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Hannity falsely claimed "Obama can't point to a single instance in which ... Sean Hannity or talk radio" has "made an issue of Obama's race"

August 07, 2008 5:41 pm ET
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SUMMARY: On his radio show, Sean Hannity said that Sen. Barack Obama "can't point to a single instance in which President Bush or McCain or Karl Rove or Sean Hannity or talk radio or any other major Republican has made an issue of Obama's race." In fact, Hannity asserted on the March 2 edition of Hannity's America: "As more is learned about Barack Obama's positions, his past, and his affiliations, it seems that the 'change' candidate has all the same problems with race as those before him," and later added, "It's only fair to ask: Do the Obamas have a race problem of their own?" Media Matters has also documented numerous examples of other radio and TV personalities making "an issue of Obama's race."

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Four days after falsely suggesting that no "prominent Republican" has "said that [Sen. Barack Obama] is not patriotic, or that he's got a funny name," Sean Hannity claimed on the August 4 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program that Obama "can't point to a single instance in which President Bush or [Sen. John] McCain or [former White House senior adviser] Karl Rove or Sean Hannity or talk radio or any other major Republican has made an issue of Obama's race." In fact, as Media Matters for America noted, Hannity asserted on the March 2 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America: "As more is learned about Barack Obama's positions, his past, and his affiliations, it seems that the 'change' candidate has all the same problems with race as those before him," and later added, "It's only fair to ask: Do the Obamas have a race problem of their own?"

Hannity has also repeatedly distorted what Michelle Obama wrote in her 1985 Princeton University senior thesis, taking the following phrase from the thesis out of context to suggest that she has divisive views of race: "because of the belief that Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a White oppressor." As Media Matters documented, the full paragraph in the thesis makes clear that Obama was purporting to document attitudes among black Princeton alumni who attended the school in the '70s, and not asserting her own views.

Media Matters has also documented numerous examples of other radio and TV personalities making "an issue of Obama's race."

Radio host Rush Limbaugh:

  • On the June 2 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio program, while discussing Obama's presidential candidacy, Limbaugh asserted that the Democratic Party was "go[ing] with a veritable rookie whose only chance of winning is that he's black."
  • On May 21, Limbaugh said that "Barack Obama is an affirmative action candidate." Speaking about 'feminazis,' " Limbaugh asserted: "They forgot affirmative action for black guys. And because of that, every bit of their plan has gone up in smoke now, because they -- if -- they had to come out in favor of affirmative action for black guys, and that's -- see, this is one of the things that really irritates the women. And there are women all over this country fit to be tied -- trust me on this. ... [L]iberals eventually are going to be devoured by their own policies. And it has happened here. Because Barack Obama is an affirmative action candidate." He concluded, "So, it's just -- they just forgot that one thing: affirmative action for black guys. And if they had remembered to oppose that, then they wouldn't face the situation they face today."
  • Limbaugh stated during his May 14 broadcast that "[i]f Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago."
  • On the January 24, 2007, edition of his radio show, Limbaugh referred to Obama and actress Halle Berry as "Halfrican American[s]," stating that "Barack Obama has picked up another endorsement: Halfrican American actress Halle Berry." Limbaugh then said: " 'As a Halfrican American, I am honored to have Ms. Berry's support, as well as the support of other Halfrican Americans,' Obama said." Limbaugh then conceded that Obama "didn't say it."

Fox News contributor Monica Crowley:

  • Guest-hosting the June 23 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Laura Ingraham Show, Crowley forwarded a wholly unsubstantiated smear that Obama has lied about his ethnicity. A caller to the show claimed that Obama is "not really African-American. He's Arab. Forty-three percent Arab, 6 percent African negro, and half white. And that is the biggest fraud being perpetrated on us all." In response, Crowley said that "according to this genealogy -- and again, because I haven't done the research, I can't verify this -- but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African." Crowley continued: "And yet, this guy is campaigning as black and painting anybody who dares to criticize him as a racist. I mean, that is -- it is the biggest con I think I've ever seen."

Radio hosts Melanie Morgan and Brian Sussman

  • On the December 4, 2006, broadcast of San Francisco radio station KSFO's Sussman, Morgan & Vic, in speaking to a co-host -- apparently Sussman -- Morgan referred to Obama as an, "as you call, 'Halfrican.' " Sussman responded, "Halfrican ... his father was from Kenya, his mother's white." He added that, "in my opinion -- 'cause my opinion is your average white guy," Obama "is not allowed to wear the African-American badge because his family are not the descendants of slaves, OK? He can't identify with the discrimination and the slavery and all of that that's gone into these black families for generations."

Sussman also said, "I have ... nothing against mixed-race people," but later added, "I get offended and I know I have many black friends who get offended when he [Obama] stands in front of that black audience talking like he's from the hood, born and raised, and ... can identify with all of their issues. He can't!"

Radio host John Gibson:

  • On the June 6 edition of his Fox News Radio show, Gibson said to a caller who spoke favorably of Obama: "You don't know what Barack Obama stands for. You just like him because he's -- he's -- he's like you and you want to see one of you up there, and you don't care what he stands for." The caller responded: "[H]e's not one of me. ... He's not one of me just because he's a black guy or something like that. That doesn't make him one of me. He's standing for him, not me."
  • During the April 9 broadcast of his radio show, Gibson told a caller, "[Y]ou are the third or fourth caller in a row who is -- has identified yourself to [associate producer] Christine as African-American. And when I talk to you, you obviously are smart, well-educated, well-read, and all that, and I think that your loyalty to Obama here is an issue that goes beyond the issues." When the caller asserted, "No, it's not -- it's not beyond the issues," Gibson said, "It is a racial solidarity bond you have with Obama. Tell me -- I dare you to deny that." Moments later, Gibson added: "You're sticking with Obama, because he's ... he's a brother." Gibson also asserted about Obama: "He is lying to your face but he knows you are so -- you so identify with him on the basis of race, you will not even see the lies."

CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck:

  • On the February 12, 2007, broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Beck featured Philadelphia-based conservative radio host Dom Giordano, who claimed that "the mainstream media has dubbed [Obama] to be African-American" and said, "If you start to, you know, delve around the edges, say, 'Wait a minute, isn't he mixed race? Weren't we told that last year?' Or whatever, biracial. Not allowed to say that anymore." Beck responded by saying "he's very white in many ways," adding, "Gee, can I even say that? Can I even say that without somebody else starting a campaign saying, 'What does he mean, "He's very white?" ' He is. He's very white."

After the interview, Beck attempted to clarify his comments to executive producer and head writer of The Glenn Beck Program, Steve Burguiere, who is known on- air as "Stu." Beck claimed that Obama "is colorless," adding that "as a white guy ... [y]ou don't notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?" In addition, Beck said: "I guarantee you, there will be blogs today that will have me being a racist because I say that."

  • On the January 25 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Beck asserted: "[I]f [Sen.] Hillary Clinton wants to be consistent, I believe, affirmative action, she should give Barack Obama an additional five percentage points just for the years of oppression."

