Confronted by Brewer over falsehood, Corsi responds with two more
SUMMARY: After being confronted by MSNBC's Contessa Brewer on his book's false claim that Sen. Barack Obama did not dedicate his own book to his mother and grandparents, Jerome Corsi responded with two more falsehoods.
When MSNBC anchor Contessa Brewer pointed out that Jerome Corsi falsely claimed in his new book, The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality (Threshold Editions, August 2008), that Sen. Barack Obama did not dedicate his memoir, Dreams From My Father, to his mother and grandparents, Corsi responded with two more falsehoods. Media Matters for America has previously identified one of the two falsehoods, but there's another. In responding to Brewer -- in addition to misrepresenting the falsehood that Media Matters for America identified -- Corsi also falsely suggested that it is only in the 2004 edition that Obama dedicates Dreams from My Father to his family. In fact, both the 1995 and 2004 editions of Dreams contain an introduction in which Obama dedicates the book to his family.
During an interview with Corsi on the August 5 edition of MSNBC Live, Brewer, citing a report by Media Matters on The Obama Nation's numerous falsehoods, pointed out that contrary to Corsi's assertion that Obama did not dedicate the book to his mother or his grandparents, "it says right in the introduction that it's dedicated to his family." Corsi responded, in part, "In the introduction that he wrote after, this was going with the second book." In fact, Obama's statement, "[i]t is to my family, though, my mother, my grandparents, my siblings, stretched across oceans and continents that I owe the deepest gratitude and to whom I dedicated this book," is included in the introduction to both the 1995 edition (page xi) and 2004 edition (page xvii) of Dreams.
Moreover, while Corsi suggested during his interview that he is familiar with the 1995 edition of Dreams, in an endnote to The Obama Nation, he writes:
Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (New York: Crown, 2004 [1995]), pp. 3-5. The book, when initially issued in 1995, sold poorly, such that many copies were sold as publisher's remainders. The 1995 edition, as a result, is difficult to find. All quotes are to the 2004 reissue. Obama's autobiographical book is hereafter referred to as Dreams. [Part One, endnote 2, page 306]
Corsi did not state where he looked for and apparently failed to locate the 1995 edition of the book before determining that it was "difficult to find." But Media Matters reviewed a copy at the Martin Luther King, Jr., Memorial branch of the District of Columbia Public Library, after determining through a Google Maps search that it was the branch most convenient to Media Matters' offices that had a copy available. The following libraries in the Washington, D.C. area also list the 1995 edition of the book among their holdings: the Library of Congress; the Anacostia Interim, Cleveland Park Neighborhood, Francis A. Gregory Neighborhood, Southwest Neighborhood, and West End Neighborhood branches of the District of Columbia Public Library; and the libraries at American University, George Mason University, Georgetown University, and the University of the District of Columbia. According to his WorldNetDaily.com bio page, Corsi lives in New Jersey; the 1995 edition of Dreams is also available at the libraries of Princeton University and Rutgers University.
As Media Matters noted, during the August 5 MSNBC interview, Corsi also claimed, "If you'll read carefully what Media Matters said, they point out there is no dedication page even in the second edition." Corsi later added: "And the original book had no dedication page and this is not the typical way that you dedicate a book. So I'm making the distinction there is no dedication page in the book at all, never has been." In fact, as Brewer and Media Matters noted, Corsi drew no such distinction in The Obama Nation; he falsely claimed only that "Obama did not dedicate Dreams from My Father to his mother, or to his father, Barack Senior, or to his Indonesian stepfather" and that also "[m]issing from the dedication are the grandparents who raised him in Hawaii."
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From the 9 a.m. ET hour of the August 5 edition of MSNBC Live:
BREWER: You say it's a comprehensive look, and yet there are already online bloggers that are going through this book page by page and picking apart what they see as factual errors. Let me give you an example. You say in this book, "Interestingly, Obama did not dedicate Dreams from My Father to his mother or to his father, Barack Sr., or to his Indonesian stepfather," and Media Matters, the online organization, says in his book, he actually says on a -- on the last page of the introduction, "It is to my family, though, my mother, my grandparents, my siblings, stretched across oceans and continents that I owe the deepest gratitude and to whom I dedicated this book." So if they're going through, and they're finding all of these factual errors in your book, why should we give you the credibility?
CORSI: Let's discuss that one. If you'll read carefully what Media Matters said, they point out there is no dedication page even in the second edition.
BREWER: But it says right in the introduction that it's dedicated to his family.
CORSI: In the introduction that he wrote after, this was going with the second book. And the original book had no dedication page and this is not the typical way that you dedicate a book. So I'm making the distinction there is no dedication page in the book at all, never has been.
BREWER: Media Matters has some eight, nine, 10 pages of factual errors.
CORSI: And I'd be happy to go through each one of them with you.
BREWER: And we're not going to do that. But I'm saying, if they are finding one, then why do you get credibility for the book?
