Mike Gallagher pronounced Obamas "socialists," apparently because daughters get presents from Santa, not them
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SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Mike Gallagher falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama and his wife do not give Christmas and birthday presents to their daughters, saying it's "proof positive that this is a socialist family." Gallagher further claimed that as a result of what he falsely asserted was the Obamas' refusal to give their daughters birthday and Christmas presents, the Obamas' children "are going to have a lifetime of therapy" and are "going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents."
On the July 29 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, radio host Mike Gallagher falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, do not give Christmas and birthday presents to their daughters, and as a result of that, the Obamas' children "are going to have a lifetime of therapy" and are "going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents."
In his discussion with co-host Sean Hannity, Gallagher referred to a July 23 interview in People magazine with the Obamas, saying, "I mean, Sean, did you notice in the big cover story in People magazine this week? It was revealed that the Obamas don't believe in giving their children Christmas presents or birthday gifts," adding, "[W]e've been looking for proof that they're socialists. There it is. There's proof positive this is a socialist family. These children are going to have a lifetime of therapy to have to contend with." Later, Gallagher asserted: "I'm worried about these kids not getting Christmas and birthday presents," adding, "[T]hey're going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents."
Michelle Obama reportedly told People that she and her husband do not give their daughters, Malia and Sasha, birthday presents "because we spend hundreds of dollars on a birthday party and movie tickets and pizza and popcorn." According to People, she also said, referring to her daughters, "They get so much stuff that it just becomes numbing. Malia believes there is still a Santa Claus even though she's a little wary because some of her friends are non-believers. But Malia says, 'Ma, I know there is a Santa because there's no way you'd buy me all that stuff.' " From the interview:
People Magazine: Someone told me today that you don't do birthday presents.
Michelle: No, because we spend hundreds of dollars on a birthday party and movie tickets and pizza and popcorn ...
Barack: That sleepover is enough. We want to teach some limits to them. And their friends bring over presents.
Michelle: They get so much stuff that it just becomes numbing. Malia believes there is still a Santa Claus even though she's a little wary because some of her friends are non-believers. But Malia says, "Ma, I know there is a Santa because there's no way you'd buy me all that stuff." [Laughing]
From the July 29 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: So how did Senator Barack Obama's oversea trip resonate with voters? A brand-new USA Today/Gallup poll shows that only Democrats were impressed, with 53 percent calling the trip positive. Republicans overwhelmingly reject -- overwhelmingly rejected the trip, while 41 percent of independents held no opinion at all. The poll also reveals voters are twice as likely to classify media coverage of Obama as unfairly positive rather than unfairly negative, and in the case of McCain, the opposite is the truth, with many more seeing coverage of him as negative.
Joining us now, nationally syndicated radio talk show host Mike Gallagher, former [House Minority Leader Dick] Gephardt [D-MO] campaign manager Steve Elmendorf, and Washington Times columnist Tony Blankley.
Mike, you and I talk about this often on the radio. No big surprises here, especially in light of him, you know, abandoning the troop visit because the cameras weren't around -- allowed and the campaign wasn't allowed. I think this is a net negative for him in the end. Your thoughts?
GALLAGHER: Oh, it has to be. I mean, it's -- it's stunning that he's not -- doesn't have a commanding lead right now in the polls. But even with the fawning media coverage, the kernels of truth slip out. I mean, Sean, did you notice in the big cover story in People magazine this week, it was revealed that the Obamas don't believe in giving their children Christmas presents or birthday gifts?
HANNITY: Yeah.
GALLAGHER: Now -- we've been looking for proof that they're socialists. There it is. There's proof positive that this is a socialist family. These children are going to have a lifetime of therapy to have to contend with. They don't give them -- they don't give them Christmas or birthday presents? You've got to be kidding me.
[...]
GALLAGHER: I'm telling you, I'm -- I'm worried about these kids not getting Christmas and birthday presents.
