CBS splices McCain interview clip, expunging his false claim on surge timeline and falsely suggesting he gave different answer
SUMMARY: On the CBS Evening News, anchor Katie Couric aired portions of an interview she conducted with Sen. John McCain, removing a part of a response in which he falsely asserted that the 2007 U.S. troop surge "began the Anbar awakening." Couric gave no indication that McCain's comments had been edited in any manner, nor did she otherwise note his falsehood.
On the July 22 edition of the CBS Evening News, while airing portions of an interview she conducted that day with Sen. John McCain, anchor Katie Couric removed a part of his response in which he falsely asserted that the 2007 U.S. troop surge "began the Anbar awakening." In fact, the so-called Anbar awakening reportedly began in September 2006, months before the surge was even announced. Couric had asked McCain, "Senator [Barack] Obama says while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shia government going after militias, and says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?" But rather than airing McCain's direct reply, including the false claim that the surge "began the Anbar awakening" -- an agreement by some tribal leaders in western Iraq to accept U.S. aid and cooperate with anti-Al Qaeda operations -- Couric aired comments by McCain spliced together from three separate statements he gave during the interview, one of which responded to a different question. Couric gave no indication that these comments had been edited in any manner, nor did she otherwise note McCain's falsehood.
Keith Olbermann reported on the spliced McCain response on the July 22 edition of MSNBC's Countdown.
During McCain's full response to Couric's question, he called Obama's statements a "false depiction of what actually happened," and said: "Colonel [Sean B.] MacFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that's just a matter of history." According to video and transcript of the full interview posted on the CBS News website, Couric did not challenge McCain's false statement that the surge "began the Anbar awakening."
On the Evening News, Couric aired the following exchange between herself and McCain:
COURIC: Senator McCain, Senator Obama says while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shia government going after militias, and says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?
McCAIN: Senator Obama has indicated by his failure to acknowledge the success of the surge, that he would rather lose a war than lose a campaign. Thanks to General [David] Petraeus [commanding general of the Multi-National Force in Iraq], our leadership, and the sacrifice of brave young Americans. I mean, to deny that their sacrifice didn't make possible the success of the surge in Iraq, I think, does a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed. There will still be attacks. Al Qaeda's not defeated. But the progress has been immense. And to not recognize that, and why it happened, and how it happened, I think is -- is really quite a commentary.
But as the video and transcript of the interview posted on CBSNews.com demonstrate, the statement Couric aired as McCain's purported response to her question was in fact compiled from three different statements he made during the interview, one of which came in response to a different question. From Couric's interview with McCain (portions aired as McCain's response to Couric's question bolded):
COURIC: Senator McCain, Prime Minister Maliki and Senator Obama seem to be on the same page when it comes to a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops by 2010. Are you feeling like the odd man out here?
McCAIN: Prime Minister [Nouri al-]Maliki, and General Petraeus, and Admiral [Mike] Mullen and -- and the other leaders of Iraq have all agreed that it's conditioned-based. Senator Obama said the surge would fail. He said that it couldn't succeed. He was wrong. He said he still doesn't agree that the surge has succeeded when everybody knows that it has succeeded. I said at the time that I supported the surge, that I would much rather lose a campaign than lose a war. Senator Obama has indicated by his failure to acknowledge the success of the surge, that he would rather lose a war than lose a campaign.
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COURIC: Senator McCain, Sen. Obama says, while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shia government going after militias, and says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?
McCAIN: I don't know how you respond to something that is a -- such -- such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel MacFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge, we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that's just a matter of history. Thanks to General Petraeus, our leadership, and the sacrifice of brave young Americans. I mean, to deny that their sacrifice didn't make possible the success of the surge in Iraq, I think, does a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed.
They were out there. They were protecting these sheiks. We had the Anbar awakening. We now have a government that's effective. We have a legal system that's working, although poorly. And we have progress on all fronts, including an incredible measure of security for the people of Iraq. There will still be attacks. Al Qaeda's not defeated. But the progress has been immense. And to not recognize that, and why it happened, and how it happened, I think is -- is really quite a commentary.
Contrary to McCain's assertion, the so-called Anbar awakening reportedly began in September 2006, months before the surge was even announced. Indeed, as blogger Jed Lewison noted, in the March-April 2008 issue of Military Review, MacFarland -- who McCain said "was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks" -- and Maj. Niel Smith wrote: "The 'Anbar Awakening' of Sunni tribal leaders and their supporters that began in September 2006 near Ramadi seemed to come out of nowhere." Further, as blogger Spencer Ackerman pointed out, in a September 29, 2006, news briefing, MacFarland responded to a question by then-United Press International reporter Pam Hess by describing the early signs of the awakening. MacFarland stated:
MacFARLAND: With respect to the violence between the Sunnis and the al Qaeda -- actually, I would disagree with the assessment that the al Qaeda have the upper hand. That was true earlier this year when some of the sheikhs began to step forward and some of the insurgent groups began to fight against al Qaeda. The insurgent groups, the nationalist groups, were pretty well beaten by al Qaeda.