From the August 5 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:

HANNITY: But I think they made a real tactical mistake here by playing the race card the way they did. It's -- because Senator McCain has gone out of his way not to do this. You know, they're making the argument that Obama is a risky choice for president. And that is the right argument to make because he doesn't have experience. And after all, if Obama had his way, we would already have been defeated in Iraq. We would have lost a major war. That's a risky experiment.

You know, when Obama says they're going to scare Americans by saying that he doesn't look like all those presidents on dollar bills, he can't mean anything other than race. In fact, Obama tipped his hand when he said it back in June: "Oh, and did I mention he's black?"

Obama can't point to a single instance in which President Bush or McCain or Karl Rove or Sean Hannity or talk radio or any other major Republican has made an issue of Obama's race.

As for his name, earlier in the campaign, when my buddy Bill Cunningham in Cincinnati, great American that he is, criticized -- he was criticized by McCain for saying Barack Hussein Obama. The only one that keeps bringing up Obama's middle name is Barack Obama. So the charge is without merit. And it is his name, by the way.

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    • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 5:47 pm ET)
         
      Not to mention that Hannity's entire campaign against Obama's church was based on the false premise that the church was racially exclusive. If that's not making an issue of Obama's race, then I don't know what is.
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      • Author by Science101 (August 07, 2008 6:18 pm ET)
           
        Err - the church teaches black theology and anti-american government towards blacks.  That is a racially motivated church - regardless of the people who attend  it.
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          • Author by wookie (August 07, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
               
            I just find it amusing that the right is arguing against the influence of theology on government. Funny that didn't happen when Falwell was preaching about"civil wrongs".
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          • Author by Science101 (August 07, 2008 6:52 pm ET)
               
            The image of jesus christ as a white man has been laid out even before blacks were part of western culture.
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            • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 6:56 pm ET)
                 
              Since when was Jesus white?
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              • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 7:01 pm ET)
                   

                Some people have Jesus white, some have him black, some have him gay, some have him straight, some have him single, some have him married, some have him liberal, some have him conservative, and others have him nonexistant.

                 

                Did I get them all?

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                • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 7:24 pm ET)
                     

                  Some people have Jesus white, some have him black, some have him gay, some have him straight, some have him single, some have him married, some have him liberal, some have him conservative, and others have him nonexistant.

                  Okay. I'll bite on the possibly gay, married or in some views non-existant but where the frick did you get the conservative from?

                   

                  It may have been a while since l read the New Testament but l really didn't find too much in there that you could point at that would label Jesus conservative.

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                  • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
                       
                    Now you understand how people like Hannity are able to claim as fact something that can easily be proven wrong and have a following who eat it up.
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                    • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
                         

                      I get it. A large dose of teh stupid.

                       

                      We have it over here and sadly it's not confined to ageing former football hooligans. We now have as Mayor of London a man that make Bush seem intelligent, articulate and sincere, propped up by a herd of diet Limbaugh's. 

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                      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:27 am ET)
                           

                        . We now have as Mayor of London a man that make Bush seem intelligent, articulate and sincere

                        You've elected a dead guy? Seriously, UK, how do you know about Limbaugh and all of these nuts? Are they on over there? Is it that Fox sister station, Skytv? Tell me it's not so, please!

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                        • Author by ukobserver (August 08, 2008 5:40 am ET)
                             
                          Hate to break it to you Harlan, but as well as Sky News we also get FoxNews, due to the fact that they are both under the ownership of the Aussie Murdoch. I "discovered" them in 2003 when a bad case of insomnia kept me up & l ended up watching FoxNews and Hannity lied about something which even l knew was a lie. As l had been following US politics as a hobby for a few years and had just gone online at the time l ended up following the entire campaign and everything else since. I even record the 3 hours of C-Span on BBC Parliament on Sundays if l am at work, which l have had to admit to workmates is a bit sad!!    
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:24 am ET)
                   

                When were Black people not a part of Western culture? Somewhere between Leave it to Beaver and the The Mod Squad?

                OK, there was Rochester, but I think that was before Scienceguy's time.

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                • Author by wzwriter (August 08, 2008 8:21 am ET)
                     

                  When were Black people not a part of Western culture?

                  Prior to 1619..... 

                  The first Africans in America arrived as Indentured Servants via Jamestown, Virginia in 1619. From 1619 to about 1640, Africans could earn their freedom working as laborers and artisans for the European settlers. Africans could become free people and enjoy some of the liberties like other new settlers. By 1640, Maryland became the first colony to institutionalize slavery. In 1641, Massachusetts, in its written legislative Body of Liberties, stated that "bondage was legal" servitude, at that moment changing the conditions of the African workers - they became chattel slaves who could be bought and solely owned by their masters. Source: http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/aaslavry.htm

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 11:50 am ET)
                       

                    Maybe you haven't had your coffee yet, WZ, but--- a little USA-centric of you, no?   ;0)

                     

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            • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 7:00 pm ET)
                 
              It was stolen by the europeans but only an idiot would think that Jesus, being from nazereth, was anything but a shade of brown.
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              • Author by carlileb5935 (August 07, 2008 11:19 pm ET)
                   

                ATTENTION PEOPLE!!!

                Why in the world are all of you suddenly ignoring the topic of this MMFA article?

                You let some wingnut start talking about the color of Jesus?

                Dems get distracted all the time, eh? Don't you know that that's why they lose! 

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              • Author by annes10 (August 08, 2008 12:40 am ET)
                   

                I always thought Jesus was Jewish.

                Huh. Go Figure.

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                • Author by wzwriter (August 08, 2008 8:23 am ET)
                     

                  Reminds me of a poem from my youth:

                  Roses are red
                  Violets are bluish
                  If it weren't for Jesus
                  We all would be Jewish.

                  :-)

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            • Author by heru (August 07, 2008 7:01 pm ET)
                 
              the very first image of God as a white man was racially motivated. whether or not blacks had become "part of western culture " at that time is irrelevant and meaningless
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              • Author by Taz (August 07, 2008 7:52 pm ET)
                   

                the very first image of God as a white man was racially motivated.-heru

                Everything to you is racist. You sound like your hero BHO.

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                • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 8:00 pm ET)
                     
                  You disagree that the church purposely made him look white? Try reading about the crusades, making Jesus look european was central in their drive to gin up anger against the muslims.
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                • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
                     
                  Everything you say is dumb as shit. You sound like your hero JSM.

                  There fixed it for you TAZ.
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                  • Author by carlileb5935 (August 07, 2008 11:22 pm ET)
                       

                    You know....

                    MMFA spent a substantial amount of time here documenting Hannity hypocrisies about "race," and all you guys want to do is argue about Jesus' color?

                    Are you morons or something? 

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                    • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 08, 2008 4:30 am ET)
                         

                      Are you morons or something? 

                      Real smart way to start a discussion. Who the moron again?

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                • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
                     

                  Everything to you is racist. You sound like your hero BHO.

                  Oh look who just crawled out from under a rock. Our resident cockroach Taz. Time for some bug spray.

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                  • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 8:14 pm ET)
                       

                    Oh!!!!

                     

                    It's your resident cockroach!!!