HANNITY: I'm with you, Gallagher.
GALLAGHER: I mean they're going to wind up -- Sean, they're going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents.
SUSAN ESTRICH (Fox News contributor): Let's collect, Sean.
HANNITY: Well I -- I'll tell you what. I will mail gifts if they'll accept them from me.
GALLAGHER: Good. I think we should do that.
HANNITY: But after all, Barack Obama's mad at me. And so -- you know, by the way, my invitation remains for Senator Obama: Come on the show.
What a couple of morons. That sure is some proof.
I thought Socialism meant that everyone gets presents.
These guys can't even keep their hatreds straight, can they?
Well no, if Obama is the Anti-Christ, wouldn't that make the kids little demons from hell?
I know mine were at times.....
Gallagher and Hannity in the same place at the same time? That was a dangerous confluence of stupidity, a moronic black hole vacuous enough to swallow any hapless intelligence which ventured within it's gravitational range. A perfect asinine storm of dimwittedness with roaring seas of density and howling winds of hebetude relentlessly pounding on the poor SS Reality until it finally disappeared beneath the waves of pointless absurdity. The studio will have to be burned to the ground, furniture incinerated, cameras melted into slag and sent to Yucca Mountain, lest the lingering stench of insipience seeps through the walls and into the hallways, offending the noses of even the most insipid Fox employee. Has anyone called the EPA?
Hannity is THE-DUMBEST-GUY-IN-MEDIA, without a doubt. However, should he ever surrender his crown and scepter, it is a sure bet that Gallagher would ably take over the title and reign for a good long time.
Eloquent and righteous ^5
Hey, eveyrone knows the lyrics to the song go like this-
"I saw Commies kissing Santa Claus..."
LOL
This is utterly STUPID. Who in the HELL really gives a damn about how the Obama's celebrate birthdays and holidays? Oh wait, whoops, I forgot... we are living in the time when everybody seems to have a pathological need to get into everybody else's business... no matter how mundane it may be. What's next from Fox: the Obama's bathroom habits?
Brian Wilson's I Just Wasn't Made for These Times is cueing up in my 'studio of the mind' right now. Carry on, folks, while I enjoy an unjustly overlooked Beach Boy's tune...
It used to be Wouldn't it be Nice.
But that was a happier age....am I the only one who can see this election slipping away, with all the breathless lies?
What conclusion can we draw from the fact that Mike Gallagher hosts a radio show and is asked to provide commentary on current events when his reading comprehension level doesn't rise to the level of People magazine?
How about from the fact that Susan Estrich, the token "Democrat" on this network, didn't know or care enough to correct him?
lol thats my take on Colmes too.
It's funny to watch his expressions at some of the things said.
How about from the fact that Susan Estrich, the token "Democrat" on this network, didn't know or care enough to correct him?
She is a complete disaster-- a real moron. And guess what? She's a Dem Party leader.
She also blatantly lied last night when she identified herself as a "Californian." Yeah, I can tell by the accent....
Face it-- it's Doomsday.
Everyone knows Santa is an evil commie. He always wears red, and he even helps poor children! Also, I hear that Santa is a secret Muslim terrorist, not to mention the fact that he is a liberal ELITIST?
What's up now, Santa, you think you're better than me? Huh? Huh?
GALLAGHER: I mean they're going to wind up -- Sean, they're going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents.
Is this a reference to the sniper tragedy in Austin, Texas years ago? What an irresponsible moron...!
In case some of you aren't familiar with the 1966 University of Texas shootings, from a tower, the worst campus shooting disaster until the Virginai Tech incident, see this...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/16/national/main2689785.shtml
And do you think maybe there are still people around for whom the Austin sniper tragedy is still a sore spot...?
