About us Login Get email updates
Research
Print

In covering forthcoming anti-Obama books, will media repeat Swift Boat coverage mistakes?

July 30, 2008 3:17 pm ET

SUMMARY: Two books attacking Sen. Barack Obama are scheduled to be released in early August: The Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi -- co-author of Unfit for Command, which contains false and baseless attacks on Sen. John Kerry's military service -- and The Case Against Barack Obama, by David Freddoso. Regnery, publisher of The Case Against Barack Obama, touts the book as having the same "goal" as Unfit for Command, which Regnery also published. The overt connections between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's scurrilous campaign against Kerry and the two forthcoming books raise the question for the media: Will they have absorbed the lessons of their highly flawed Swift Boat coverage and give more immediate and more thorough scrutiny to these forthcoming books?

75 Comments

Two books attacking Sen. Barack Obama are scheduled to be released on August 1 and August 4 -- The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality (Threshold Editions), by Jerome Corsi, co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, which contains false and baseless attacks on Sen. John Kerry's military service, and National Review Online writer David Freddoso's The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate. Regnery, publisher of The Case Against Barack Obama, touts the book as having the same "goal" as Unfit for Command, which Regnery also published. During and after the 2004 election, critics rebuked the media for taking so long to challenge the smears against Kerry by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in Unfit for Command and in the news media. The overt connections between the Swift Boat Veterans' scurrilous campaign against Kerry and the two forthcoming books raise the question for the media: Will they have absorbed the lessons of their highly flawed Swift Boat coverage and give more immediate and more thorough scrutiny to these forthcoming books?

Post-mortems assessed the media's response to the Swift Boat attacks, with several noting the consequences of their delay in debunking the allegations.

From an American Journalism Review article by editor Rem Rieder, published in the October/November 2004 issue:

The most important contribution the big players can make is truthsquadding, taking a hard, penetrating look at the claims and counterclaims in sophisticated overviews. We saw that as papers including the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times and the Washington Post ran stories largely undercutting the allegations of the Swift Boaters (though the Post's was an odd piece of work, with a headline and top that seemed out of synch with the rest of the story).

When all manner of allegations are swirling around, the traditional media have the resources to sort it out. And they might as well jump on such endeavors quickly: This story had quite awhile to marinate until the deeper reporting appeared.

From an op-ed written by Christopher Hanson, who "teaches journalism at the University of Maryland, College Park," published in the Baltimore Sun on October 22, 2004 (retrieved from Nexis):

One of the central responsibilities of journalism is to separate fact from opinion in order to inoculate the voter against misleading propaganda, as press critic Walter Lippmann pointed out in the 1920s.

But the trend toward ideological journalism does exactly the opposite, making it easier for falsehood to masquerade as fact and for voters to cast ballots based on false assumptions. Some conservatives dismiss complaints about Sinclair as the hypocritical whining of liberals who refuse to admit that other broadcast TV networks have a pro-Kerry agenda.

"It's hardly an abuse of public trust ... for Sinclair to present an alternative view of Mr. Kerry's much-ballyhooed days as an anti-war protester," the conservative Boston Herald declared in an Oct. 15 editorial. "The other side of the story has been told ad nauseam ... What half-tuned-in voter can't picture young Lt. Kerry ... talking about the 'last man' dying for a mistake."

There is a huge difference between presenting multiple sides of a news story and purveying the absurd allegation that young antiwar activist Kerry single-handedly prolonged the Vietnam War.

Not to mention that the three major networks' record this year is hardly pro-Kerry. NBC, CBS and ABC reported heavily on claims of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that Kerry did not deserve some of his medals and had been sent stateside because of an unintentionally self-inflicted wound. Only after the damage was done did the mainstream media follow up to report that these charges were groundless.

Every reporter has biases and makes mistakes. But that is a far cry from Sinclair's unbridled electioneering.