This is a different phenomena that's going on right now. I think that it's not so much the insurgent groups that are fighting al Qaeda, it's the -- well, it used to be the fence-sitters, the tribal leaders, are stepping forward and cooperating with the Iraqi security forces against al Qaeda, and it's had a very different result. I think al Qaeda has been pushed up against the ropes by this, and now they're finding themselves trapped between the coalition and ISF on the one side, and the people on the other.
President Bush announced the surge on January 10, 2007, asserting in an address that he had "committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq."
An April 29, 2007, New York Times article reported:
The turnabout began last September, when a federation of tribes in the Ramadi area came together as the Anbar Salvation Council to oppose the fundamentalist militants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.
Among the council's founders were members of the Abu Ali Jassem tribe, based in a rural area of northern Ramadi. The tribe's leader, Sheik Tahir Sabbar Badawie, said in a recent interview that members of his tribe had fought in the insurgency that kept the Americans pinned down on their bases in Anbar for most of the last four years.
"If your country was occupied by Iraq, would you fight?" he asked. "Enough said."
But while the anti-American sheiks in Anbar and Al Qaeda both opposed the Americans, their goals were different. The sheiks were part of a relatively moderate front that sought to drive the Americans out of Iraq; some were also fighting to restore Sunni Arab power. But Al Qaeda wanted to go even further and impose a fundamentalist Islamic state in Anbar, a plan that many of the sheiks did not share.
Al Qaeda's fighters began to use killing, intimidation and financial coercion to divide the tribes and win support for their agenda. They killed about 210 people in the Abu Ali Jassem tribe alone and kidnapped others, demanding ransoms as high as $65,000 per person, Sheik Badawie said.
For all the sheiks' hostility toward the Americans, they realized that they had a bigger enemy, or at least one that needed to be fought first, as a matter of survival.
The council sought financial and military support from the Iraqi and American governments. In return the sheiks volunteered hundreds of tribesmen for duty as police officers and agreed to allow the construction of joint American-Iraqi police and military outposts throughout their tribal territories.
A similar dynamic is playing out elsewhere in Anbar, a desert region the size of New York State that stretches west of Baghdad to the Syrian and Jordanian borders. Tribal cooperation with the American and Iraqi commands has led to expanded police forces in the cities of Husayba, Hit, Rutba, Baghdadi and Falluja, officials say.
With the help of the Anbar sheiks, the military equation immediately became simpler for the Americans in Ramadi. The number of enemies they faced suddenly diminished, American and Iraqi officials said. They were able to move more freely through large areas. With the addition of the tribal recruits, the Americans had enough troops to build and operate garrisons in areas they cleared, many of which had never seen any government security presence before.
Similarly, a September 9, 2007, McClatchy Newspapers article reported:
No one disputes that Anbar province, once the heart of the Sunni insurgency, is far more secure now than it was this time last year. But what credit American troops can claim for that and how likely it is to remain that way are hotly debated.
The tribal rebellion against al Qaida in Iraq began in September 2006, well before the surge was even contemplated. That's when tribal leaders, fed up with al Qaida in Iraq's attacks on moderate Sunnis and its efforts to impose strict Islamic fundamentalism, formed the Anbar Salvation Council to battle the group.
Tribal sheik Fassal Gaoud, a former Anbar governor, told McClatchy Newspapers in June that the tribes previously had asked for U.S. help in attacking the group, but had been rebuffed. By the time U.S. troops began working with the tribes, the battle against al Qaida was well under way. Gaoud, however, was killed in a bombing at the Mansour Melia hotel in central Baghdad in July in the midst of the U.S. surge.















So now we know - "CBS" stands for "Conservative Bull S**t".
:-)
The "C" is for Couric-Gate...
Because Katie is the SMFIC for The Big Eye's news shop, I'm waiting for the right-o-sphere to explode with outrage over her Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V editing of this story.
Still waiting....
Near the end of the program, they read an e-mail that stated that they were just taking pot shots at Obama. Which prompted the host to ask his panel if that was true (whom he told the listeners included real smart foiks with phds) Sort of like asking the robbers if they thought their sentence was fair...
http://worldhaveyoursay.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/is-barack-obama-beyond-criticism/
“WHAT SENATOR OBAMA REFUSES TO ADMIT IS THAT THE SURGE WON WORLD WAR II, THE COLD WAR, AND THE BATTLE AGAINST THE HEARTBREAK OF PSORIASIS.”
"I'm proud that I was right! I'm proud that we could defeat this evil!"
-McCain, July 21, 2008
JLYONS,
Now that really is a talent!
that's not how the news is supposed to be.
McCain's "base" has to help him along. Left to his own devices and without his media guide dogs, he would not have made it this far.
McCain's "base" has to help him along.
Don't know how much help his "base" will be:
I'm thinking Del Webb has too much political influence this election cycle.
<img src="http://www.windermeresurprise.com/images/Sun_City_Grand.JPG">
(same picture, different angle)
I'm thinking Del Webb has too much political influence this election cycle.