In a word, yes. They marked the 40th anniversary of that day back in 2006, just after I moved to Texas. And there were lots of interviews in the news with people who either lost loved ones that day or were directly connected to the events of that day. So yes, that tragedy is still a sore spot.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/news_8_explores/ut_tower_shooting/
And there were lots of interviews in the news with people who either lost loved ones that day or were directly connected to the events of that day
And most of them will happily, joyously vote for McCain come November.
particualrly with reference to a candidate's children.
Especially when they're as young as Obama's. How old are Grampy's kids? They have to be in their 90's by now, don't they? The kids, I mean...
Charles Whitman, you mean? I think that was a clock tower, but that's probably close enough for most people.
There's no positive way of interpreting the comment, in any event.
Shorter Hannity:
Barack Obama is an elitist, militant black Christian/secret Muslim terrorist, socialist/commie/fascist, anti-semitic, tax-raising, no-oil-drilling, martini/latte-sipping, arugula-eating, non-troop visiting, defeatist who is married to an America-hating racist, and who wants to destroy this country.
And so -- you know, by the way, my invitation remains for Senator Obama: Come on the show.
HANNITY: But after all, Barack Obama's mad at me. And so -- you know, by the way, my invitation remains for Senator Obama: Come on the show.
No, Sean...I don't think Barack Obama is mad at you. I believe he just thinks you are an a-hole with minor league intelligence who doesn't deserve the time of day... let alone a gratuitous ratings boost in which your empty-headed viewers can watch you loft loaded questions.
Thanks!!
I took it to be because he wasn't in complete control of the interview, and had to actually act human.
If Hannity was acting human, he should have been up for an Academy Award. It would have been one of the greatest examples of acting of all time.
...but of course, the media would NEVER discuss McCain's children:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/29/mccains-son-steps-down-from-bank-post/
In SC they did claim McCain fathered an illigitimate black child in 2000, and Limbaugh did call Chelsea the Clinton's family pet. This must be a conservative christian value since I only see them doing it...
The attacks on Chelsea Clinton were pretty harsh also. But look at it from Fox's point of view. If they can get the progressives in a snit about something so ridiculous and asinine then maybe they can deflect attention and outrage away from things like the IG's report of the Justice Department's assaults on the Constitution. Just part of their water-carrying duties for the Borg.
Gallagher further claimed that as a result of what he falsely asserted was the Obamas' refusal to give their daughters birthday and Christmas presents, the Obamas' children "are going to have a lifetime of therapy" and are "going to wind up on a bell tower someday if we don't send them presents."
Mike Gallagher seems to know an awful lot about what it takes to get someone to climb a bell tower with a high-powered rifle. Perhaps that's because s manu tower climbers are in his audience....
Nevermind the stuff about birthday gifts, socialism and Christmas presents. That could all reasonably be interpreted as a joke: a lame joke, a joke that is a thinly-veiled attempt to smear Obama and insulate the joker as "just kidding", but a joke nonetheless.
More important to me is Hannity's 'reporting' on the findings of the poll. For instance, it's worth pointing out that Hannity's emphasis on the poll data is a bit, er, distorted: "The poll also reveals voters are twice as likely to classify media coverage of Obama as unfairly positive rather than unfairly negative..." Yeah, that's true, but respondents were also more than twice as likely to classify media coverage of Obama as "About Right" as they were "Unfairly Negative".
And when he says that the "poll shows that only Democrats were impressed", that's simply untrue: the poll indicates that nearly 1 in 5 Republicans had a positive view of the trip. And that's not too shabby considering how much effort McCain's campaign and various talking heads have put into bashing Obama's trip.
GALLAGHER: I'm telling you, I'm -- I'm worried about these kids not getting Christmas and birthday presents.
HANNITY: I'm with you, Gallagher.
I'm more concerned about Gallagher's kids and Hannity's kids. With fathers like that, they're gonna be ALL screwed up......
Hannity tells his kids that the valiant George W. Bush defeated the evil, socialist Santa Claus in order to pave the way for Democracy and Freedom. He's currently being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Yes, thanks to the surge, Santa can no longer harm the children of America.