From a column by William Raspberry published in The Washington Post on October 25, 2004:

Indeed, for me the most important complaint about mainstream coverage of the Swift boat affair was not that the mainstream press ignored it, but that mainstream journalists waited too long to get beyond the they-said-he-said "objective" reporting and try to figure out who was closer to the truth.

From the December 26, 2004, edition of CNN's Reliable Sources (retrieved from the Nexis database):

KURTZ (host): Turning now to the campaign, looking back, didn't the press spent way too much time on the swift boat attacks and the National Guard controversy about President Bush? And who did what during the Vietnam era, at a time when the country was facing a lot of important choices about now, not 30 years ago?

JAKE TAPPER (ABC News correspondent): Well, the swift boat veterans, they had an impact on the race. And they started affecting the race before, I think, the mainstream media, by which -- I shouldn't say the mainstream media. The cable news was covering the swift boat veterans before network news and some of the major newspapers.

KURTZ: Right. They had an impact on the race because they bought ads in three states, and cable gave them 24-7 coverage without, at least initially, scrutinizing what they had to say.

TAPPER: But it had an impact on the voters. It started showing up in the polls. And it did, in the end, neutralize, I think, the idea, this part of Kerry's biography, that he was a war hero. I think at the end of the day it did have a significant impact.

How you could not cover that, I don't know. Did we cover it more than we should have, compared to, for instance, the issues? You know, probably.

KURTZ: There was a month when that was what the campaign was about.

JILL ZUCKMAN (Chicago Tribune reporter): You know, it was. I mean, August, that's what it was all about. But I think ultimately the so-called mainstream media came in and said, "We are going to figure this out."

And if you look at the "Chicago Tribune," we had an editor there who wrote an account of what happened in the incidents that Kerry won his Silver Star, because he was there. And he was able to put to rest a lot of these questions. And I think that that was done by a lot of different news organizations.

TAPPER: Well, he didn't do TV interviews, we should point out. He did it at the "Chicago Tribune," but then he wouldn't talk to anyone else.

DAVID FOLKENFLIK (National Public Radio media correspondent) : It's actually a fascinating case study, in some ways. I mean, these folks, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, popped up at the beginning of the summer. "The Boston Globe," the hometown paper of Senator Kerry, took a couple of close looks at it. And then it faded from what you call the establishment mainstream media.

At that point, it started to bubble up on blogs, it started to bubble up through talk radio. Ultimately, cable news picked it up sort of toward August. And then the mainstream media, the major newspapers, major networks, felt it almost thrust upon them.

And they hadn't done the initial reporting and vetting that could have allowed them to assess it, perhaps, in a more thorough and contemplative way.

From an October 8, 2007, washingtonpost.com Media Backtalk Web chat with Howard Kurtz:

Oviedo, Fla.: What, if anything, about the even-faster media pace of blogs, vlogs, etc. would help stop a Swift Boat story from taking hold, as happened last time? Does the ultra-fast news cycle help dilute the impact of these type of trumped-up scandal stories?

Howard Kurtz: Any story, trumped-up or not, gets out there faster in these days of digital media. Real reporting, it turns out, takes a bit of time. In the case of the Swift Boat ads, a tiny buy in three markets ballooned into a huge story because the spots were constantly replayed on cable news. It took two or three weeks for a handful of newspapers to realize that this had become an important story and to do the digging that raised questions about the claims that some of Kerry's ex-mates were making. The papers did a good job, but they were too slow.

Expand All Expand 1st Level Collapse All Add Comment
    • Author by historygeek001 (July 30, 2008 3:21 pm ET)
         
      I hate to say it, but I'm sure that the media will roll over again the way they did for the Swift Boaters.  It was disgusting then, and now, with their complicity in that smear campaign, it will be even more indefensible.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by shoes89 (July 30, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
           

        First, the major media did run to Kerry's defense immediately.

        Second, MM is simply wrong to say that Unfit for Command had false and baseless charges. Although the opinions on the merits of certain episodes have been disputed, there was not a single fact in the book that was refuted.

        Report Abuse
        • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
             

          Which fact are you speaking of??? Don't remember too many of them.