CORSI: Well, I've already objected to the one they found. I think Media Matters is wrong, and I would argue with every one of them.




















Wolf,
Are you thinking of the Socratic method?
Sophistry::: Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
Sophism::: a deliberately invalid argument displaying ingenuity in reasoning in hope of deceiving someone.
As this post gets longer, everyone should know the meaning of these words. I found these in a dictionary and Limbaughs' picture was featured next to these words. Why?
Before this sophistry socrates thing gets out of hand, the reason why Corsi is engaging in "sophistry" is because he is arguing out upon an invalid yet unexamined premise: that a "dedication" requires a "dedication page," and lack of evidence of the one establishes the nonexistence of the other.
Is there some reason why Obama must dedicate the dang book in the first place?
Can't he dedicate the book at a later date after all?
I mean really whats the big deal here, except for the Idiot Corsi making it a big deal.
Wolf,
Where I come from, we call that, "joining a fraternity". :-)
Hold on.
MM needs to know that libraies often list the original date of publication even though they may carry an earlier edition.
MM would help their (already very diminished) credibility by not showing a dumb scan from a library web site but of the actual dedication page from the original 1995 edition.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603589.html
This really should be a major media scandal and McCain should get a real pounding for being so duplicitous to try to engineer the appearance of support for his message! There's no way a candidate should have such a crass and obvious way to try to put out its talking points without serious consequences in how they are perceived in the public eye--maybe the FEC should look into it--the same way campaign ads have to say who paid for them, cut-and-paste blog quotes should be labeled as coming from the campaign, NOT an independent individual.
No they don't.
The catalog contains the bibliographical information of the volume in possession. Besides, MMFA went to the one branch and looked up the earlier edition.
Can anyone explain the difference between a "dedication page" and a "dedication"? It looks like MMFA is comparing apples to crabapples.
MMFA finds a dedication on pages xi and xvii of the respective editions. Just looking at the page numbers tells me that there is no dedication page even though there is a dedication somewhere in the introduction.
I think it is extremely nitpicky for both Corsi and MMFA to even discuss this aspect. Let's move.on shall we?
I think it is extremely nitpicky for both Corsi and MMFA to even discuss this aspect. Let's move.on shall we?
Before we move on, everyone has to admit that when someone like Jerome Corsi who writes a book claiming to tell the truth about Barack Obama tells nothing but lies, both he and his book cannot be regarded as factual sources. Agreed?
"Interestingly, Obama did not dedicate Dreams from My Father to his mother, or to his father, Barack Senior, or to his Indonesian stepfather. Missing from the dedication are the grandparents who raised him in Hawaii, especially during the years his mother abandoned him to return to Indonesia to be with Lolo [Soetoro, Obama's stepfather]." (Corsi, 2008: 49-50; reproduced by MMFA)
Now, it's not immediately clear to me what would be "interesting" about this even if it were true, but Corsi goes to the bother of making the claim and listing all the people to whom Obama supposedly declines to dedicate his book. I think at a minimum we could probably infer that Corsi is suggesting that Obama is either negligent in his dedication, ungrateful, or somehow estranged from these family members.
But whatever Corsi's implication is, it's thoroughly undermined by the facts: Obama DID dedicate his book -- explicitly, with the words "I dedicated this book" -- to his family in both editions. Corsi's original claim was unqualified: he didn't argue that Obama didn't dedicate his book to his family prominently; he didn't say that Obama buried his dedication to his family in the introduction; he didn't say that Obama picked an untraditional way to dedicate his book. Corsi was simply wrong. Period.
And that's ok. Even the best researched books have mistakes. There's nothing wrong with that, especially if Corsi's point was a small one. But Corsi has refused to even acknowledge the possibility that he might have been mistaken. Instead, he's clinging to his thesis that all of the details in his book, most of which doesn't address Obama's positions on policies, are relevant to understanding Obama's overall character.
My point is that Corsi is the one arguing that this is a big deal. Corsi's position, as he's expressed it, is that a failure to dedicate a book to one's family reveals an important part of Obama's character. The problem is that Corsi is completely wrong. And worse yet, when presented with facts that contradict his argument, Corsi doesn't argue that MMFA is nitpicking or that the fact is insignificant -- he simply defends his false claim.
And defending a demonstrably false position is, in my judgment, a direct and substantial blow to one's credibility. Wouldn't you agree, AA?
While I agree with your contention that Corsi did not back down. I thought the whole exchange was incomplete. I did not understand the point Corsi was trying to make. I thought the whole thing bordered on the ridiculous.
So, even though I am not planning on reading the book, I don't know if it is fair to claim that everything Corsi wrote is untrue or that Corsi's veracity is completely undermined by this one example.
