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Harwood calls McCain's willingness to consider raising Social Security taxes -- contradicting "no new taxes" pledge -- "candor" and "truth-telling"

July 30, 2008 1:36 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On MSNBC, John Harwood described Sen. John McCain's apparent willingness to consider raising Social Security taxes -- a reversal from his previously stated position that there would be "no new taxes" in a McCain administration -- as an example of McCain's engaging in "truth-telling" and "candor." Harwood added: "That's the Straight Talk Express, which people got to know so well about John McCain in 2000."

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New York Times political writer and CNBC chief Washington correspondent John Harwood described Sen. John McCain's apparent willingness to consider raising Social Security taxes -- a reversal from his previously stated position -- as an example of the candidate engaging in "truth-telling" and "candor." McCain recently backed away from a "no new taxes" pledge by saying "nothing's off the table" in seeking a solution to achieve the long-term solvency of Social Security during the July 27 edition of ABC's This Week. Indeed, after host George Stephanopoulos asked if "payroll taxes are on the table," McCain responded: "There is nothing that's off the table. I have my positions, and I'll articulate them. But nothing's off the table." But while McCain had previously pledged there would be "no new taxes" in a McCain administration, Harwood said of McCain's newfound "candor": "That's the Straight Talk Express, which people got to know so well about John McCain in 2000."

During the July 28 edition of MSNBC Live, anchor David Shuster reported that "John McCain yesterday, as you know, was asked about fixing Social Security and the prospect of raising the payroll tax, and McCain said everything is on the table." Shuster continued: "Well, conservatives are aghast, because that very position by Obama is what Republicans base their charge that Obama will raise taxes. What's been the fallout today for McCain with his conservative base?" Responding to Shuster's question, Harwood asserted that McCain's shift in position "might provide some countervailing help with -- for him in the middle of the electorate, some of those independents he's trying to reach out to, because that's truth-telling from John McCain." Harwood added: "That's the Straight Talk Express, which people got to know so well about John McCain in 2000." Harwood later added: "[I]t's a risky position for John McCain to take politically, especially with a conservative base, but it's also one of candor."

In contrast with Harwood's opinion that McCain's reversal constituted an act of "truth-telling," the Associated Press reported in a July 28 article that McCain "drew a sharp rebuke Monday from conservatives after he signaled an openness to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, contrary to previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind." The report further noted that McCain's apparent flip "drew a strong response Monday from the Club for Growth, a Washington anti-tax group. McCain's comments, the group said in a letter to the Arizona senator, are 'shocking because you have been adamant in your opposition to raising taxes under any circumstances.' "

Further undermining Harwood's assertion that McCain's stated willingness to consider raising Social Security taxes constituted "truth-telling," McCain reportedly backtracked two days later, and in a "bit of political fence-mending" after he "had angered some fiscal conservatives" with his comment, McCain once again vowed not to raise taxes, according to a July 30 article in the Los Angeles Times. From the Times article:

Across the country, in Nevada, Republican John McCain engaged in a similar bit of political fence-mending. Appearing at a town hall meeting in Sparks, he flatly ruled out raising taxes if elected president.

"I think the worst thing that could happen to America in these very tough economic times is to raise someone's taxes," McCain said in response to a question. "I won't do it."

McCain had angered some fiscal conservatives by seeming to suggest in recent interviews that he would consider higher payroll taxes to fund Social Security. The Club for Growth, an anti-tax group, sent an open letter Monday expressing concern about McCain's comments, and the Obama campaign piled on by asserting that McCain had flip-flopped on the question.

The Arizona senator addressed the matter when a small girl in the audience at Reed High School asked him if he would raise taxes as president. He drew whoops and cheers from the audience of several hundred with a one-word response: "No."

Later, at a private fundraiser on the east shore of Lake Tahoe, McCain alluded to that. "Some people say, 'Well, McCain says he wants to sit down and work these issues out,' " he told donors. "Of course I do, but I have a clear record of opposing tax increases, and I'll stand by that record."

From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the July 28 edition of MSNBC Live:

SHUSTER: Now it's time for the focus on the U.S. economy. John McCain was touring an oil field and Barack Obama met with top economic advisers this afternoon, this as the battle heats up over who will be commander in chief of the sagging U.S. economy. Here is some of what we've heard today.

