Hannity distorted Clinton's remarks about Mandela, falsely cited it as part of "a series of attacks" on McCain's "military record"
SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity aired a deceptively cropped statement from Bill Clinton's remarks at the Aspen Ideas Festival in asserting that Clinton was "obviously taking a shot at Senator [John] McCain," omitting the context showing that Clinton was discussing what Nelson Mandela means to him. Hannity also falsely asserted that Clinton's statement and recent comments by Wesley Clark were part of "a series of attacks on Senator McCain's military record."
On the July 8 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity aired a deceptively cropped statement from former President Bill Clinton's July 5 remarks at the Aspen Ideas Festival in asserting that Clinton was "obviously taking a shot at Senator [John] McCain." However, as the full statement and context of Clinton's remarks make clear, Clinton was discussing what former South African president -- and political prisoner -- Nelson Mandela means to him. Hannity provided no evidence to support his assertion that Clinton's comments were a "shot at Senator McCain." Hannity also falsely asserted that Clinton's statement and recent comments by retired Gen. Wesley Clark were part of "a series of attacks on Senator McCain's military record."
Asked during a July 5 appearance at the Aspen Ideas Festival about what Mandela has meant to him, Clinton responded in part:
CLINTON: I told him [Mandela] that the day he was released for the last time, and you may all remember they -- it was beautifully staged for television, the way it was on an early Sunday morning in the United States. And he walked -- he took last -- one long last walk down a dusty road, went through a gate, and then got in the car and rode away.
I said to him, "Now, tell me the truth." I said, "I know you're a great man, but you're also a great politician. And you did the right thing getting all those people in your government, but when you were taking those last steps, didn't you really relive those 27 years, and didn't you hate them again?" He said, "Sure, I did." It's great, you know, you reach a certain age and you're not running for anything, you can pretty well say what you want.
And he said, "Sure, I did. For a moment, I did." He said, "I felt anger and hatred and fear. And I realized that if I kept hating them once I got in that car and got through the gate, I would still be in prison. So, I let it go, 'cause I wanted to be free." There is a --
[applause]
There is -- every living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger. Everybody. And just learning that you have to practice -- and by the way, I said this at his birthday. I'm probably one of the few people who's actually seen him mad on more than one occasion. You know, it's just like, if you know anybody that who was ever a POW for any length of time, you will see that you go along for months or maybe even years, and then something will happen, it'll trigger all those bad dreams, and they'll come back, and it may not last 30 seconds. That's the thing that makes his life so monumental. It's not like all that stuff just went away, but he disciplined himself and his mind and his heart and his spirit to always work to constantly overcome it every day.
However, from that exchange about Mandela, Hannity & Colmes aired only the portions of the statement in which Clinton said:
- "[E]very living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger."
- "[I]f you know anybody who was ever a POW for any length of time, you will see that you go along for months or maybe even years, and then something will happen, it'll trigger all those bad dreams, and they'll come back, and it may not last 30 seconds."
- "It's not like all that stuff just went away."
Additionally, the editing of the last part cut off the end of Clinton's sentence: "It's not like all that stuff just went away, but he disciplined himself and his mind and his heart and his spirit to always work to constantly overcome it every day" [emphasis added].
Hannity further asserted: "Now, there's been a series of attacks on Senator McCain's military record. [Sen.] Tom Harkin [D-IA] is one, and more recently, Wesley Clark. That attack by Bill Clinton. I think it's pretty outrageous."
Hannity was referring to Clark's June 29 interview on CBS' Face the Nation. However, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, Clark did not attack McCain's Vietnam War record during his June 29 interview.
From the July 8 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
CLINTON [video clip]: [E]very living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger. [video break] [I]f you know anybody that who was ever a POW for any length of time, you will see that you go along for months or maybe even years, and then something will happen, it'll trigger all those bad dreams, and they'll come back, and it may not last 30 seconds. [video break] It's not like all that stuff just went away.
HANNITY: That was former President Bill Clinton, obviously taking a shot at Senator McCain. We continue now with former presidential candidate, former governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney.
Now, there's been a series of attacks on Senator McCain's military record. Tom Harkin is one, and more recently, Wesley Clark. That attack by Bill Clinton. I think it's pretty outrageous. What do you think of those remarks, in particular, considering Senator McCain served five and a half years as a prisoner of war and was beaten regularly?