THAT picture is why I don't live in Del Webb or Sun City.
WHO in their right mind would want to be surrounded by old people all day!
I know what you mean. I feel much younger surrounded by legal prostitutes, liquor and gambling!
AMEN!
Funny, if I cut and paste that post under my own name, but replace the word "old" with the word "black," the next three pages of posts will be written by people accusing me of being a racist.
Let's review, shall we?
Sexism: Fine
Ageism: Fine
Racism: EVIL! WRONG!
Take your pick, dude.
Pearlene can speak to any of those you'd care to discuss. The education might do you good.
do you disagree with my comment, "dude?"
Now I remember why I gave up on this site months ago. Pearlene makes an obviously bigoted remark about old people, but that's JUST FINE because...um, well, just because, I guess.
Read your "response" again- it wasn't a response at all. You didn't even try.
Why is hate ok in one instance, but not in the other? Because it's Pearlene posting it? That's no answer.
Pearlene makes an obviously bigoted remark about old people, but that's JUST FINE because...um, well, just because, I guess.
LOL
JJ, I live in Las Vegas, not too far from Del Webb, I'm 73, will be 74 next month, African American and female. Since I've experienced sexism, ageism AND racism I think I can speak on all three subjects AND one of the perks of being old is you get to talk about other old people. :-p
Hey Pearlene, I'm only an aspiring old person, but JJamelle's post made me consider some of my remarks(BTW, JJ, always enjoyed your posts, & hope you haven't completely given up on this site). I'm not a crazed "hateful ageist" in the mold of Worrierking*, but I have made plenty of comments about Grampy McCain's experience on the planet.
Am I just as bad as those righty radio talkers who make racist remarks then cover it up with "just joking"? I guess that's a matter of opinion. Somebody else made the distinction that we'll all be old someday. I've also heard it said that the elderly are the only marginalized minority group that all of us hope to join someday, and only get to join if we're lucky.
I also don't think it's reasonable to compare jokes about old people with other types.I don't know of anybody who doesn't love at least a couple of old people.In fact, most of us have moms & dads or grandmas & grandpas, and they're usually bagging on the oldsters as much as anybody.
I thiink it was Mary59 who made the point that most of the "old" jokes aren't so much about age as a way of thinking. In that case, Pearlene, maybe you shouldn't be given a pass, as I'm pretty sure you could kick ass on a lot of 20-somethings I know.
*documented fact
Of Course, WZWRITER, when that same BASE is needed to get the Leftists you love elected, those of your detestable ilk scare them about the Republicans taking away their Social Security checks. Just like the Marxists always said, there are plenty of "useful idiots" to be taken advantage of.
The conservatives on here are stupider than usual today. It's painful to read.
Stop scaring the old people with your bankruptcy lies. And don't forget which party had never even heard of the word "terrorism" for all the long months before the biggest national security embarrassment in our country's history.
Hey moron: Social Security IS going bankrupt. It needs reform. Idiots like you are content to sit-and-do nothing. Similar to your policy when terrorists attack this country.
Hey, moron. Put.down.the.mirror.
Social Security is not going bankrupt.
It may need a minor tweak to continue to pay full benefits. If the economy does okay over the next 3 decades it probably won't need anything at all.
Idiots like Bush wanted to provide a 'solution' that didn't fix anything at all about its long-term solvency. It's not an urgent crisis. Medicare is an urgent crisis but doesn't have the trust fund monies to privatize, so no Republican even mentions it. If they were truly interested in fixing Social Security, they'd be even more interested in fixing Medicare, and they haven't done diddly-squat. That is the best evidence there can be that a 'solution' to Social Security's long-term financing was not the aim of the Republicans.
When terrorists actually attacked our country in the mid-90's, Clinton went after them. When terrorists were planning to attack our country for Y2K, Clinton went after them. When terrorists attacked the USS Cole, Clinton's administration worked for 2 months to identify the culprits, and handed that info off to Bush. Clinton was willing to give Bush the kudos for catching the guys who did that dirty deed, and Bush was too incompetent to go after them even when he was handed the info on a silver platter! Then, even when he was getting 'hair on fire' warnings, Bush failed to react appropriately.
Full of crap as usual with your 'points', NLT.
A "minor tweak" is understating the problem. If SS only needed a "minor tweak" then it would be done and it wouldn't even be a problem.
Cutting benefits by 20% is obviously not tenable to recipients, so when people say the program could function just fine with a 20% cut in payouts that really means nothing.
Increasing SS taxes paid into the system. for example by eliminating the cap, will extend the timeline until insolvency, but it does not extend the timeline forever.
So, I'm sure politicians from both sides of the aisle would love to hear what the "minor tweak" is that will fix the system forever. I'm not aware of what it is.