          Help me out...Awaiting your list of undisputed facts.

          Report Abuse
          • Author by heru (July 30, 2008 7:14 pm ET)
               

            Shoes wasn't satisfied with putting one moron in office for 8 years, she has to finish the job by supporting yet another campaign of deception.

            Report Abuse
        • Author by foghornleghorn (July 30, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
             
          Considering the book contained NO facts, then in turn, you're right that none can be disputed.
          Report Abuse
        • Author by skeptical (July 30, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
             

          Shoes,

          Can you provide even one example of the media coming to Kerry's defense?

          Can you provide an example of even one fact that was not disputed?

          Report Abuse
          • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 5:00 pm ET)
               

            Skeptic,

            I remember one night watching Lawrence O'Donnel become completely unhinged, repeatedly calling  John O'Neill a liar. It was great TV.

            Report Abuse
            • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
                 
              ps. It was on Scarborough Country and Pat Buchanan was subbing in for Joe.
              Report Abuse
            • Author by skeptical (July 30, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
                 

              AA,

              What's the point of that comment?  John O'Neill was a liar. 

              I assume then that you agree, Unfit foir Command was a pack of lies?

              Report Abuse
        • Author by DougReese (July 30, 2008 6:30 pm ET)
             

          Here's 10 false statements from about five pages in the book, Shoes.

          http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/letter_to_pickens_062008.pdf

           Doug Reese

          Report Abuse
          • Author by BottleBlonde (July 30, 2008 11:46 pm ET)
               

            Yeah, Shoes.

            Just to let you know, Doug Reese actually served with John Kerry. He still associates with other people who also served with John Kerry and were witnesses to events that John Kerry was involved in too.

            You ain't got squat when you compete with Doug Reese.

            Give it up.

            Report Abuse
        • Author by RealTruthseeker (August 01, 2008 9:35 am ET)
             

          "Although the opinions on the merits of certain episodes have been disputed"

          Longhand for "full of ****"

          Furthermore, Kerry a year after the campaign filled out the form releasing his records that you folks so dearly wanted him to do... and they supported his version of accounts for which he was awarded his medals.

          The Swift Boat book remains the most despicable pack of lies propogated in any campaign history.  It not only slandered the record of a man who served honorably in Vietnam, it slandered the system by which the military awards its medals and merits.

          I don't know who's worse... the people who wrote it, or the people who refuse to acknowledge that garbage for what it is.

          Report Abuse
        • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 01, 2008 12:00 pm ET)
             
          Crack kills, dude.  Doesn't matter who you voted for: Crack. Kills.
          Report Abuse
      • Author by mari2jj2970 (July 31, 2008 12:18 am ET)
           
        One problem for the Swift Boaters droves of mimicers is that we are wise to their disgusting hateful attack on Kerry and we are all smarter this year.  Besides all that, the Swift Boaters will run out of money long before Barack does.  And Barack has an answer group that will instantly take on these creeps..  Plus, even former Republicans like me will no longer put up with that nonsense.  That sort fo behavior chased away Republicans in droves and I can tell you, we are not returning to that dirty, hateful party.  Plus, we are all well informed about the workings of that dirty, haterul Republican party.  We have been there and done that.
        Report Abuse
    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 30, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
         

      The mistake would be to provide the purveyors of lies equal air time to further spread their lies. I'm afarid that the media are so concerned about appearing fair and providing balance that for every guest disputing the lies they will have one liar arguing the lies.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
         

      Thanks MMFA for the advance notice!

      I'm sure everyone here will reserve their own copies so we can have informed debates regarding these books come this fall.

