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CBS News omitted a second McCain falsehood: his characterization of Iraq war as "the first major conflict since 9/11"

July 24, 2008 8:35 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In a second omission of a falsehood by Sen. John McCain during his interview with Katie Couric, the CBS Evening News did not air a statement in which McCain characterized the war in Iraq as "the first major conflict since 9/11," apparently disregarding the war in Afghanistan, which began in October 2001.

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On the July 22 broadcast of the CBS Evening News, while airing portions of an interview anchor Katie Couric conducted that day with Sen. John McCain, CBS News did not air McCain's response to a question in which he characterized the Iraq war as "the first major conflict since 9/11," apparently disregarding the war in Afghanistan, which Couric addressed in her question and which began in October 2001. As Media Matters for America and others documented, CBS News also did not air McCain's false assertion that the 2007 U.S. troop surge "began the Anbar Awakening" and instead aired spliced video of McCain's interview with Couric, expunging the false statement and tacking on a response he gave to a different question.

Couric asked: "Sen. [Barack] Obama also told me, Sen. McCain, that the money spent on those additional troops, on the surge, might have been more effective had it gone to Afghanistan or even to a better energy policy in the United States. What's your response?" McCain replied: "The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world." In fact, nearly a year and a half before the Iraq war, the United States initiated Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) in order to "counter terrorism and bring security to Afghanistan." According to the Department of Defense, 554 Americans had lost their lives as a result of OEF and 2,257 had been wounded as of July 19.

In an entry on the Huffington Post website headlined "Another John McCain Gaffe -- Iraq Was the First Major Conflict After 9/11," Cenk Uygur wrote:

There is one more John McCain gaffe that the media missed from the now famous CBS interview with Katie Couric.

This is the same interview in which McCain claimed the surge led to the Anbar Awakening, which is demonstrably false.

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Was Afghanistan not major enough for him?

From the transcript of Couric's interview with McCain posted on CBSNews.com:

Couric: Sen. Obama also told me, Sen. McCain, that the money spent on those additional troops, on the surge, might have been more effective had it gone to Afghanistan or even to a better energy policy in the United States. What's your response?

McCain: The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world.

Thanks to a great general, thanks to a lot of courage and bravery on the part of American men and women in the military, we succeeded. And we are on the path to an honorable withdrawal and ... victory. Not having to return, as Sen. Obama said we might have to, if his strategy of straight dates for withdrawal didn't succeed.

So, of course it's been enormous sacrifice. And Americans are all saddened by it. But the consequences of failure would have been devastating. And that would have been the result if we had done what Sen. Obama wanted to do. Which would have meant our troops were out by last March, much less anytime soon, according to an arbitrary date.

And, again, the future is bright for the people of Iraq. The future is bright for stability in the region, for strengthening our alliances and succeeding in Afghanistan. And it's gonna be long and hard and tough struggle. If we had done what Sen. Obama had wanted, we would have been defeated. Now, we have the chance and opportunity for a very bright future.

From the July 22 broadcast of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric, showing the full extent of Couric's interview with McCain that was actually aired:

[video clip]

COURIC: Senator McCain, Senator Obama says while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni Awakening and the Shiite government going after militias and says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?

McCAIN: Senator Obama has indicated by his failure to acknowledge the success of the surge that he would rather lose a war than lose a campaign. Thanks to General [David] Petraeus, our leadership and the sacrifice of brave young Americans. I mean, to deny that their sacrifice didn't make possible the success of the surge in Iraq, I think does a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed. There will still be attacks. Al Qaeda's not defeated. But the progress has been immense, and to not recognize that and why it happened and how it happened, I think is really quite a commentary.

COURIC: A commentary on what?

McCAIN: That Senator Obama does not understand the challenges we face, and he did not understand the need for the surge. And the fact that he did not understand that and still denies that it has succeeded, I think the American people will make a judgment.

