Fox's Hannity again falsely suggested that Obama referred to "invading Pakistan"; Gingrich doesn't acknowledge he's advocated similar position
SUMMARY: In a discussion with Newt Gingrich on Fox News, Sean Hannity mischaracterized Sen. Barack Obama's comments about taking unilateral action against terrorism targets in Pakistan, if necessary, suggesting that Obama advocated "invading Pakistan." Rather, in an August 2007 speech, Obama said: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." Further, just two days earlier on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich himself spoke in favor of taking action against terrorists in Pakistan.
On the July 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity mischaracterized Sen. Barack Obama's comments about taking unilateral action against terrorism targets in Pakistan, if necessary, suggesting that Obama advocated "invading Pakistan." As Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented in response to Hannity's previous misrepresentations of Obama's statement, Obama never said he would "invade[] Pakistan"; rather, in an August 2007 speech, Obama said: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." Further, neither Hannity nor Fox News commentator and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), who appeared on the program with Hannity, noted that just two days earlier on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich himself spoke in favor of taking action against terrorists in Pakistan, saying, "[W]e should make it clear to the Pakistanis that we're not going to tolerate the northwest frontier being a sanctuary for our enemies" and that "we'd prefer that they do the job, but if they're unwilling to do the job, then we're going to make sure it gets done."
In a July 15 foreign policy speech, Obama echoed his earlier statements, saying: "We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like [Osama] bin Laden if we have them in our sights."
During the July 16 program, Hannity asserted, "It seems that there's been a lot of Obama surrogates out there that have tried to use the word or imply that [Sen.] John McCain is too old to be president by saying he's 'confused.' Now we've had Barack Obama, obviously, the latest change in position has to do with Iraq." Later, Hannity said to Gingrich, referring to Obama: "Doesn't that kind of show us that if there's anybody confused in this race, it's the former community organizer who can't decide on dividing Jerusalem, invading Pakistan, or meeting with [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad without preconditions?" Gingrich responded: "Well, I think that -- he would actually be very well-served to not give very many off-the-cuff answers. I think that when he starts to give off-the-cuff answers, he very rapidly starts contradicting himself because he hasn't really thought some of these things through and he doesn't really understand the implication of some of these things."
From the July 16 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: It seems that there's been a lot of Obama surrogates out there that have tried to use the word or imply that John McCain is too old to be president by saying he's confused. Now we've had Barack Obama, obviously, the latest change in position has to do with Iraq.
And, you know, once he made the position that he'd be open when he talked to the generals on the ground, he was immediately attacked by the left, and then he went back to his original position -- position. Doesn't that kind of show us that if there's anybody confused in this race, it's the former community organizer who can't decide on dividing Jerusalem, invading Pakistan, or meeting with Ahmadinejad without preconditions?
GINGRICH: Well, I think that -- he would actually be very well served to not give very many off-the cuff-answers. I think that when he starts to give off-the cuff answers, he very rapidly starts contradicting himself because he hasn't really thought some of these things through and he doesn't really understand --
HANNITY: Well, let me ask you that.
GINGRICH: -- the implication of some of these things.
From the July 14 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
BILL O'REILLY (host): All right, now, look, Afghanistan very troubling. We went there last fall, as you may remember. And I told everybody then that this Pakistan, as long as Pakistan was out of control, and it remains out of control, that this was going to be a growing problem. Over the weekend, nine American soldiers dead, 15 injured in a big firefight because these guys came over from Pakistan where they're allowed to live, where they're allowed to train. They're allowed to do anything. The Pakistani government not doing anything about it. Big firefight and then they run back in. And we can't chase them back in. So how do you see this thing going down? What would you do if you were president?
GINGRICH: Well, I think first of all, we should make it clear to the Pakistanis that we're not going to tolerate the northwest frontier being a sanctuary for our enemies.
O'REILLY: But we've already done that.
GINGRICH: We have.
O'REILLY: We've already made it clear.
GINGRICH: All be -- well, no, no. I mean, I think I would start by saying that they should expect from here on out that there will be hot pursuit, that we will have Predators over their area, that we will, in fact, be prepared to kill any Taliban that we find. And that if they want to block that, then they've got to do it themselves.
