Stein on Obama's convention speech: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done"
SUMMARY: On Glenn Beck, Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people." Stein further stated: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done."
On the July 23 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, guest Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people" because "[t]hat is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America." Stein continued: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past."
Host Beck responded that he has "been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever. ... I mean it's crazy." Stein then declared, "It's a scary situation. ... But 75,000 people screaming in an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian." He continued: "It's like Juan Peron and Evita."
Stein is not the first guest on Glenn Beck to compare Obama to Adolf Hitler. On February 22, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg said: "I think one of the things that is decidedly fascistic, or at least just a bad idea, is looking for silver bullets. You know, when Barack Obama campaigns, he's basically saying, 'I'm a silver bullet. I'm going to solve all your problems just by electing me.' FDR, Hitler, all these guys, they basically said, 'All your problems can be solved.' "
From the July 23 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
STEIN: I want -- I'm glad you brought up this Denver thing. I don't like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people. That is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America. We have a contained number of people in an arena. Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past.
BECK: Well, yeah, you know what? I've been -- I've been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever.
STEIN: Well, I think --
BECK: I mean it's crazy.
STEIN: It's a scary situation. I mean, I think he has to recognize some bounds on his own ego. I understand politicians are politicians because they have ego deficit problems and they try to cure them by having lots of worship and adulation and adoration. But 75,000 people screaming at an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian.
BECK: Ben --
STEIN: It's like Juan Peron --
BECK: It's not --
STEIN: -- and Evita.
BECK: It's not gonna make a difference.
These comics are killing me. So despereate for material. Obama will make a fine president.
I think we need a Stein Corollary to Godwin's law.
"If a person invokes a Nazi/Hitler/Holocaust comparison in order to support a completely UNRELATED point (such as the U.S. election, or evolution) then you should point at them and laugh"
(and if the person is Jewish, you should be disgusted with them for exploiting and trivializing such a sensitive historical event)
FDR, Hitler, all these guys, they basically said, 'All your problems can be solved.' "
This quote from Jonah Goldberg is the FIRST time I've seen FDR and Hilter lumped together, Now he says Obama is just as bad as those two. Amazing!
Care to tell us exactly why this Congress can't seem to get anything done?
Simple. The GOP minority in the Senate stalls everything on procedural votes by requiring 60 votes for passage, then they all vote in lock-step to prevent the 60-vote threshold from being reached. It's a calculated move on their part, designed to "punish" the Deomocrats for blocking Bush's "excellent" judicial appointments, such as that known racist Charles Pickering.
now the little bunny got all splatted.
;>)
Would you say that's being...*gasp*...obstructionist?
Noooo, the Republicans would never...
True, but you do remember the purpose of Whitewater investigations don't you? They were trying to get the Clintons. And, well, they didn't.
You are correct that a democratic president, and a very severely hostile republican Congress did produce a booming economy. I would actually like to see different parties in the White House, and in Congress, because then, things might actually get done, and compromises might be made, as they were in the Clinton years. Not so with W, who had a rubber stamp for 6+ years almost. And now we have the republicans filibustering almost every single bill coming through the Senate, regardless of whether they approve of it or not, they filibuster it.
And some people wonder why Congress "can't get anything done". It's mostly because of the filibustering of the republicans in the Senate.
What are you talking about?
Jim Guy Tucker, his lawyer and his business partner were convicted for something that had nothing to do with the Clintons. In fact, Tucker only plead guilty because he required an organ transplant and his health couldn't withstand a trial.
Webb Hubbell plead guilty to embezzling from the law form where Hillary Clinton and he worked -- in effect he was stealing from Clinton and the other partners.
David Hale was convicted of crimes that had nothing to do with the Clintons, and then lied repeatedly as the main witness against Bill Clinton.
Susan McDougal was convicted in a case that had nothing to do with the Clintons -- a case that would likely never have been brought except for a prosecutor looking to force her to testify falsely against the Clintons.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point. "Whitewater" proper -- the investigation of the real estate transaction -- produced NOTHING.
The ever-widening circle of investigations and charges brought by partisan prosecutors, even to the point of using perjured testimony and clearly unstable witnesses, may have brought a few convictions, but those are tainted, to put it mildly. In addition, many would not have happened but for Republican partisans determined to do with bad faith through the legal process what they could not do through the electoral process -- remove Bill Clinton from office.
In 1996 she was convicted of fraud for her part in an attempt to obtain a $300,000 loan from the Small Business Administration and sentenced to two years in prison. This conviction was based on the testimony of David Hale, who as I have mentioned, is a congenital liar.
McDougal was jailed for contempt when she refused to testify against Bill Clinton and she said that the prosecutor attempted to force her to testify falsely.