COURIC: Senator Obama describes Afghanistan as the central front in the war on terror. That is where, after all, Senator, 9-11 was plotted. Why do you believe Iraq is the central front in the war on terror?

McCAIN: Well, one reason is, is because that's what Osama bin Laden said that it was. He said, "Go to the country of the two rivers." That's what General Petraeus says, who I think is extremely knowledgeable, that it is the central battleground. And Afghanistan is very tough. And there's a number of great challenges there. And we have to employ the same strategy there that succeeded in Iraq. And we can succeed there. Now that we've succeeded in Iraq, obviously we will be freeing up troops to go to Afghanistan, and we will urge our NATO allies to send more troops and be more involved as well. We can succeed.

But, you see, Senator Obama doesn't understand -- it's not just troops; it's an overall strategy. It's not just two or three brigades. It's also increased engagement on the part of our NATO allies. But I guarantee you, if we had failed in Iraq and been defeated in Iraq, our challenges in Afghanistan would have been dramatically complicated and worsened.

COURIC: Senator McCain, you sound very frustrated with Senator Obama's perspective.

McCAIN: No, I'm not at all. I respect Senator Obama. I admire his success. He's just has been wrong and is wrong, and therefore, I strongly disagree, and I think the American people will make a judgment about who was right.

[end video clip]

COURIC: The numbers do indicate that Iraq became much safer during the surge. Civilian deaths are down from 2,000 last August to 490 this past June. Attacks against coalition forces, down from 1,500 a week in June of 2007 to about 200 a week now. That's an 80 percent drop. And fewer U.S. troops were killed in May and June in Iraq than in Afghanistan.

I'll be back in a little while with more from the Middle East, but first, here's Harry Smith back in New York. Harry.

SMITH: Thanks, Katie.

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    • Author by mr. l (July 24, 2008 8:53 pm ET)
         
      'Thanks, Katie!'... for nothing.  And, 'go to the country with two rivers...'?  Well, hell, that OBVIOUSLY means Iraq, so invade in post haste, please!
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 25, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
           

        Did the US ever declare war on Iraq, you know, with all the pomp and circumstace typical of such event ????

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    • Author by mefirst (July 24, 2008 9:03 pm ET)
         
      confusing wars, non existant borders.  petty details.
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    • Author by Governor (July 24, 2008 9:18 pm ET)
         
      This guy is clueless.  He simply would not have gotten this far w/o media's constant cleansing.  "Thanks, Katie, please delete whatever parts I screwed up."
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 25, 2008 11:56 pm ET)
           
        I am trying to think how the dilution of republican votes split during the primaries. Giullianni decided Florida was a nice vacation spot for his wife while the main three McCain, Romney and Huckabee were fighting it out. The Dobson followers had a hard time with Romney. Huckabee had some skeletons in the closet and Mccain suddenly found a sitload of money towards the end. Romney probably had a powwow with his family regarding his kids inheritance and maybe had a whisper from Mccain about the vice presidents job opening..
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 24, 2008 9:25 pm ET)
         

      The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world.

      I can tell you right now how McCain and his people are going to spin this. They are going to conflate the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq as THE WAR ON ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISM. It's all one war, they're going to say...just different fronts of the same war.

      The pattern has been set. When McCain screws up or when they have a flawed argument, they redefine words. THE SURGE! now includes the Anbar Awakening as part of the same counter-insurgency, they now say. There is only one continuing war on terror...even if we invade Iran.  Get it?

