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Fox's Hannity again falsely suggested that Obama referred to "invading Pakistan"; Gingrich doesn't acknowledge he's advocated similar position

July 21, 2008 3:51 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In a discussion with Newt Gingrich on Fox News, Sean Hannity mischaracterized Sen. Barack Obama's comments about taking unilateral action against terrorism targets in Pakistan, if necessary, suggesting that Obama advocated "invading Pakistan." Rather, in an August 2007 speech, Obama said: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." Further, just two days earlier on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich himself spoke in favor of taking action against terrorists in Pakistan.

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On the July 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity mischaracterized Sen. Barack Obama's comments about taking unilateral action against terrorism targets in Pakistan, if necessary, suggesting that Obama advocated "invading Pakistan." As Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented in response to Hannity's previous misrepresentations of Obama's statement, Obama never said he would "invade[] Pakistan"; rather, in an August 2007 speech, Obama said: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." Further, neither Hannity nor Fox News commentator and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), who appeared on the program with Hannity, noted that just two days earlier on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich himself spoke in favor of taking action against terrorists in Pakistan, saying, "[W]e should make it clear to the Pakistanis that we're not going to tolerate the northwest frontier being a sanctuary for our enemies" and that "we'd prefer that they do the job, but if they're unwilling to do the job, then we're going to make sure it gets done."

In a July 15 foreign policy speech, Obama echoed his earlier statements, saying: "We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like [Osama] bin Laden if we have them in our sights."

During the July 16 program, Hannity asserted, "It seems that there's been a lot of Obama surrogates out there that have tried to use the word or imply that [Sen.] John McCain is too old to be president by saying he's 'confused.' Now we've had Barack Obama, obviously, the latest change in position has to do with Iraq." Later, Hannity said to Gingrich, referring to Obama: "Doesn't that kind of show us that if there's anybody confused in this race, it's the former community organizer who can't decide on dividing Jerusalem, invading Pakistan, or meeting with [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad without preconditions?" Gingrich responded: "Well, I think that -- he would actually be very well-served to not give very many off-the-cuff answers. I think that when he starts to give off-the-cuff answers, he very rapidly starts contradicting himself because he hasn't really thought some of these things through and he doesn't really understand the implication of some of these things."

From the July 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: It seems that there's been a lot of Obama surrogates out there that have tried to use the word or imply that John McCain is too old to be president by saying he's confused. Now we've had Barack Obama, obviously, the latest change in position has to do with Iraq.

And, you know, once he made the position that he'd be open when he talked to the generals on the ground, he was immediately attacked by the left, and then he went back to his original position -- position. Doesn't that kind of show us that if there's anybody confused in this race, it's the former community organizer who can't decide on dividing Jerusalem, invading Pakistan, or meeting with Ahmadinejad without preconditions?

GINGRICH: Well, I think that -- he would actually be very well served to not give very many off-the cuff-answers. I think that when he starts to give off-the cuff answers, he very rapidly starts contradicting himself because he hasn't really thought some of these things through and he doesn't really understand --

HANNITY: Well, let me ask you that.

GINGRICH: -- the implication of some of these things.

From the July 14 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

BILL O'REILLY (host): All right, now, look, Afghanistan very troubling. We went there last fall, as you may remember. And I told everybody then that this Pakistan, as long as Pakistan was out of control, and it remains out of control, that this was going to be a growing problem. Over the weekend, nine American soldiers dead, 15 injured in a big firefight because these guys came over from Pakistan where they're allowed to live, where they're allowed to train. They're allowed to do anything. The Pakistani government not doing anything about it. Big firefight and then they run back in. And we can't chase them back in. So how do you see this thing going down? What would you do if you were president?

GINGRICH: Well, I think first of all, we should make it clear to the Pakistanis that we're not going to tolerate the northwest frontier being a sanctuary for our enemies.

O'REILLY: But we've already done that.

GINGRICH: We have.

O'REILLY: We've already made it clear.

GINGRICH: All be -- well, no, no. I mean, I think I would start by saying that they should expect from here on out that there will be hot pursuit, that we will have Predators over their area, that we will, in fact, be prepared to kill any Taliban that we find. And that if they want to block that, then they've got to do it themselves.

O'REILLY: OK, so you would say right off the bat, we're going in because in this kind of a situation, you'd have to kill a village. These people attack out of the village, outside -- they were hiding in a mosque. They were -- you know, the usual Taliban Al Qaeda, put the kids and the women in front so you can't fire back. That's what they did. So you would tell them right off the bat, OK, we have a problem. You know the problem. Your army and intelligence isn't going to take care of it. We will. You'd say that to them?