Come on Bruce, you're not that naive. You know why SS has not yet been tweaked. It's because the Republicans want to milk this fake crisis for their own benefit (making obscene amounts of money for their money manager constituency) just like they do with every crisis, i.e. terrorism, immigration, etc. They refuse to make any fixes so that they can try to rile up the idiots and push through a privatization scheme that will not only not fix the problem, but will make it far worse. That pretty much sums up how they run the government overall, hence the sorry shape of it right now.
As for raising the cap to cover through insolvency, that will solve the problem for the foreseeable future, since there are no upcoming generations that are out of balance like the baby boomers were.
I don't agree, but it would depend on your definition of a "minor tweak". Any definition that would work certainly isn't a "minor tweak".
And your "any time in the next 20 years" comment is pretty cavalier, considering each year we don't act adds 550 billion to the problem.
Great, another "Stupid Senile Half-Dead Old people are for McCain" post. Can't get enough of those.
Last time I checked, they were Americans, just like you. They vote, unlike a lot of people in other age groups (and especially the 18-30 group.)
And they deserve better than your pathetic snarking.
Those people will be you someday, idiot.
All I see is a generic photo of seniors. I don't even see any indication that these particular seniors support McCain.
The message of the photo is obvious: "Haha look at these practically dead old farts, that's McCain's base, hahaha!"
Be honest- I post a photo of a bunch of black kids on a basketball court and call it "Obama's base," and how do you respond?
All people grow old. Ageism is not on par with racism.
...at least this certainly has the appearance of McCain favoritism
The "mainstream" media ignored Bush's _constant_ gaffes for the last decade.
McCain is getting the same special treatment, Olbermann notwithstanding
Yet no one's talking about it. The blogs are mentioning it, but it's not really drawing many comments, and of the MSM isn't touching it.
Is it just a case of the media living up to its ruined reputation?
That probably is the case, Arch.
But fear not. I'm sure that those media-bias watchdogs linnety and hambaugh will be all over this faux pas like stink on rice, and hold CBS accountable for such blatant liberal propaganda.
Olbermann made mention of it...
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/olbermann_questions_cbs_over_unaired_mccain_gaffe__89954.asp?c=rss
And GOP-Viacom-CBS is owned by Sumner Redstone, and Sumner Redstone is a right wing corporatist conservative Republican fascist.
Republican Redstone wanted Liar Bush re-elected in 2004.
Note to the CBS technical crew:
If you want Katie's eyes to sparkle on camera, aim a fill light directly at the back of her head.
It was never proven to be a phony document, either. A typewriter expert presented a document he produced on a Selectric typewriter of the exact type used in the office that did the document Rather used, and the expert showed proportional spacing, superscripts and subscripts, and even printed fractions exactly like the ones in the document Rather used. As usual, the ones screaming the loudest (The Swift Boat Secretaries for Truth) had no clue what they were saying.
Also the content of the document was never challenged. George W. Bush went AWOL during wartime, which is a treasonable offense without a statute of limitations.
Brucelace, Okay, I'll play. I think OJ was guilty even though found not guilty. Also, Bush is just plain guilty. Why don't the Bush lovers call for and investigation to prove that this deserter isn't guilty? It may be a good idea because then he can pardon himself. If you guys wait until the Dems control everything, the sheep in the Republican Party will not have enough money to donate to every "defense fund".
My question to you is...What about what Katie did? She actually committed "journalistic perjury" and should be fired. Agree or not.
Despite the bungled criminal prosecution of OJ Simpson a subsequent jury of his peers, in the related civil case, concluded, by a preponderance of the evidence, that OJ did, in fact, kill Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.
The BBC and their reporter, Greg Palast, reported the same story about Bush's AWOL from Alabama, and neither Palast nor BBC have retracted the story.
The lying right wing has nothing to say about that, other than Liar Sean Hannity calling Palast a putz. Greg, consider the source of that insult, namely Liar Sean Hannity.
Make no mistake about it , Katie Couric is nothing more then a Council on Foreign Relations LApdog AND MOUTH PIECE propagandist . Not only did they lie by omission by their editing , the conveniently juxtaposed a picture of Petraus and McCain , exactly when he said the word petraus and added images of out heroic troops marching , classic images of propaganda by Couric and CBS .
It's the SAME reason why she has on Council On Foreign Relations pres. Richard Haass , criticizing Obama and what he has to do because he's " walking a tightrope , what all the channels have been repeating over and over. This Haass clown ( hater of democracy and sovereignty), has written on the CFR own web site (ck it out for yourself), the U.S. should " cede some sovereignty in order for out economy to prosper " .And other countries as well" need to cede sovereignty " . Couric will never challenge Haas on that one !
these people are DANGEROUS .
"Make no mistake about it , Katie Couric is nothing more then a Council on Foreign Relations Lapdog AND MOUTH PIECE propagandist . Not only did they lie by omission by their editing , the conveniently juxtaposed a picture of Petraus and McCain , exactly when he said the word petraus and added images of out heroic troops marching , classic images of propaganda by Couric and CBS."
Couric is more than a lapdog, Katie Couric is a right wing Republican hate hag. She and her corporatist conservative Republican boss, Sumner Redstone, are likely behind this whitewashing of Liar McCain's lies.