      Report Abuse
      • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
           
        I'm not going to reserve anything. The Cons will be giving them away for a dollar to get the sales built up. I'd rather use my money to wipe my butt than to pay for the poop. But how can I make a decision before the book comes out? Because of its' source.
        Report Abuse
        • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
             

          Prince,

          When you find out where you get them for a buck, let me know. I'll send you a package of Charmin in exchange. :-)  

          Report Abuse
          • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
               
            Unscented, I hope. And none of that lanolin stuff either.
            Report Abuse
            • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
                 
              Good point. You don't want to attract any more flies to the outhouse than necessary. :-) 
              Report Abuse
              • Author by princeofwheels (July 31, 2008 1:05 am ET)
                   
                Outhouse, no way...I was visiting my RITO (Republicans in Trailers Only) friends and they just go behind trees.
                Report Abuse
          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 30, 2008 7:30 pm ET)
               

            Keep an eye on this site, AA. It should be there in no time. Also, Human Events buys up a lot of them and gives most of the "best-selling" conservative books away with subscriptions to their newsletters. That's how they get to be "best-sellers".

            Report Abuse
      • Author by wzwriter (July 30, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
           

        I'm sure everyone here will reserve their own copies so we can have informed debates regarding these books come this fall.

        I wouldn't waste my hard-earned money on those crappy books.  The paper's too rough for using as toilet paper, which is all those books are good for.

        Report Abuse
    • Author by jeter2 (July 30, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
         

      Two books attacking Sen. Barack Obama are scheduled to be released on August 1 and August 4 --

      Well at least we know what the threads here will be highlighting in August ;-)

      the two forthcoming books raise the question for the media: Will they have absorbed the lessons of their highly flawed Swift Boat coverage and give more immediate and more thorough scrutiny to these forthcoming books?

      Well I would hope so. Weeding out the lies should be something we would expect from the Press...However, if there is any truth revealed between the covers, I would hope that gets scrutinized & reported by the media as well.

      Report Abuse
      • Author by tommy (July 30, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
           

        Hence the problem Jeter, you hit it.  Battle lines will be drawn, those opposed to Obama in the media, aka Fox, will red carpet these authors in for wall to wall coverage.......and those supporting Obama, most likely Olbermann for one, will host those who will aim their arrows squarely at the books' content.

        So we, the public, are left with our heads shifting back and forth like we are watching a tennis match - most likely with the truth somewhere in between. 

        Report Abuse
        • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
             
          It will help the environment if Obama simply selects Kerry as his running mate. We can then recycle all those wonderful books. :-) 
          Report Abuse
          • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
               
            This is why I always enjoy your posts. A sense of..well, there is some sense about you.
            Report Abuse
            • Author by wzwriter (July 30, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                 

              This is why I always enjoy your posts. A sense of..well, there is some sense about you.

              Yes - a sense of amazement.  I'm constantly amazed how someone as mentally challenged as AA manages to type legible words into a computer keyboard.....

              Report Abuse
              • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
                   
                A really big keyboard like those elephant pencils from kindergarten..but I still read AA.
                Report Abuse
                • Author by wzwriter (July 30, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                     

                  A really big keyboard like those elephant pencils from kindergarten...

                  Maybe AA uses a Speak & Spell:

                  Report Abuse
              • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 4:52 pm ET)
                   

                wz,

                I traded in the elephant pencils for  an unlimited number of monkeys typing at an infinite number of keyboards. 

                ..and yes. They drive me bananas. 

                Report Abuse
                • Author by princeofwheels (July 31, 2008 1:07 am ET)
                     
                  That is why you are so appealing
                  Report Abuse
                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 31, 2008 1:18 am ET)
                       

                    I find him pretty Dole, but I hope that banana-republican doesn't split, no matter how many times he gets creamed here.

                    And I would've guessed 3-4 monkeys with etch-a-sketches and an am radio, based on the comments.

                    Report Abuse
        • Author by skeptical (July 30, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
             

          Tommy,

          The problem is (as what happened to Kerry) if there is "NO" truth in the books (like unfit for command) the press won't do it's job and let the public know and then idiots that believe the FOX pundits will think these books do tell the truth.

          Therefore, the truth won't lie somewhere in between.  There will be lies from the book and truth and facts from the critics of the book.