Susan McDougal had also been charged with stealing from her employer Nancy Mehta, the wife of conductor Zubin Mehta. I think it's safe to say the charges were clearly an attempt to coerce McDougal to cooperate against Clinton, since all 12 charges resulted in an almost immediate acquittal once the jury began deliberating.
Mehta's wife is also a renowned nut and well-known super-beotch.
BTW, most of the "Whitewater convictions" are on the level of bad-check charges and inflating income on credit card applications. That's the level of harassment the Feds subjected FOBs to.
A Democratic President and a Republican Congress gave us the greatest Economy in the history of the world. So I'm told...
Every Republican except Mark Hatfield of Oregon voted against Clinton's '93 budget. Newt Gingrich said it would cause a crash worse than 1929 in less than 6 months. John Boehner said he would resign if it proved beneficial to the economy. He didn't.
Once again, the GOP is given credibility on a subject every one of them got wrong, just like Iraq. And you keep forgetting just how wrong they have been about almost everything they have touched.
A Democratic President and a Republican Congress gave us the greatest Economy in the history of the world. So I'm told...
The Republicans did everything they could to block Clinton's fantastic economic stimulus plan-- not one Repub voted for it. In fact, the plan only passed Congress based upon Vice President Gore's tie-breaking 'yes' vote.
You Repubs lie, and you lie all the time. But the war is on, and you're gonna lose with your tactics.
Um......Benny my boy,
I think you might want to keep your money and stop giving it away and use it for personality lessons....
This has got to be some of the best comedy that could never posibily be written.... or even spoken! Wow! This is some classic stuff!
But Stein is such an exciting and dynamic speaker!
But really, 75,000 people in a sports arena?!? My God, what an ego. So just because he's one of two people in line for president of the U.S., now Obama thinks he's as important as Peyton Manning?
But really, 75,000 people in a sports arena?!? My God, what an ego. So just because he's one of two people in line for president of the U.S., now Obama thinks he's as important as Peyton Manning?
Obama must be even MORE important than Peyton Manning. They're estimating the crowd that turned up to see him in Berlin today at around 200,000.
Why do they show up in such overwhelming numbers? To reinforce the message that the world cannot tolerate another 4 years of Republican rule.
I can't tolerate another 4 minutes of RepubliKKKan rule. :-)
Fog,
Luckily they rushed the equipment right after the last song and barricaded the area so no one could leave. They then forced some Germans to take American flags and wave them by serious force.
Yeah, that was Rush Limbaugh's talking point yesterday. It was totally invalid, since the audience didn't leave after the bands played, and the audience clearly reacted favorably to what he had to say, but you did repeat what Rush said almost verbatim.
Good puppy.
Wrong ...I missed his show yesterday. I did read it on der spiegel, seeing I lived in that country for over 4 years I do like to read their news.
How typical to assume those with opposite views can only be feed lines, like "you heard that on rush". Trying thinking for yourself and get off the talking points.
Trying thinking for yourself and get off the talking points.
Try thinking for yourself and stop parroting the talking points, regradless of where you're getting them.
I guess you don't like people who can think for themselves and seek information from places other than left wing sites that spout the things (talking points) that you echo here on a daily basis.
Your only rebuttal is to accuse others for doing that which you do.
We do like people who can think for themselves.
As soon as you demonstrate that, our respect for you will increase. So far I haven't seen you demonstrate any of that thinking. If your 'thinking' led you to believe that any people came to hear the music and not Obama, then you need a new "thinker".
Where in that link you provided did it say that they showed up for the music?
Nowhere. Like I said, you need to stop listening to Rush so much.
I guess you can't read...
"The tens of thousands of Obama fans are being entertained...reggae musician Patrice kicked things off, followed by the rock band Reamonn."
Gosh, you're dense. Nowhere there does it say they were there to hear the bands instead of to hear Obama. The fact that the bands, brought in to entertain the early arrivers, did their job, doesn't mean that a single person came to the event to hear the bands.
You said
They showed up for the free music concert before he spoke.
So, tell me - where in any news article is there any reference to a single person showing up to hear the music? There's none. Many people showed up early to get a good spot in the crowd, since they thought it would be a heavily-attended event, and the organizers of the event had the common sense and compassion to bring in some entertainment for the people who got there early. The fact that people listened to the music that was provided doesn't mean they came for the music. You said that they showed up for the free music. I asked you to prove that. You didn't. You couldn't, because it's not true.
"Obama must be even MORE important than Peyton Manning. "
Well, now you're just being ridiculous.
Its just such utter hypocrisy - if McCain could get 750 people into an auditorium Beck and Stein would be gushing "Man of the People" - "McCain is loved by everyone", etc.
Well, he got almost that many (700) in Wilkes Barre this week. Unfortunately, that meant the auditorium was less than half full.
For his Wilkes Barre appearance, Barack got 2000 and turned away hundreds more. What a Nazi!
F'real.