OBAMA [video clip]: -- an energy policy that doesn't just reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but creates millions of new high wage jobs from our investment in renewable sources of energy.

McCAIN [video clip]: Senator Obama opposes offshore drilling. He opposes reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel. He -- he -- he opposes storage of spent nuclear fuel, and so he is the Dr. No of the -- America's energy future.

SHUSTER: John Harwood is CNBC's chief Washington correspondent and a political writer for The New York Times, and he joins us from outside where Obama's been meeting with his all-star team of economic advisers today. And John, was -- was Obama simply listening to his advisers, or is he offering specifics as to what he thinks needs to be done to help the economy?

HARWOOD: I just spoke, David, to Governor Jon Corzine of New Jersey, former head of Goldman Sachs, the big Wall Street investment firm. He said Barack Obama was purely in listening mode today. Of course he's been running, as you know, David, on a set of tax spending trade policies for months now. He gave no indication he was going to change those policies, but he was going around the room listening to people -- business, labor, the head of Google, you had Bob Rubin, the former Treasury secretary, Paul Volcker, former Federal Reserve chairman -- all these people providing input for Barack Obama. And I think part of it was the reassurance that Barack Obama hopes will be conveyed by those presidential-looking images of him sitting around the table, being counseled by these very wise economic figures, David.

SHUSTER: And John, on the other side, John McCain yesterday, as you know, was asked about fixing Social Security and the prospect of raising the payroll tax, and McCain said everything is on the table. Well, conservatives are aghast, because that very position by Obama is what Republicans base their charge that Obama will raise taxes. What's been the fallout today for McCain with his conservative base?

HARWOOD: Well, it's a problem with his conservative base. It might provide some countervailing help with -- for him in the middle of the electorate, some of those independents he's trying to reach out to, because that's truth-telling from John McCain. That's the Straight Talk Express, which people got to know so well about John McCain in 2000, because most people, David, know that if you're really going to solve Social Security, you've got to do something on the spending side, which John McCain has already indicated he is willing to do, and on the tax side. So far Barack Obama has only indicated that he's willing to raise that cap on the payroll tax. He hasn't signaled anything that he's willing to do on the spending side, so it's a risky position for John McCain to take politically, especially with a conservative base, but it's also one of candor. We'll see whether Barack Obama responds with any different tack of his own on that issue.

From the July 27 edition of ABC's This Week:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Social Security -- you're a longtime supporter of the private accounts, as President Bush called for them.

McCAIN: I am a supporter of sitting down together and putting everything on the table and coming up with an answer. So, there is nothing I would take off the table. There was nothing I would demand. I think that's the way that Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did it. And that's what we have to do again.

STEPHANOPOULOS: In the past you said there was essentially -- you told The Wall Street Journal --

McCAIN: No, I have said and will say -- I will say that everything has to be on the table, if we're going to reach a bipartisan agreement. I've been in bipartisan negotiations before. I know how you reach a conclusion. We all have to sit down together with everything on the table.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, that means payroll tax increases are on the table as well?

McCAIN: There is nothing that's off the table. I have my positions, and I'll articulate them. But nothing's off the table. I don't want tax increases. Of course I'd like to have young Americans have some of their money put into an account with their name on it. But that doesn't mean that anything is off the table --

STEPHANOPOULOS: With their payroll taxes diverted into accounts --

McCAIN: I say that everything is on the table that has to be on the table, the way Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did.

From the February 17 edition of ABC's This Week:

STEPHANOPOULOS: No. 1 issue right now, the economy.

McCAIN: Mm-hmm.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Obama went at that on Tuesday night as well.

OBAMA [video clip]: I admired Sen. McCain when he stood up and said that it offended his conscience to support the Bush tax cut for the wealthy in the time of war. [edit] But somewhere along the road to the Republican nomination, the Straight Talk Express lost its wheels because now he's is all for those same tax cuts.

STEPHANOPOULOS: He says basically you've sacrificed your principles for the sake of the nomination.