Gawd what morons...
Just when I think Hannity & one of his dingbat buds can't sink any lower, they prove me wrong.
When our kids were growing up they each had one gift under the tree from us, the rest appeared on Christmas morning by the fireplace, all from Santa.
Even when our 3 boys got older & didn't believe in Santa my wife insisted on keeping their Santa Gifts in hiding until she & I put them out on Christmas Eve, after the kids were in bed.
It's only in the past few years that their gifts are all placed under the tree [and they are all over 20!]...however my wife still signs them From Santa. Why? Who knows ;-)
Barack & Michelle seem to be doing a great job raising these two young girls. And though they could be spending the next 4-8 years in the fishbowl of the White House, if anything eventually leads them into therapy it will be the overbearing media hovering over them, inventing stories about them.
However I have a feeling the Obamas will do their best to keep them protected from the prying press.
the reference to "Santa" was put in the story by Media Matters
Exactly. Read it again, Dems. The interview with M. Obama makes it clear the children's Xmas gifts are from Santa, Gallagher is the one slinging the BS, saying that the kids don't get gifts. He omitted the reference to Santa, putting it in is actually the truth.
You must have posted this while I was still typing. Sorry to (inadvertently) duplicate your comment!
:-)
Mike Gallagher pronounced Obamas "socialists," apparently because they don;t give Christmas presents to daughters. But ho omitted the fact that their daughters get presents from Santa, not them.
I agree with you COL however the MM headline then should have read as I modified it above, citing the People article as it's reference. However by taking the tact they did they editorialized. MM is implying that Gallagher says those who give their kids gifts from Santa are socialists, when that notion comes from Media Matters, not Gallagher
...MM headline then should have read as I modified it above..
Without the typo's of course.
How about this for a headline:
Mike Gallagher asserts that Obama and his family are socialists because his daughters don't get Christmas presents, but he is either stupid or lying (probably lying)
On top of which, your headline is simply inaccurate. I really REALLY hate to be the one to break this to you, but when you get a present from Santa, it is actually coming from your parents. So, saying the Obamas "don't give their children presents" is in fact wrong, and so shouldn't be in the headline. MMFA put the facts in the headline, which is the most truthful (and concise!).
MM is implying that Gallagher says those who give their kids gifts from Santa are socialists, when that notion comes from Media Matters, not Gallagher.
Had you read my post more carefully you would have realized I already know your snide comment. And if eliminating a few words from a headline changes it's meaning it shouldn't be done.
The only other thing they could say with headline-appropriate brevity (a quick look at MMFA's headlines over its front page show nothing over 23 words (most well under 20), and everything in only one sentence, so therefore your headline fails on two style constraints) would be:
"Mike Gallagher pronounced Obamas "socialists," falsely claiming Obamas don't give their children presents."
You would probably be all over that too because you'd claim that "falsely claiming" is misleading because they state that they themselves aren't on the "From" line of the gift tag and you'd probably try to make a case that since the kids don't know it's from them, that they really don't give their children presents. There will simply be no pleasing you.
The headline covers as much information and with as much clarity as is possible in 14 words. Get over it.
"But ho omitted the fact that their daughters get presents from Santa"
I don't know which one you're referring to as a "ho", but there's no need for name calling.And if you consider it a "fact" that the presents are coming from Santa, I'd advise you to avoid reading the rest of the comments, as there may be a spoiler.
Ho Ho Ho
The reference to Santa was in the original article & interview from People Magazine. (Faux News omitted it to give the false indication that the Obamas don't give their children presents, when in fact, like MILLIONS of other Americans, they indulge their kids with "Santa" giving them presents.)
Please read the posts more carefully before you try to comment.
J - i will agree that the overall conversation is rediculous - however the reference to "Santa" was put in the story by Media Matters. Nowhere dioes it come up in the conversation as I read it. They have spiked the story with BS.