                     

                    I thought he was there to make salient points to encourage intelligent debate between the poster on this site. Then again, l haven't read to much of TAZ's posts. ;-) 

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                • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 8:14 pm ET)
                     

                  Hey Taz, what would you do if it turns out that modern forensic scientists rendition of Jesus is correct?

                  A hypothetical reconstruction of someone from the same time and place of Jesus, created by forensic artist Richard Neave.

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 2:06 am ET)
                       

                    Is this the same guy?

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                    • Author by snoopy (August 08, 2008 12:10 pm ET)
                         
                      I knew it! I knew Jesus was a liberal! And it was the republicans who threw him in jail, too. I knew it!
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                • Author by wzwriter (August 08, 2008 11:30 am ET)
                     

                  Everything to you is racist.

                  And everything you post is stupid.

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    • Author by magnolialover (August 07, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
         

      This nimrod can't be serious can he? You can just listen to good old Rush Limbaugh playing "Barack the Magic Negro" and that pretty much says it all. Not to mention, every right wing talk show radio host has been falling all over themselves to make sure that everyone knows that if you criticize Obama, be prepared to get called a racist, which isn't true of course. If you criticize his policies, and NOT his race, then yeah, you've got a valid opinion, but these guys are the ones who are bringing race into the whole equation, and NOT the Obama campaign. The only time Obama brings it up, is basically when he is called out about it.

      Do I also need to mention the reports we had about Obama being "too white" or "not black enough"?

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      • Author by Science101 (August 08, 2008 7:38 am ET)
           

        You can just listen to good old Rush Limbaugh playing "Barack the Magic Negro" and that pretty much says it all.

        I thought it was a pretty catchy tune.  The video on YouTube was even better.

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    • Author by steeve (August 07, 2008 5:54 pm ET)
         
      "Obama can't point to a single instance" -- that part might be true. While instances exist, democratic politicians are historically unable to produce the obvious killing shot when attacked.
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      • Author by shaggles (August 07, 2008 6:01 pm ET)
           
        Too true.
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        • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
             
          It is too true. The irony is that our Party is filled from the bottom up with folks itchin' for a fight.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 7:17 pm ET)
               

            I think this covers the spirit of things...

            This Modern World By Tom Tomorrow

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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:32 am ET)
                 

              Are the comments of the 20(?)%ers on this site  public domain, or did Tom Tomorrow have to pay for those?

              OK, they're trimmed down a little, but the ideas are pretty much the same.

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      • Author by heru (August 07, 2008 6:54 pm ET)
           

        Thats why MMFA was created and has had such a great impact unraveling the GOP wrecking crew. Disinformation depends on lack of memory for effectiveness. Now GOP disinformation is tracked and archived in such a way that the falsity of comments like Insanity's can be exposed in a matter of moments.

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        "Obama can't point to a single instance" -- that part might be true. While instances exist, democratic politicians are historically unable to produce the obvious killing shot when attacked.

        • - steeve
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    • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 5:55 pm ET)
         

      Erm.................

       

      Doesn't the obese former oxycotin addict from Floria play a song on his radio show called "Barack the Magic Negro?"

      Or is he now not classed as a major republican on the right hand side of US talk radio? Just how stupid are Hannity's listeners if they believe him?................

       

       

      Forget that last part!!! 

       

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    • Author by tbone (August 07, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
         
      "As more is learned about SEAN HANNITY'S positions, his past, and his affiliations, it seems that the FAIR AND BALANCED SPOKESPERSON has all the same problems with DRINKING as those before him," and later added, "It's only fair to ask: Do the HANNITY'S have a DRINKING problem of their own?"
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    • Author by tommy (August 07, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
         
      Of course Hannity is mistaken.  It's a good thing he didn't include the Clintons in his false claim too, at least that's something.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 07, 2008 6:08 pm ET)
           
        I heard BilldO Reilly call Mr. T "boy" last night. I don't think ol' B.A. Baracas even heard it as they were talking over each other, but I wish he had.
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      • Author by commonsenseliberal (August 08, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
           
        Come on, Tommy.  Hannity isn't 'mistaken'.  He's lying.  There's a difference.
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    • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 6:06 pm ET)
         

      Surprised? Ask a racist if he's a racist, what's he gonna say - yes? In the meantime, why am I not surprised...

      updated 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

      MIAMI - A man who authorities said was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car appeared in court Thursday on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

      Raymond Hunter Geisel, 22, was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held at Miami's downtown detention center without bail Thursday by a federal magistrate.

      A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July. According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."

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      • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2008 6:29 pm ET)
           
        This always happens when Democrats are doing well. So convinced by their paranoic thought leaders that liberals are the damned enemy, the nuts come out of hiding to "preserve" traditional values. What can we expect from the right? Nearly their entire message is one of the threat of violence. Conservatism has been destroyed by right-wing authoritarian thugs.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 07, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
             
          Heck, even churches aren't safe anymore from violent authoritarians spurred on by Hannity and Rush. Hate!  Fear!  Violence!  Jesus!!!
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        • Author by Taz (August 07, 2008 7:48 pm ET)
             

          liberals are the damned enemy, the nuts come out of hiding to "preserve" traditional values. What can we expect from the right? Nearly their entire message is one of the threat of violence. Conservatism has been destroyed by right-wing authoritarian thugs.-roundhouse

          Snoopy left out part of the story (probably on purpose)

          Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.

          Still think he's a right-wing nut? Maybe he's just a nut. I know that destroys your rant, it's always more fun for you left-wing loons to blame everything on the right.

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          • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2008 8:07 pm ET)
               
            Speaking of lunatics, how's your ideological soul mate, Jim Adkisson doing?
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          • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 8:16 pm ET)
               
            Are you saying right wing lunatics are still in love with george? I've seen many here say they hate him...
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:35 am ET)
               
            "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.

            Still think he's a right-wing nut?

            Yes.Right wing nuts hate Bush as much as anybody, and are more likely to consider killing over voting.

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    • Author by mefirst (August 07, 2008 6:07 pm ET)
         
      limbaugh talks about obama's "pure ignorance"?  how about the bushmeister, the guy limbaugh has propped up for eight years?   dumber than a rock and infinitely more dangerous.
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      • Author by roundhouse (August 07, 2008 7:44 pm ET)
           
        No shit. Remember when Clinton went to China. Rush said Clinton was selling out our country to the ChiComms. Remember that? Now that Bush is going over there, it's all good.
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    • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
         

      Fox News Channel identifies Michelle Obama, the completely lawfully-wedded wife of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as "Obama's Baby Mama."

      Oh no massa Sean, ya'll ain't racist.

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    • Author by wookie (August 07, 2008 6:12 pm ET)
         
      Hannity's schpeil roughly translates to "please pay attention to me and give me relevance". Of course he's wrong but Obama is much too busy and smart to get in a shouting match with him.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
         

      Worst case of impacted ear wax I've ever seen.

      He could put wicks in them, and light them, to guide him though the night.

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    • Author by wookie (August 07, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
         

      On May 21, Limbaugh said that "Barack Obama is an affirmative action candidate."

      Well, after 8 years of a legacy candidate it would have to be an improvement. 