          Report Abuse
          • Author by clams casino (July 30, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
               
            You may recall that in Tommy's world the truth is subjective and/or impossible to define. This wishy-washy "truth lies somewhere in the middle" b.s. is what happens when we give the lies just as much credence as the facts.
            Report Abuse
            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 31, 2008 1:33 am ET)
                 

              Précisément, palourde. This is the SOP of fair & balanced Fox news.Get one guy to say that white is white, and another to insist that white is black. They can agree to disagree, and black and white are both grey.

              Amazing that those who can only see black & white in very subjective and personal moral and philosophical areas can see such a wide spectrum in the truth.

              Report Abuse
            • Author by tommy (July 31, 2008 11:33 am ET)
                 

              No, what it means is that hardline, ignorant, hack partisans such as yourself are both political party's dream.  They have you in their back pocket, naive and sheepishly following their directives - you foolishly think every they do is noble and right, while the other side is demonic and wrong.......but you stay in your little corner and believe what you want, while the adults and those that are capable of dissecting truth from demagoguery filter out the truth from the talking point spinners you align yourself with.

              Tool. 

              Report Abuse
              • Author by clams casino (July 31, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
                   
                My only allegiance is to the truth. I've never toed any party lines. And as usual your namecalling only reveals your own emotional and intellectual shortcomings.
                Report Abuse
              • Author by skeptical (July 31, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                   

                Tommy,

                There is only one side of a fact and that is the truth.  If the book is based on falsehoods, then that is not the truth and not a fact and cannot be considered another "side" of an issue.

                What don't you get?  And your comments seem to indicate that you can't deal with "facts" and have to resort to namecalling.

                I Guess Clams really gets under your skin.  That usually occurs when you don't like what someone says because it hits too close to home.

                Report Abuse
      • Author by BottleBlonde (July 30, 2008 11:51 pm ET)
           

        They should evaluate the books before they provide news coverage of them.

        Once they discover how offensive and misleading they are, that's what they should cover.

        What they did with the SwiftBoat stuff that was wrong was they did the old "he said, she said" crapola.

        That was wrong. They have to evaluate the claims before they give those claims airtime. If there are facts in the books, then that's one thing. What happened before was there were distortions of reality and outright lies that were given credibility when they deserved none.

        Report Abuse
    • Author by captfoster2 (July 30, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
         

      If a book that did this exact same thing.... in that lies and distortions and all things made up were written about Grampy McSame, the media would go ape poop over it!

      These books and their authors need to be seen for what they are.....

      Paid and bought for charactor assassinations against Barack Obama! Pure and simple!

      That we live in a society that can allow such blatant slander is but another pure example as to why the Fairness Doctrine is so feared and loathed by the rightwing sleeze machine!

      My guess is that not as many Americans will fall for this garbage this time around..... people are slowly but surely waking up from the rightwing trance!

      Report Abuse
      • Author by captfoster2 (July 30, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
           

        And for AA and any others that will try to slam me for saying what I have said about two books that have yet to be released nor read by me...... I have but to remind you that the last couple times books of this kind against Clinton, Gore and Kerry came out, they were all filled with lies, inuendo, fabrications, and distortions..... and those I did read!

        I have little doubt as to the fact that these two books will be no different!

        Report Abuse
        • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
             
          I guess a little doubt is better than none. :-)
          Report Abuse
        • Author by anotheramerican (July 30, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
             

          Capt.

          These books will not have anywhere near the impact of the SBVTs. It was because so many vets took issue with Kerry that spoke volumes. The roar of Kerry's silence countering the SBVT charges was deafening.  

          The mainstream tried to keep it hidden by ignoring the story, but those SBVTs showed some incredible perseverance in the face of unrelenting criticism by the media and Kerry campaign. 

          This time around there is no group of vets to challenge a war record and subsequent anti-war activities of a fellow officer who many of his comrades felt, betrayed them.

          Unless they have some blockbuster new information regarding Obama, I seriously doubt these books will sell at all.  

          Report Abuse
          • Author by skeptical (July 30, 2008 5:20 pm ET)
               

            AA, So many vets?