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      • Author by Governor (July 24, 2008 9:36 pm ET)
           
        It's all just so absurd.  Is this really the best the GOP can do?  Seriously, I'm an armchair pundit w/ a bad attitude and a low-paying job and it's the total truth that I'd make a better president than this guy.
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      • Author by snoopy (July 25, 2008 11:23 am ET)
           
        Surprise! Here's mclame doing pretty much just that. It's only fitting that he's doing it standing in front of a cheese rack...
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        • Author by Craig (July 25, 2008 11:43 am ET)
             
          What part of the surge began before the surge don't you understand?
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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 26, 2008 12:04 am ET)
               
            Yeah I know. the old phart is now telling us who have to hear him the surge is the summation of many things, including some misterious feelings we are supposed to embrace. I hope they have a great set of doctors in the White House if McCain gets elected.
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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 26, 2008 12:07 am ET)
               
            Yeah I know. the old phart is now telling us who have to hear him the surge is the summation of many things, including some misterious feelings we are supposed to embrace. I hope they have a great set of doctors in the White House if McCain gets elected.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 26, 2008 12:00 am ET)
           
        I don't remember George W Bush, who is the real commander-in-chief today and ior the next 5 months,  ever conflating the surge with anything else but to kick a$$ of Al-Quada operating in Iraq alone..
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    • Author by vysotsky (July 24, 2008 10:12 pm ET)
         
      Ok right-wing blowhard talkers, this is a tough one but I think you're up to it. I'm guessing it will take you a week to work out how you'll spin this into an example of liberal bias by the liberal media. It may involve some serious convolutions and distortions, but you can probably pitch this as an unfair strategy to embarrass McCain: Why, if only Couric had confronted him on these blunders at the time, then he would have had a chance to defend himself and explain! But no, instead, the transcript was leaked to MMFA, and those fascists started using decontextualized snippets of the 'original' transcript to unfairly bash our next president!
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (July 25, 2008 1:05 am ET)
           
        Some have probably been working on a Savage-type explanation, but it just won't sound right not coming from Michael the Dolt.
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    • Author by robrob (July 24, 2008 11:05 pm ET)
         
      Basically McCain is underinformed and (possibly because of his age) unable to learn even when corrected. That might be endearing in your Grandpa but not in a prospective leader of the world's sole superpower.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 25, 2008 1:24 am ET)
           

        Ageist monster !!!

        I'm thinking maybe Afghanistan wasn't a major conflict because most Americans supported it.There was less conflict here about it.

        Or maybe by "major" he's talking about the gross profits. I may be wrong, but I don't think all the BushCo contractors robbed us as badly there as in the ensuing Iraq bonanza.

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    • Author by mari2jj2970 (July 25, 2008 1:49 am ET)
         
      Now, now you know that is expecting McCain to remember details like that that are so old.  It would cause overload on his brain.  As it is, he mucks names of countries, contiguous countries and now, he even forgets the details of the surge, ie you know, what happened and when did it happen.  sSlly stuff like that.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 25, 2008 2:25 am ET)
           

        Mari, you reminded me of another funny one I heard today (I was out meeting some Clients and had to listen to righty radio after Obama's speeches in Germany. Sorry, couldn't resist)

        A caller to Michael Medved got through and mentioned McCains Iraq/Pakistan border blooper. Medved, who paints himself as a well-informed intellectual, insisted that he hadn't heard that, and was "pretty sure" that McCain never said that.Then he went on, trying to pass off some BS about the countries being connected by policy, as if Grampy was speaking about a more figurative connection. Priceless!

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        • Author by neondesert (July 25, 2008 10:53 am ET)
             

          You're just not used to seeing borders that are wider than they are long.  The Iraq/Pakistan border is just a really, really thick border.

          With border-dwellers.

          Who call themselves Iranians...

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 25, 2008 11:35 am ET)
               
            It didn't occur to me until now, but could grampy have been referring to the Borders bookstores in the two countries? Come on media, find out if there's a Borders location in Iraq or Pakistan! You can still get the save for your boy Grampy!.
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            • Author by neondesert (July 25, 2008 12:06 pm ET)
                 

              Or maybe he was talking about the Iraq/Pakistan boarders.

              I realize that they're only living in those areas because of the generosity of the U.S., but most folks don't really see them as just boarders.  Perhaps referring to them as Iraqis and Pakistanis would have avoided the confusion.

              By the way, the folks in the Fallujah suite are still complaining about the plumbing, and they need more towels.

