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Note to NPR: The only time Mississippi has ever gotten anything out of the federal government is ... always

August 06, 2008 3:29 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Reporting on U.S. Senate candidates campaigning at a Mississippi county fair, NPR's Debbie Elliott uncritically aired a clip of one fairgoer claiming that the "[o]nly time we have ever gotten anything out of the federal government was when the Republicans were there." In fact, according to the Tax Foundation, from 1981 through 2005, Mississippi has consistently received more from the federal government than the state's residents pay in taxes.

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While reporting on U.S. Senate candidates campaigning to the conservative crowd at Mississippi's Neshoba County Fair, NPR congressional correspondent Debbie Elliott aired a clip of fairgoer James Mayfield claiming U.S. Senate candidate and former Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove's alignment with the Democratic Party hurts in Mississippi because the "[o]nly time we have ever gotten anything out of the federal government was when the Republicans were there." At no point in her report did Elliott note that, according to the Tax Foundation, Mississippi is a long-term net beneficiary of federal government funds, consistently receiving more from the government than the state's residents pay in taxes.

According to a report by The Tax Foundation, a tax research organization that claims "[t]axes should raise revenue for programs while consuming as small a portion of national income as possible, and should interfere with economic growth, trade and capital flows as little as possible," from 1981 through 2005, Mississippi consistently received more money than it paid in taxes. In each of those years, Mississippi also ranked in the top four states in terms of how much the state received for each dollar it paid in taxes.

From the August 6 edition of NPR's Morning Edition:

ELLIOTT: Musgrove does benefit from Obama's popularity among African-Americans in Mississippi, more then a third of the state's population. But that's not something Musgrove touts to this nearly all-white rural crowd. This is the place to advertise conservative credentials.

MUSGROVE: Now, make no mistake about it, I'm a Mississippi Democrat: pro-life, pro-gun.

ELLIOTT: It's the same strategy Democrat [Rep.] Travis Childers used to win an upset victory in [Sen. Roger] Wicker's [R-MS] north Mississippi House district earlier this year. As a former governor, Musgrove is better known statewide than Wicker. But that's not necessarily an asset with this crowd.

MAYFIELD: We've had Musgrove as governor. He didn't do much to help us.

ELLIOTT: James Mayfield is sitting on a cabin porch with friends, shelling butter beans.

MAYFIELD: I think he's aligned too much with the Democratic Party.

ELLIOTT: Does that hurt you in Mississippi?

MAYFIELD: Yes. Only time we have ever gotten anything out of the federal government was when the Republicans were there. And you might not know it, but Ronald Reagan opened his presidential campaign here. Biggest crowd I've ever seen.

ELLIOTT: That was 1980 and the audience was packed with frustrated Democrats, the hardliners known as yellow dogs. The only known recording of that speech was captured by someone in the crowd using a cheap handheld tape recorder.

REAGAN: I know that in speaking to this crowd, that I'm speaking to what has to be about 90 percent Democrats. [crowd boos] I just meant -- I just meant by party affiliation. I didn't mean how you feel now.

ELLIOTT: He went on to express support for states' rights, a controversial statement considered code for segregation in a part of the country with a violent history. Neshoba County was where Klansmen killed three civil rights workers in 1964.

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    • Author by wzwriter (August 06, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
         
      No one could expect James Mayfield to know what he was talking about.  After all, he's a Republican from Mississippi - the state that kept electing Trent Lott......
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      • Author by the Grey Path (August 06, 2008 4:09 pm ET)
           
        Why did Mississippi gets a lot more assistance than Louisiana after Katrina?   Hateful Hailey Barbour, former Chairman of the RNC, is Governor.
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        • Author by wzwriter (August 06, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
             
          Plus the City of New Orleans was heavily Democratic.  More illegal activity by the Bush Crime Syndicate, aka the Bush Misadministration.
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    • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 3:38 pm ET)
         
      When you take into account the cost of a first class stamp then yes, Mississippi got more back than they sent it. :-) 
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      • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
           
        oops. sent in...
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      • Author by Governor (August 06, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
           
        I think your Peter Griffith as Andy Rooney routine needs work.  I just ate 12 pot brownies and that's still not funny. 
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        • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
             
          I'm just guessing - but do your brownies smell a lot like oregano?
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          • Author by MoonbatYouBet (August 06, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
               

            I'm beginning to think that you are actually trying to come off as a complete idiot.  What part of the phrase "pot brownies" called for you to try and insert some sort of innuendo about marijuana usage. 

            2 free humor tips for you:  1)  Once someone has stated something explicitly, subtle hinting is no longer comic.  2)  Smiley faces do not automatically equal funny.