ROMNEY: Well, those remarks were below the belt. That was just completely off base and part of President Clinton -- he's been known to do that from time to time, but I think he stepped in it again. I think every veteran in this country, and frankly people who love those who have served the country, are going to be offended by anyone who's casting aspersions at John McCain's military career and his service of this country, and to suggest that he's anything other than a highly tested and proven individual after 25 years in the U.S. Senate is completely off base.
HANNITY: I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president. Well, you know, the big resume-building quality, I guess, of Barack Obama, his big experience, is that he's a community organizer, Governor. A community -- we keep hearing -- I don't even know what a community organizer -- what is a community organizer?
[...]
COLMES: Governor, you know who said that military service absolutely does not make someone better equipped to be president?
ROMNEY: No.
COLMES: John McCain did. And that was the point Wesley Clark was making, not denigrating his service, but simply saying that, in and of itself -- as John McCain himself has said -- does not make you necessarily the best choice to be president of the United States.
ROMNEY: Well, certainly, no one would say that simply in your life having served in the military is sufficient qualification to be president to the United States. No one's saying that. Of course, John McCain wouldn't say that, that that's the only criteria for becoming president.
But it's certainly a source of leadership and experience which tests a person's mettle, and in any way for Democrats to try and critique or criticize John McCain's military service, as you heard from Bill Clinton, that's really quite astounding, frankly.
COLMES: Well, I'm not sure I got that from what he said. We may --
ROMNEY: And I think it --
COLMES: We may disagree about that.
From Bill Clinton's July 5 comments at the Aspen Ideas Festival:
WALES: Nelson Mandela turns 90 in a couple of weeks. He is someone with whom you've been extremely close over the years. I wanted you to say a word about what he has meant, not only to South Africa, to Africa, to the world, but also to say something about what he's meant to you personally.
CLINTON: Well, I think the importance of his life for all of us is that, first of all, he proved that -- he really did give up his freedom, almost a full third of his life, so that everybody could be free, including his oppressors. He paid as high a price as you can pay without getting killed for it to prove that freedom has to be a universal commodity. And then he governed in a way that was consistent with what he said.
Everybody knows, for example, that he invited his jailers to his inauguration. Not as many people know that he put the leaders of all the groups that oppressed him into his cabinet. And keep in mind, he was elected with two-thirds of the vote, so he did not have to do that. There is no constitutional system in the world that would have required him to do it. He did it because he knew that the country could not govern without the skills and knowledge and the psychological balance that would be provided by doing that. So he did that. That's the first thing he did.
The second thing he did, which is very important in the [Robert] Mugabe case, is to show us that you don't have to be in office to do public service. You can do much public good as a private citizen. And your ability to do it is enhanced if you leave office as required by the laws of your country with good grace, and then you use the stature you acquired from having held the job to try to continue to be of public service. And he did it in his later years, when no one would have blamed him if he had retreated to that amazing game preserve he has up -- that a friend of his built him a house in in northern South Africa.
And the third thing he did was to show us all how to live, that's the thing he meant most to me about. I mean, he just -- you know, he really did realize that -- if you read his memoirs -- I wrote about this in my book, but he said -- I ask him -- I told him [Mandela] that the day he was released for the last time, and you may all remember they -- it was beautifully staged for television, the way it was on an early Sunday morning in the United States. And he walked -- he took last -- one long last walk down a dusty road, went through a gate, and then got in the car and rode away.
I said to him, "Now, tell me the truth." I said, "I know you're a great man, but you're also a great politician. And you did the right thing getting all those people in your government, but when you were taking those last steps, didn't you really relive those 27 years, and didn't you hate them again?" He said, "Sure, I did." It's great, you know, you reach a certain age and you're not running for anything, you can pretty well say what you want.
And he said, "Sure, I did. For a moment, I did." He said, "I felt anger and hatred and fear. And I realized that if I kept hating them once I got in that car and got through the gate, I would still be in prison. So, I let it go, 'cause I wanted to be free." There is a --
[applause]
There is -- every living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger. Everybody. And just learning that you have to practice -- and by the way, I said this at his birthday. I'm probably one of the few people who's actually seen him mad on more than one occasion. You know, it's just like, if you know anybody that who was ever a POW for any length of time, you will see that you go along for months or maybe even years, and then something will happen, it'll trigger all those bad dreams, and they'll come back, and it may not last 30 seconds. That's the thing that makes his life so monumental. It's not like all that stuff just went away, but he disciplined himself and his mind and his heart and his spirit to always work to constantly overcome it every day.