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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 25, 2008 12:43 pm ET)
                   

                Even more likely, Neon.A homonym problem for the McCain hating media. The line in question was transcribed as; 

                "...it’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border.”

                Border, or boarder, singular. It may only be one person, and the situation "on" them. It could just be lousy surf conditions in the Persian gulf, and the struggle of the Iraq-Pakistan boarder.Or an Iraqi/Pakistani person who cares for pets of vacationing customers.

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                • Author by neondesert (July 25, 2008 1:01 pm ET)
                     

                  "A homonym problem for the McCain hating media."

                  I don't know why you decided to change the subject and discuss alternative lifestyles, Col.  But frankly, I think the media has been more than fair with the homonyms, slobbering and fawning all over them.

                  Aside from that, what you're saying about a "singular boarder" makes a lot of sense.  Thank goodness we have the internets to exchange tubefulls of ideas like this.

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    • Author by wzwriter (July 25, 2008 8:18 am ET)
         
      It's time for Katie Couric to go back to softball fluff interviews on "Today".  They're more her speed.....
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 25, 2008 10:49 am ET)
           
        Katie Couric can go 'surge' herself for all I care. Ever since Dan Rather was 'eased out' of his chair, The CBS Evening News has been a disaster.
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      • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
           
        Actually, Katie Couric should just become the media spokeshag for the Republican National Committee.  Katie is a right wing Republican hate hag, and she's been showing favoritism to Republicans at GOP-GE-NBC and at GOP-Viacom-CBS.
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    • Author by IowaLib (July 25, 2008 11:02 am ET)
         

      It looks like McCain will continue the Bush tradition of rewriting history to fit his needs, and now he has CBS on the J-team along with ABC and Fox.

      And look at this bit of sloppy reportage: 

      "And fewer U.S. troops were killed in May and June in Iraq than in Afghanistan,"  says Katie.... Oh yeah, I'll leave off the fact that the Taliban is picking up strength in Afghanistan and that may be why the numbers are up in Afghanistan --- the two figures have no connection, Katie, so what is the comparison supposed to prove? Idiot!

       

       

       

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    • Author by Craig (July 25, 2008 11:18 am ET)
         

      Wait, is McCain saying there is a major conflict in Iraq?

      From Meet the Press last year (via Think Progress):

      RUSSERT: Go back, Senator, to 2002. The administration saying we would be greeted as liberators. John McCain saying you thought success would be fairly easy.

      MCCAIN: It was.

      RUSSERT: In all honesty…

      MCCAIN: It was easy, it was easy. I said the military operation would be easy. It was easy. We were greeting as liberators. Look at the films of when we rolled into Baghdad.

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    • Author by shaggles (July 25, 2008 11:24 am ET)
         

      Much more important than McCain calling Iraq the first major conflict since 9/11 is this:

      "We were losing the war in Iraq."

      Where were you 2 years ago McCain?  Didn't Harry Reid get pilloried for suggesting that we were losing the war?  I don't recall McCain jumping to his defense then. 

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    • Author by snoopy (July 25, 2008 12:41 pm ET)
         
      OT, but looks like Savage just got kicked off of another radio station. Go Cleveland!
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      • Author by snoopy (July 25, 2008 12:56 pm ET)
           

        And here's one for all of you out there who like to keep bringing up your petty little "fact" about Bill Clinton letting Bin Laden go when he was in Ethiopia:

        GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba — Soon after Osama bin Laden's driver got here in 2002, he told interrogators the identity of the al Qaeda chief's most senior bodyguard — then a fellow prison camp detainee.

        But, inexplicably, the U.S. let the bodyguard go.

        This startling information was revealed in the fourth day of the war crimes trial of Salim Hamdan, 37, facing conspiracy and material support for terror charges as an alleged member of bin Laden's inner circle.

        Amazing, wasn't that? Bush actually had the guy in custody and let him go. How's that for incompetance?