       

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 6:23 pm ET)
         

      Everyone's brought up his race, and Obama has done his fair share of bringing up race too.

       

      "They're going to make you afraid of [Obama]. They're going to say, 'He's got a funny name. He dun look like all those Presidents on those dollar bills. Did I mention he's black?'" - Obama

       

      "I think they played the race card on me." - Bill Clinton

       

      Who cares if he's black? I could seriously care less about voting in the first black President. I wanna be able to say, "I voted the RIGHT (Correct) President into office." Both the Messiah or the Maverick are able to fall under that category.

       

      If we could ignore his (or anyone's) race we'd be making progress.

       

       

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      • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
           

        Who exactly are the "messiah" and the "maverick"?

         

        Explain please. 

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
             

          Since Obama's speech before 200,000 in Germany the MSM has tryed paint him as one who thinks he is the Messiah.

          McC has long used the mostly self generated tag of the "Maverick"

          Go figure. We live here and yes it is confusing to many of us as well.

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        • Author by ukobserver (August 08, 2008 5:44 am ET)
             

          He is not the Messiah!!!

           

          But McCain is a very naughty boy!!

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      • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
           

        "If we could ignore his (or anyone's) race we'd be making progress."

        But we can't. And Obama will continue to be right when he says that his race will be used against him. 

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        • Author by tommy (August 07, 2008 6:31 pm ET)
             

          So you don't want race ignored, you want it to be an issue?

          Interesting...... 

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          • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
               
            Race should never be the issue, but while certain people continue to suffer from S.B.M.S it always will be. It is an affliction that is very hard to cure, even with major rehabilitaion.
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          • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
               
            I never said that. I said race can't be ignored. It's a factor whether you like it or not. Countless posts of yours have told us that you choose to ignore historical context, and that any mention of race by a liberal is met with accusations of "playing the race card" or "playing the victim." Dawuss falls back on the typical conservative line about how much better the world would be if we could ignore race. History dictates that we cannot.
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            • Author by tommy (August 07, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
                 

              "......typical conservative line about how much better the world would be if we could ignore race"

              Considering you aren't a conservative, you would reject the "typical conservative line" about how better off the world would be if we ignored race. Which means you believe the alternative, that the world would be better off if we did not ignore race, hence you don't want it ignored, which is what I said in my first response to you, and you denied it.  Oops.....

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              • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 6:54 pm ET)
                   

                Once again, you fail Logic 101. The world would be a better place if I could crap $1000 bills. But I can't. That doesn't mean I prefer it that way.

                And if the conservative ideal is to ignore race altogether, then no, I don't agree with that. I choose to celebrate cultural differences, not ignore them.

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                • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 10:51 am ET)
                     

                  I don't know whether you intentionally fake ignorance regarding this, or whether you are genuinely clueless, either way it doesn't matter.  Let me be clear, I have never said we as a society should be colorblind, and I absolutely agree with you that celebrating our culture and our differences is important.  I acknowledge and respect history and cultural traditions, in that context, No, race cannot be "ignored".

                  However, in this context, in voting for officeholders, including for the first time the presidency, I do ignore race.  It is not a consideration for me, it has not been, it will not be.  It is irrelevant to me.  That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the historical implications of an Obama candidacy, of course I do, it would be disingenuous to say otherwise.  But do I hold his race up as some determining factor in my vote? No. 

                  You can choose to use Obama's race in whatever advances your causes, or your grievances, or your political manueverings, I have more respect for him than that. 

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                  • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
                       
                    And how exactly am I using Obama's race?
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                    • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
                         

                      {"If we could ignore his (or anyone's) race we'd be making progress"}

                      "But we can't".

                      Yes, we can.  I can. 

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                      • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
                           

                        So you're saying that if we ignore all racial attacks, they'll just go away? You're "I'm above it all" attitude doesn't work in a world still rife with racism. This is the point that you continue to miss. As has been shown time and time again, you apparently see no difference between acknowledging the role that race plays in our society and racism itself. As our old friend Valentinian used to point out, you literally don't seem to understand the definition of racism. This is how you're able to continue to do things like call civil rights workers "race-baiters" or call me a "bigot" for pointing out the bigotry of others.

                        Barack Obama is going to be our first black president. Race is a factor. You better get used to hearing people talk about it without sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending you're blind to it.

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                        • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                             

                          You just cannot defend your remarks without lying about mine.  Please show me where I said "ignore racial attacks"?  And you wonder why you have the reputation of being a classless, victimized race baiter, not to mention a thoroughly dishonest individual.

                          I said race is irrelevant to me with regard to whom I vote for, or against.  Unless you can demonstrate how that is racist, or anything remotely connected to it, then stop embarrassing yourself, and discuss this like a man, instead of a bratty child. 

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                          • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
                               

                            Wow, project much? Defend my remarks? I'm not trying to defend my remarks at all. Once you saw that you couldn't make your initial accusations stick (i.e. I "want race to be an issue") you started erecting straw men. You suddenly changed the conversation to "[D]o I hold his race up as some determining factor in my vote?" That's not what we're talking about and you know it. And now you're challenging me to call you a racist?

                            You're only goal here is to call me names. Hm...what do they call those people who pick an argument over race just so they can call somebody a racist? I think they call them race-baiters.

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                            • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
                                 

                              No, what really happened is that you stuck your foot in your mouth and inadvertantly said race has to be an issue, or your exact words when responding to Dawuss' post when he said race should be ignored and you said "But it can't".  Of course it can't, to you.  Because if race is ignored than it can't be used as bait, in your case.  Do you honestly think you're fooling me? Ahhh, duh, No, you  aren't.

                              So don't act like Dawuss was not referring to race with regard to voter's decisions, because that was the discussion.  Here is the exact quotes from him that you responded too > "Who cares if he's black? I could seriously care less about voting in the first black President. I wanna be able to say, "I voted the RIGHT (Correct) President into office." Both the Messiah or the Maverick are able to fall under that category. If we could ignore his (or anyone's) race we'd be making progress"

                              Yet, you tried to turn the discussion into some commentary on historical oppression and racial attacks, when the topic and the discussion were very specific > whether or not race should be ignored as a factor in voting for president. 

                              I stand by my comments, you should at least do the same to yours. 

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                              • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
                                   
                                Oh my god. This is insane. Race IS an issue. We CAN'T ignore it. I did not put my foot in my mouth, and I'm not trying to defend anything I said, because it doesn't need defending. If you can't wrap your mind around any of this, then that's not my fault. All you want to do is paint me as a racist. That's your sole agenda here. You're race-baiting, plain and simple.
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                                • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Let me ask you a simple and direct question that requires a simple answer.

                                  Do you think that when I, or you, or anyone, walks into the voting booth this fall that Obama's race should be a factor whatsoever?  Should it be considered or not?