Dem, it doesn't matter whether "Santa' was put in the story by MMFA or not, Obama's children are OFF LIMITS!
I don't recall hearing anything about Saint Ronnie and Nancy his piss poor parenting skills regarding his daughter Patti.
Right wing nuts need a wake-up call! The continued comments about the Obama's parenting skills and 'babies Momma' sh*t's got to stop. Their is a limit and ANY conversation about their child OR their legitimacy should stop NOW!
I realize I may be repeating
I realize I may be repeating myself, Obama's children are OFF LIMITS!
The psychotic breakdown of the right-wing gasbags continues unabated.
Who do they think they're babbling to, at this point?
This is as morbidly fascinating as an old-shool carny freak show.
Seannie, you are still a siisy hiding in your studio.
To attack two little kids on-air is a form of child abuse. Seannie, you do not want to get to close to Sen. Obama. This man will clean your clock..actually, he should b"tch slap you but it would denigrate a b"tch slap.
Seannie, you are right about one thing, it is a country of whiners and you are one of the biggest. Seannie, you are still invited to join everyone here at MMFA but apparently you are still a sissy. But the way, I am sure that one of your kids is mine. Ask your wife
Mike Gallagher pronounced Obamas "socialists," apparently because daughters get presents from Santa, not them
As stupid as the exchange between Hannity and Gallagher - nowhere is the "Santa" comment brought into the conversation. This is obviously a Media Matters opinion as they dug it out and entered it into the story. So much for reporting facts.
Oh, wow...! What a significant, glaring omission...! Santa wasn't mentioned...but Cristmas presents were.
But otherwise, you're okay with Obama's kids being compared to a mass murderer?
Dem_Sol,
The fact that the kids do get gifts from "Santa" wasn't mentioned by Hannity or Gallagher, leaving the impression that these two girls wake up Christmas morning giftless just because they don't have packages with tags reading from Mom & Dad.
Looks like facts are missing all around ;-)
Exactly KB - however Mike Gallagher never mentioned Santa, so how could he have? Media Matters added the Santa bit on their own to make you think Gallagher implied that.
So you keep ranting on and on about this stupid headline. Even if you had your way and MMfA changed the headline, the exchange between Gallagher and Hannity would have been just as vulgar. You apologists know no boundaries, do you?
We're talking about children here. What the f**k do Obama's children have to do with politics in America? I agree with Pearlene - the kids are off-limits.
And you there, you snide bastard, defending this nonsense. It just shows what a jerk you are. I cannot believe people can be so low.
Once again proving your screen name, for you, in an oxymoron. The story is not abuot the kids, it's about Barack and Machelle, I already noted my opinion on the stupidity of the overall context and am defending no one. My point is that Media Matters is guilty of the false inuendo they so often accuse others of.
Perhaps if you would learn to read and take time to get involved in a discussion instead of posting your "drive by" nonsense you would have a tad of credibility. Till then you posts will go ignored.
First of all, just because you say that the article is about Barack and Michelle Obama doesn't make it true. Second, Gallagher went out of his way to compare Obamas' children to snipers. That's egregious and un-called for.
Finally, I could only WISH that you would ignore my posts. For you to just throw insults instead of debating the point (not the point you're making which is to derail the thread) is just par for your course.
If the kids say "santa" to mom then the implication is there, MM had every right to put Santa in the headline since the kids "know mom wouldn't buy those presents......then there must be a santa......
Sheesh....debate all you want to, the implication is there....you would have to be moron to not see it.
the headline should have read...Obama's Young Children Delcared Future Snipers...
Wrong.
Read the headline again. MMFA adds in the word APPARENTLY, which means they were guessing just what Gallagher might have meant.
Hannity & Gallagher never mentioned the kids got Santa Gifts, trying instead to leave the impression that Mom & Dad were a couple of scrooges & the kids were left giftless on Christmas morning.