Many times I've seen where MMFA consciously provides only one side of the story, completely leaving out evidence that contradicts it's claims. Is everything MMFA writes also compromised by it's agenda driven distortions?
Now that I think about it, I'll agree that Corsi's credibility is compromised if you'll agree that MMFA's is also.
Many times I've seen where MMFA consciously provides only one side of the story, completely leaving out evidence that contradicts it's claims.(AA)
You should point those out.That would make for a good discussion.
This seemingly trivial point (dedicated or not dedicated) illustrates the great likelihood that Corsi did not actually read "Dreams From My Father" as much as he picked through it for ammunition he could use for "Obama Nation". This point is not trivial because it leaves no doubt about the bias and sloppy approach Corsi brought to his research. If this were his PhD dissertation, Corsi would be failed.
All of your points are well presented. We all (well, not all) seem to be dancing around a simple concern. An individual who makes his living plying "mistakes", ones that can so easily be exposed, not only by their content, but by their frequency, given their obvious bias, runs the risk of being labeled, oh, what's the word I'm looking for, a "liar". I like that word; a most pungent and accurate noun, found in any dictionary. A reptile in a suit and tie is still a reptile.
Can anyone explain the difference between a "dedication page" and a "dedication"? It looks like MMFA is comparing apples to crabapples.....I think it is extremely nitpicky for both Corsi and MMFA to even discuss this aspect. Let's move.on shall we?
MMFA is refuting Corsi's fallacious reasoning. Corsi is presuming that you can only have a dedication if you have a dedication page, and is only referencing the later printings, to boot.
Make me feel better, NO. But wrote "some people." I should have used a question mark...then it would've been Fox-like.
AA, that will be included on the Dedication Page in my next book.
Prince,
It seems that if there is a good thing coming from these books it is that there is much more focus on the lies in the MSM as opposed to 2004. That tells me there is a valid effort this time around to challenge this type of drivel to an extent. At least it is a start and I believe it is a further indication that the Rove style of politics is quickly turning off Americans.
ACHRIS, I totally agree.
The Rovian tactics are based on lack of information. Over the past 4-5 years, the Democrats have risen from their deep sleep and realized that the Cons who run the Republican Party will do anything to win an election, even use American Soldiers are fodder. Does any true Republican admire/approve of a Dick Cheney or a George Bush? I think some may but it seems the majority does not...Approval rating..what is it? 2%.....To answer my own question, why isn't Bush/Cheney stumping for McCain? Any ideas?
The Progressive talk shows and the Bloggers have punctured the bow of the Good Ship Rush Radio. They may not sink these talkers but the lifeboats for the masses have given rise to survivors.
This new Cons-Stitution is written in pencil so Republicans can change it when they feel like it.
Have they dedicated it to anyone?
So what is Corsi trying to say, Obama doesn't love his mother and father?
I wonder sometimes what the point of writing a book like this is.
An attempt to lend legitimacy to the claim Obama is a socialist. Remember Ann Coulter and her incessant babble about the connection of the Mccarthy era and the liberals ? She even invoked Hitler many times in her argument.
Ewe,
Not to be nitpicking but wouldn't that be research? :-)
I'm just funnin. Congratulations on your book! Having it in the Library of Congress is indeed something or which to be proud.
Its actually part of the publishing process to submit a copy to the Library of Congress.
I left a copy of it with the British Library of London. They sent me a very nice letter of thanks for it.
"Please Adjust Your Set, 59 graphical adventures", was put together to put together for the purpose of putting those 59 B&W works under one copywrite. Makes an good coloring book too.
Easy,
That is rich coming from a hit and run poster like you.
Okay. I'll stipulate Corsi is wrong about Obama's dedication and not man enough to admit it.
"You say it's a comprehensive look, and yet there are already online bloggers that are going through this book page by page and picking apart what they see as factual errors."
Must be Brewer thinks people can have differences of opinion about what constitutes a fact.
Somethings really are yes or no, black or white, intellect over belief.
There is a dedication or there isn't. If there is, then Corsi has made an error of fact about which he knowingly continues to give false statements, meaning that he's lying.
In other words, they really are factual errors in Corsi's book, not what some people believe to be errors.
Must be Brewer thinks people can have differences of opinion about what constitutes a fact.
Sorry that is completely evident in the so called News shows on the "right leaning media".
As long as we're here, let's note that Brewer's assertion that one mistake invalidates a book is typical media idiocy.
The media is wall-to-wall stupidity, even when the stupidity is on our "side".
My first impulse might have been to ask Corsi: where is the real flaw in the dedication, cannot Obama chose who he wants to dedicate a book too?Considering that Obama has and will have more, numerous books, and considering the book's title...what a useless trance to go on...
I think the _real story_
(not to diminish the negative impact of Corsi's book on our political discourse)
is in the media mattering department:
As Threshold Editions is a subsidiary of Simon & Schuster, which _Book Editors_ are on the Short-List for the Pink-Slip?