O'REILLY: OK, so you would say right off the bat, we're going in because in this kind of a situation, you'd have to kill a village. These people attack out of the village, outside -- they were hiding in a mosque. They were -- you know, the usual Taliban Al Qaeda, put the kids and the women in front so you can't fire back. That's what they did. So you would tell them right off the bat, OK, we have a problem. You know the problem. Your army and intelligence isn't going to take care of it. We will. You'd say that to them?
GINGRICH: That's right. I think -- I think you have -- look, you either have to decide that you're prepared to lose to Afghanistan, which would be an absolute disaster. Or you are prepared to do what it takes to defeat the Taliban. And I think it's been a major mistake for the last seven years for us to tolerate a sanctuary in northwest Pakistan. I think that we have to put pressure on the Pakistanis. And we have to indicate that we're prepared to put lots of pressure on them. That we'd prefer that they do the job, but if they're unwilling to do the job, that we're going to make sure it gets done. And that would include training Afghan units to go in covertly and to operate across all of the northwest frontier.
O'REILLY: Would you cut the money off? We're sending those people in Pakistan?
GINGRICH: I would I -- would tell the Pakistanis that we will not only cut the money off, we will take other measures and that we -- if -- if we're going to -- if the question for us is winning in Afghanistan or having the Pakistanis like us, we have no choice except to win in Pak -- in Afghanistan.















Doesn't this story line contradict the story line that Obama is a stealth Muslim who is weak on terror?
-- and President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will -- Obama
This BS about Obama "attacking or invading" Pakistan is really getting tiresome. Hannity...and his band of like-minded cronies...have been off my conservative radar for a long time.
I have reasons enough for not voting for Obama...without this horsecrap. Having taken the obligatory shot at Obama, I'm still in search of conservative leadership at the national level...and McCain's political pandering is not cutting it.
How about the absolute dishonesty of the Republican Party's official mouthpiece, FOX News...that doesn't bother you? I would stay home and drink bleach before I would ever vote for a Republican...
What bothers me is the dishonesty of both national political parties and the dishonest members of the media that support those efforts.
Now about that bleach gig...only brings to mind the Gumpism about stupidity...with my condolences.
What bothers me is the dishonesty of both national political parties and the dishonest members of the media that support those efforts
Wesley the issue however is that Hanity is clearly spewing a McCain talking point which is a lie. Pure and simple. yes the two party system is bad, we have lots of problems but our choice is clear, lies from the GOP that continue to divide this country or a chance to change America.
I clearly stated my disgust with Hannity...etal...promoting the lie about Obama's statement on Pakistan.
I didn't say the two party system is bad...you did. What I have are big problems with are the dishonest politicians and media on both sides. Your partisan hatred may keep you from a reasoned opinion...for proof one needs to look no further than Pelosi and Reid on the democrat side as evidence of dishonest politicians dividing the country.
Dishonesty in our current political arena is rampant on both sides of the aisle. If you're interested in a partisan argument...find another dance partner.
If you cite our wimpiest and meekest leaders as examples of excessive partisanship, then you are too far gone to vote intelligently.
(A hint just in case: all politicians are imperfect. Use that info while voting.)
Political media hacks (Fox type) speculating on the Public Airwaves and from the seat of their pants, about U.S. National Security, and about what should be done if and when and under these possible circumstances, but if that should happen, and if that guy says this and does that, well then that's different!
What is any of this worth.
Funny thing is, if McCain were promoting the same position Obama was about Pakistan, the cons would be ALL about it. They would be saying how he understands the situation over there, and how he understands how to keep us secure, but of course, we get Obama talking tough about taking down terrorists in Pakistan, and all of a sudden, he is attacked by the right on this issue. Weird. I thought that Democrats were supposed to be weak on terrorists and all, and yet, we have Obama talking about basically going into another country and killing them, and the right seems scared of it. Why is that? Maybe because they don't really know who harbors the most terrorists. They just like to trot out the same old bad guy, Iran, and take shots at them. So it's OK to talk about bombing an entire country who has done nothing to us, or even made any real threats to us, but it's not OK to go in covertly, and get terrorists if we know where they are? It's like Bizzarro world for the republicans.