GINGRICH: That's right. I think -- I think you have -- look, you either have to decide that you're prepared to lose to Afghanistan, which would be an absolute disaster. Or you are prepared to do what it takes to defeat the Taliban. And I think it's been a major mistake for the last seven years for us to tolerate a sanctuary in northwest Pakistan. I think that we have to put pressure on the Pakistanis. And we have to indicate that we're prepared to put lots of pressure on them. That we'd prefer that they do the job, but if they're unwilling to do the job, that we're going to make sure it gets done. And that would include training Afghan units to go in covertly and to operate across all of the northwest frontier.

O'REILLY: Would you cut the money off? We're sending those people in Pakistan?

GINGRICH: I would I -- would tell the Pakistanis that we will not only cut the money off, we will take other measures and that we -- if -- if we're going to -- if the question for us is winning in Afghanistan or having the Pakistanis like us, we have no choice except to win in Pak -- in Afghanistan.

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    • Author by wookie (July 21, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
         

      Doesn't this story line contradict the story line that Obama is a stealth Muslim who is weak on terror?

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      • Author by steeve (July 21, 2008 6:25 pm ET)
           
        The two talking points aren't inconsistent at all. Both are negative.
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    • Author by wesley (July 21, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
         

       -- and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will -- Obama

      This BS about Obama "attacking or invading" Pakistan is really getting tiresome. Hannity...and his band of like-minded cronies...have been off my conservative radar for a long time.

      I have reasons enough for not voting for Obama...without this horsecrap. Having taken the obligatory shot at Obama, I'm still in search of conservative leadership at the national level...and McCain's political pandering is not cutting it.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 21, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
           

        How about the absolute dishonesty of the Republican Party's official mouthpiece, FOX News...that doesn't bother you? I would stay home and drink bleach before I would ever vote for a Republican...

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        • Author by wesley (July 21, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
             

          What bothers me is the dishonesty of both national political parties and the dishonest members of the media that support those efforts.

          Now about that bleach gig...only brings to mind the Gumpism about stupidity...with my condolences.  

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          • Author by BottleBlonde (July 21, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
               
            Both political parties are not the same. The Republican Party has been a lot worse. Republican pundits are a lot worse.
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          • Author by JLyons (July 21, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
               

            What bothers me is the dishonesty of both national political parties and the dishonest members of the media that support those efforts

            Wesley the issue however is that Hanity is clearly spewing a McCain talking point which is a lie. Pure and simple. yes the two party system is bad, we have lots of problems but our choice is clear, lies from the GOP that continue to divide this country or a chance to change America.

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            • Author by wesley (July 21, 2008 5:34 pm ET)
                 

              I clearly stated my disgust with Hannity...etal...promoting the lie about Obama's statement on Pakistan.

              I didn't say the two party system is bad...you did. What I have are big problems with are the dishonest politicians and media on both sides. Your partisan hatred may keep you from a reasoned opinion...for proof one needs to look no further than Pelosi and Reid on the democrat side as evidence of dishonest politicians dividing the country.

              Dishonesty in our current political arena is rampant on both sides of the aisle. If you're interested in a partisan argument...find another dance partner. 

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              • Author by magnolialover (July 21, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
                   
                And what, specifically, have Pelosi and Reid done to divide the country? I ask for specific examples please... Because most of the legislation that they have been working on has been legislation that has been supported by a majority of Americans.
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                • Author by princeofwheels (July 21, 2008 6:29 pm ET)
                     
                  And those wonderful caring Republicans will and have promoted the filibuster or philibuster to destroy any programs the Dems wish to discuss. And then the Repubs demand that oil drilling be voted on or even discussed....Two-Faced Party..another Batman reference.
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              • Author by steeve (July 21, 2008 6:30 pm ET)
                   
                Go ahead and vote third party then. Better than McCain.

                If you cite our wimpiest and meekest leaders as examples of excessive partisanship, then you are too far gone to vote intelligently.

                (A hint just in case: all politicians are imperfect. Use that info while voting.)
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    • Author by watershed (July 21, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
         
      He was also committing adultery at the time he proclaimed "family values" and advocated impeaching Clinton, so this particular hypocrisy MMFA has highlighted is almost cute in comparison.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (July 21, 2008 4:30 pm ET)
         

      Political media hacks (Fox type) speculating on the Public Airwaves and from the seat of their pants, about U.S. National Security, and about what should be done if and when and under these possible circumstances, but if that should happen, and if that guy says this and does that, well then that's different!

      What is any of this worth.