Rats. THAT didn't work.
(same picture of McCain's base - different angle)
So, in September 2006, Iraq was starting to turn around, without needing our help, and this was common knowledge? Here's what one Senator Barack Obama said about Iraq in November 2006:
"Month after month, and then year after year, I’ve watched with a heavy heart as my deepest suspicions about this war’s conception have been confirmed and exacerbated in its disastrous implementation. No matter how bad it gets, we are told to wait, and not ask questions. We have been assured that the insurgency is in its last throes. We have been told that progress is just around the corner, and that when the Iraqis stand up, we will be able to stand down. Last week, without a trace of irony, the President even chose Vietnam as the backdrop for remarks counseling “patience” with his policies in Iraq...
"According to our own Pentagon, the situation on the ground is now pointing towards chaos. Sectarian violence has reached an all-time high, and 365,000 Iraqis have fled their homes since the bombing of a Shia mosque in Samarra last February. 300,000 Iraqi security forces have supposedly been recruited and trained over the last two years, and yet American troop levels have not been reduced by a single soldier. The addition of 4,000 American troops in Baghdad has not succeeded in securing that increasingly perilous city. And polls show that almost two-thirds of all Iraqis now sympathize with attacks on American soldiers...
"This is now the reality of Iraq."
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/061120-a_way_forward_i/
Nothing about the Anbar Awakening, huh? If it was so well known that the tide was turning in September, why didn't Obama factor it into his "way forward in Iraq"?
"And, while some have proposed escalating this war by adding thousands of more troops, there is little reason to believe that this will achieve these results either. It’s not clear that these troop levels are sustainable for a significant period of time, and according to our commanders on the ground, adding American forces will only relieve the Iraqis from doing more on their own. Moreover, without a coherent strategy or better cooperation from the Iraqis, we would only be putting more of our soldiers in the crossfire of a civil war."
Whoops.
And now that the surge has proven to be successful, and Obama's plan of cut-and-run, er, "phased redeployment" has been proven incorrect, the left including MMFA, with their Ph.D. in Revisionist History, wants us all to believe it wasn't necessary because things were already turning around in September 2006? BS.
So, in September 2006, Iraq was starting to turn around, without needing our help, and this was common knowledge?
OK, Cantgetouttathebasement, there's quite a bit of BS in that post, but I'll just address the line above.Let's pretend somebody else said that, and you didn't just make it up.
Certain areas of Iraq may have been improving. Others were getting worse. Some aspects of the occupation were getting better, others not so much.
I'm sure you see this as some sort of "gotcha", but it is only in the mind of somebody using some very simplistic black & white thinking.
I can't figure out why - if Iraq was turning around in Sept. '06 - "the Surge" was needed.
But then, when one starts with a premise like that, I guess the facts are merely minor obstacles to overcome.
Pretty Funny Col. You say:
Certain areas of Iraq may have been improving. Others were getting worse. Some aspects of the occupation were getting better, others not so much.
In 2006, there wasn't a SINGLE liberal democrat who would admit that ANY part of iraq was improving. It was focus on the bad so we can cut-and-run.
That's a curious after-the-fact admission by you, but two years too late!
Noleft, any place in the world, at any time in history, during war or peace, good times or bad, there is probably something getting better & something getting worse.
You're just a bit behind. This entire scam war has been designed around obvious ploys to try to force others to acknowledge the positive in anything your Bush gang do, so they can fool you into thinking that they're doing the right thing. Stop being such a sucker.
Sorry, Prince, can't sit around and constantly monitor the site like most of you apparently can. Is everyone else here a college student, unemployed, a freelance writer, or a government/union worker?
Irony: McCain is in favor of eventual withdrawal. However, any "expediency" will depend on conditions. The difference between this and Obama's constant demands for withdrawal is that McCain wants to, and wanted to, withdraw from a position of strength, while Obama (and the MMFA crowd) wanted all along to cut-and-run. Read the speech I linked to above. Obama wanted to begin withdrawing in 2006 or 2007. Tack on 16 months, and the surge would never have had a chance to take effect. Eventually, we will reach a point at which time we will have most troops out in 16 months. That 16-month window keeps shifting, though. 16 months from now is not the same as 16 months from early 2007.
Friedbergboy: McCain's point was that the surge made the Anbar awakening a reality, as opposed to a plan and a little braggadocio. MMFA's version is kind of like saying we defeated the British when the Declaration of Independence was signed, and that whole Revolutionary War thing was just cleanup. This "covering up" by CBS takes nothing away from McCain's overall point: the surge was successful, and Obama was against it.
Col.: Let's assume you're right. In November 2006, let's say that certain areas were improving, others were not getting better. Where's that recognition in Obama's speech? Nowhere, only mentions of "chaos" and "civil war", and a prediction that more troops would be of no use. Now THAT sounds like "very simplistic black & white thinking". Why didn't he have access to the same fountain of knowledge that you have? Was his 20-20 hindsight defective? The surge made the improving parts improve more quickly, and turned around the "not so much" parts. Now that success is apparent to even the most stubborn, Monday morning quarterbacks are ready to explain how they would have done it better.
