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MSNBC anchor Savidge baselessly asked, "[I]sn't [Obama] a bit of a liar?"

August 06, 2008 7:03 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Addressing Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis, MSNBC anchor Martin Savidge said: "John McCain is claiming that he is also getting money from Big Oil. The question here is, [Sen. Barack] Obama's getting that same money, so isn't he a bit of a liar claiming McCain is the man guilty of getting Big Oil money?" In fact, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama received $394,465 from the oil and gas industry as of July 28, while McCain received more than triple that amount: approximately $1.3 million.

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During a segment in which MSNBC aired a recent Obama campaign television ad asserting that Sen. John McCain is "in the pocket" of American oil companies, anchor Martin Savidge said of Sen. Barack Obama, "[I]sn't he a bit of a liar?" Addressing Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis, Savidge said: "John McCain is claiming that he [Obama] is also getting money from Big Oil. The question here is, Obama's getting that same money, so isn't he a bit of a liar claiming McCain is the man guilty of getting Big Oil money?" But Obama is not "getting that same money." As Media Matters for America has noted, McCain has received significantly more money from the oil and gas industry. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama received $394,465 from the oil and gas industry as of July 28, while McCain received more than triple that amount: approximately $1.3 million.

From the 3 p.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on August 6:

SAVIDGE: Chris Kofinis is a Democratic strategist and former communications director for John Edwards. Cheri Jacobus is a Republican strategist. Hello to both of you. Cheri, let me ask you this. I want to read to you Obama campaign -- or their response, actually, to the latest McCain ad, and it goes something like this: "Another day brings a dishonest attack from John McCain. While Senator Obama has proposed cutting taxes for 95 percent of American families, what he's not telling us is that he wants to give $4 billion in tax credits to the oil companies, and continue giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and provide no direct tax relief," and on and on and on. What I'm getting at here, Cheri, is can you site one Obama proposal where he's really said he's going to raise taxes to anyone making less than $250,000 a year?

JACOBUS: Oh, look. We already know he's done it. He's already voted for a bill while he was in the Senate, the short time he's been in the Senate, that would raise taxes on families earning $35,000 or more, so it's actually there. The problem with his response in the real world with politics is that, when you said it, you said, "and on and on and on." He's got to parse his words and sort of tap-dance around to try to give an explanation, so I think that Obama's a little bit off his game if he can't come up with something that really is going to resonate with voters.

SAVIDGE: All right, Chris, Obama's talking about money from -- taking money from Big Oil, and yet, you know, John McCain is claiming that he is also getting money from Big Oil. The question here is, Obama's getting that same money, so isn't he a bit of a liar claiming McCain is the man guilty of getting Big Oil money?

KOFINIS: No, I think it has to do with, you know, the fact that, you know, John McCain is taking millions of dollars from oil companies. He's taking millions of dollars from PACs and lobbyists. I think it's a significant difference. Barack Obama doesn't take a dime from either PACs or lobbyists. But what's really fascinating about what's happening here is that these two campaigns are really struggling and fighting it out trying to define each other. I think the problem for John McCain is, every time you go on the attack and you exaggerate the truth and you basically misstate the truth, as he did in this latest attack ad, you basically diminish your brand. I mean, it's ironic that he's doing a "maverick" commercial when he's anything but. I mean, that, I think, is the fundamental challenge facing the McCain campaign. They can't decide which candidate they are. Are they the candidate from 2000, or are they the Bush-loving, Bush policy-loving candidate of 2008?

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 06, 2008 7:14 pm ET)
         

      Obama: "Just words, just speeches"

       

       

      I also suppose Savage could call McCain a "liar" for running attack ads on Obama, when he said he wasn't going to (much to the chagrin of Rush Limbaugh [when I thought he {Rush} sold out the American people for the Republican Party] and the whole Operation: Chaos bit)

       

      "Just words, just speeches"

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      • Author by steeve (August 06, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
           
        I'm not sure where "Just words, just speeches" is going, but I can see why you didn't add "not actively seeking to destroy the country". It doesn't roll off the tongue.

        But that's the only qualification a presidential candidate needs in this day and age.
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      • Author by BottleBlonde (August 06, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
           
        Is there some valid reason you feel the need to have your posts take up twice the space of other posts by doubling the white space in your posts?
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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 06, 2008 9:22 pm ET)
             

          Formatting, give indication to a pause in my thoughts, that type of thing.

          When I post I try to write just like I talk. I think I come off more naturally that way.

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          • Author by BottleBlonde (August 07, 2008 12:43 am ET)
               

            When you post you come off as a space hog, trying to gain more attention for your posts than what they deserve.

            Making paragraphs is sufficient for anything other than a really big point. You do it on most of your posts.

            Your posts are not that awe-inspiring.

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          • Author by wzwriter (August 07, 2008 10:47 am ET)
               

            When I post I try to write just like I talk.