Personally, I'm kinda hoping for a Reagan-esque sweep. But I know that Obama won't win some of the, frankly, more racist states.
My current home state of Kentucky is just one example. I know too many long-time (generational) Democrats who have flat admitted to me they are voting for McCain simply because they can't stand the idea of a black president. I've tried to argue how bigoted and silly that is, particularly when one can plainly see how bad a McSame economy will be for rural Americans, but no one will listen.
That's not to say that Obama doesn't have any support around here...but I fear not enough to win the state.
"BECK: Well, yeah, you know what? I've been -- I've been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever."
Yeah ever since the Supreme Court appointed Dubya. Beck is a moron but Ben Stein is actually an intelligent guy. I used to respect him in spite of his political leanings but lately he's gone off the deep end.
'Ben Stein is actually an intelligent guy.'
If by 'is', you mean 'was', then your statement is correct. Conversely, you could substitute 'intelligent' with 'intelligent design', and you would have a correct statement.
To all of you who are decrying the comparison here, and failing to notice th subtlties that indicate the entire Obama campaign has been more a "coronation" than an election, let me ask you all to think back four years when one of the leftist liberal darling groups, moveon.org, published an advertisement that morphed President Bush into Hitler. where was your outrage then? At least Ben Stein (who DOES have a great political mind) has hit on a valid comparison of the pomp and circumstance that is given in largess to Obama. I'm actually surprised that he didn't take it a step further in the huge accolades taking place in Berlin as I write this. Why stop at 75,000 in a stadium, when you have 10 times that number of people creating an image of similar rallies 70 years ago?
Somehow I find it the ultimate in arrogance to act like you've forgotten that American Presidents are elected by American voters and not coronated by Europeans.
welcome to this thread.I really appreciate your stand-up routine.
Somehow I find it the ultimate in arrogance to act like you've forgotten that American Presidents are elected by American voters and not coronated by Europeans.
And I keep hoping that Miss Dee forgets her password and stops posting her useless drivel here on MMFA.
At least Ben Stein (who DOES have a great political mind) has hit on a valid comparison of the pomp and circumstance that is given in largess to Obama.
So, if I am understanding your argument correctly, you would agree that the Pope is also very much like Hitler?
Or Ronald reagan?
Face it, Ben Stein's a Class-A bigot. It's not funny any more.
"the entire Obama campaign has been more a "coronation" than an election"
Well, except for the millions of votes he received.
Somehow I find it the ultimate in arrogance to act like you've forgotten that American Presidents are elected by American voters and not coronated by the Supreme Court or Diebold.
There, I fixed your post.
"To all of you who are decrying the comparison here, and failing to notice th subtlties that indicate the entire Obama campaign has been more a "coronation" than an election, let me ask you all to think back four years when one of the leftist liberal darling groups, moveon.org, published an advertisement that morphed President Bush into Hitler. where was your outrage then? At least Ben Stein (who DOES have a great political mind) has hit on a valid comparison of the pomp and circumstance that is given in largess to Obama. I'm actually surprised that he didn't take it a step further in the huge accolades taking place in Berlin as I write this. Why stop at 75,000 in a stadium, when you have 10 times that number of people creating an image of similar rallies 70 years ago?
Somehow I find it the ultimate in arrogance to act like you've forgotten that American Presidents are elected by American voters and not coronated by Europeans." - Missdee...
First, the Obama campaign has been anything but a coronation. First of all, a coronation indicates that someone would have been entitled to the position of which they were coronated to. You do seem to forget that up unitl a very short while ago, Senator Obama was in a fairly heated, and close, primary election with Senator Clinton. Only when Senator Clinton finally realized that she didn't have enough delegates to take it, did she step away from the campaign. If it had been a coronation for Obama, he would have tied up the nomination in say, March, instead of June, or May. Also, if you remember back to the start of the primary season, Obama wasn't the one being coronated, it was Senator Clinton. She was fated as the likely nominee for the Democratic party by just about everyone out there. Obama had to come from basically nowhere, and from very far behind to actually win the nomination. Far from being a coronation that is.
The ad of which you speak was not created by Moveon.org, it was created by someone who submitted it to their website, and they yes, did post it on there for people to look at, and to see. I, for one far left liberal, do not think that anyone bears comparison to Hitler or Nazis, especially an American President of any party or affiliation (unless said President was a member of the National Socialist Party, AKA Nazis). Do you just think nobody from the left was outrage, or are you just guessing because Moveon.org is a progressive group? The big difference I've noticed between left wing groups, and right wing groups, is that when someone from the left does something wrong, generally, and if we think they did wrong, we condemn their acts. Not so with the right. Take Savage;s latest comments for a good example.