And I think, in some ways, when you look at how we're gonna -- what will happen in the aftermath of Mugabe's going? There will be an enormous -- let's suppose the best of all worlds happened, and he woke up tomorrow and he says, "I've had a terrible attack of conscience. I'm tired of this general running me. I don't care how old I am. I have some good sense left. I'm out of here. Goodbye. I love my country. I wish you well." Think of all the people on the other side who would be tempted to go kill other people. I mean, this is a universal lesson that all of us have to keep struggling with in our lives.
So I think he proved freedom has to be a universal commodity. He served with enormous distinction out of office as well as in, and he taught us a lot about how all of us should be trying to live. And that's -- those three things are why I think he's -- he, along with [former Israeli prime minister] Yitzhak Rabin, are the two most remarkable people I ever knew.















Oops, sorry. If Sean Hannity sees it this way, I must have been on flu pills when I first questioned this statement from Clinton.
I take it back.
Thank you for evolving your opinion, Tommy. I'm sincere, I really mean it. Seriously.
Good on ya, mate.
Clams,
We're liberals. We believe in silly things like redemption and all of that. I argue pretty hard with Tommy at times and I love to jump on the dog-pile myself. No need to take this stuff personally or hold grudges. I have done that in the past myself. It is just poisoning ourselves to do it.
Sometimes we can see Tommy's point and sometimes we can't (to put it mildly). But hey, no big deal. The world is full of opinions.
I actually think it is a pretty difficult thing to do to change one's mind these days. People will attack you for it on both sides. Tommy made himself somewhat vulnerable by admitting his change of heart, I can respect that and I feel no joy in going after him for it or even gloating about it.
Thanks Open,
You have a lot of class, appreciate your comments.
And Open,
Just to explain my opinion change on this, I was wrong originally. I jumped the gun in slamming Clinton, it was a knee-jerk reaction and it was unwarranted, and unreasonable. I am glad I had the opportunity in this thread to set the record straight. Hannity actually had little to do with it, I just jabbed at him to get my point out there. Thanks again for your fairness.
Clams, you know you do have a good point about Tommy changing his opinion after listening to someone. When I asked him one day where he gets his "news", it was mostly opinion blogs and the like. Even the liberal sites like "the Nation" where he said he goes (doubt it), are opinion based.
And it was only a few days ago when Tommy was accusing liberals of making emotion-based decisions as opposed to having true convictions based on core values. Yet here he is displaying the exact same faults that he accused others of possessing. This goes a long way toward explaining why he never concedes a point based on any intellectual truth or any pesky little fact that gets in his way. He doesn't acknowledge logic and reason because he's a contrarian who shifts his argument based on personal grudges and emotion-based whims.
All this might seem like ganging up on the village idiot, but it's a lesson in dealing with the conservative mind, which is something that actually carries some importance in the real world. Whether it's on a local, national, or international level, this sort of thinking combined with a certain degree of power can do considerable damage. Justin Frank wrote a fascinating psychological profile of Dubya, called Bush On The Couch. Well, we've got our own little case study on the mind of the right wing authoritarian. Tommy On The Couch. I find it just as interesting.
"I would never willingly give Tommy props"
I will try to pick up the pieces and get on with my life, nonetheless......(sniffle, sniffle)
"I know that everyone here is more polite and friendly than I am, and that most people here are trying to cultivate a buddy-buddy, we're-all-friends-at-the-end-of-the-day atmosphere,..."--CC
I went on and on about about this sort of thing one weekend about a month or two back. I couched my critique in anti-Right rhetoric. I didn't want to go after the tolerant Left also (obeying my own proposed model of social inhibition!). But in fact they are as much the problem as the charming Right with regards to the Rights' strength here.---IMO.
"He argued tooth and nail about this a day ago"
SeafoodSally,
If you couldn't lie you have a damn hard time defending yourself around me. Tooth and nail?, I offered my opinion and never force fed it to anyone, if people want to go back and read my posts they will see that for themselves.
You are a sad little boy. Watching you squirm your way around me is delicious, sort of like a marshmallow, all fluff and no substance.
MUAH!!!
And speaking of Tommy On The Couch, that last sentence you came up with there is packed with all sorts of disturbing Freudian imagery.