McCAIN: Well, for a long time I have said that I thought the tax cuts ought to be made permanent. For a long time back, I said, look, we've got to have spending restraint, the way that Reagan did when he restored our economy when it was in the tank, thanks to then-President Carter's mismanagement of the economy, and we entered into a great period of prosperity in America.

Spending restraint is why our base is not energized. Spending restraint is why we are having to borrow money from China, and we've got to have spending restraints, in my view. But to impose on the American people what essentially would be a tax increase of thousands of dollars per family in America is not something I think -- well, I'm sure it would be bad for the economy of this country.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So on taxes, are you a "read my lips" candidate -- no new taxes, no matter what?

McCAIN: No new taxes. I do not -- in fact, I could see an argument, if our economy continues to deteriorate, for lower interest rates, lower tax rates, and certainly decreasing corporate tax rates, which are the second-highest in the world, giving people the ability to write off depreciation in a year, elimination of the AMT [alternative minimum tax]. There's a lot of things that I would think we should to relieve that burden, including, obviously, as we all know, simplification of the tax code.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But under no circumstances would you increase taxes?

McCAIN: No.

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    • Author by tman418 (July 30, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
         
      Holy crap. If Obama did this, he would be called a godless, liberal, tax-raiser".
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      • Author by tman418 (July 30, 2008 1:41 pm ET)
           
        Not that being "liberal" is bad, and raising some taxes wouldn't be a bad idea either, like, DURING A WAR?!!
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        • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (July 30, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
             
          But if McCain raises taxes on me, how will I be able to afford my $520 shoes???  Does this mean I will have to sell one of my private jets to afford the McCain tax hike?
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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 30, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
               
            remember, this guy said he doesn't understand economics, and there is no proof Phil Gramm isn't talking to him privately.
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    • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
         

      On the down side, the stock for McCain has sunk even lower for me.....up side is it has probably risen a bit for liberals. 

      ;) 

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      • Author by neondesert (July 30, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
           
        Well, granted it DOES sound like he's willing to raise taxes up where we like them.  But until he cuts the ribbon on that parking garage at that new Phoenix abortion mega-clinic, he's not likely to eclipse Obamas popularity with us.
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        • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 2:09 pm ET)
             
          Funny stuff Neon, great response.
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          • Author by neondesert (July 30, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
               

            Thought I try to get it in before the inevitable insults started flying again.  You seem to be pre-occupied with the onslaught of them of late, and have lost the edge on your previous wingnuttiness...

            Don't get me wrong - I only did it for me.  I miss it.

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            • Author by neondesert (July 30, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
                 
              (Of course, I meant "defending yourself" against the onslaught of insults, which seems to have cost you your edge.)
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 30, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
         
      I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling a 72 year old cares what happens to social security for the rest of us,  with the same intensity as a 46 year old would. if jobs that pay into social security would stay in the US we probably wouldn't have this conversation.
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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (July 30, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
         
      Since when does "flip-flop" change to "candor"? Since when does blurting out whatever pops into his head become "truth-telling". And since when does unpredictable and crazy behavior transform McCain into a "maverick"? Also, since when does a silly, laughing, and completely uninformed moron become "presidential"? The late Jim Varney (Ernest Goes to College) could be taken more seriously.
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    • Author by historygeek001 (July 30, 2008 2:14 pm ET)
         
      So McCain reverses his position and is STILL called a "straight talker?"  WTF??  This is ridiculous!
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    • Author by jeter2 (July 30, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
         

      Harwood later added: "[I]t's a risky position for John McCain to take politically, especially with a conservative base, but it's also one of candor."

      Yes he's being very open about being a liar & flip-flopper. Ah what a maverick! ;-)

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    • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (July 30, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
         
      It's funny, because I don't remember John McCain flip-flopping back in 2000.  I think the straight-talk express has now become the double-talk express.  They might need to check the mud flaps on that bus, too, because there's slinging everywhere!
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      • Author by wzwriter (July 30, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
           

        They might need to check the mud flaps on that bus, too, because there's slinging everywhere!

        That's not mud that they're slinging around - it's bulls**t.

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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 30, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
             
          he stripped his differential gears. no more limited slip, it is now full slip.
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    • Author by eniobob2631 (July 30, 2008 2:34 pm ET)
         

      I read and article today where the"Club for Growth" a Washington anti-tax group sent a letter to JohnnyMac saying"shocking because you have been adamant in your opposition to raising taxes under any circumstances".