So now a presidential candidate from America is creating notice, and creating interest in the people of this country, and he is able to draw 75000 people to see him speak. What is so bad about that? It shows that people are taking more of an interest in what is going on, and in what Obama is saying. If McCain could draw 75000, you know he'd do it, and I wouldn't blame him one little bit, but you know what? He can't. Why? He sucks at speaking in public. Obama is an energetic and great orator, and it heartens me to see people, lots of people, wanting to come out and see that.
One thing you guys forgot. In Nazi Germany, it was pretty much mandated that you attend these functions, and cheer for the Fuhrer, or ELSE! In the USA, it is called free will. This thing is happening, and people want to see it. Why only make his acceptance speech available to people at the convention? Why not bring it to, you know, the people of the country and in the largest numbers possible?
The comparison to Hitler and Nazi Germany is disgusting and disingenous at best, and just downright stupid.
"Let me ask you all to think back four years when one of the leftist liberal darling groups, moveon.org, published an advertisement that morphed President Bush into Hitler. where was your outrage then?"
As noted, another lie-- it was one contest entry out of many, and it didn't win anything.
These Republicans-- christ they're just awful, aren't they? Just real creeps. And really really stupid, when they are not venal...
It wasn't required to attend the rallys in the beginning. Adolf Hitler looked around and figured out exactly what the people wanted to hear and they loved him in the beginning.
Hmmmm why does that idea seem so familiar? Who else is just spouting nonsense trying to please people by making impossible promises and scapegoating? I just can't think of the name right now but i'm sure it will come to me.
OH YEAH IT'S OBAMA! whew i remembered!
Hey Jekpork,
Do you just like to spout nonsense or could you provide an example of Obama doing what you say he does?
ML
VERY GOOD, I LIKED YOUR POST
Heh, the post is more than likely from a confused con, Christian.
They are sorely afraid that the coronation of Obama will be the coronation of the Anti Christ. See, Obama is charismatic, loved (and it looks like he is well liked worldwide), intelligent and omg....has links to the middle east through his father's side of the family.
They see a pseudo messiah in this guy, and it scares the hell out of them....literally, lol. They would rather have McCain than someone that "looks" like their anti christ.
What utter horsepoo Dee.
If McCain were able to gather close to that many people in one place to see him speak, you'd be going on and on about how great he was and how much support he had.
You're just pissed that Obama can draw a bigger crowd 3000 miles away than your guy can in his own country!
Frankly, comments about Obama's supposed "arrogance" (from you OR Stein) are absurd on their face and scarcely bear discussion. The man is humility personified and there is no evidence to the contrary.
Or "Point." (Yours is better, though.)
The most galling thing about this kind of statement is the logical fallacy of comparing Person A to Person B, when the accuser stands closer ideologically to Person B than Person A does.
Or, to make it clearer, Hitler was the absolute ultimate right-winger; his assault on the freedoms of ordinary people was unsurpassed (though Mussolini gave him good competition). It's utter nonsense for any conservative to compare any liberal (or any centrist) to Hitler, since the liberal or centrist is, by definition, less like Hitler than the conservative is.
"BECK: Well, yeah, you know what? I've been -- I've been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever."
Does that mean that the trains are gonna run on time? :-)
I am so pi$$ed off at this moron I am having trouble formulating and answer to this bigot. I would like to put him in jail, but then I'd be like the Fuehrer.
Hold your breath on that one, Snoop.
Besides, which candidate has anger management & computer problems?
Now that is funny. I was expecting the O'Reilly melt down clip.
BTW, where does it say we have to have a contained number of people? Where does it say we must only have controlled, hand picked select audiences? Beck is just pissed because you couldn't find 75,000 people to attend a McCain speech. That McCain Mania is just soo out of control! <snicker!>
So, now we're supposed to believe Obama is a both a Fascist and a Socialist? I guess they figure they've gotten all the mileage they could get out of the stealth Muslim/radical Christian hooey.
I just can't believe the American people are willing to elect a Muslim terrorist/black panther/Nazi/communist as President.
Thank you Ben Stein for alerting us to this great danger. I didn't realize that the Nazi's were still plotting to take over the U.S.
Don't forget his crazy Christian pastor.
Ben Stein has a crazy Christian pastor? I though he was Jewish.....
The Washington Times (12/26/2003):
A swinging convention
Organizers of the Republican National Convention, to be held in New York City next summer, are thinking about having President Bush make his nomination-acceptance speech at Yankee Stadium, the New York Post reports.
The convention will be held from Aug. 30 through Sept. 2 at Madison Square Garden, which holds up to 19,500 people. Yankee Stadium can seat 55,000.
There has also been speculation that Mr. Bush may deliver his address at Ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, or elsewhere, reporter Kenneth Lovett writes.
However, there could be a problem: Mr. Bush's speech is planned for prime time on Sept. 2 - the same time as the Yankees are scheduled to play the Cleveland Indians at Yankee Stadium.