For my part, "tooth and nail" was a too strong a phrase. My point still stands. You threw out a bunch of vague b.s. about your "innate suspicion" and "reading between the lines," and when asked repeatedly to back it up with specific lines, you sought refuge in your "it's just my opinion" mantra. Then, with no explanation other than you don't want to hold the same position as Sean Hannity, you say you "take it back."
Now, after being accused of making emotional arguments, you want to claim that Hannity had little to do with it, and that you actually did think this through on an intellectual level. Tell me again who's squirming?
I am so glad you're back! What can I do to make sure you don't disappear again or take another long hiatus? Anything I can do to make your stay among us more pleasant and permanent, please let me know.
Nothing boosts my ego around here like you do, and for that Clams Casino, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Hannity and Colmes are one-note johnnies...uninteresting parrots. I don't fault mmfa for their continuing quest to correct them...but it won't work.
Hannity knows that all he has to do to retain his audience share is feed them red meat...they'll never see the rebuttals at mmfa.
Here is a drop dead funny link from Vanity Fair...they published a slideshow of Fox News castmembers...photoshopped...LMAO.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/07/photoshop-of-horrors-the-frightful-faces-of-fox-news.html
When did John McCain, or better yet, the Republican Party, copyright any reference, and reserve exclusibe rights, to the term POW? Are any and all references to POWs now going to be considered an affront to John McCain?
How many Americans can wrap their brains around the idea of being a political prisoner, and tormented by your captors, for 27 years. It's inconceivable. The closest thing Bill Clinton could analogize the experience to, in such a way that Americans could relate, was the experience of a POW. Hate to interject anything remotely related to psychiatry and offend our ignorant science-hating Republican brothers, but it would be a highly unusual circumstance if a person held POW for over 5 years did NOT suffer Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I am pretty sure John McCain was treated for PTSD. An element of PTSD is the recurrence of dreams or intrusive thoughts about the traumatic episode that precipitated the PTSD, even years later. This is not unusual...this is the norm. What Clinton was saying was that if this happens to a POW imagine what it was like for Mandela being held for 27 years! But, he added, Mandela's strength fought the demons and won.
But why would anyone expect Sean Hannity to exercise any integrity and honesty in reporting on this. He does this all the time and is beneath contempt. But the real slimeball here is Mitt Romney...he should know better. Romney has proven to be just as slimey as any of the worst truth-impaired right wingers. And this guy might be Vice-President?
When did John McCain, or better yet, the Republican Party, copyright any reference, and reserve exclusive rights, to the term POW? Are any and all references to POWs now going to be considered an affront to John McCain?
I heard McCain got really upset at an old episode of Batman because the word POW! appeared on the screen...
Amazing. Pathetic.
It's utterly amazing actually that they can take Clinton saying one thing about an ENTIRELY different person, and make it about McCain. I'm not shocked, but at least in the past when they took things out of context, said person was actually saying something about the person who Hannity and his chums were defending.
Yeah, Mandela now equals McCain, so that must mean we have 2 black men running for President?
There was an informative segment on Hannity and Colmes last night, with political analyst Michael Steele. In light of Obama's recent flip flops, Hannity keenly raised the issue of whether Obama lacks "core convictions, principles and beliefs". I've heard him stress this pressing issue before, that Obama "has no core values" and is without the "core principles" which one needs to be president.
ps- Hannity really had me reconsidering my support for Obama as he read his list of "flip-flops". These were mostly issues that had been portrayed dishonestly by the transcripts,audio and video I've seen as not really flip-flops, but I'm going to give Hannity the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some new information that was too "inside baseball" for him to have shared with his audience.
Check out Hannity's list...If you dare! If you make it to the flag lapel pin about-face, and still suport Iraq Islama (the Messiah, as everybody on the left calls him), then you're really drinking the Kool Aid, my friends.
A similar quote, source and accuracy unknown. "I have an idea!"
"Be gentle with it. Its in a strange place."
I think the flip-flop attack angle will work well for the Right Wing Media Smear Machine. After all, it's not like Democrats could turn that around on them, because John McCain has never flip-flopped on any political positions in his entire life, which is over 70 years. In fact, since he couldn't have flip-flopped before he was born, it would be fair to say that John McCain has never flip-flopped in the entire history of the Earth, or even all of eternity (or just under 6,000 years, depending on your interpretation of Genesis. The bottom line is, John McCain has never, ever flip-flopped on any policy position, ever... ever.
