm ET)
         

      "The difference in the two issues is that what was said in the swift boat campaign by the swift boaters were absolutely true".

      What a crock. Its hard to believe he still thinks this will work. I'm always amazed, in a bad way, by how much they try to get away with.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 07, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
         
      Really...exactly what part was true? That John Kerry volunteered for hazardous duty...to float up a river in a little Boston Whaler in order to draw enemy fire and was actually wounded? I think the Swifties kinda downplayed that part...
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 07, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
           

        Further, the Swiftboat message was that you can't trust the military's official versions of acts of valor...that John Jerry's commendations were incorrect. Therefore, I would assume that we should not trust any official version of John McCain's POW experience. After all, his father was the commander of U.S. forces in Viet Nam. Don't you think the official account of John McCain's POW experience was most likely whitewashed. I'd like to know more about John McCain's own admission that he initially "broke"...and of the preferential treatment he reportedly got when his captors discovered who his father was.

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        • Author by snoopy (July 07, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
             

          And McCain? Broke under pressure after only four days of torture. So many soldiers suffered so much longer at the hands of the vietnamese. He had it pretty easy considering they found out his daddy was an admiral. He would have continued to be denied treatment if it weren't for that revelation. It's time to stop pulling punches. Sure, he was captured and tortured, but bottom line? He broke under less pressure than your average POW and received preferential treatment from the captors due to his connections.

          Many returning POWs have noted how being broke sticks with you for the rest of your life. McCain is no exception (with the exception that he folded like a sissy). His 2000 campaign shows how quickly he folds in to pressure, apparently he has never gotten over his captivity either.

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          • Author by pointofview (July 07, 2008 10:50 pm ET)
               
            And how many days of torture do you think it would take to break you?  I love these kind of attacks against McCain.  The more people like you call him a sissy, the stronger his campaign will get.  Clark broke the seal on attacking his military service, and it is great to see people like you continue on with it.  We all know the dems should win this election.....but comments like that and blunders by Obama may still prove that the dems can blow an election like no one else. 
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            • Author by jawill11 (July 08, 2008 8:39 am ET)
                 

              I've asked it before, and you've forced me to ask it again: give us details and explaination on exactly HOW Clarke attacked McCain's military service.  

              What we do know is that the piece of garbage Bud Day did not satisfy his urges with lying about Kerry and completely trashing his service, but has now been trashing Clarke's service as well.  But I guess it's ok when he does it.     

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            • Author by skeptical (July 08, 2008 8:40 am ET)
                 

              POV,

              Did you defend John Kerry's service when he was attacked by the Swift Boat liars?

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            • Author by wzwriter (July 08, 2008 9:09 am ET)
                 

              And how many days of torture do you think it would take to break you?

              Every day you post here, POV, is a day of torture for the rest of us.   :-)

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            • Author by snoopy (July 08, 2008 10:38 am ET)
                 
              first, it doesn't matter how many days it would take me to break. Some people can take more than others, until I'm tested I'll never really know. But I can gaurantee one thing - I won't be getting preferential treatment like McCain did, my dad was only a sargeant in the Marines. But I did notice you once again failed to address a single one of my points, you preferred to project the issue back to whether or not I could do better. So, care to address my points, or can I safely assume that there was not a single lie told?
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              • Author by wzwriter (July 08, 2008 11:08 am ET)
                   

                But I can gaurantee one thing - I won't be getting preferential treatment like McCain did, my dad was only a sargeant in the Marines.

                I'd get even less preferential treatment - my dad was only a corporal in the Marines.

                Semper fi!!!!

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          • Author by MissDee (July 08, 2008 7:01 am ET)
               

            Unlike the swift boaters who actually served WITH Kerry, I seriously doubt that you were there with John McCain in captivity, so your crap reeks of its composition. Perhaps you might want to put yourself to the test and get captured by Al Quaida and see how you fare in comparison?  Keep it up. Moonbat rantings like this will only enhance the chances of McCain winning in November.

             

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            • Author by BillJ-MN (July 08, 2008 8:15 am ET)
                 

              You do know, don't you, that the "swift boaters" who actually served WITH Kerry, that is, those who served directly with him, were among his strongest supporters?  And that the swift boat liars who attacked him in 2004 didn't actually serve directly with him?

              Had Kerry done the things the liars accused him of doing, there is no way he could possibly have retained the respect and loyalty of his crew the way he did.

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            • Author by skeptical (July 08, 2008 8:41 am ET)
                 

              Missdee,

              Did you call the Swift Boat liars, moonbats?

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 08, 2008 12:33 pm ET)
                 

              Unlike the swift boaters who actually served WITH Kerry

              OK, I'll call bu!!sh!t here, since the vast majority of the Swift Boat Vet's for [omitted - I can't bring myself to type it] DID NOT in fact serve with Kerry.  Of the one's featured in those disgusting ads, I think only 1 guy was actually on Kerry's boat!  And his SBVT statements contradct earlier statements he'd made.

              They are liars - ALL OF THEM.  And SO ARE YOU!

              If you call on man's medals into questions, you call ALL medals awarded by the same system into question.  (And that includes Mister McCain's.) The US Military's opinion is good enough for me, so why do YOU hate the troops so much?