The New York Post (12/24/2003):
BUSH MAY 'PITCH' IN BRONX
ALBANY - Organizers of the Republican national convention have sent out an e-mail raising the possibility that President Bush will accept the nomination at Yankee Stadium.
Jeff Kent, the U.S. Senate press photographers-gallery director and a convention organizer, cited the option to media members in a follow-up e-mail to last week's convention preview for the media at Madison Square Garden, the site of the event next summer.
After asking for feedback to the Garden plans, Kent, whose office has been designated by convention organizers to handle some arrangements, told media members to "ponder how you would want to cover an acceptance speech at Yankee Stadium."
Republican leaders have said they are considering ways to highlight high-profile sites in the city and have previously refused to say whether Bush will accept the nomination at the Garden.
...Bush made a memorable appearance at the Stadium just weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks when he threw out the first ball of Game 1 of the 2001 World Series.
Where did you find that marvelous piece of news?
And quoting both the Moonie Times and the New York Compost - two sources that the right-wing dittoheads cannot claim are part of the "vast liberal media". Brilliant!!!!!
Obama is going to make one planned outdoor speech to a large crowd, and this likens him to Hitler?
Hitler gave numerous outdoor speeches at rallies during his tyrannical reign.
Who in this day and age routinely makes speeches to large outdoor audiences?
Pete, your link is right on, but i was really expecting one of those Harvest Crusade speakers. They pack in Angels Stadium here pretty well, and seem to sell a ton of bumper stickers while they're at it.
Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done.
JFK gave his acceptance speech at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in front of 80,000 people.
Looks like the memo is out....During the first 30 minutes of his show, Rush made a remark concerning Hitler giving or wanting to give a speech at the same venue.
After Germany, the ReichWing will back-off all Hitler references and continue to pound away at the messiah line. They want people, their flock, to believe the Obama paints himself as some type of saviour/messiah.
Rush, Beck, Seannie the Sissy etc. are trying to get the word out that Obama feels his is a messiah but the lunatics will then throw out the anti-christ crap. Beware..this is the plan. They have nothing else..not even a candidate on their side.
Real Republicans, take your party back from the CONS..they are destroying it.
Now Rush's big "find" is that before Obama spoke to a big crowd in Berlin, there was a musical performance by two popular artists. He's trying to say that Obama couldn't get those side crowds on his own - he needs the lead-in artists to get those crowds.
Doesn't he know that no one goes to see the opening acts? It's the headliner that draws them in. <sarcasm>
During the first 30 minutes of his show, Rush made a remark concerning Hitler giving or wanting to give a speech at the same venue.
Really? Hitler wanted to make a speech at Invesco Field? A place that never existed during his lifetime? Maybe Gennifer Flowers is the reincarnation of Adolf, she said he had a fling with Bill Clinton at a hotel that wasn't built until two years after the "affair." She even said she remembered the view from the fourth story window, which, of course, also wasn't there.
Kindred spirits, and all that happy horsesh|t...
Das Krauthammer wrote a column ridiculously claiming that one has to "earn" the right to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. That Reagan and whoever else had all "earned" it (but not Clinton, of course.)
Which is it? Either speaking there is a good thing, a privilege that has to be "earned"... or it's just something Hitler would do.
The wingnuts are getting their messages confused.
McCain's handlers should be fired. The ridicule is justified.
However next time you are in Columbus you should have lunch at Schmidts. The brats at Schmidts are great!
AA, watch out how you use the words "BRATS" on the $#@%$# %$*&^%$ website.
Signed
Savage
The brats at Schmidts are great!
Are those the brats Michael Savage thinks are faking autism?
Perenial Natural Surrealist candidate, George Papoon has said that he will deliver his acceptance speach from the largest outdoor setting on earth. "I believe its somewhere in Poland."
He has somehow been endosed by Jeff Gannon according to HuffPo.
The Candidate: "Really I'm all about the horserace, and grooming the horse after the race," Said Papoon, relapsing into an unusual degree of consistency. "That," Continued Papoon,"and Paraguay."
Papoon for President!
"Park and Lock it!"
"Not responsible!"
It's Führer, BTW.
Actually, Fuhrer (with the umlaut) or Fuehrer are both acceptable. The /ue/ Fuehrer is used when the letter /u/ is present without the umlaut. It's a pronunciation issue, because if you wrote it as /fuhrer/, it would be pronounced /fuh-rer/ (the /fuh/ rhyming with /duh/) instead of /fyue-rer/. Or something close to that.
Damnit, if only I had my IPA handy...
Whoever thought of having the acceptance speech in a stadium rather than the convention hall should have their head examined. Obama comes across now as a narcissist and this will add to it.
What if it rains?
What if not enough people show up? Cameras will pan the empty seats and this whole rock-star image will take a heavy hit.