            But I see you already edit out where you start each sentence with the word "duh".  :-)

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        • Author by ecmarauder (August 07, 2008 8:22 am ET)
             
          BB,do you have a valid reason for posting such an inane post complaining about posting space? I don't recall mmfa ever running out of posting space. As far as wasting space,your entire post is wasted space, and darnit,now I've compounded it by wasting space,and time, to address your inanity.            Barrack=Carter
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      • Author by shoes89 (August 06, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
           

        There was nothing "baseless" about Savidge's statement!

        Obama clearly misled the public by implying that McCain took money from Big Oil but he didn't.

        Obama DID lie. Period.

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (August 06, 2008 9:03 pm ET)
             
          Wow, I thought I heard something....must have been the wind.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 06, 2008 10:40 pm ET)
               
            Nah, it was just a fart in the wind. They seem loud, but in the end all they do is stink.
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          • Author by wzwriter (August 07, 2008 10:48 am ET)
               

            Wow, I thought I heard something....must have been the wind.

            Shoes IS like the wind.  The wind you get after eating a big bowl of chili....

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            • Author by philib (August 08, 2008 9:24 am ET)
                 

                 So, you answer charges of O'bama lying by complaining that someone farted? Is that the typical liberal response?

               

                 It must be true that O'bama lies if no one can bring evidence that he didn't. Thank you all for providing more examples of O'bama's personallity. We can add liar to his long list of liberal qualities.

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        • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 06, 2008 11:21 pm ET)
             

          Shoes-

          McCain didn't take money from oil companies?

           

          Oh.... I see...  lying = telling the truth!  It's opposite day!!! 

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        • Author by chamay0 (August 08, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
             
          What planet are you from!  McCain has taken money from every company, small business, foreign company and major corporation that's given to his campaign.  The only reason he would give any money back would be due to someone reporting that the donation was not above board.  News Flash:  Go read a book and get your facts straight. 
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    • Author by snoopy (August 06, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
         


      23/6 THEATER CORNER

       

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      Extended engagement
      Venue: Floor of U.S. House of Representatives

      "Gas Price Showdown," a musical dramedy starring an talented ensemble of 24 rabidly right-wing members of the House of Representatives, might very well be this season's "August: Osage County." In one of the most avant-garde and minimalist productions I've seen all year, the Republicans begin their dazzling production with scant stagecraft: The stage is bathed in dim light while the actors' dialogue is carried only by the incredible strength of their vocal cords—no microphones or fancy technical wizardry here.

      Newcomers John Shadegg, Mike Pense, Ted Poe, and Tom Price are wonderful playing uber-patriotic Americans, demanding that evil-doer Nancy Pelosi—who here exists only as a large cardboard cutout—return immediately to the Capitol to schedule a vote on offshore drilling.

      But clearly the show belongs to conservative Southern congresswoman Marsha Blackburn. Dripping with a perverse brand of Republican sex appeal, the comely Tennessean steals the heart of every red-blooded man in the audience. Her complex, lengthy, thought-provoking and ultimately meaningless monologue about the misgivings of the "Democrat" Party is laced with a sexy Southern drawn and is about as seductive a soliloquy as we've ever encountered. Not surprisingly, by the end, Blackburn wins the heart of steely, macho Ohio Congressman John Boehner. Their chemistry on the House floor is electrifying and exhilarating—they have become perhaps the most memorable duo in theater history, recalling the giddy heyday of Alfred Lunt and Lynne Fontanne.

      "Gas Price Showdown" reignites my faith in the theater. Don't miss one of the year's most spectacularly acted shows. You'll leave the theater wanting to gut and kill a Democrat!

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (August 06, 2008 9:55 pm ET)
           
        I would suggest killing before gutting, it's cleaner ;)
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      • Author by BottleBlonde (August 07, 2008 12:46 am ET)
           

        I have a relative who was on a tour of the Capitol bldg on Monday, and as a result of the small Republican contingent there in the chamber, that relative got to go inside the House of Representatives chambers instead of just viewing the place from the gallery!

        He appreciated the insider's view. He didn't appreciate the speeches, but he did like the extra privilege! So there's been one good thing out the Republicans making a spectacle of themselves.

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    • Author by steeve (August 06, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
         
      The media is stupid even if you grant their false premise.

      If I stole $100, and you stole $100, and I said "You stole $100", I'm not lying.
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    • Author by snoopy (August 06, 2008 7:39 pm ET)
         
      FOXNews Flips Heckler Story, Says Obama SKIPPED Pledge Of AllegianceBy: Logan Murphy on Wednesday, August 6th, 2008 at 4:30 PM - PDT  

      video_wmv Download | Play  video_mov Download | Play  (h/t Bill W)

      Some idiot got access to press credentials and got into an Obama campaign rally yesterday in Berea, Ohio and began heckling the candidate, demanding he say the pledge of allegiance. Obama handled it perfectly by quieting the crowd and calling the guy’s bluff by leading the crowd in reciting the pledge.