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                                  • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
                                       
                                    No, and I never said it did. That's just you trying to reframe the discussion and twist whatever I say into another opportunity to accuse me of "race-baiting" or "playing the victim." That's your only agenda whenever there's a thread about race. You're consumed by your obsession with painting me as a racist. And it's an obvious knee-jerk reaction to your own long and storied history of being on the wrong side of nearly every discussion on race that you've ever participated in here. It's your patented I-know-what-you-are-but-what-am defense. So you can either stop with baseless name-calling and accusations, or we can go back to the point where I provide links to your treasure trove of racially suspect and racially ignorant statements from the past.
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                                    • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 6:23 pm ET)
                                         

                                      "No, and I never said it did"

                                      Good, then we agree, and you obviously "misspoke" when you originally reponded to Dawuss.  If you had agreed with him, as in the answer you just gave me, then you could have spared yourself alot of needless embarrassment. 

                                      The rest of your post is just more useless blather and toothless threats because you were "outed" as a race baiter, again, and you don't like it when that happens.  If you want to avoid this in the future, stay away from thread topics involving race, because Sweetheart, you just can't help yourself - or choose your words more carefully, oh, and grow up. 

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                                      • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
                                           

                                        When exactly was I outed as a race-baiter? And I mean exactly. As in provide a specific link and a specific set of quotes.

                                        And again, I didn't misspeak. I meant exactly what I said. We can't ignore the race factor. Obama is black. That holds some measure of significance for most people, for better or for worse. If you want to twist that to mean that I'm saying we should take his race into consideration in the voting booth, then that's your problem. I've made myself clear enough for any reasonable person to understand.

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                                        • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 8:28 pm ET)
                                             
                                          Yeah, that's what I thought. It's always the same. You puke up some outrageous accusations (it used to be that I was a "liar"), and then when asked to back it up with some actual evidence, you disappear.
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                • Author by roundhouse (August 08, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
                     
                  Ignoring race in this campaign will be fatal for Obama. He never does as well as when he is using his astounding rhetorical abilities to address attacks directly. Just think about how effective and real he was in PA talking about Rev Wright.
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            • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
                 

              There was a day when people celebrated being white. People today call something like that racism. Let's quit celebrating differences we have no control over. Then racism will go away.

               

              Black superiority isn't much different from white superiority. Black inferiority isn't much different from white inferiority. 

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              • Author by heru (August 07, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
                   
                That would almost make sense if i had brain damage.
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              • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 7:09 pm ET)
                   
                That is the king of all false equivalences. I know conservatives love to pretend that 400 years of oppression never happened, or that history has no impact on the present, but conflating white pride with celebrating black culture is just completely outrageous.
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                • Author by BottleBlonde (August 08, 2008 1:15 am ET)
                     
                  DaWuss? Outrageous? Say it ain't so, Joe! Moronic? Insincere? Starved for attention and totally self-centered? All those things, and outrageous too?
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              • Author by ukobserver (August 07, 2008 7:19 pm ET)
                   

                Black superiority isn't much different from white superiority.

                Black inferiority isn't much different from white inferiority. 

                Wow. I didn't realise that in the last 400 years black people in the states and uk owned the slave ships, the plantations, the cotton mills in England and the banks that held the money. Then again l did european history mainly so that may be why it's different to yours. ;-)

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                • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 8:31 pm ET)
                     
                  A lot of the leading families in the south were desendants of the Caviliers from your own civil war of the mid 1600's. During and after ours, many moved to France. 
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                • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 8:31 pm ET)
                     
                  A lot of the leading families in the south were desendants of the Caviliers from your own civil war of the mid 1600's. During and after ours, many of these same families moved to France. 
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 7:39 pm ET)
                   

                Let's quit celebrating differences we have no control over. Then racism will go away.

                Celebrating? You think that racism occurred because folks "celebrated" their differences? 

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              • Author by Brabantio (August 07, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
                   

                "There was a day when people celebrated being white. People today call something like that racism. Let's quit celebrating differences we have no control over. Then racism will go away...Black superiority isn't much different from white superiority. Black inferiority isn't much different from white inferiority."

                Who is talking about "black superiority"?

                This has been explained multiple times to people who like to interchange "black power" with "white power" and then say "ooh look they're both racist!", but here goes again.  There's a huge difference between the dynamics of black and white groups, and that is the concept of societal dominance.  When black people band together and talk about pride and power and heritage, these things are about rising up to reach complete equality with white people.  White people have no such need, we already have the advantage, never mind equality.  There's no noble cause at hand for white people, and therefore the only purpose of celebrating white pride  or power is to keep other people down.

                So "black superiority" is much different from "white superiority", since celebrations of being black assert no such concept, while celebrations of being white most certainly do.

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              • Author by MoonbatYouBet (August 08, 2008 11:45 am ET)
                   
                When exactly was this imaginary day that people celebrated being white? 
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            • Author by achrispage6992 (August 07, 2008 9:25 pm ET)
                 
              Well one thing is for certain Clams......race will always be an issue for you. Perhaps it's folks like yourself which contribute to validating your point that race can never be ignored.
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              • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
                   
                Your dumb comment was addressed here before you even made it. Try to come up with something better and try again.
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                • Author by achrispage6992 (August 07, 2008 10:08 pm ET)
                     

                  Your dumb comment was addressed here before you even made it. Try to come up with something better and try again

                  That is your reply? Your grasp of stating the irrelevant never ceases to amaze me. Like it or not, it is race baiters like you, who eagerly point out others racism (as if you are without guilt), which prevent the issue of race from becoming a non-issue.

                  Unlike you, I don't hold such dim view of what can be. Your negativity only fuels the idea of race always being an issue. Dr. King talked of a "colorblind" society, but it's dimwits like you who would rather bath in the controversy race identity creates. For what reason, I do not know. Perhaps it gives you a feeling of atonement for the sins of your ancestors to parade your self aggrandizing notion that everyone is racist but you. I guess you are the only one in America who has moved past seeing color in another person. Is it lonely in that ivory tower or are there plenty of mirrors?

                   

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                  • Author by clams casino (August 07, 2008 10:27 pm ET)
                       

                    "Like it or not, it is race baiters like you, who eagerly point out others racism (as if you are without guilt), which prevent the issue of race from becoming a non-issue."

                    If you're going to accuse me of being a race-baiter and a racist, then you seriously need to come up with even just one example.

                    "Unlike you, I don't hold such dim view of what can be. Your negativity only fuels the idea of race always being an issue."

                    So because I acknowledge 400 years of oppression I'm being negative? When Jews talk about the Holocaust are they just being negative too? Or maybe you think I was being negative when I talk about celebrating black culture?

                    "Dr. King talked of a 'colorblind' society, but it's dimwits like you who would rather bath[sic] in the controversy race identity creates."

                    That's every conservative's favorite MLK quote. Too bad they never listen to the rest of that speech.

                    "Perhaps it gives you a feeling of atonement for the sins of your ancestors to parade your self aggrandizing notion that everyone is racist but you."

                    What sins did my ancestors commit? And when did I say that everyone is a racist but me?

                    "I guess you are the only one in America who has moved past seeing color in another person."

                    You're just spouting confused hyperbole at this point. I think we should see color and we should celebrate it. Whereas you apparently just want people of color to shut up and start acting white.

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                    • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 11:38 am ET)
                         

                      "start acting white"

                      How ridiculous. What exactly does that mean, acting "white"?  I know plenty of white people who all "act" quite differently.  To say that white people are some monolithic group that "act" according to their race is not only ludicrous,  but ignorant and bigoted in and of itself.