Basically Hannity & Gallagher are talking out of their ass in even bringing up anything to do with being a socialist. I've no clue how they even came to that nutty conclusion.
Apparently: adverb
--as far as one knows or can see
--used by speakers or writers to avoid committing themselves to the truth of what they are saying.
[from the Mac dictionary, example phrases omitted]
The more you post the more you give creedence to Churchill's quote regarding liberals and their lack of brains.
Anyone who gives their gifts from Santa and reads that headline will think that this guy is labeling them a socialist for doing so. This makes the story about them - not Obama - eliciting a much deeper emotional response. It is a manipulation tactic used in campaigns - and if you can't see it you are likely to become a victim of it.
The more you post the more you give creedence to Churchill's quote regarding liberals and their lack of brains.
And the more you post the more you give creedence to the notion that stupidity should be painful, as an incentive to relieve the suffering.
Also, about the Churchill quote...who's lacking brains now??
J,
In reading your first post - it is written as if you were a bit defensive about giving your kids gifts from Santa. That seems like a response to a broad definition that those who do are "socialist". The point I am making is that many will be effected in a similar way, and that it was Media Matters, not Fox News - that interjected that idea into the story.
That headline implies that those who give their kids gifts from Santa are "Socialists". Very poor job by MM.
Yeah the headline doesn't really make sense since Hannity & Gallagher didn't mention Santa, leaving the impression that the kids didn't get any gifts on Christmas morning.
MMFA has done better with their headlines, but this doesn't excuse the 2 morons of course.
He called them socialists because they "don't give them Christmas or birthday presents." Problem is they do give them presents, from Santa. Which means one of two things:
Gallagher meant what the headline says and was lying.
Gallagher cited the People magazine article but hadn't read it because he obviously missed the Santa part.
In any event the Obamas DO give their children presents and Gallagher is either a liar or too lazy to find out otherwise; which is made even sadder since he was citing the article that would've corrected him. Well we know he is a liar and lazy but I assume it's one or the other in this case.
Scrooge McGallagher hates Santa, and thinks Santa is an America-hating fascist.
Holy crap! Your right. Except Santa is referred to in the People magazine article that is being referenced by those two yahoos. Going to the source of what they are discussing is really digging and reaching by MMFA. =>
If you read my first post on ths matter you would have seen that I believe this whole topic is rediculous - I will clarify my belief that the conversation between the two Fox guys cited in the story is so foolish that it isn't isn't worth my time.
My focus has been on Media Matters inserting false innuendo into their headline - which is something they rail against others for doing.
The whole point is that the "Santa" element is the reality of the situation that wasn't reflected in the conversation. That's what "apparently" refers to. If they had actually mentioned that, there would be no need to use that word.
So there's really no suggestion that they did mention "Santa".
July 20: John McCain began his week in the $520 Ferragamo "Pregiato Moccasins" in a golf cart with George H.W. Bush in Kennebunkport, Maine.
OK, since I'm middle class, and I don't know of anyone in the middle class who can afford a pair, I'm just sure Jeter and Tommy among others will be denouncing Shanghai Johnny for pretending to be one of the guys with the same gusto they dumped on Edwards for his haircut.
Cindy probably shoplifted them for him... ;>)
NAd next week, she'll pawn them to score some painkillers.....
Well Snoop, John-Boy doesn't have enough hair for one of the $400 John Edwards haircuts...he's gotta spend it somehow ;-)
Hey I wouldn't waste that kind of money on shoes or a haircut.
But at least the shoes will last. Unlike a haircut ;-)
Not just expensive shoes, but fruity !
Still in 2nd place, though.
"My shoes don't last long" - Snoopy
Maybe you should stop chewing on them. Silly doggy!
One other thing Snoop...your post was off topic :-O
What does McCain's shoes have to do with this thread?