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    • Author by magnolialover (July 21, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
         

      Funny thing is, if McCain were promoting the same position Obama was about Pakistan, the cons would be ALL about it. They would be saying how he understands the situation over there, and how he understands how to keep us secure, but of course, we get Obama talking tough about taking down terrorists in Pakistan, and all of a sudden, he is attacked by the right on this issue. Weird. I thought that Democrats were supposed to be weak on terrorists and all, and yet, we have Obama talking about basically going into another country and killing them, and the right seems scared of it. Why is that? Maybe because they don't really know who harbors the most terrorists. They just like to trot out the same old bad guy, Iran, and take shots at them. So it's OK to talk about bombing an entire country who has done nothing to us, or even made any real threats to us, but it's not OK to go in covertly, and get terrorists if we know where they are? It's like Bizzarro world for the republicans.

      The right wing talking heads are falling all over themselves to basically disagree with Obama on everything that he's saying, when in a case like this, they should be agreeing with him, based on past preferences for war, invasion, and or shooting bad guys.

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      • Author by deeznuts (July 21, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
           

        if McCain were promoting the same position Obama was about Pakistan, the cons would be ALL about it.

        True that.

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        • Author by magnolialover (July 21, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
             

          Or I should say, any right wing talking head / pundit / radio talk show host. I mean, these are the same guys who want to invade Iran, now. For no apparent reason. These were the same guys who wanted to invade Iraq, for no apparent reason. And now they're scared about maybe lobbing a bomb or 2 into Pakistan, and or sending in a covert team to take care of business because we might offend Pakistan's tender sensibilities (they supported, firmly, the Taliban right up until we invaded in 2001 by the way).

          Pakistan has the most overt support for AQ than any other country around the world. A lot of citizens of Pakistan revere OBL as a hero, and continue to do so. Pakistan is a radical Islamic country that actually HAS nuclear weapons. If we wanted to invade a country that had no business with 9/11, but was a lot closer to being radicalized, we should have invaded Pakistan at the onset. Pakistan is one small military coup away from being a radical Islamic country that already has nuclear weapons.

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          • Author by wookie (July 21, 2008 5:00 pm ET)
               

            >>Pakistan has the most overt support for AQ than any other country around the world. A lot of citizens of Pakistan revere OBL as a hero, and continue to do so. Pakistan is a radical Islamic country that actually HAS nuclear weapons.

            True, but they don't have oil.

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            • Author by magnolialover (July 21, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
                 
              Oh yeah, forgot about that missing the oil part of things.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 21, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
               
            That's exactly the truth - Republicans today are like schoolyard bullies.  They'll beat up on the little kids (as in countries with no nukes), but high-tail it when they are faced with an almost equally tough kid (Pakistan with nukes).  Basically, they are cowards.
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      • Author by RealTruthseeker (July 22, 2008 5:59 pm ET)
           

        I'm reading Barry Goldwater's 1988 autobiography.  Had it around for years, and have just been able to not get bored with it.

        I'm reading the chapter on Vietnam, when he raves about  allowing the Vietcong to continually escape over the borders of Laos and Cambodia, which were declared out-of-bounds by Johnson and McNamara.  Let alone what you think of that war, but this is exactly what the Bush Administration is allowing to happen in Afghanistan, and the kooky-cons are distorting and idiotically dissing this solid Obama policy statement.

        You're absolutely right.  And the interesting thing is that Goldwater would be lambasting these kooky-con jackasses like Hannity and Limbaugh if he were alive today. 

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    • Author by hujambobwana (July 21, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
         
      Despite the 'Fox News' logo at the bottom of the screen Hannity's interview with Gingrich is little more than a Republican propaganda show. First Hannity makes some vague innuendo's about O'bama changing positions about Iraq, but doesn't come out and say anything specific or make any real quotes. He's employing the same methods that Republican strategists successfully deployed against John Kerry with their portrayal depiction of 'flip flops' on policies. Hannity then goes on to belittle O'Bama as a 'former community organizer', inferring that he couldn't possibly be capable of comprehending international politics or military strategy.

      However, the whole line of questioning is more than just a series of character insults, it is really just a setup for Gingrich's response. Gingrich is quick with his sage comeback that O'Bama 'would be very well served to not give very many off the cuff answers'. In doing so Gingrich is taking on Karl Rove's strategy of attacking a candidate on their strong points by painting a distorted caricature of them. If anything O'Bama is noted for his highly articulate responses which puts him in marked contrast to former Republican president Ronald Reagan, and the current president, George Bush. Both Reagan and Bush's staff urged them to exert self-restraint because of their their tendency to answer questions with contradictory or flippant remarks.

      In the end, it is absurd to that any one would listen to Mr. Gingrich's advice to a political opponent and expect it to be anything other than self-serving. Mr. Gingrich would like nothing more than for O'Bama to keep his mouth shut on the issue of Iraq as he has suggested.