      Ya wanna talk lying, look no further than fox and republicans. I'm sure Rush is right proud of that implant...

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 06, 2008 7:53 pm ET)
           
        I live in Cleveland.  The local news reported that when this plant was asked his name, he replied John Q. Public.
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        • Author by Science101 (August 06, 2008 9:52 pm ET)
             

          I live in Cleveland. 

          I grew up there - far east suburbs.  Boy has that city gone downhill, eh?

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 06, 2008 11:23 pm ET)
               
            It can't be that bad... after all, you're not there anymore!
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (August 07, 2008 10:17 am ET)
               

            Science,

            When did you get younger?  When you were HstyBuff you claimed Vietnam War service.

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      • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (August 06, 2008 10:22 pm ET)
           
        Thanks, SNOOPY, for the great downloads. The heckler at the Obama event was, indeed wearing a name tag that said, "John Q. Public". As others have asked, where does it say the Pledge has to be recited before a campaign event? What is this, "Triumph of the Will"?
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (August 06, 2008 8:13 pm ET)
         

      Speaking of liars, Keith Olbermann said on Monday that the Leaning Tower of Pisa and the Washington Monument were shown in the "celeb" ad by the McCain campaign. 

      This is false, according to everyone who has analyzed the claim, including the progressive website Daily Howler.

      Enjoy:

       

      http://dailyhowler.com/dh080608.shtml

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      • Author by clams casino (August 06, 2008 8:30 pm ET)
           

        Or you could watch the ad for yourself. It sure looks like the Washington Monument, the Victory Column and the Leaning Tower of Pisa to me. If that isn't the Leaning Tower 8 seconds into the ad, then what is it?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXYsw_ZDXg

         

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        • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
             

          Clams,

          Except it isn't leaning.  

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          • Author by clams casino (August 06, 2008 8:43 pm ET)
               

            Again, if it isn't the Tower of Pisa, then what is it? It's a question.

            And if it isn't the Tower of Pisa, it's still a phallic symbol, which was Olbermann's point. 

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            • Author by clams casino (August 06, 2008 8:50 pm ET)
                 
              OK, answering my own question, sort of. Watching it again, although the architecture looks nearly identical, the tower in the ad looks thinner than the Tower of Pisa. I fail to see how this makes Olbermann a liar. Again, his point was that the ad featured three architectural phallic symbols alongside Britney, Paris and Obama. And it does.
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            • Author by anotheramerican (August 06, 2008 10:31 pm ET)
                 

              Clams,

              Looks like a minaret to me. :-) 

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          • Author by Brabantio (August 06, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
               
            It isn't?  The right edge is straight up and down, the left edge leans to the right as it goes up.  If it's cylindrical and straight upright, then the camera must be tilted, along with Obama himself.  Also note that it seems to be taken from more of an upward angle than Obama is.  This effect would suggest that the building is leaning away from the camera.
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        • Author by Graydogs (August 06, 2008 10:55 pm ET)
             
          It just appears to be a camera close up of the Victory Column.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 06, 2008 9:00 pm ET)
         
      What, your going to deny them a chance to nit pick a small detail so they can disregard the larger message? Can we survive the increasing number of exploding heads that that would lead to?
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 07, 2008 12:05 am ET)
           

        Google some images of the Tower of Pisa, that's not it.

        On the upside, EW, that Olbermannwatch site might hace their first actual catch after... how many years?

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    • Author by hogprint (August 06, 2008 9:28 pm ET)
         

      MMfA-

      In fact, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama received $394,465 from the oil and gas industry

      I guess it's like being a LITTLE  pregnant! 

       

       

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (August 06, 2008 9:54 pm ET)
           
        HP, BHO, as JSM, has received no monies from the gas and/or oil industries, perhaps from individual representatives of same, but not from the Corps themselves.  Besides, the contributors are just "hedging their bets."
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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 06, 2008 11:26 pm ET)
           
        You tell that straw man!!
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    • Author by dandrea (August 07, 2008 1:42 am ET)
         
      All I want to know is---Is Martin Savidge now on MSNBC? If he is, he's had a bad start with his dismissiveness of Obama by his " on and on, and on" statement and by calling him a liar. He been around for a long time.
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    • Author by ppclarke7909 (August 07, 2008 12:08 pm ET)
         
      It is not just Savidge, it's so easy for these "grusome" so called Newsmen/women to attach negative labels to Democrats.  Whereas they would never do the same to the Republicans.  They don't even care any more about seeming unfair to Democratic candidates (I think they see their unfairness to Democrats as a badge of honor).  Their discussions always surround giving the Republican surrogate or candidate a chance to bash the Democratic candidate; and the Republican a chance to defend their candidate.  It rarely is the other way around.  Then Democrats wonder why they consistently lose these elections.  As long as media figures have this mentality, it will be very difficult for any Democratic Candidate to win in a presidential election.!
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