                      You are a piece of work. 

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                      • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
                           
                        I never said that all white people act alike. That's not my perspective, but the perspective of those who continuously preach this "colorblind" ideal. This is just you twisting my words, so you can once again falsely accuse me of bigotry and racism.
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                        • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 3:08 pm ET)
                             
                          Then what exactly does "acting white" mean?  If I had said "acting black", would you question that?  Of course you would.
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                          • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                               

                            I'm sure everyone else here knows exactly what I was saying, and they no longer take your weak accusations of bigotry seriously (if they ever did in the first place), so this is for your sole benefit. When conservatives or other ignorant and backward-thinking factions of society preach the "colorblind" ethos, what they are really saying is that they want the negros to stop acting so negroid and start acting white, so that they can more easily ignore our racial differences and start living in harmony without having to hear about all that black people stuff.

                            Now let me point out to you what just happened there: I wasn't calling black people "negros" and I wasn't saying that all white people act alike. I was pointing out how "colorblind" proponents think. Can you wrap your concrete mind around that slightly abstract literary device? I know that your brain simply sees the word "negroid" and automatically makes your fingers type "racist," but I don't go out of my way to dumb down my text just so you can understand. Try to keep up.

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                            • Author by tommy (August 08, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                                 

                              I have never advocated a colorblind society, as I have said many times. I am not afraid, or threatened of celebrating cultural and racial differences whatsoever.  So your accusations towards me where that is concerned is crap.

                              This entire discussion is in the context of voting for individuals for public office, and on that basis race should be irrelevant, a non-issue, not a factor.  What about that do you disagree with? 

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                              • Author by clams casino (August 08, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
                                   
                                I never said you advocated colorblindness. You jumped into the middle of a conversation between myself and somebody else. You really need to take a deep breath and reread this thread before you post anything else. You clearly have no idea what the grownups are talking about here.
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                            • Author by achrispage6992 (August 09, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
                                 

                              Dr. King preached a "colorblind" society Clams. That's the way it is. You pervert his ideas with your own liberal logic as if "colorblind" means abandonment of culture. That just shows how little you know of his message. You know what some community college professor taught you. I lived in the 60's and participated in the civil rights movement. The "colorblind" society he spoke of is not the revisionist crap you think it to be. Look at the King institute website. His wife writes that Dr. King strived for a "colorblind" society. Unless you are more privy to his thoughts and ideas than his wife I'd say you should just hush now before you make any more of an ass of yourself.

                              Ask yourself why you are so quick to point out others racism at the drop of a hat. If you are without guilt in this area then why do you find it o.k. to always cast the first stone The reality here is that you get some kind of sick feeling of gratitude pointing out others bigotry and racism as if you are qualified to do so. Tell me what qualifies you to judge others in this area?

                              We can all agree on outright racism from extremist groups and individuals, but you love to stick that moniker on anyone who doesn't magically fit your idea of acceptable presentation when discussing anything concerning race. My guess is that you have never been discriminated against. That makes you a crusader happily paving the road to Hell with your good intentions. How about a little advice? Educate yourself on the message of Dr. King, understand that just because people may say or do things you don't approve of, it doesn't make them a racist. And for God's sakes understand that by incessantly pointing your bony finger of a racist detector; you only add to the racial divide in this nation. Lastly, grow up you little psuedo-intellectual creep.

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                              • Author by clams casino (August 10, 2008 12:47 am ET)
                                   

                                So instead of answering any one of the half dozen or so direct questions that I posed to you, you're just going to make more baseless assumptions and unfounded accusations about who I am and what I believe? I'll only reiterate that it is conservatives who have twisted MLK's ideal of a colorblind society to mean a world where everyone acted like white people. You know what King believed in? He believed in affirmative action and reparations for slavery. But you'll never hear conservatives mention that.

                                Conservatives love to quote the "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" part of the I Have a Dream speech, but they'll conveniently ignore the rest of speech where King says things like, "Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual...The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges," and "The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people." And furthermore, "There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, 'When will you be satisfied?' We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one."

                                Conservatives would have us believe that King's dream has come true, and that the people who speak up about injustice and racism are themselves the cause of any racial divide. People who live in the real world know better. And of course the most ridiculous part of all this is that you're accusing me of being a racist and a race-baiter in a thread that's devoted to showing the proliferation of race-baiting that's coming from your corner. All I had to do was to point out that race can't be ignored in the midst of these racist attacks, and suddenly you and Tommy swoop down to call me a racist. Funny how you chose to condemn me instead of condemning any of the multitude of racial statements and attacks from the right.

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          • Author by heru (August 07, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
               

            So you don't want race ignored, you want it to be an issue?

            Interesting...... 

             

            • - tommy

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            Victims of white racism don't get to choose.

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            • Author by Taz (August 07, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
                 
              Heru be honest, you love playing being a victim. But it's getting old and I bet most people are getting sick of it.
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              • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 8:39 pm ET)
                   

                Standard wingnut deflection of injustice.

                Check.

                To be repeated later. Not my best day of posting where I want to.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
           

        They're going to make you afraid of [Obama]. They're going to say, 'He's got a funny name. He dun look like all those Presidents on those dollar bills. Did I mention he's black?'" - Obama

        Obama didn't lie, there are Republicans who want you to be afraid of him. Bill Cunningham loves to use Obama's middle name with the hope that folks will think he's somehow related to Saddam and the war were fighting. Irregardless of his white mother, he appears to be African American to some white folks who fear African American males 

        The right wing he's a Muslim/black/terrorist e-mails circulating were created to work on the fear and ignorance of some Americans.

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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
             

          Obama is using the race card as a diversion to his politics, which really scare people away.

           

          Especially now that his celebrity status is starting to wear thin.

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          • Author by BottleBlonde (August 07, 2008 8:58 pm ET)
               
            Could you be more full of crap?
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          • Author by achrispage6992 (August 07, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
               
            Quite ridiculous. While Obama's hands are not clean in terms of inserting race into the election, it is clearly not difficult to see that McCain and the GOP are definitely doing exactly what Obama is describing. David Gergen had an interesting take on this. You should read it.
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            • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 9:43 pm ET)
                 

              So when has McCain attacked Obama on his race, and on his "funny name"?

               

              *Braces himself for refution*

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              • Author by my4cents (August 07, 2008 10:08 pm ET)
                   

                you mean when McCain personally approved and/or verbatim said those things?

                That will never happen. He has stupid, racist, illiterate, ignorant people like you, and I am peeved to no extent that your vote counts equally as mine, to do it.

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              • Author by achrispage6992 (August 07, 2008 10:12 pm ET)
                   
                read the thread addressing the statements of David Gergen. That should give you a pretty good idea of how McCain and his surrogates are accomplishing this feat which you seemingly think is so unattainable.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 10:41 pm ET)
                   

                So when has McCain attacked Obama on his race, and on his "funny name"?