Obviously the DNC will then be stocking the stadium with bussed in cheerleaders. Unless anyone is allowed through it will just go down as a publicity stunt with style over substance. Too much choreography will come across as too slick. The reporting will be on who was bussed in and who wasn't.
What's the upside for Obama? Who really cares whether he speaks in a stadium or at the convention? Will people vote in November based on the location of the acceptance speech in August? Will he have to fill stadiums when he goes out on the stump? Any crowds less will draw a less than flattering comparison.
Yeah Obama has people fainting at his speeches, but where is he in the polls? The Republican Convention is the following week and you can bet the Republicans will be blasting away at Obama and this stadium gimmick.
The mistake is the handler's in Obama's campaign started believing their own press releases.
What if not enough people show up? Cameras will pan the empty seats and this whole rock-star image will take a heavy hit.
You do realize you're talking about Obama, and not McCain, right?
Come on, AA .. this is lame even for you.
Don't you right-wingers worship at the altar of supply and demand?
Obama routinely has to turn people away from his speeches ... unlike your boy McSame, who has trouble drawing a crowd to a phone booth.
Obama's handlers are just responding to the demand for their product ... and your lame wishful thinking about rain, or not enough people showing up just shows your desperation...
Thanks for sharing tho ... :)
Umm... You do remember he drew almost 70000 in Oregon, and had to turn people away because all the seats were taken? Of course you don't remember that. That's called, reality.
Thanks for your concern troll about Obama's campaign. Don't worry, he'll be fine. And if it rains, people will still fill the place.
I have no problem with Obama trying to pack them in at Mile High. Go for it.
(I just don't think it is well thought out. IMHO Little to gain, lots to lose.)
Mags,
You may be right. I'll probably watch.
Yeah, because people never show up to view events in stadiums outdoors when the weather is bad.
And they never hang around if the event is interesting enough.
I guess you never watch soccer or NFL football games.
I think they realized that the weather can be bad, but they're willing to assume that the audience can wear ponchos if it rains and still hear Obama.
Yeppers, I tried to go to a Bush speech. Couldn't get in. Imagine that.
Guess he had all the support he needed with Diebold and such.
Wasn't for the jerk anyway, just wanted to confirm what I already felt.
Based on his mega-successful press conference the other day, McCain plans on giving his acceptance speech in front of the Cheeze Whiz display in the "Dairy Delights" aisle at a local supermarket.
Doesn't Invesco Field have a retractable roof? That's what they do if it rains.
And Obama's staff are smart enough not to book the stadium if they don't know they have the people to fill it.
I hear McCain's giving his acceptance speech in a goo old American built car, and they still have four seats unfilled.
Somehow I find it the ultimate in arrogance to act like you've forgotten that American Presidents are elected by American voters and not coronated by Europeans. Missdee
Whoever thought of having the acceptance speech in a stadium rather than the convention hall should have their head examined. Obama comes across now as a narcissist and this will add to it. Another American
Both of these posts represent the hypocrisy of the right. We're to believe if McCain was globally popular, Republicans would fear and shun such attention? What you blue-blooded so-called proud Americans should do is ask yourself "What is the rest of the world seeing that we're missing?" But you can't, because most of you haven't admitted to yourself we made a horrendous mistake going into Iraq to begin with. In your right even when America is wrong she's right.
It's real simple the feeling you are experiencing. It's called jealousy. Hundreds of thousands of people showed up for Obama's speech and McCain can't fill up a hotel room. Your candidate needs the media to splice answers together and look past his flaws, while highlighting Obama's, just to compete. Keep watching the polls right up until November. Polls don't decide elections. The majority of the U.S. won't be fooled by typical right wing propaganda this time. Sorry!
Heat, you are correct.
McCain could give a speech in a phone booth and still wouldn't sell-out the house. The word jealousy is the correct word.
August, So you think they will be fooled by typical left wing propaganda instead? ;-)
The media loves the far leftist, done-nothing, promise everything, sweet-talking, flip-flopping Obama and the Republicans help by nominating McCain. The dumbing down of the electorate continues.
The media loves the far leftist, done-nothing, promise everything, sweet-talking, flip-flopping Obama
Far leftist - prove it or you're just pulling this one out of your a**.
Done-nothing - editor of Harvard Law Review counts for something in my book. And he did more as a state senator than Bush did as Governor, which in Texas is largely a ceremonial position.
Promise everything - again, prove how and when he's done that.
Sweet-talking - you're right on that one. Doesn't it sound gooooood!
Flip-flopping - more proof please.
Fog,
Just what did Obama do while in the Illinois State Senate? Oh yeah. He voted "present" 130 times! That's a real do-er for ya.
Lets see.. Obama was one of 19 candidates and there had been racial unrest at the law school over lack of diversity there. That helped fuel his election by the other editors. What did he do as Editor in Chief? Anything noteworthy?