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            • Author by Brabantio (August 06, 2008 5:36 pm ET)
                 

              To be fair, I think the point was that Governor only thought they were pot brownies, but the pot was actually oregano.  So he wasn't hinting at the same thing Governor said, he was playing off of it.

              The smiley face thing is a valid point though, to be sure. 

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              • Author by MoonbatYouBet (August 06, 2008 7:06 pm ET)
                   
                To be completely unfair, I think you may be misunderestimatizing AA's shortcomings.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 8:12 pm ET)
                   

                Brab,

                I find the irony rather humorous myself; being lectured to by people about what is funny when they obviously didn't understand the gist of the joke. 

                Humor is in the brain of the beholder. There's no accounting for it. Arguing with someone over what they think is funny and you don't is an exercise in futility.

                Heck, some people here think juvenile insults are droll.  Personally, I find them drool. 

                :-)  

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                • Author by princeofwheels (August 07, 2008 11:34 am ET)
                     
                  To hell with all of you, pass the BROWNIES. Good job (on those) BROWNIES
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    • Author by Kaliman (August 06, 2008 3:53 pm ET)
         
      I interpreted the lack of comment as an indicator of how ignorant the guy who said it was.  It was a stand-alone comment meant to show how in the pocket of Republicans (and all that may stand for) Mississipians are. 
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      • Author by wzwriter (August 06, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
           

        I interpreted the lack of comment as an indicator of how ignorant the guy who said it was.  It was a stand-alone comment meant to show how in the pocket of Republicans (and all that may stand for) Mississipians are. 

        And it shows how the GOP caters to the stupid.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 06, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
           
        And the hypocricy is that these same Republican Mississippians would object (no, they would scream bloody murder) to any of their precious federal tax dollars being directed to helping any poor black people in the state. They won't say it on camera, but hang out in the local diner or bar in small town Mississippi...
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        • Author by BottleBlonde (August 06, 2008 7:55 pm ET)
             
          In Texas it's the "Mexicans". What they mean by "Mexicans" in many small communities is Americans of Mexican heritage. The older white folks feel burdened by the poorer people in town. Of course, they ignore the fact that a big reason they're the poorer people is generations of discrimination by the whites! It's not like blacks in Mississippi or "Mexicans" in Texas are genetically inferior or culturally inferior.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 8:20 pm ET)
             

          Irony,

          I find it rather amusing that you use a stereotype of a racist as your "Republican" detector. Sorry. Your prejudice is as bad as the one you claim belong to Mississippi Republicans.

           

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 06, 2008 9:45 pm ET)
               
            AA, Mississippi Republicans are, generally speaking, racists. They won't say certain things in front of a camera (well, the ignorant ones might) but talk to them privately and it's quite obvious they are (although some will deny it when called on it). Unless you live in the South you have absolutely no idea what it's like...it's a whole 'nuther world, man. I stand by what I said.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 10:38 pm ET)
                 

              Irony,

              You don't know if the racists are Democrats, Republicans, or more likely, not affiliated and don't vote.

              Again you are stereotyping millions of people as racists based on your very limited exposure to people who hang out in bars.  That is simply laughable.  

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              • Author by IRONY 101 (August 06, 2008 10:54 pm ET)
                   

                AA, probably about 80% of white voters in Mississippi identify themselves as Republican (I'll try to find you the cite.). Essentially, although with some exception, the Republican Party in Mississippi is regarded as the white party. Mississippi also has a very big chapter of the racist Council of Conservative Citizens. In fact, Haley Barbour spoke to them and his picture has been used on their website. Do you think these are Democrats?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens

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                • Author by IRONY 101 (August 06, 2008 10:58 pm ET)
                     

                  BTW, AA, have you ever even been to Mississippi and spent any time time there interacting with the people. I have all my life. For someone who has not been to Mississippi and interacted with the people there to deny that Mississippi is a racist state is what is truly laughable.

                  I think some people like you don't get out enough in the real world...

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                  • Author by Hellsau (August 07, 2008 10:24 pm ET)
                       

                    "Mississippi is a racist state"

                     Mississippi isn't racist. It was one of the greatest states!

                     That was before the people moved there, of course.

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              • Author by IRONY 101 (August 06, 2008 11:13 pm ET)
                   

                your very limited exposure to people who hang out in bars. 

                Please go to any local white diner, grocery store or bar in any rural Mississippi town...or Louisiana, for that matter, too. There you are likely to find the people who are extremely open in their racism. But, please also go to a white Republican country club in Mississippi and report back to me what you hear from the members after a few drinks. AA, you have no idea what you are talking about...