Gotta go. Work calls.
Sorry, Prince, can't sit around and constantly monitor the site like most of you apparently can. Is everyone else here a college student, unemployed, a freelance writer, or a government/union worker?
Nah, just people who can read and comprehend quickly, and get to the point with their comments. ;0)
McCain's point was that the surge made the Anbar awakening a reality, as opposed to a plan and a little braggadocio.
If you believe that, then you are just as stupid as McCain. The Anbar awakening began BEFORE THE SURGE, you idiot.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/22/mccain-anbar-history/
It is a widely known fact (among thinking people) that the Anbar awakening began in Sept. 2006, months before Bush even announced the surge policy in January 2007.
And McCains' claim about the surge protecting those sheiks who decided to support the Anbar Awakening? Oops...
Colonel MacFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks," said the Senator. "Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening."
The Arizona Republican's campaign went further the next day, claiming that the major figures that turned around Anbar province would have been killed had the surge policy not been in place. "If Barack Obama had had his way, the Sheiks who started the Awakening would have been murdered at the hands of al Qaeda," said spokesman Tucker Bounds.
Sadly, that murder took place even with the surge underway. In September 2007, Abdul Sattar Abu Risha, the sheik widely credited with persuading Sunni leaders to turn against al Qaeda in Iraq, died in a bomb attack in Anbar. His work, prior to then, was held as a major effort in transforming the province from one of Iraq's deadliest areas into one of its safest.
Thanks for the kind words, JAWill, but beginning the Anbar awakening and seeing the idea through to provide lasting gains are two different things. Then again, leftists aren't too good at thinking long term.
So why again, JAWill, didn't Obama recognize and apply these gains that were so widely known (to thinking people) AT THE TIME, instead of 2 years later? Maybe because he and other liberals like yourself were too busy yelling "chaos" and "civil war"?
OK genius, what did the surge do to "apply the gains" of the anbar awakening? While you're at it, why don't you explain your conflicting notions of removing troops when the situation on the ground allows it and the success of the surge. Those two things would seem to point to us starting to leave now.
The fact is that the military began making deals with Sunni tribal chiefs in the Anbar province, and that lead to the relatively stable situation there. In general, the raw increase in troop numbers did little to stabilize Iraq. It was a combination of many things, including a smarter use of the troops and bribing tribal leaders, that led to the stabilization. On top of that, the Sadr cease fire and the near completion of ethnic cleansing did FAR more than an increase in troop numbers.
Bottom line, the whole thing has been a disaster from beginning to end and now that the Iraqi government is finally starting to get its act together a little bit, we can start getting out of there, in accordance with the wishes of the people and the leadership of that sovereign country.
JAWill, here's how the increase in troops applied the gains of the Anbar awakening, as described at the time.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june07/troop_02-09.html
Note the increase in troops in Anbar. The increase allowed the US military to remain in regions after they were stabilized, versus only moving on to the next ones. This let the gains be expanded among the cities and provinces, rather than simply playing whack-a-mole. The goal now is to gradually allow the Iraq troops to overtake the missions of the US troops, which is what is happening. Then, and only then, does a withdrawal make sense.
Does it really kill you libs to admit the surge has worked?
To claim otherwise is to deny reality. Will the world end if you give President Bush and General Petreus credit for one single thing?
In your world, up is down - left is right - right is wrong.
The surge has worked - this is not an opinion, this is a FACT.
Obama said it would fail, he was wrong. McCain said it would work, he was right. Why can you just not admit reality?
BJ FAN, I will give the surge all the credit the same day you call for Bushs' criminal prosecution for lying us into war.
Right is wrong..left is right...up is down.... how about-----
"WE KNOW WHERE THE WMD's ARE, WE JUST CAN'T FIND THEM."
I will say the that escalation was a contributing factor.but not the only reason the escalation worked. Can you agree to that?
Admit that the surge has "worked"...hmm. The troop escalation did reduce violence. Now tie that with a better Sec. of Defense and troop strategy; paying former insurgents; ethnic cleansing already done with millions of refugees living elsewhere and partioned neighborhoods. These also reduced violence.
Now the whole point of the extra troops was to allow the Iraqi government time to become a functioning government. That remains to be seen. I suspect that once the troops do withdraw, there will be further restructuring (and violence as factions vie for power) and eventually they will work things out. That is, unless the western powers keep meddling in their affairs.
Now consider that violence in Afghanistan is epidemic and the Taliban has been consistently gaining control again. what do you think about that, huh?
The surge has worked - this is not an opinion, this is a FACT.
No one is denying that escalation of troop numbers, called THE SURGE!, helped reduce some of the violence in Iraq. However, the administration established 18 benchmarks by which the success of THE SURGE! was to be measured. The administration claims that 15 of the benchmarks have been "satisfactorily" met. However, the GAO refutes that. At any rate, even the administration admits that the three most critical benchmarks, including the one relating to oil revenue sharing legislation, have not been met.