            The book was full of lies.  Do you have any problem with that?

            Report Abuse
          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 30, 2008 5:33 pm ET)
               

            The mainstream tried to keep it hidden by ignoring the story, but those SBVTs showed some incredible perseverance in the face of unrelenting criticism by the media

            That was a pretty diabolical combination of unrelenting criticism and ignoring that the media unleashed. Jeez, Barney, take a nap or something, you can't even stick to one lie per post.

            Report Abuse
            • Author by commonsenseliberal (July 31, 2008 12:03 pm ET)
                 

              Is it just too early, or did AA just contradict himself in two sentences?

              That must be a record...

               

              Report Abuse
          • Author by mari2jj2970 (July 31, 2008 12:33 am ET)
               
            There is a marked difference between Obama nd Kerry.  SDad top say, Kerry thought he could rise above the mess because he thought any thinking person would reject such an attempt to ,what can i say, swift boat hime, but that is not going to happen to Obama.  He is still raising money in the thousands and he will use it top effectively counter the swift boaters.  In other words, swift boaters have lost their mojo and no matter hw3o much they spend, we will be able to outspend them.  I am still raising lots of money for Barack just by sharing his site address with others and they go there and donate.  A whole new way to get financial support and votes also.  Works like a charm.  Even my racist cousin in Texas has changed parties and supports Obama now.  Now that is a huge change in the electorate.  But after the screw up of their Texas buddy, Bush, they are ready to get out of their financial mess.
            Report Abuse
      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 30, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
           

        How many stupid things are they going to throw against the wall, desperately hoping one of them sticks?

        On the rejecting/condemning/renouncing front, there's some sort of hot item going on with lyrics by Ludacris. I didn't hear the details, just caught a minute of El Rushbo whining that Obama had said positive things about Ludacris, but has so far failed to condemn some of his lyrics.

        And that's important to me, that a presidential candidate takes the time to listen to a lot of popular music and give all of it a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down".

        Report Abuse
        • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 30, 2008 3:56 pm ET)
             

          Matt the Hat Drudge has a link to ludicrous's (sp) song on his website.  Apparently he calls HC an "irrelevant bit$$" and wishes Maverick was paralyzed, or something to that effect.  Otherwise the song sounds pretty good. 

          Report Abuse
        • Author by neondesert (July 30, 2008 4:34 pm ET)
             

          I remember back in '68 when Hubert Humphrey didn't condemn Hendrix' Purple Haze.  Nixon beat him easily.

          In '80, Carter adopted the Sex Pistols "Anarchy in the UK" as his campaign song.  Only used it for 1 short week, before going with the more folksy "Why Not the Best", but it was enough to propel Reagan to the white house.

          In '48, Dewey's known affinity for be-bop coke-head Charlie "Bird" Parker cost him a 4-year trip to the oval office.

          And in 1865, Lincoln was actually assassinated while attending "Our American Cousin" - a musical which contained the gender-bending "Jeff in Pettycoats" by Henry Tucker .

          Report Abuse
        • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 30, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
             
          Maybe a fair and balanced tour with the Motor City Madman will be in order.
          Report Abuse
          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 30, 2008 5:29 pm ET)
               

            Thanks for reminding me of all of those historical musical gaffes, Neon.

            And, Ol'Ben, I think we can assume by their silence, their failure to condemn, that everybody at Fox news completely endorses the sentiments of Wang Dang Sweet Poontang and Yank Me Crank Me. Come to think of it, that second one could be the Fox audience anthem.

            Report Abuse
            • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 30, 2008 5:36 pm ET)
                 

              Your wango's your tango my friend.

              I was imagining Ted up there in his loin cloth shooting flaming arrows at a photo of Sen. Obama.  Then Ludacris could come out and have similar schtick with a McCain photo.  Of course he would have to use a tec 9 or something as he can't repeat the arrow thing and it's more "street".  

              Have you seen "The Future Is Unwritten: Joe Strummer"?  Highly recommended.