Has Obama done anything noteworthy as U.S. Senator in the four years he's been in the Senate?
Obama promises change and hope.. Okay. What has he done to show he can do either? He is arguably has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Has he ever reached across the aisle to go along with conservatives? Why should anyone believe him?
Writing this, it just occurred to me why Obama's acceptance speech is outdoors... Too much hot air. ;-)
Obama promises change and hope.. Okay. What has he done to show he can do either? He is arguably has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Has he ever reached across the aisle to go along with conservatives? Why should anyone believe him?
Thanks for reminding everyone why they come to mediamatters. I so enjoy conservative opinion. Please AA, remove your head from your A-hole. For the umpteenth time, you conservatives no longer have the right to mention liberal as if it were the f-bomb. Your conservative administration not only jacked up this country but many others with their bs war. "Why should anyone believe him?" because we believed a fake Texas accent having, military service dodging, war starting elitist, who posed as the average guy everyone would like to have a beer with. "Why should anyone believe him?" HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Conservatives.
The media loves the far leftist, done-nothing, promise everything, sweet-talking, flip-flopping Obama
If you substitute "leftist" with "rightist", this would describe practically any republican.
The media loves the far leftist, done-nothing, promise everything, sweet-talking, flip-flopping Obama and the Republicans help by nominating McCain.
That would be funnier if it actually was Obama who had the media's heart (not to mention the absurdity of using terms like "done-nothing"and "flip-flopping" to Obama.)
There's only one guy in this race that the media loves without question, and it ain't Obama. MMFA and other sites have proven it beyond any objective measure.
MSM = Media Sycophants for McCain
The dumbing down of the electorate continues.- anotheramerican
You're only one vote, AA.It's worth the same as everybody else's, but you do not represent the electorate.It's like you haven't been paying attention at all,public opinion is moving away from you. Oh.... you think....Never mind.
but...
Thanks for the laugh !
AA,
Please stop distorting things and using talking points. You claim that you hate it when Obama talks in platitudes and, yet, that is all you are doing here:
"The media loves the far leftist, done-nothing, promise everything, sweet-talking, flip-flopping Obama and the Republicans help by nominating McCain. The dumbing down of the electorate continues."
Only by doing selective math as you engage in can you make Obama into a far leftist. If we are going to talk flip-flopping, what do you make of McCain's 61 documented flip-flops:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html
Also, tell me one piece of legislation that McCain has sponsored that he still stands behind. Immigration? Nope. Campaign Finance? Try again.
You think the media loves Obama and hates McCain? Ask CBS why it edited its clip about McCain being wrong on the Anbar Awakening. Ask any media outlet why its not challenging McCain's "Obama would rather lose a war than a campaign memo." Why haven't any of the media covered John McCain leaving his injured wife and having an affair in any kind of depth?
What about his double talk on the surge:
McCain: “First of all, a surge is really a counterinsurgency strategy, and it’s made up of a number of components. And this counterinsurgency was initiated to some degree by Colonel McFarland in Anbar province relatively on his own. When I visited with him in December of 2006, he had already initiated that strategy in Ramadi by going in and clearing and holding in certain places. That is a counterinsurgency. And he told me at that time that he believed that that strategy, which is, quote, the surge, part of the surge, would be successful. So then, of course, it was very clear that we needed additional troops in order to carry out this counterinsurgency.”
Why hasn't the media picked up on McCain's attack of Obama's holocaust memorial statement? Or this statement about Veteran's Healthcare:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_mccain_healthcare_072208/
Or this from the same article:
"While McCain’s votes — particularly votes against increasing the VA budget — have sometimes left him at odds with some veterans and major veterans’ service organizations, the political action committee of Veterans of Foreign Wars, the nation’s largest group of combat veterans, has endorsed McCain for every election since 1984, according to FactCheck.org"
You want to talk about "do nothing?" McCain missed 10 of the 14 Iraq votes in 2007.
Please, if you classify Obama's rhetoric as empty, add substance to your own.
"Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done."
Good gosh!! That tired old Fuehrer reference...again!! There's not a single right-wing hack out there who has an original thought!! I swear...do they share a brain? Stein had the brain yesterday - who gets it today? I'd thought the Borg were just a sci-fi concept, but hive mentality is the only way to explain these right-wingers!
Poor Mega Dittos and Great Americans. Nobody gives a crap about their loony idea of what conservatism is and they are feeling blue. And it's clear to anyone with a brain that McCain supporters and "supporters" are extremely jealous. Four years ago you all would have had Dubya give his speech on top of a mountain if it were feasible.
belated chiming in on this one:Hve not read all the posts.
to wit: How come Beck is not on Fox Network?
also
"ego deficit problems and they try to cure them by having lots of worship and adulation and adoration."
sort of like Actor/Lawyer/Financial Analysts
and promptly got to emails.