Unless the Obamas gave them to him as a Christmas gift ;-)
Speaking of Edwards, I doubt they'll be many more $4oo haircuts...I hear he has a new mouth to feed...
Unless the Obamas gave them to him as a Christmas gift ;-)
Or if McCain's daughter had picked them off a dead guy she had just plugged with her sniper rifle from a tower. Har-har-har-har.... You know...McCain's making his own kids crazy? Get it? Har-har-har... Funny stuff, huh...?
Sorry Irony - you're not good at conservative humor...
(that's a compliment!)
Speaking of Edwards, I doubt they'll be many more $4oo haircuts...I hear he has a new mouth to feed...
I've been waiting to see who would be the first to mention this and Jeter you win! Ding Ding Ding Ding!
What do I win Pearlene?
$500 McCain shoes? A $400 Edwards haircut?
Hey someone had to mention it...I'm still waiting for the MSM to look into it. Ha! Fat chance.
Hey someone had to mention it...I'm still waiting for the MSM to look into it. Ha! Fat chance.
I thought by now we would leave "entertainment tonight" out of politics. Maybe the lesson from Bill Clinton hasn't sunk in yet. The only person who should be concerned about whether John Edwards had an affair and fathered a child is Elizabeth and I hope NO ONE looks into it out of respect for Elizabeth. A woman fighting cancer doesn't need this type of sh*t. And I think you can tell from my comments, you wouldn't want the prize.
Pearlene I love ya, but knock off the false high minded crappola.
While I agree with your proclamation that the 2 Obama daughters are [or should be] off limits...this same shield does NOT pertain to John Edwards.
This guy was running for the Dem nomination. His name has been floated as VP or a cabinet post in an Obama White House. He is open to discussion. And I'm 100% positive that if someone like, say Mitt Romney, was rumored to have fathered an illegitimate child [his wife also suffers from ill health] some Lib here would have brought it up on these threads!
And if anyone should have been sympathetic to Elizabeth's condition & shown her respect...it was John Edwards!
I always said the guy was a phony. IF this story proves to be true, then I stand correct.
Pearlene I love ya, but knock off the false high minded crappola.
Jeter, you've spoken about the state of politics and how we should stick to a candidates views and leave private life, private, yet because you have an extreme dislike of Edwards you now think that his marriage should somehow be an issue? That's simply bull sh*t and you know it. Whether Edwards had an affair or not means nothing! He's not running for ANY public office so what good would it serve to make it public IF it's true?
The people who pay for infidelity is the person's family. IF Edwards cheated on his wife and it was made public it simply add to your list of reasons for disliking him, meanwhile his wife and children suffer. You may call that "high minded" but I call that stopping the insanity that we now call politics. I could give a rats a** if Mitt had an affair, I think so little of him my opinion wouldn't change but his wife and family would suffer. Maybe you like that kind of crap but it leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I'll take the "high minded" compliment, it means I have standards.
He's not running for ANY public office so what good would it serve to make it public IF it's true?
He was running for the Dem nomination when he had the alleged affair. He has been mentioned as a possible VP or cabinet post in an Obama administration. Character matters...or should.
IF Edwards cheated on his wife and it was made public it simply add to your list of reasons for disliking him, meanwhile his wife and children suffer.
His wife & kids are probably suffering already, if it's true. And it was Edwards that caused their suffering & pain...not the media.
Maybe you like that kind of crap but it leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Well then I applaud you Pearlene. But I've seen rumor & innuendo posted here about Cons...usually because it was floating around in the press.
Standards should be applied to "rumors" concerning both Dems & Cons, but it rarely is. The NY Times had no problem throwing out a rumor about McCain having an alleged affair with a lobbyist. Nor did it stop Libs here from posting about it.
Also, MMFA's position (or at least its columnists', since MMFA doesn't officially take positions too often) about McCain's lobbyist was that it was disgraceful that the media paid so much attention to the "affair" and whether or not it happened, and not enough to the undue political influence that this lobbyist had and what THAT (not the sex) means to McCain's integrity and reputation.