              Report Abuse
              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 30, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
                   
                No, O.B., you'd mentioned it before & I've been meaning to rent it (meaning "procrastinate til it's on Sundance Channel or something). I don't know if you saw my post when you mentioned it before, but I counter-recommended Rotten:No Irish,No Blacks, No Dogs. It was on my lowbrow pop-culture, books-I-got-as-gifts pile, but turned out to be a pretty entertaining read.Even with some pretty snarky jabs at Strummer.
                Report Abuse
                • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 30, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
                     

                  Oops - reapeted myself and off-topic.  That's a two'fer.

                  Yeah I did read Lydon's book.  It was enjoyable, but he's a major a$$.  In that vein try England's Dreaming - a great overview of the punk thing that happened a while back. 

                   

                  Report Abuse
            • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 01, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
                 
              Excellent points. And that's without even mentioning the really disturbing lyrics of Jailbait.  A great American, no doubt. 
              Report Abuse
    • Author by Sueelldd (July 30, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
         
      I think if anything we can expect indepth exclusive interviews on FOX with the authors of these books. 
      Report Abuse
    • Author by princeofwheels (July 30, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
         

      Is it just me or are the Cons playing their trump cards a little too early in the game? They know what is in store for them so the daily barrage is a sign of surrender or cut and run. The Obama camp hasn't even turned the dogs loose, our Snoopy included. I can't wait until these jerks who are trying to ruin this country have to be defensive. Oh the tears...

      On a local Con radio show today, the jerks were trying to convince themselves that Obama can't win a state like West Virgina because Hillary beat him there. When a sane person called in to inform them that Obama got more votes than McCain in West Virginia during the primaries they dismissed it.. And that the registered Dems amount to 357,000 as opposed to 117,000 Repubs, they dismissed this FACT also and said that most Hillary supporters would vote for McCain. Talk about sheep.

      It is a shame but this may be a massacre.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 30, 2008 4:28 pm ET)
         

      Their is some thought in the McFlipper campaign that Hillary's error was not going after Obama soon enough. Mind you any excuse to trash a Democrat is a good excuse in McShrub World.

      Any thought that this sliming can't work this time, can't explain why people like Shoe have no doubt that the previous slimings are true.

      If only one of his second cousins hadn't accidently voted for a democratic candidate for dog catcher. He'd be an important part of our Justice Department.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by jenbell451804 (July 30, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
         
      I suspect the media has not learned anything and will only be worse...but maybe the American people have learned something.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (July 30, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
         
      What "mistakes"? Whose "mistakes"? The Rove Machine worked it like pizza dough. The brilliance of the scam (The Swift Boat Lies) was a masterpiece of the art of the smear. Karl knew, deep down, or by intuition, that he could count on the media to aid and abet his scheme. All he needed was an industry, the news organizations, that was manned almost exclusively by nit-wits. This time around it will be even easier, thanks to an even less honest group of NEO-nit-wits. a term we can apply to their audience as well. A near-perfect operation awaits; not just the ne0-nit-wits, but Conservative neo-nit-wits with a firm ideology to prop it up. That, and lots and lots of MONEY, Rugrats Murdock money.

      One would have to be blind not to see how the "smear" of the Rev. Bush's so-called military obligation was used. A obvious plant by the Rove & Co. to sucker in the clue-less Democrats, fed to CBS, including bogus documents that would certainly call the story into serious question, thereby resulting in damaging not only CBS and Dan Rather, but the Democrats as well. The Repugnicrants are just smarter, that's all.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by gail5319 (July 30, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
         
      You can be certain, given the authors, that the books will be filled with lies. The GOP has adopted lying as their primary means of communicating to the voters. Wasn't it Gingrich who said lying was okay if their cause was just? The authors are paid Republican hatchet men. The media needs to debunk their lies immediately. And then do a complete blackout on the issue. To do otherwise is to give legs to the lies and subvert the election. Lies are not a legitimate subject of election time debate. This country will not survive another 4 years of neofascism in the White House.