Also, there are other factors, aside from THE SURGE!, which have also contributed to a reduction of violence, including the standing down of AlSadr's Madi militia.
So, it is not a FACT, as you say, that THE SURGE! has been successful. Are conditions improving? Yes...and it's about damn time. You are a KOOL-AID drinker if you believ any of this administration's propaganda about THE SURGE! This administration bungled the Iraq war, an unnecessary war of choice, from its inception and denied for years that things were going poorly. NOW, they admit that the war was being lost? Now? What about the years when they denied that and accused anyone who said differently of being unpatriotic. Open your eyes...you can't believ a word that comes from anywhere near the direction of Bush and Cheney.
Does it really kill you libs to admit the surge has worked?
If it "worked, " the troops would be on their way out. Frankly, I don't think we should be debating whether the surge "worked" or not. Bush had no business invading Iraq and we have no business occupying that country. We should be debating what war crime charges should be levied against the Bush administration.
From Snoopy's "Crooks & Liars" link on the thread above this one:
Furthermore, MacFarland even co-wrote an article (.pdf) published earlier this year in which he explained how most of the Anbar progress occurred between June 2006 and February 2007, months before the first surge troops even arrived.
The Anbar Awakening is argued by many to be one of the most crucial turning points in the war. For McCain to falsely claim that The Surge was responsible for it is rank dishonesty and a blatant attempt to re-write history."
Good posts, Mary...you have a good handle on the facts and issues.
What kills me is how Bush defenders ignore the incompetence and bungling in the handling of the Iraq war...setting aside the bogus reasons for going to war in the first place. THE SURGE! was an overdue corrective measure. But to correct what? Bush and Cheney denied that the war was bungled. When we pointed out how poorly the war was being handled we were accused of being unpatriotic. Why should we believe one word of what and Cheney say today? Let's get some new blood in the White House to figure out how to get us out quickly and get our arses over to Afganistan to correct more Bush/Cheney bungling.
Now Bushco didn't introduce "The Surge", Coca Cola did in 2006 (Note that it fizzled):
"Coca Cola to unveil new Surge soft drink
ATLANTA (AP) - Can it outdo the Dew?
Coca-Cola's new citrus drink is green, high in calories and loaded with caffeine, and the company is betting millions it can lure young consumers who have made Pepsi's Mountain Dew one of the hottest-selling soft drinks in America.
Analysts say Surge, the new soft drink announced Monday, is a gamble, but is worth a shot in a market where other citrus drinks have fizzled"
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/121796/cocacola.htm
I'm in agreement with you on that...I am just offering an opinion as to why the Dems may have made that blunder. I think there should have been Congressional hearings on how Bush and Cheny got us into war.
If it "worked, " the troops would be on their way out. Frankly, I don't think we should be debating whether the surge "worked" or not.
The important thing is that McCain has already declared victory and took the credit on July 21:
"I'm proud that I was right! I'm proud that we could defeat this evil! I was proud that we can bring our troops home with honor and prevent a wider war!"
Yay, it's over!!!
(and he won!!!)
Does it really kill you libs to admit the surge has worked?
That the surge has worked is debateable, as others have pointed out. But what always makes me wonder is this: If the surge is such a great success, then doesn't that just show how wrongly the war was being orchestrated for the first four years?
After all, GW and his cronies, with lots of their sycophants in the media, kept assuring us that the war would be (1) easy, (2) short, (3) inexpensive, and (4) wouldn't need many U.S. soldiers. There were many others who knew otherwise, and said so at the time.
Leaving aside the question about the legitimacy of the war in the first place, the fact that GW had too few soldiers there made their duties much more difficult, and almost certainly resulted in needless injuries and deaths. Then, after four years, when the war was obviously not easy, short, or inexpensive, GW decides, "I know how to win the war--put in more soldiers!" Well, duh. It's not like that hadn't been pointed out years before.
The surge is, frankly, too little, too late, and will not rehabilitate the fiasco that is the Iraq War.
Do you remember what the Bush/Rove response to the failing war effort was? It was a freakin' public relations campaign! Not an escalation of troops to correct original blunders...it was a public relations campaign to convince Americans that we needed to stay the course (remember that slogan?). Oh, and if you doubted them then you were unpatriotic...
Does it really kill you libs to admit the surge has worked?
The Surge has not worked , it has not solved the ethnic and political issues of Iraq. You are really sad.
These are the things I wonder about this piece:
1. Who did the editing? Did Couric know about it and approve it?
2. Did whoever did the editing know that McCain had this wrong? Was the editing done to provide him with cover or was the news editor oblivious to the significance of McCain's response and simply edit to create a 'better' interview?
3. Did the McCain campaign suggest the edit or know about it in advance?
4. When did it become OK for any journalist or editor or news organization to substitute one answer for another, for any reason?
These are the things I wonder about this piece:
1. Who did the editing? Did Couric know about it and approve it?
2. Did whoever did the editing know that McCain had this wrong? Was the editing done to provide him with cover or was the news editor oblivious to the significance of McCain's response and simply edit to create a 'better' interview?