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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 07, 2008 12:51 am ET)
                     
                  AA doesn't even know he's a racist, I wouldn't expect him to recognize it in others.
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                  • Author by IRONY 101 (August 07, 2008 10:02 am ET)
                       
                    Just to be clear, I'm not at all accusing AA of being a racist...or that all white Mississippians are racists. But you can't deny Mississippi's heritage of racism. Many upper crust white Mississippians trace their family fortunes back to the days of slavery and the inferiority of blacks is almost an institutionalized attitude. Of course, some progress is being made. For example, white and black church congregations are beginning to reach out to one another. And Mississippi has the largest per capita number of elected black officials...although that is somewhat of an illusion as we are speaking of primarily areas. But, generally speaking, it's a white Republican power structure that controls things and they play off the racism of the white populace. You really have to spend some time there to understand...
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    • Author by MRF (August 06, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
         

      This is a state where the residents pay a sales tax on groceries. Attempts to roll it back and make the structure more progressive have been beaten back by the likes of Barbour and his corporate cronies. Nothing like voting against your own interest.

       http://www.cbpp.org/3-16-06sfp3.htm

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/07/AR2007030700240.html

      Republican Gov. Haley Barbour opposes the bill saying he doesn't want to change the grocery tax rate while the state still faces economic uncertainty 18 months after Hurricane Katrina.  Similarly, Republican Sen. Tommy Robertson, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, opposes the legislation, arguing that the poorest families pay no grocery tax because their food stamp purchases are tax exempt.

      But others disagree.  Alan Nunnelee, the Republican chairman of the Senate Public Health Committee, said reducing the grocery tax and boosting the cigarette excise tax are equally beneficial.

      "Our citizens smoke and get sick because they smoke much more so than citizens of other states.  And I have to believe that in some way that's tied to the fact that we have the third lowest cigarette tax in the nation," Nunnelee said.  "But there is a corresponding issue that I think is equally a public health issue, and that's a sales tax on groceries."

      Source: Emily Wagster Pettus, "Mississippi's high grocery tax debated," Houston Chronicle, March 7, 2007.

       

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      • Author by shaggles (August 06, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
           
        Wow.  I live in Washington and we haven't had sales tax on groceries for about 30 years.
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    • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
         

      Media Matters (very little) goes after the real enemy.....Mississippi fairgoers!!

      MM(vl) has uncovered the evil that resides in NPR.  Imagine letting a 'fairgoer' speak his mind for the sole purpose of undermining the free world!  Oh the humanity!  How can we remain silent while the world watches the destruction of civilization?

      MM(vl), thanks for taking such a courageous position!  Keep on keeping on!

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      • Author by wzwriter (August 06, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
           
        Well - "Nothing To-Be-Proud-Of" Conservative just slithered in, dumped some useless drek in this thread, and crawled back under his rock once again.  Can Taz and Shoes be far behind??
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 06, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
             

          Hey Proud...

          Can you ever post anything that

          1)  Makes a lick of Sense

          2)  Is actually relevant to the thread

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          • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 06, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
               

            I just e-mailed Debbie Elliott...

            NPR is really losing a lot of credibility with this kind of garbage.  They know they can't overtly spread the filth themselves, so they find surrogates sitting on porches.

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          • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 6:07 pm ET)
               

            lazyrider & McCain's lodging,

            So sorry to have interrupted the highly important thread that shows how NPR is in the tank for Republicans.  This is a pretty lame, even for MM(vl) standards, pre-emptive strike against the facists at NPR.  

            This is about as relevant as figuring out if Obama is first, fifth or seventeenth most liberal in the democrat beauty pageant.

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            • Author by mefirst (August 06, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
                 
              the point is that they had a person expressing something as a fact, when it was not true.  this stuff is the type of crap that is passed off as "commentary", when it's nothing more than a lot of blather. 
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              • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
                   

                yousomewhereinthemuddle,

                So you would agree the statement below had no place in the story since it's implications were false and biased as well?

                REAGAN: I know that in speaking to this crowd, that I'm speaking to what has to be about 90 percent Democrats. [crowd boos] I just meant -- I just meant by party affiliation. I didn't mean how you feel now.

                ELLIOTT: He went on to express support for states' rights, a controversial statement considered code for segregation in a part of the country with a violent history. Neshoba County was where Klansmen killed three civil rights workers in 1964.

                The linkage with Reagan and something that happened in 1964 is outrageous!  This rather than one fairgoer's opinion is what is reprehensible about the NPR story.

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                • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 06, 2008 6:53 pm ET)
                     

                  Now that's at least an interesting point Proud...

                  Your feigned outrage about Elliott's including Reagan's States' rights schtick.

                  Everyone knows Reagan was playing the race card.  He admitted it himself.  He was a filthy conservative punk.  Old Red Ink Reagan.

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                  • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 6:59 pm ET)
                       

                    7degreesofmccain,

                    He admitted it?  How so?