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        • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 25, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
             
          What does that have to do with the fact that Clinton let Obama slip through his hands in Ethiopia? The Clinton administration f'd up in that regard.  Pointing to someone else's failure is no excuse
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          • Author by Craig (July 25, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
               

            That Obama sure is crafty!

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          • Author by snoopy (July 25, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
               
            Obama, eh? Boy, no wonder the right wing is on the outs...
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            • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 25, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
                 

              Aw man, I am an idiot!!

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              • Author by mefirst (July 25, 2008 5:52 pm ET)
                   
                you meant osama, of course.  and it was not ethiopia, of course.  it was sudan.  get your talking points straight, because that is a big one.  completely bogus, of course.  because at the time, 1996, there was no indictment of bin laden in this country and nothing more than a good suspicion that he was financing terrorist groups.  if you can explain to me how clinton could have him brought here without an indictment, i would like to hear it.  clinton did try to have sudan hand him over to saudi arabia, since he was a saudi citizen and they might have jailed him.  but the saudis wouldn't take him.  and then of course, you have bush, who said that he was "not on point" about bin laden prior to 9-11. 
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              • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
                   
                You said it, not us!
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          • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
               
            What about the fact that THE BUSH CABAL and the Bin Ladens have been international business collusionaries for 36 years, and that Osama and W. Bush are best friends?  Tell me how you justify Liar Bush's and THE BUSH CABAL's ongoing collusion with the Bin Ladens and their Saudi backers.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 25, 2008 1:21 pm ET)
         

      I give it 5 stars!

      Above the usual willful ignorance and general incompitance displayed by this golden star of neocon imperialism!

      I laughed, I cried, It changed my life forever! I look forward to his end.

      In a strictly nonhomophilic way.

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    • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 25, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
         

      This data is another telling indication of the glaring liberal bias in the main stream media. What's amazing is that the polls are still so close, in spite of the incessant hero worship that media figures direct towards saint Obama on the news everyday.

      http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

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      • Author by neondesert (July 25, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
           

        More evidence that those closest to the source and with the most information favor liberals.

        Makes a person almost ashamed to claim to be conservative, doesn't it?

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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (July 25, 2008 2:25 pm ET)
           

        Interesting, Thomp, but a more revealing study would be about those producing the stories and those who set the agenda for the networks and their contributions to political parties.

        I also would like to see the contributions of the anchorpeople and those who bring the news to us, not merely those who work in media.

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        • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 25, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
             
          Fried, the anchors in the mainstream and cable media wear their liberal bias on their sleaves.  When they announce that Obama's a rock star who makes their legs tingle, I don't need to see their income taxes to see to whose favor they're gonna slant their coverage.  Only the anchors on the Fair and Balanced network seem to maintain any objectivity, upholding at least some journalistic integrity.  As I said before though, the blatant media bias towards Obama could wind up helping the Maverick with his right wing base
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          • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 25, 2008 2:59 pm ET)
               

            "Only the anchors on the Fair and Balanced network seem to maintain any objectivity, upholding at least some journalistic integrity."

            That has got to be the most hilarious thing I have read this week. Thanks for the laugh.

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          • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
               
            Thomp, you are telling the most hilarious big lies about the media being liberal, which is a LIE because you and other lying right wingers know the media is conservative, and your calling the Fox Lies Channel fair and balanced when they are biased and slanted, is the most hilarious big lie of all.
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (July 25, 2008 7:52 pm ET)
               
            Well-played satire, Thomp!  You are a gem :).  The same man who said Obama made his leg tingle has said some pretty outrageous things about Obama since and has also admitted that the Press is McCain's base :).
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      • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
           

        "This data is another telling indication of the glaring liberal bias in the main stream media."

        More conservative think tanks putting up contrived and concocted studies and research to try to back up their big lie about the media being liberal, and it is a big lie.  The media is right wing conservative.