The right wing talking heads are falling all over themselves to basically disagree with Obama on everything that he's saying, when in a case like this, they should be agreeing with him, based on past preferences for war, invasion, and or shooting bad guys.
if McCain were promoting the same position Obama was about Pakistan, the cons would be ALL about it.
True that.
Or I should say, any right wing talking head / pundit / radio talk show host. I mean, these are the same guys who want to invade Iran, now. For no apparent reason. These were the same guys who wanted to invade Iraq, for no apparent reason. And now they're scared about maybe lobbing a bomb or 2 into Pakistan, and or sending in a covert team to take care of business because we might offend Pakistan's tender sensibilities (they supported, firmly, the Taliban right up until we invaded in 2001 by the way).
Pakistan has the most overt support for AQ than any other country around the world. A lot of citizens of Pakistan revere OBL as a hero, and continue to do so. Pakistan is a radical Islamic country that actually HAS nuclear weapons. If we wanted to invade a country that had no business with 9/11, but was a lot closer to being radicalized, we should have invaded Pakistan at the onset. Pakistan is one small military coup away from being a radical Islamic country that already has nuclear weapons.
>>Pakistan has the most overt support for AQ than any other country around the world. A lot of citizens of Pakistan revere OBL as a hero, and continue to do so. Pakistan is a radical Islamic country that actually HAS nuclear weapons.
True, but they don't have oil.
I'm reading Barry Goldwater's 1988 autobiography. Had it around for years, and have just been able to not get bored with it.
I'm reading the chapter on Vietnam, when he raves about allowing the Vietcong to continually escape over the borders of Laos and Cambodia, which were declared out-of-bounds by Johnson and McNamara. Let alone what you think of that war, but this is exactly what the Bush Administration is allowing to happen in Afghanistan, and the kooky-cons are distorting and idiotically dissing this solid Obama policy statement.
You're absolutely right. And the interesting thing is that Goldwater would be lambasting these kooky-con jackasses like Hannity and Limbaugh if he were alive today.
However, the whole line of questioning is more than just a series of character insults, it is really just a setup for Gingrich's response. Gingrich is quick with his sage comeback that O'Bama 'would be very well served to not give very many off the cuff answers'. In doing so Gingrich is taking on Karl Rove's strategy of attacking a candidate on their strong points by painting a distorted caricature of them. If anything O'Bama is noted for his highly articulate responses which puts him in marked contrast to former Republican president Ronald Reagan, and the current president, George Bush. Both Reagan and Bush's staff urged them to exert self-restraint because of their their tendency to answer questions with contradictory or flippant remarks.
In the end, it is absurd to that any one would listen to Mr. Gingrich's advice to a political opponent and expect it to be anything other than self-serving. Mr. Gingrich would like nothing more than for O'Bama to keep his mouth shut on the issue of Iraq as he has suggested.
The real question is, why is this 'News'?
Trying to label Obama as a wild outta control foreign relations nimrod, would be my guess.
This is a trying time for neocons. They're likely to say the darndest things. Though to the unititiated batsh*t crasy is batsh*t crasy.
Sides Seans personally feeling good with a new eight figure contract. He's been rewarded for his efforts. The SS Hannity probably feels very secure of any threat from The Reef of Public Responsibilty.
The new talking point (at least the one I hear over and over from callers to c-span) is that McCain is a better candidate because he is "experienced".
Experienced? At what? Taking naps? Yelling at his wife? Forgetting that it's 2008? Like the old saying goes, the only 2 professions which you become respectable by simply sticking around long enough are politics and prostitution.
Don't forget, a lot of times people run on campaigns about being the "outsider" going to Washington DC, and how they can change things not having been there the longest. Seems as though this perception is standing this campaign on its head. Apparently, experience matters more now, rather than new ideas and fresh perspectives on things. I think Bush ran on being a Washington outsider didn't he? And now all of a sudden, it's chic to have been in the Senate for umpteen years to show how much you know, and or could do.