      I guess the club for growth didn't get the new memo from Johnny Mac.

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    • Author by JLyons (July 30, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
         
      If McCain had a D next to him, the smear mongers like Rush and Hannity would be calling him Dukakis, McGovern etc. 
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    • Author by shaggles (July 30, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
         

      Obama should put out a statement about McCain "finally coming around" or something (ala McCain's statement on Obama's supposed reversal on troop withdrawals.)

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    • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 3:00 pm ET)
         

      McCain mistakenly thought Harwood said he had dropped some silverware. Hence the reply, "Nothing's off the table".

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    • Author by jmh (July 30, 2008 3:04 pm ET)
         
      How is it possible that our politics continues to banter about the idea

      that taxes are inherently bad?

      Every administrationt, including Republican, has raised taxes despite their claims.

      Why are Republicans still able to use taxes as a political ploy or,more to the point, a con job?

      Why can't we debate the costs/benefit of taxes.

      Let us discuss fairnes in taxation.

      Or, let us discuss inefficiently deployed taxes.

      Or, let us discuss tax simplification... jeez... the notion that taxes are bad is just plain stupid.

      How many Americans does it take to screw in a light-bulb?
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      • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 3:11 pm ET)
           
        If the lightbulb is big enough... Two. 
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      • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
           
        Absolutely agree, it is a fair discussion that we are entitled to hear from those who spend OUR money.  But for politicians, it's more about clubbing the other side.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
             

          We're all being bled to death by taxes. Someone did a study and on average, and if I remember correctly, Americans pay more in taxes every year than on  food, housing and heating combined.

          If I were King, two things I'd do:

          I'd abolish payroll deduction. Once people see how much they pay, I do believe the politician gravy train would be over.

          Pass a balanced budget bill.

          All legislation would have a price tag associated with it and where the money would come from to pay for whatever is in the legislation.

          I'd like to see a flat tax. It can be progressive for all I care, but make it simple and get the IRS and accountants out of our pockets. 

          A requirement in the State of the Union speech for the POTUS to explain what the govenment spent our taxes on vs. what the government took in.  

          A spending freeze and a 10% cut across the board to pay down the debt.

          Oh.. and a small villa by the sea for the king..  :-)  

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          • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
               

            Great ideas Sir King.......but power hungry politicians use our money/taxes to stay in power and keep their greasy wheels greased.  Make them live like the rest of us do, when times are tough we cut our spending and reduce our expenses, they should do the same. 

            But it's always easier to spend someone else's money.

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            • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
                 

              good point.

              I'd cut Congressional Salaries in half and make them pay into Social Security like the rest of us.

              I'd do away with double dipping of pensions. 

              I'd remove revisions and inserts from the Congressional Record along with earmarks.

              I'd have a mandatory audit of each member of Congress each year, making public all their income, and the income of spouses and any relative working anywhere in the government or lobbies. 

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              • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 30, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
                   

                Instead of blabbering about things which they know so little about:

                Like taxes and spending, let's get back on focus.  I had no idea that Tommy and AnotherAmerican hated our troops and our senior citizens this much.  Advocating a 10% cut for our troops and our senior citizens shows the true bankruptcy of the conservative mind.  Millions of Americans have no other retirement except social security.  Tommy and AnotherAmerican would just kick 'em out on the street. 

                This was a great post by Media Matters.  When Grampy flip-flops (which is often), the corporate media move immediately to quiet any storm, and even to paint him as a "moderate."

                If Obama flip-flopped around like McCain he'd be absolutely crucified.  The double standard is glaring.

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                • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
                     
                  Well thank you for now going down Strawman Avenue with that post.  Admittedly, I hate our service men and women and I despise anyone over 65, or is 62, oh hell, all of them.  It's only young strappin' draftdodgers that I cozy up too anymore.  You got me.
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                  • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 30, 2008 5:07 pm ET)
                       

                    Oh, Tommy, Tom, Tommy..., 

                    The ones who really make you swoon are:

                    Old, elitist, conservative, chicken hawks.