        Liar McCain's Media, as Crooks & Liars http://www.crooksandliars.com so accurately calls them, has TONS of stories debunking these lying conservatives!  The Daily Howler http://www.dailyhowler.com has in their archives stoires about how reporters ADMITTED to favoring Liar Bush in 2000, and how these right wing conservative reporters AND their right wing conservative media bosses wanted Liar Bush to win in 2000, and how the conservative news media showed favoritism to Liar Bush in BOTH 2000 and 2004.

        Add to that, the RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE GOP-Viacom-CBS and their right wing Republican Hate Hag Katie Couric, whitewashed Liar McCain's lies from her "interview" because both Couric and GOP-Viacom-CBS want Liar McCain to be the president.

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    • Author by LarryE (July 25, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
         

      He said, "Go to the country of the two rivers."

      I don't think that's the exact quote, but bin Laden did say something to that effect. What Sen. McCain conveniently forgets is that when bin Laden said that, US troops were already in Iraq and it was said as an expression of support for the insurgency against US occupation.

      Which means it not only confirms that al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion, it also means that to whatever extent Iraq is "the central front in the War on Terror(reg.)(c)(pat.pand.)," it's because we made it such.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 25, 2008 2:21 pm ET)
           
        Maybe he meant, "Go to the stadium of the three rivers." This country would be much better off if W had just taken in a ball game.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 25, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
         

      The same thing has been brought up by Wesley, I believe. This years data? Lotta people giving demcratic that are new to doing so this year. 

      Where's the meat? An example on the media carrying though a liberal stance in the face of criticis to sucess in the national dielectic?

      LINO's?

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    • Author by temphandle anise57conifer (July 25, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
         

      It's obvious BOTH McCain and CFR Couric are liars and liars by omission and Couric is as despicable as they come w/ her PROPAGANDA , "Sen. McCain you seem frustrated w/ Sen . Obama " worst than a softball question , a leading statement to emphasize his disdain for Obama's positions .

      CBS and CFR couric did a great job also juxtaposing images in the background of troops marching gallantly into " victory " , which really means a better OCCUPATION , what McCain is to cowardly to say . The GRAPH was ready to go after the interview , provided by CBS to confirm JM's allegations , yet civilian deaths HAVE TO be higher, because they don't include the high street crime , kidnapping and rapes that all shot up over 300 % .  She also failed to acknowledge Electricity is out most of the time , Sewage is causing illness and deaths to children and old . Unemployment is over 50% . 

      Council on Foreign Relations CBS & Couric are in the tank for McCain and so is most of the other parrots in the media and w/o an honest media , Obama will LOOSE , he will LOOSE . Also bcs he's allowing McSame to label him with the scurrilous statement " he's rather lose the war and win the election " , so if OBAMA doesn't t take off the gloves and shoot down that baseless charge , it's over ba - by . But the real problem for Obama he's arguing the same side of the coin, both want a continuous occupation of Iraq . Hence why Obama never says he wants a complete withdrawal , just " combat troops ' which are only about 30 % of occupation forces , leaving over 100,000 including many many mercenaries .

      Read or watch pres. Richard Haass of the CFR.org says about SOVEREIGNTY and watch his interview w/ Katie Couric on youtube . She never brings it up , but shows you how thew CFR CABAL is infecting the news

        Remember this the NEOCONS will get 110% from McCain and even though Obama says " we need troops in Iraq to protect out interests " and " pull combat troops out of Iraq " to move to Afghanistan, to spread more death and destruction , he's still not fully trusted by the neocons . 

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 25, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
         

      Yeah,  This is the guy who knows how to win wars... at least when he remembers which ones we're fighting in. 

      AND YES, THAT IS A KNOCK ON HIS AGE, BECAUSE THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THIS OTHER THAN SENILITY IS STUPIDITY.

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    • Author by see it real (July 25, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
         
      There has been more whitewashing from both Republican Hate Hag katie Couric and GOP-Viacom-CBS this past week than all the washing done at the nation's laundromats for the past year!
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