Anyone who says otherwise hates our troops, especially the POW's.
Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceanina has always been at war with Eurasia...
Don't forget about Freedonia and Sylvania:
Thomp.Steve, Since when do you think ANYONE on this site takes ANYTHING that hannity say seriously? You're a pretty funny guy.
The whole point of this thread is that hannity took something COMPLETLY out of context and tried to use it to make a completely bogus point. If Olberman took a speech by a grampy supporter about, say, Jimmy Carter and edited it to make it SOUND like he was talking about gramps, people would be all up in arms about it. Here's situation where Clinton was talking about NELSON MANDELA, and hannity tries to use it to make it look like he's attacking gramps. nothing could be further from the truth.
Don't forget that Romney was right there with him.
This is the very top of conservative intellect. This is all they have.
I agree, Steeve...read my post above.
I would have to assume that, intellectually, Mitt Romney is a helluva lot smarter than Sean Hannity. But apparently he is just as low when it comes to integrity...or even lower, considering that he should know better. And this guy could be Vice-President...yikes!
Don't forget that Romney was right there with him.
This is the very top of conservative intellect. This is all they have.
If Mitt Romney and Sean Hannity (and such "stellar" minds as POV and Columbus1492/Science101 here at MMFA) are representative of conservative intellect, things are looking better and better for us liberals. And for America.
Reminds me of a quote I have stored on my hard drive:
“A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake.” - Thomas Jefferson, 1787
I guess, of Barack Obama, his big experience, is that he's a community organizer, Governor. A community -- we keep hearing -- I don't even know what a community organizer -- what is a community organizer
This must be the new talking point. Coffee Joe Scarborough was ridiculing this the other day. I bet that none of these pundits have ever stepped foot into the "poor" side of town. Sounds elitist to me.
I bet that none of these pundits have ever stepped foot into the "poor" side of town.
They go to the poor side of town whenever they want some "mo-fo iced tea". :-)
I guess, of Barack Obama, his big experience, is that he's a community organizer, Governor. A community -- we keep hearing -- I don't even know what a community organizer -- what is a community organizer
This must be the new talking point. Coffee Joe Scarborough was ridiculing this the other day. I bet that none of these pundits have ever stepped foot into the "poor" side of town. Sounds elitist to me.
It IS the new talking point. It is making the rounds for sure. They seem to forget, that he also has experience as a US Senator, and a State level Congressman as well in Illinois. How soon they forget, how soon.
What did McCain do before he got elected to the Senate? Oh, I know, he was in the Navy.
That's hilarious. I just went onto Hannidate. I tried to "browse" profiles, but there's nobody registered within 100 miles of where I live.
Hannity's listeners are from another planet.
Maybe it's just me, but doesn't "Hannidate" sounds like a rebranded "Fleshlight"?
"John McCain has never, ever flip-flopped on any policy position, ever... ever."
I know, right?! As Laura Ingraham put it last week: I'm glad McCain is switching. That means conservatism is alive and well!
She's pretty much spot on. Waterboarding has always been a trademark of the true compassionate conservative. Setting up off-shore drilling to give the oil companies more oil and falsely claiming that it will help Americans is what Jesus taught in the Bible. He was all about helping those who have the means to help themselves.
Rush O'Hannity Conservatism -- ALIVE AND WELL!
I believe this might be a new low even for Hannity.
This was not some political stump speach, this was not even
a political speech, it had nothing to do with the current campaign.
Hannity's move is so shameful it is not even funny.
There is no segue to humor on this one and
Mr Romney deserves deep criticism for his comments.
Dang you MMFA for exposing this malicious gaff and ruining my day!
You might think I meant to write gaffe...but Hannity's comments were in no way
accidental>
from Apple's dictionary:
gaffe |gaf| noun an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder : an unforgivable social gaffe. ORIGIN early 20th cent.: from French, literally ‘boat hook’ (from Provençal gaf: see gaff 1 ), used colloquially to mean ‘blunder.’
gaff 2 noun rough treatment; criticism : if wages increase, perhaps we can stand the gaff. ORIGIN early 19th cent.(in the senses ‘outcry; nonsense’ and in the phrase blow the gaff ‘let out a secret’ ): of unknown origin.
I love built in computer dictionaries.