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                    • Author by mefirst (August 06, 2008 7:23 pm ET)
                         

                      what was incorrect in the statement?  reagan did speak about state's rights, and many do see that as  "code words" [it clearly was, because it was used by many southern segrationists], and that county was where the three civil rights workers were killed.  what's false?

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                      • Author by mefirst (August 06, 2008 7:25 pm ET)
                           
                        and reagan opened his campaign there.  they looked long and wide and that was what they came up with to start the campaign. 
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                • Author by neondesert (August 06, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
                     
                  You need commas after "This" and "opinion" in your last sentence.
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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 06, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
                 

              Proud, once again, (there may be a position for you at NPR)

              You don't win converts by making silly posts.

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              • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 7:17 pm ET)
                   

                3doublewidesofclinton,

                Sorry to disagree but the point was how silly this idea of NPR tanking the democrat party with one 'fairgoer's' comment, according to MM(vl).

                And as for making a point, sometimes satire cuts to the quick better than feigned outrage at supposed media bias against the left.

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                • Author by mefirst (August 06, 2008 8:43 pm ET)
                     
                  they didn't claim that it would tank the democratic party.  mmfa said they  ran an opinion by a voter who was attacking the democrats, and that opinion was untrue. 
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                • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 07, 2008 12:04 am ET)
                     

                  Proud,

                  I have to admit, your funny rewrites of different posters "monikers" are pretty funny,

                  but, come on man, it would be better if you didn't make posts that were really, really stupid. You've made some decent posts at times.

                  You're a smart guy.  We'll respect you if you make a decent post.

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            • Author by neondesert (August 06, 2008 6:52 pm ET)
                 
              "even for MM(vl) standards" should have been contained within either hyphens or parenthesis, not commas.
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      • Author by neondesert (August 06, 2008 6:05 pm ET)
           

        Media Matters (very little) goes after the real enemy.....Mississippi fairgoers!!

        You should have used a colon after "enemy" instead of  ellipses.  Thusly:

        Media Matters (very little) goes after the real enemy: Mississippi fairgoers!!

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 06, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
             

          You're really putting the punk in punctuation today, Neon. I like to see a people-helper.

          BTW, not to brag, but I got to open for dread Zeppelin a couple of times. Very nice chaps.

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          • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
               

            kernal,

            Tsk, tsk.  You did brag but kudos anyway.  Did they sing Stairway to H-E double touthpicks as part of their reptoire?

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            • Author by neondesert (August 06, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
                 

              That should be "repertoire".

              And...geez... DON'T COMMENT ON THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

              Sorry.  I'm trying to help, and I lost my temper.  Just....stay away from the music, 'kay?

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          • Author by neondesert (August 06, 2008 7:09 pm ET)
               

            Thanks, Col.  I just hate to see a poster display such a lack of intelligence on both subject and technique.  I figured I'd see if I couldn't help out with the technique since that would be easiest.

            I didn't even know you played.  Bragging is cool in that case.  Other than singing backup for Manilow, I have pretty much nothing on my resume of any note.  Dread has been one of the most fun shows I have ever had the pleasure of seeing.  Love the concept, and the music is entirely listenable.

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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 06, 2008 8:01 pm ET)
                 
              I'm a mostly retired musician these days , aside from some enthusiastic "playing with myself", or solo musical destruction. I somehow ended up playing bass in a band that played bad 80s covers and tv theme songs to drunks about 10-15 years ago. It was a temporary fill-in, like a one-time experiment with Oxycontin, that rolled into a shameful years-long disgrace.
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              • Author by proudconservative (August 06, 2008 11:11 pm ET)
                   
                Will you two go find a room for yourselves, please?
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 07, 2008 12:58 am ET)
                     

                  Or you could go back to the big dry-erase board by your bunk bed, and work on some new "clever*" wordplay on the names of other posters. Why don't you do that? It's really the most interesting part of your posts, everything being relative.

                  *NOTE:May not contain actual cleverness

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              • Author by neondesert (August 07, 2008 12:42 am ET)
                   

                Nothing to be ashamed of.  After being out of music for about 20 some-odd years myself, I'd join a polka band just to play again.

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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 07, 2008 1:00 am ET)
                     
                  It was the only band I was in that got paid pretty regular, and stoopid enough that DredZep could have us open without their shtick being too much of a leap. And I'm on a waiting list to get in a Polka band.
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    • Author by peebs755 (August 07, 2008 4:13 am ET)
         
      If I remember correctly, most of the "Red States" get more than they pay in tax help from the Feds. "Blue States", on the whole pay more than they receive from the Feds. So its humorous to hear righties in those "Red" states complain about their taxes. Also, when I've been visiting in the South, I've had no problem finding Racists. They have no problem letting you know how they feel.
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