                Republican candidates don't directly attack anyone, they prefer to use a surrogates to do their dirty work! For some reason they think it allows them to say exactly what you just said, "Since when has McCain attacked Obama on his race". Republicans also think that people are too stupid not to realize that Lars, Laura, Michelle, Sean, Bill, Boortz, Limbo, Cunningham, The Texas GOP, The Tennessee GOP, The CCC and the rest of the blowhards are STILL Republicans playing dirty politics.

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 07, 2008 10:34 pm ET)
               

            Obama is using the race card as a diversion to his politics, which really scare people away. Especially now that his celebrity status is starting to wear thin.

            Please tell me you aren't dumb enough to believe that using the "race card" helps Obama in ANY way. His race couldn't be a "diversion" if he tried cause it's damn hard not to see he's black.

            As far as your pathetic "celebrity" comment goes, again, is it Obama's fault that some folks in America haven't heard of a well spoken, well educated black man? Is it his fault that some folks have lived under a rock for the last 40 years? Is it his fault that some of those same folks work in MSM and draw attention to Obama?

            This "celebrity" bull shi*t paints a picture of ignorance on the part of some folks. 

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          • Author by historygeek001 (August 08, 2008 10:28 am ET)
               

            Wuss,

            You don't know what you're talking about.

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        • Author by annes10 (August 08, 2008 12:51 am ET)
             

          Sorry to disagree, but I think that the right wing is terrified of Barack, so they are pulling out all the stops. No holds barred. No punches pulled. No rules, except "eat or be eaten". 

          They don't know Obama, so they have to play the race card, the muslim card, the child-of-divorced parents card, the father was a polygamist card, the arrogant elitist card, the inexperience card, the marxist leninist stalinist nazi card. They'll play any card they think might help, and at the end they'll play the hail-mary card (whatever that turns out to be, maybe John Kerry can figure it out).

          These right-wingers are scared to death of losing power, and they'll say anything they think will help them keep that from happening. And they have a big media machine to help them get their way.

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          • Author by princeofwheels (August 08, 2008 5:51 am ET)
               
            Anne#'s, You forgot the Radical wife and that "whitey" tape which will be discussed again but never played. And what about the limo ride some lunatic righty took with Obama. A list of each and every attack, lie, untruth and just plain garbage should be made and numbered. Then the Cons can sell them for $25.00 and just refer to the number so their sheep can use that junk when the number is called.
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      • Author by August Heat (August 08, 2008 2:21 pm ET)
           

        Everyone's brought up his race, and Obama has done his fair share of bringing up race too. DAWUSS

        Damn shame you believe whatever comes on that black box, instead of actually watching for yourself.  Obama's race was never an issue with the Obama's.  The media first asked the question "IS BARACK OBAMA BLACK ENOUGH."  They then turned around and asked "IS HE TOO BLACK."  Then they asked, does he belong to a separatist racist church.  Come on.  Tell me I'm wrong.  Tell me the Obama's have done their "fair share" of bringing up race.  Your problem is you're spoon fed what to believe instead of thinking for yourself.  Everything Obama said was true.  They've been trying to make everyone afraid of Obama from day one.  "He doesn't say the pledge" "He's not like us" "He's Muslim" "He's the anti-christ"  Seriously Dawuss, when has a presidential candidate been compared to Moses, and Hitler.  That's either a disingenuous post or you are as dumb as these other conservative posters around here.

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    • Author by neondesert (August 07, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
         

      Hannity, among others, spent at least two solid month discussing Trinity Church's "black liberation theology" in the context of it being Obama's church.

      I think that indicates fairly conclusively that they made race an issue, and that Hannity will not give up easily the title "dumbest guy in the room" to Glen Beck without a fight.

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    • Author by snoopy (August 07, 2008 7:43 pm ET)
         

      Oh, no! Obama is in trouble! Help!

      Poll Shocker! Obama In Big Trouble As McCain Drops To 39%

      By: Blue Texan Thursday August 7, 2008 6:00 am 15
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      It's officially time to panic.

      Barack Obama leads John McCain 45 percent to 39 percent in the latest CBS News poll.

      Not good. Obama's people better figure out how to respond to McSame's devastating "Paris" ad and all of those relentless tire gauge attacks pretty damn quick. Because they're clearly having a significant impact.

      Consider -- since this barrage of negative attacks started, McSame has dropped 3 points in the CBS poll since June.

      And McSame is outspending Obama during the Olympics, so it's not inconceivable that he could drop even lower. Nothing could be worse for Obama than consistently leading McSame through the election.

      McSame's got us right where he wants us. Unless Obama rights the ship, we could be headed for another '84 or '72.

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    • Author by jmh (August 07, 2008 8:07 pm ET)
         
      so Hannity just moves on to another quotient of bogus blather since his last error about not knowing any prominent Republican who has challenged Obama's patriotism.

      Hannity is an embarrassment. There has got to be a twelve-step, or tax-payer-paid program that will enroll Sean Hannity. It is folks like Hannity that make me not-proud of America.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 07, 2008 8:08 pm ET)
         
      This is just another example of the RIGHT WING SMEAR MACHINE is going off at full throttle. They are throwing mud and hoping it sticks.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 07, 2008 9:17 pm ET)
           

        And here's yet another example of smear machine at work. I think... I could be wrong...

         

        Why can't we criticize this guy over issues of substance? Instead we're wailing about race and double-standards and patriotism...

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        • Author by princeofwheels (August 07, 2008 11:22 pm ET)
             

          WUSS, Thank You so much for the introduction to this Rush guy. I will now read his website and listen to his radio show. I believe that this Rush guy is the Messiah since he was sent by some god to teach us. Thank You. I can tell that you are a member of his church.

          P.S. And since you injected Obamas' comment, what is wrong with his viewpoint? Do you believe that America is all that it can be? Has it improved in the past 7 years? Do you think the rest of the world respects us like they should?

          Once again, thank you for the Rush guy and by the way, there is a lady named Crowley who you may enjoy.

           

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:52 am ET)
             

          Why can't we criticize this guy over issues of substance?

          I'm assuming by "we" you mean Republicans. Let me help;Because you got nothing on substance. Look at the Rush Limbaugh site you linked to. He's trying to tell you this election is about tire inflation. Rush doesn't want to talk about substance.

          And if you can't figure out why Rush translates "America can be better" as "America Sucks", you're just ignoring the low standards that the GOP wants you to live by.

          DaWuss, I'm not sure if you're somebody who is sincerely rethinking his flawed ideology, or just trolling, but just the examples you served up here should make something clear to anybody with a scrap of critical thinking skills left; The current GOP program is a loser's club, a last resort for the un-ambitious, irresponsible and submissive.

          The Rush Limbaugh cult is about low standards, lower expectations and the lowest common denominator. It's about trusting the least trustworthy and blaming the most blameless.It's about an intellectual return to the comfort of the womb, an acceptance of things as they are, and surrender to mediocrity. It's a place for the laziest Americans, and the rest of us don't want to carry you forever. Kick it up a notch.