      The real question is, why is this 'News'?
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 21, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
         

      Trying to label Obama as a wild outta control foreign relations nimrod, would be my guess.

      This is a trying time for neocons. They're likely to say the darndest things. Though to the unititiated batsh*t crasy is batsh*t crasy.

      Sides Seans personally feeling good with a new eight figure contract. He's been rewarded for his efforts. The SS Hannity probably feels very secure of any threat from The Reef of Public Responsibilty.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (July 21, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
           

        The new talking point (at least the one I hear over and over from callers to c-span) is that McCain is a better candidate because he is "experienced". 

        Experienced?  At what?  Taking naps?  Yelling at his wife?  Forgetting that it's 2008?  Like the old saying goes, the only 2 professions which you become respectable by simply sticking around long enough are politics and prostitution.

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        • Author by magnolialover (July 21, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
             

          Don't forget, a lot of times people run on campaigns about being the "outsider" going to Washington DC, and how they can change things not having been there the longest. Seems as though this perception is standing this campaign on its head. Apparently, experience matters more now, rather than new ideas and fresh perspectives on things. I think Bush ran on being a Washington outsider didn't he? And now all of a sudden, it's chic to have been in the Senate for umpteen years to show how much you know, and or could do.

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        • Author by mikerhyner8202 (July 22, 2008 4:21 am ET)
             
          He can count 50 states not 57. He knows the term of office is 4 years not 8-10 years...just for starters.
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          • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2008 12:50 pm ET)
               
            He doesn't know where Pakistan and Iraq are apparently though. I'd say that's a little more important. And of course Obama knows that there are 50 states.
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            • Author by mikerhyner8202 (July 23, 2008 1:24 am ET)
                 
              Knowing where Pakistan and Iraq are [and of course he knows] is more important than knowing he can only serve two four year terms...not 10 years...like he stated?
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (July 21, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
         
      What else do you expect from  the FAR RIGHT WINGS  major blowhard, SHEER INSANNITY. He will do anything,lie ,cheat ,steal or whatever else is necessary to get McCain and other REPUBLICANS elected.
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    • Author by princeofwheels (July 21, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
         
      HANNITY is FREAKING NUTZ...He is ready to CRY because no one is caring about what he has to say. Seannie, chill out, find the broad you had the affair with back at the other radio station...OOPS, not supposed to talk like that. Sorry good buddy, nobody reads this stuff except Mikey, Billo, Rush and Louie Dobbs and any other liar in the world of broadcasting.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 21, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
         
      Magnolialover I've watched also the changing images used to get people elected,experience at times then outsider needed etc.  It seems to change at least for Republicans according to what they have.  Remember the times we had to cut social spending under Reagan because the deficit was such a bad thing, then it got stood on head and was no big problem for GB.  Wesley although I don't agree with on most issues has made a point concerning dishonesty in both political parties ruining this country.Case in point is the Dems capitulation in GB illegal wiretapping and FISA.  This administration is literally getting away with murder and torture and with the help of Nancy Pelosi,Jane Harman, J.Rockerfeller, and Steny Hoyer.  Here are some articles you might be interested in:www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/03/7434/ - 101k
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2008 12:52 pm ET)
           
        I don't doubt much of what you said. I have a distrust of politicians in general, but I've been lied to a lot more recently by republicans than democrats. There are some good ones out there, it's just that nobody really wants to listen to them. See Feingold as a good example.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 21, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
         
      sorry It only posted 1 article i thought i pasted several,still learning this computer thing, but Glenn Greenwald has written alot on this and I think you might be interested check out his columns on Salon.com
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 21, 2008 7:21 pm ET)
         
      Also remember the vote to confirm Att.Gen. Mukasey turned on the vote of 2 Democrats D. Fientstein and Chuck Shumer.  I'am hoping that a Democratic majority in both houses will and/or a Democratic President will at the very least help maintain  Roe v. Wade and the right to privacy, and other gains made in the last 60-70 yrs,Brown vs.Board of Education, etc.,.but we both know we got to hold them accountable...absolute power corrupts;absolutely! But for the last 60yrs. it has been the Democrats that have fought for the govt. to be on the peoples side.
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    • Author by ryanisforever9107 (July 21, 2008 8:50 pm ET)
         
      Being Newt Gingrich means never being consistent.
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    • Author by Romario (July 21, 2008 10:08 pm ET)
         
      MMFA...I love you guys, and you do great work, but you lost me at "Hannity..."
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 21, 2008 11:17 pm ET)
         
      Here is a good article if anyone interested:http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/15/10383/
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