      Real differences of opinion are legitimate subjects for debate. And that is where the media needs to focus.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by noconspiracy (July 30, 2008 5:44 pm ET)
         
      I just wonder: will anyone EVER write a political book without a colon in the title?! I'm starting to wonder if it's even allowed by publishers.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 30, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
         

      Its a little like how some interesting detail loaded book you take on vacation aways transforms into one with a single sylable title with a Roman numeral at one end of it.

       

      Report Abuse
    • Author by clore3090 (July 30, 2008 7:34 pm ET)
         
      This sort of thing provides a good example of how progressives should learn to frame things better. Instead of writing something like "Obama accused of (whatever)", it should be something like "Republicans smear Obama again". Make those committing the smears and the inacccuracy of their claims the focus rather than the victim.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by Indy (July 30, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
         

      Jerome Corsi might have been able to convince some simple minded people that his motivation came from his heart, duty and love of country in the Swift Boat election era.  Now it's pretty obvious to even the "critical thought" challenged that he's just another paid for politically motivated hack with a partisan axe to grind.  Just pay him, point him in the right direction, tell him what name to insert and presto! Nothing hacky here.  Wait was he in a basketball team with  guys who claimed Obama once cheated and wore lifts?  What's this one called?  "Unfit to Dribble".  I'm sure it will be in the same fine, rich smearing traditon of his earlier work.  Fool me once...fool me..well dont get fooled again.  

      Report Abuse
    • Author by chamay0 (July 30, 2008 8:08 pm ET)
         

      Let's be honest, these books will be on every news channel and every cable channel.  If we use simple judgement, especially based off how the MSM has handle everything that has preceeded these books, we can trust that they will not be analyzing the truth of what either book has to offer before having debates or finding passages to put forth a talking point.  Granted in time the MSM will eventually (some of them) start challenging the books but that will only be after people like Huffingtonpost, TPM, MediaMatter, Kos, Keith Olbermann, blogers, etc. rise to the occassion and challenge the falshood of the contents of these books

      Thank goodness this years campaign goes beyond the talking MSM and also includes the power of the internet.  Just recently my mother told me how back in the old days some politians would go around house to house giving black people $5 and asking them to vote for them.  No body knew what the politians stood for or, much less, who they were.  Baby we have come a long way and 8 years of stupid will come to an end.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by diogeron (July 30, 2008 8:59 pm ET)
         

      As Bob Dylan said, "I've been through this movie before." Of course, Kurz and the rest of the MSN will dwell on this, just as they did the Swift Boat crap. Their idea of "balance" is to repeat the already discredited claims in the book and then point out that they are not true. That's like Nova giving equal time to the argument that the earth is the center of the universe and the argument that it isn't.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (July 30, 2008 11:11 pm ET)
         
      We need sites like MMFA to shine the light on RIGHT WING lies and misinformation like the SWIFT BOAT LIARS did on 2004.I think the AMERICAN PEOPLE  are aware of the smears and lies coming from the GOP.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by spadeholder (July 30, 2008 11:54 pm ET)
         

      Gosh, why stop at the Kerry's attracks? These doubious stories go back to President Clintons and Vice Presidents Gores campaine.  The mainstreams medias reluctance to investigate questionable stories seem to be an ingrained attribute. Why stop now! Oh wait I',m wrong the MM did stop  one of the uninspirring stories for G. Bush ie.. the drunk driving allegation.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by vademsandi2954 (July 31, 2008 9:51 am ET)
         
      I have no problem believing that the sycophants for Limbaugh, Hannity, Dobson, Dobbs, Bush and Cheney have the gall to cast "the cult of personality" as a charge, but what I cannot grasp is the idiocy of the people who will buy the book, spout the propaganda and continue to vote against their own best interests because they "Believe" in what their "personalities" tell them.  We are as mindless as, and much more deserving of our fate than, innocent little sheep.  If John McCain manages to be elected President, I do not believe I can bear it.  Get the pad locked room ready.
      Report Abuse