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                    • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
                         
                      ahh, chicken hawks.......bakes up nicely at 325 degrees, served with cornbread stuffing and cranberry relish.
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                      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 30, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
                           

                        Tommy,

                        Your idea of "baking" chicken hawks at 325 degrees (I'm assuming you're advocating the gas chamber for chicken hawks), while I sympathize with it, it is a bit over the top.  Don't you think?

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                        • Author by eweston8542983 (July 30, 2008 7:48 pm ET)
                             

                          At 325 your under cooking your chickenhawk. Make it 425, support the bird on a rack and ad 1/2 cup of water at 15 minutes, continue 25-30 min.

                          You are brining your bird arn't you?

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                          • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 31, 2008 12:27 am ET)
                               

                            Thank you Ewe...

                            Have you been working with Chef Ramley? 

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                            • Author by eweston8542983 (July 31, 2008 12:09 pm ET)
                                 

                              Not sure, I tryed the procedure out of a poultry cookbook, It recomended half kosher salt half sugar brinning for an hour and a half for chicken parts.

                              The results were very good. Pearlene put out a fried chicken recipe that I've got to try sometime. Next up, a turkey breast for a few sandwiches and a big pot of chili. 

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                • Author by oscar the grouch (July 30, 2008 11:31 pm ET)
                     

                  8, you forgot the kids, don't forget the kids.

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              • Author by BottleBlonde (July 31, 2008 12:00 am ET)
                   

                If I explain to you how you're wrong about Social Security and Congress, will you promise that you and your know-nothing friends will stop with that lie? It hasn't been true since 1983, 25 years ago, that members of Congress don't pay into Social Security. How long does it have to be a LIE before you'll stop spreading that lie?

                http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcongress.htm

                Under a law enacted in 1983, all members of Congress both contribute to and receive benefits from the Social Security system. Upon retirement, members receive either a combination of federal pension and Social Security benefits or Social Security alone, depending upon when their term of service started and how they configured their individual plan.

                Members elected after 1983 pay into the Federal Employees Retirement System. Members elected before 1983 participate in the older Civil Service Retirement Program. In both cases, members of Congress contribute to the plans at a slightly higher rate than ordinary federal employees.

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                • Author by oscar the grouch (July 31, 2008 3:41 am ET)
                     
                  They should contribute at a higher rate, based on the retirement income they will receive from the plan.
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                  • Author by BottleBlonde (July 31, 2008 10:18 am ET)
                       

                    They do contribute at a higher rate. So what exactly was your point?

                    My point was that it's a lie to say that Congress doesn't contribute to Social Security. They do.

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          • Author by Craig (July 31, 2008 9:18 am ET)
               

            Bablanced budget, pay as you go, deficit reduction...

            You sound like a democrat. :-)

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    • Author by the Grey Path (July 30, 2008 3:05 pm ET)
         

      The most important book for our time?

      1984 by George Orwell

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    • Author by nananance (July 31, 2008 8:50 am ET)
         
      John Harwood, who appears on MSNBC almost every day, never has a negative comment regarding Sen. Barack Obama but the one remark he makes that's not totally unfavorable to Sen. John McCain is the one you choose to single out in mediamatters, a site I thought was devoted to looking at press bias on all sides.
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      • Author by BottleBlonde (July 31, 2008 10:23 am ET)
           

        John Harwood, who appears on MSNBC almost every day, never has a negative comment regarding Sen. Barack Obama but the one remark he makes that's not totally unfavorable to Sen. John McCain is the one you choose to single out in mediamatters, a site I thought was devoted to looking at press bias on all sides.

        • - nananance / Thursday July 31, 2008 8:50:09 AM EDT

        Once again, with feeling.

        This site points out information from the media that helps promote and defend the conservative agenda.

        If you thought that Media Matters looked at press bias, you're totally wrong. It never talks about what motivation might have led to the misinformation being disseminated. If you thought that Media Matters looked at all media misinformation, you need a new 'thinker'.

        How can you even pretend to understand what Media Matters is about if you're so wrong on so many levels?

        Harwood made a remark that makes John McCain look better than he should. It doesn't matter if he appears on MSNBC all day long. That makes no difference. It's the message, not the messenger!

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