He was running for the Dem nomination when he had the alleged affair. He has been mentioned as a possible VP or cabinet post in an Obama administration. Character matters...or should.
Edwards is no longer running for office and IF Obama wins the election and IF Obama appoints Edwards to a cabinet post his alleged affair MAY need to be disclosed. But since Obama hasn’t won the election and Edwards hasn’t been named to any cabinet position, it’s nobody's business.
Aren't you tired of this Jeter? When I read about this a few days ago I thought, if Edwards did have an affair and a child he deserves to have his b*lls cut off. I'll even volunteer, but I still can't see any reason to humiliate Elizabeth Edwards because John Edwards is an a**.
His wife & kids are probably suffering already, if it's true. And it was Edwards that caused their suffering & pain...not the media.
Then why make it public? What purpose does it serve? If every man in America who's had an affair had it publicized I guarantee the media would stop reporting it.
Well then I applaud you Pearlene. But I've seen rumor & innuendo posted here about Cons...usually because it was floating around in the press. Standards should be applied to "rumors" concerning both Dems & Cons, but it rarely is. The NY Times had no problem throwing out a rumor about McCain having an alleged affair with a lobbyist. Nor did it stop Libs here from posting about it.
The only way things change is if we change. If there is no public appetite for a politicians affair the media will stop reporting them. This game of tag has grown old.
I only want to know about indiscretions if hyprocricy is involved or a crime was committed. Larry Craig is one that comes to mind for the criminal act, Newt Gingrich and some other Republicans come to mind for the hypocrisy. They tarred and feathered Bill Clinton, humiliated his family only to have it disclosed that they were out there doing the same thing.
Some married men cheat. Some of the married men who cheat are politicians. Heck some of those married men your postmen, garbage man, limo driver, doctor and even your doctor's nurse. I won't feel any different about my garbage man as long as he continues to pick up my trash. We elect politicians to govern and rely on the church to preach morality.
Now that's the end of my "high minded crappola"
Besides the fact that it's just a smear to try to keep the Democrats from nominating the guy they fear the most, John Edwards, as VP.
The woman involved has already said that another man is the father of the baby. That man has already said he's the father of the baby. Those two people were having an affair.
It's a lie about John Edwards. A tabloid interviewed a guy who said that he saw someone.
Nah. I love going off topic.
I'm just jealous Snoop, cause as a Con I get yelled at/lectured when I do it. Not by you, but by some of your moonbat comrades [sorry I haven't used "moonbat" in weeks...gotta stay in practice]
;-)
Thus it begins: the smear-miesters take their first swipe at the Obama children. Expect the rest of the goon squad to follow accordingly.
My only surprise is that Limbaugh didn't do it first
As for the birthdays: the party, movie tickets, pizza and popcorn ARE the parents' present. Intelligent people like the Obamas realize that parents don't need to add to the pile of unnecessary stuff their kids receive on birthdays.
by the way, my invitation remains for Senator Obama: Come on the show.
Not in a million years, you hack.
By the way, Gallagher started out as a weatherman in Dayton OH. Then he saw that hate=$$$ and the transformation was on.
Obama would clean out Hannity's clock easily. Sean may want him to appear but I'll bet that the Fox suits wouldn't want the prospect of having one of their hosts being publically excoriated to be realized.
If Obama ever appears on the show, I'd be happy if he were even half as skillful at debating Hannity as Rep. Joe Sestak was when they discussed his overseas trip. Sestak laid the smack down on Mr. 'Great American'. He was so calm and collected, and he never missed an opportunity to correct Hannity when he made a false claim.
He was so calm and collected, and he never missed an opportunity to correct Hannity when he made a false claim.
And therefore he will never, ever appear as a guest on Hannity's show again... ;>)