3. Did the McCain campaign suggest the edit or know about it in advance?
4. When did it become OK for any journalist or editor or news organization to substitute one answer for another, for any reason?
1. I don't know who did the editing, but Couric not only approved it, Couric and/or Couric's GOP-Viacom-CBS bosses ORDERED it.
2. They had to know what McCain said was a lie, and they edited/whitewashed McCain's lies to provide him with cover.
3. I think that the McCain campaign & GOP-Viacom-CBS were in collusion with each other to edit this or any other lies that Liar McCain told about Iraq or anything else.
4. The answer to your fourth question is...never.
I just sent an email to cbs news expressing my displeasure at this hack job. A lot of good it will do...but, what the hell. I think it's pretty obvious that we all believe that factual, unbiased "news" is a rare commodity. It's only going to get worse. This isn't about Republican or Democrat or Liberal versus Conservative. It's a sleight of hand trick to get us to argue amongst ourselves about hot button issues like gayness, abortion, guns, etc. so that we don't focus on the real problem. With giant corporations consolidating the delivery of information into fewer and fewer channels, coupled with the Congress' /FCC's willingness to do their bidding by stifling alternative means we are in an updated version of the late 18th century when the robber barons controlled the government. Yesterday, on Air America, the stand in for Randi Rhodes was talking about a law, passed by the House that could severely cripple free speech, or opposition movements by calling it Home Grown terrorist propaganda. WTF? Any ideas on what we can do to fight back, with people from all sides of the spectrum who at least agree on preserving and strengthening the bill of rights. I'm getting very nervous.
Boy Oscar,
That's one of the most ridiculous statements you have made in awhile.
Again, from C&L. More evidence of a CBS coverup:
CBS manuel—CBS NEWS STANDARDS….SEC111-5….EDITING:
The lying cons' often repeated "liberal media" lie has once again been proven to be a lie.
The right wing conservative GOP-Viacom-CBS scrubbed & whitewashed all record of Liar McCain's lies about the surge from ther interview. No doubt that BOTH Republican Hate Hag Liar Katie Couric and Corporatist Conservative Republican liar Sumner Redstone, among others, were all complicit in the ordering and/or carrying out of this whitewash.
Liberal media, biggest con lie on the planet!
Liberal media, biggest con lie on the planet!
Well said and could not agree with you more.
Thank you.
As we speak, the right wing corporatist conservative news media continues to prove the lying cons' liberal media lie to be the big lie we know it to be.
CBS is out of control. search CBS at my channel on YouTube. see my video Apologize to the World Mr. Wallace and Return that Emmy
Please check out my latest, I report on political issues like this yet I am not listed:
Is this happening to any other YouTube partner? Solidarity!
By the way, if you've been monitoring Olbermann's show, I wonder if you covered the horrible bashing of Hillary Clinton with Howard Fineman last April. I was so disgusted at their sophimoric snickering that I have not watched Olbermann since. And how many times have I seen Olbermann, basically praising that pompous self important ego maniac in Media Matters. Do you ever critique his Obama fawning. Or that of any news talking heads?
szymko
By the way, if you've been monitoring Olbermann's show, I wonder if you covered the horrible bashing of Hillary Clinton with Howard Fineman last April. I was so disgusted at their sophomoric snickering that I have not watched Olbermann since. And how many times have I seen Media Matterbasically praising that pompous self important ego maniac.. Do you ever critique his Obama fawning. Or that of any news talking heads?
szymko
By the way, if you've been monitoring Olbermann's show, I wonder if you covered the horrible bashing of Hillary Clinton with Howard Fineman last April. I was so disgusted at their sophomoric snickering that I have not watched Olbermann since. And how many times have I seen Media Matterbasically praising that pompous self important ego maniac.. Do you ever critique his Obama fawning. Or that of any news talking heads?
szymko
You have virutally no comments on how McCain has been unfairly covered by the press, which he has been.
Are you saying that you can't find any items here regarding the press coverage of McCain, or just can't find any that agree with your opinion?
If it's the first one, you're not looking very hard. If it's the latter, your problem might be that MMFA provides mostly transcripts, audio and video, or "facts", and some opinion pieces based largely on these facts.If you're looking for opinion pieces that ignore actual events to conform to your opinion, you may want to try Freerepublic or Townhall.
Thank you Katie Couric for cheating the American public out of their right to see how well informed Senator Whine McCain really is. He has been complaining about the media coverage of Senator Obama has received, yet his distortions/misinformation had been edited as if CBS were running his campaign.
The job of a journalist is to ask hard questions and when given a distorted response is to follow up and not allow lies to be stated as if they were true. Ms. Couric you did not do your job. Why are you protecting Senator Whine It's the Surge McCain? His facts are mangled and distorted and we deserve to know the whole truth, not the edited redacted slant which misleads the public.
And you Ms. Couric have recently complained about sexism? Do your job and do it well... We deserve better.
Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely yours,
Imani De La Perez