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (July 08, 2008 1:18 pm ET)
                   

                only 1 guy was actually on Kerry's boat!  And his SBVT statements contradct earlier statements he'd made.

                He changed his tune after the RNC check cleared.

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          • Author by sandss981580 (July 08, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
               
            i'd rather be waterboarding.
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        • Author by mikerhyner8202 (July 08, 2008 12:33 am ET)
             

          "Don't you think the official account of John McCain's POW experience was most likely whitewashed."

          How many times are you going to float this ballon?

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        • Author by mari2jj (July 08, 2008 1:13 am ET)
             
          Yes, upi are right on.  Well I supose tha they would tell you that that they always tell the truth simply because they tacked on the word, "truth".  Any other connection with the truth is a liie, you know the things they do so well.  But good for MM in clling them on their lies.  I have sent email to all of my children who live in 4 battle ground stated and as a result, they are all (5) of the plus Grandkids are following election news on this site.  Gonna remind them to let news outlets who promulgate these lies that they will no longer watch  any distributor of these lies.  Thanks for the info. programs.
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    • Author by open_mind (July 07, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
         

      "Well, it was a good -- really good time to retreat. After having made those foolhardy, incorrect comments, it's time for him to acknowledge that he made a bad mistake."--Bud Day

      What exactly were Clark's "incorrect comments", Mr. Day?  Was McCain not shot down?  Is being shot down a valid qualification for President?  Assuming you said "yes", should McCain choose Duke Cunningham for his running-mate?

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (July 07, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
         

      And John's conduct in POW camp...all of that is what counts.

      How was his conduct in the POW camp?  Did he sing?  Is he a Manchurian Candidate?  Will we ever know?  Come on Bud, get me some answers.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 07, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
           
        And, according to the Swifties, the military's official version cannot be trusted...that's what they said regarding John Kerry's commendations. So, yea, I'd like to know the REAL story about John McCain's captivity. too. 
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    • Author by Governor (July 07, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
         

      DAY: I think that that's kind of a gross distortion. It's clear that just getting shot doesn't qualify you for something...

      Ok, finally, some truth comes out on Fox News.  Now, back to the swift lies...

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (July 07, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
           

        Yet these SwiftyLiars still have their defenders in the media.I guess it's the same group that defends the war in Iraq and the economic policies of the past 8 years.

        Some people just have no threshold for BS. Will they defend the Crocs with the Presidential Seal socks as well? Where do they draw the line?

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        • Author by worrierking (July 07, 2008 7:36 pm ET)
             
          I've never seen anyone wear socks with Crocs. Maybe it's a Baltimore/DC thing and the fad hasn't reached NJ yet.

          What kind of guy is so insecure, so shallow and so undeserving of the office that he orders socks with the presidential seal?
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    • Author by princeofwheels (July 07, 2008 8:57 pm ET)
         
      Colonel Day is just a foolish old man. Such a shame that he is also qualified to be President but isn't running. He was a POW so maybe a VEEP position may be available....at the Senior Citizens home where he belongs.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 07, 2008 10:48 pm ET)
         
      By all means bring back the Swifties. They just officially shut down the organization not too long ago. But hey that just makes it harder to find anyone to argue against. Yah go for it Col Day remind everyone as often as you can. People will remember how somehow it was really important to slime a veteran in 03.  
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 08, 2008 12:30 pm ET)
           

        Thing is, as most of us know here, the SBVFT slimed NOT John Kerry, but John Kerry's war record. They didn't disagree with his policies, or his ideas, nope, they directly attacked his military service.

        Clark, as most of us know, did no such thing to McCain. If the SBVFT had said, "How does John Kerry's war record make him qualified for being President?" I could have gotten on board with that. Same for McCain. Being a POW doesn't qualify McCain for being President, just as serving in Vietnam and getting wounded didn't make Kerry qualified to be President. I would never attack the service records of either man in that case. They both served our country admirably, and during a time when there were many (Bush et all) who didn't want anything to do with Vietnam and or the war, and or to serve overseas.

        I also live the right wingers who keep talking about how Clark trashed McCain's military service, and how WRONG he was in doing it. Keep in mind, these were the same guys who were probably sporting purple heart band-aids when Kerry was running, and are also the same guys who have NO trouble trashing a vet's service, when said vet doesn't agree with what they're saying. Kerry. Cleland. Gore. And I'm sure there are others in there to add to the list (Murtha). Double standards all around. I wouldn't trash anyone's military career, as long as they served honorably, and with distinction.

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        • Author by wzwriter (July 08, 2008 1:28 pm ET)
             

          Keep in mind, these were the same guys who were probably sporting purple heart band-aids when Kerry was running, and are also the same guys who have NO trouble trashing a vet's service, when said vet doesn't agree with what they're saying.

          We need to never forget these wonderful delegates to the 2004 GOP Convention, as they smeared each and every Purple Heart recipient in order to boost an alcoholic, coke-snorting deserter:

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (July 09, 2008 12:28 pm ET)
         

      Swift boat liars=moreFAR RIGHT WING GARBAGE.

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