One, an automated response.
and
2 a Spam Phishing email.
Back to Stein,
You know the Rollings Stones, and the Rev. Billy Graham have presented
their offerings to huge, huge crowds. I wonder if Stein would consider Billy
Graham a Nazi?
Why would the first spectre for Stein to raise against Obama and analogy
to Nazism...I would defy him to defend himself on this abysmally sick garbage.
Oh goodness you guys are precious. I can just see your little red faces as you pound angrily on the keyboard to defend your new overlord, Herr Obama.
Honestly i kind of hope obama gets elected just so i can say i told you so in four years when all of your problems aren't solved, we aren't prancing with unicorns in meadows and enjoying instant free health care, corruption is gone, we're all millionaires, and there are no wars or terrorists and we all speak esperanto.
You democrats are adorable, keep it up.
Hey JerkPorkins,
How has your man Bush done for 7 years? Everything is better, right?
Skep, Bush never promised us the unicorns like Obama has.I plan to hold him to that one.If I don't have a unicorn in 2012, I'm voting the bum out.
Talk about adorable. Con's like Porkjerker live with their hilariously low standards for their own GOP clowns, but plan to say "I told you so!" if a Dem doesn't deliver a list of mythical creatures and fantasy accomplishments. It must be a very difficult time for those 20(?)%ers to be clinging to their wingnut handbooks.
You miss the point ______________completely_______________.
The fact that Stein utters inane comments has nothing to do with Obama.
He owns that all by himelf.
Your comments are a complete non sequitur
I am begining to think you might _not_ be one of those "honest folks"
to which "News" guy... from the other twisted network... what's his name...right, Bill O'Reilly often refers
And just for the record people: Billy Graham is not a Nazi.
If you think that Obama is a Nazi, then you, for that absurdity, must also think that George Bush-2 is a war criminal...shame on you for thinking that as well! Regardless of one's position on the fiasco in Iraq, it is an absurd claim. I demand you take it back, sir.
Sadly, you have only proved that this country deserves the reaming it's getting from the rightwing media
hmm, a little over the top here, perhaps
Get over it.
Thanks, I feel better now.
Barack is running a campaign based on the cult of personality. This is dangerous.
I am not calling him a Nazi, but he is using tactics similar to them.
Just stating a fact.
I am not calling you an idiot, but you are using tactics similar to them.
Just stating a fact.
''Barack is running a campaign based on the cult of personality.''
I'm just guessing his campaign is NOT based on a cult of personality. Your first sentence removes the need to read further.
Many in the cable news racket have likened Obama to Hitler, Mao, and Mussolini, Stalin and others. This is serious garbage. If I ran a network I would fire a broadcaster for such stupidity.
Why not liken him to a rock star, or an evangelical preacher?
They always go first to Nazis and Communists...ironic considering the apoplexy they display when George Bush is likened to a Nazi.
Is this jealousy, because, you have to admit, (what ever your politics), McCain's social and oratory skills leave a lot to be desired?
Last time I looked, holding a campaign rally at a football stadium was the kind of thing George Bush would do.
http://www.whitespringsnews.com/showarticle.php?filez=./news/20041024091139.news
50,000 people at Alltel Stadium in Jacksonville, Florida. Gogo double standards.
75,000 cheering people should be a hint that they like Obama. As far as “it's scarily authoritarian” take a look at what Bush has done. He has become unaccountable for he’s acts and “We the people” have become subordinates. So I’m glad there are 75,000 wildly cheering people. I think Sten the only one with ego deficit problems
Glenn Beck and Ben Stein subext: "Oooo, the big scary black man is gonna take over. Oooo, look out! He's gonna, he's gonna... uh, we don't know what he's gonna do exactly, but it's gonna be scary. Mark our words. Be afraid. Be very afraid everybody...and tune in tomorrow where we will continue to stoke your latent and not so latent fears with special guest..."
Sen. Clinton, good Democrat that she is, also snarkily critized Obama's well-attended events: "Enough with the big rallies." (Clinton always sounds like she's repremanding Obama as if he were a child: "Shame on you Barack Obama." Obama just may name her vp, according to the Corleone Credo of keeping your friends close but your enemies closer. That may just be too close).
But I digress. Obama consistantly has demonstrated the ability to remain unflappable amidst scurrilous attacks to his character. I expect an American Awakening, a national sea change among the stubbornly naive within the first twenty minutes of the first Obama-McCain debate (if McCain even shows up). After seeing McStumble, McBlink-Blink-Blink, even Stubbornville will have to confront their collective racism. (Well, they won't have to, in fact, being tenaciously-stubbornly naive, I imagine they will hold onto their hate-based souls to the death. But maybe, hopefully, some of their offspring will break ranks; the ones not born out of incest).