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          • Author by mescal (August 08, 2008 2:02 am ET)
               
            Beautifully put, Col.
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            • Author by DAWUSS (August 08, 2008 8:38 am ET)
                 
              Even I have to agree, and it was a slam on me
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 08, 2008 12:24 pm ET)
                   

                Dawuss, not so much a slam on you, more about blowhard losers like Rush. I care about this country, and I care about the world, and, no, those two aren't mutually exclusive. I have very little patience for propagandists who spend their lives promoting the idea that settling for less is patriotic, and trying to scare people away from excellence. That, to me, is what today's conservatism is.

                But thanks for the kind words, all of youse.

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 08, 2008 4:37 am ET)
               

            It's a place for the laziest Americans, and the rest of us don't want to carry you forever. Kick it up a notch.

            BAM!

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          • Author by princeofwheels (August 08, 2008 6:03 am ET)
               

            Colonel, You get the POW's Crown today.

            Written to understand but way over the head of most the Rusheep....so if I may, the translation into Rushianism.

            "Blah blah blah, Halfrican...Blah Blah, hate America...blah blah...messiah....Blah Blah....I am Rush, your god, sent from god, to tell you how to think,....Blah blah....the one....BLAH BLAH BLAH...buy stuff from me......BLAH BLAH BLAH....just shut up and listen.

            Colonel, your point has been copied and the small circulation is in motion.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 07, 2008 8:37 pm ET)
         

      Standard wingnut deflection of any noting of injustice.

      Check.

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    • Author by bobby_467340 (August 07, 2008 10:14 pm ET)
         
      Why do you guys think hannittty is a race-hate-monger-  Sean is a very stupid, cowardly, lil man... but that don't make him a race hater.. Just really shallow and dumb... Where is solon?.. yfb
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    • Author by Dem02020 (August 07, 2008 11:21 pm ET)
         

      http://mediamatters.org/items/200806230003?f=s_search 

      From the June 22 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America:

      HANNITY: As the first African-American presidential nominee, Democrat Barack Obama is no doubt running an historic campaign. But will that distinction help or hurt his chances of making it all of the way to the White House?

       

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      • Author by princeofwheels (August 07, 2008 11:28 pm ET)
           

        Dem, Hannity is using this election to surpass Rush as the King of the Cons. I don't think Rush sees this coming. What Hannity doesn't realize is that he is not smart.  He cannot debate and cannot even come close to being an idiot like Rush.

        I would like to know if anyone is counting the number of times these cystjocks use the term messiah during their daily routines....And why doesn't the Religious Right come out and expose Rush and Hannity for using the term as being detrimental. I don't think the good Christians are too thrill to be used again by the Cons.

        Again, REPUBLICANS dump the CONS and reclaim your once proud party.

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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 08, 2008 8:40 am ET)
             
          I thought it was the liberal Republicans who were actually in charge of the Republican party. Some of the non-Republican talk show hosts periodically point that out, something that the Republican talk show hosts won't do.
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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 08, 2008 9:13 am ET)
               

            I thought it was the liberal Republicans

            Are there such people anymore?  The last ones I could identify were Lowell Weicker and Jim Jeffords, and they had to leave the party altogether.  Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter probably come the closest nowadays. 

            who were actually in charge of the Republican party.

            Now that's laughable.  Who's actually in charge of the party?  They're not only not liberals, they're neocons. 

            Some of the non-Republican talk show hosts periodically point that out,

            Such as?  Are you suggesting that anyone at Air America makes that claim? 

            something that the Republican talk show hosts won't do.

            Well, even some of those have some sense of reality, however slight.

            By the way, Dawuss, that was a classy mea culpa above.

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            • Author by DAWUSS (August 08, 2008 9:43 am ET)
                 

              Then how come so many conservatives call certain people in Washington "RINO"s? As a matter of fact, John McCain was one of the most notable RINOs until a few weeks after earning the Republican nomination, when the conservative base had no choice but to accept the man.

               

              Bah, now you're having to have me defend a party I don't belong to just a little too much.

               

              Besides, the Republicans are in for a beating this November. Then we'll see if the Democrats can run the House, Senate, and the White House (and possibly the Supreme Court) for the '10's.

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              • Author by princeofwheels (August 08, 2008 11:15 am ET)
                   

                No, the Cons are in for a beating....Why don't the Cons just start their own party? Imagine the greatest Dream Team of All...

                   Pres. Rush Limbaugh    VP Hannity   

                They'd get over 8 million votes

                  

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                • Author by DAWUSS (August 08, 2008 11:42 am ET)
                     

                  But aren't there conservatives in both parties? Aren't there conservative Democrats as well as conservative Republicans, just like there are liberal Republicans as well as liberal Democrats?

                   

                  And also, since we are entertaining a Limbaugh-Hannity Presidency, what would their platform be and what would happen under the Limbaugh Administration?

                   

                  And besides, when did I state (or imply) that I am a Limbaugh or Hannity fan? Sure, they raise some good points, but they also raise points that I disagree with. Like I said, I'm not a conservative, but I do have conservative elements; I'm not a liberal, but I do have liberal elements.

                   

                  Thing is, the only things we've talked about are things where I happen to agree with conservatives on (drilling for oil, certain criticisms of Obama, pro-life stance on abortion, climate change). If we would start talking about things where I happen to agree with liberals on (religious neutrality and tolerance, gay rights, gov't assistance, certain criticisms of McCain), I would be deemed a liberal just as quickly. I don't know if either camp supports limited government, as government has done nothing but increased in size no matter who governs.

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                  • Author by MoonbatYouBet (August 08, 2008 12:00 pm ET)
                       

                    There may be an actual conservative or two somewhere in hiding within the Republican Party but it would be hard to find him underneath the mountains of wingnuts that call themselves conservatives that currently reside there.  There are definitely conservative Democrats, many of them formerly identified with the Republican Party and completely disgusted with what it has turned into since Gingrich's days. 

                    Actual conservatism died at the time of the "Republican Revolution".  Now it's just a marketing slogan and a brand name.  Many people only call themselves conservatives because they've been told that it's the opposite of being liberals and that being a liberal means being in league with Satan and rooting for the destruction of this country.  They don't have actual conservative beliefs or even really know what conservatism stands for. 

                    Modern conservatism is a perverse philosophy that believes in the complete dismantling of our government and conversion of our society to a social Darwinian nightmare ruled over by a few plutocrats.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 08, 2008 12:52 pm ET)
         
      Liberal REPUBLICANS dont exhist anymore. The CONS that own the PARTY would throw them out.
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    • Author by August Heat (August 08, 2008 2:11 pm ET)
         
      This is just a slick Republican ploy to make race the issue, because its divisive and it works.  A black man says a white man is being racist and everyone usually sides with their race.  Look at the O.J. Simpson trial, Don Imus, the Duke rape case, Michael Vick, Jenna 6, any police brutality situation, etc.  Hannity knows exactly what he's said himself.  He wants people to discuss Obama's race and not McBush's flawed war policy.  He wants to discuss Obama's religion and not the dishonorable torture our government has allowed.  He wants to discuss Michelle Obama's militance and not the perversion of our constitution under the Bush regime.  It's all distraction to keep Americans divided and energize their base!
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    • Author by haywood12123193 (August 09, 2008 9:15 pm ET)
         

      You people just hear what you wnat to hear. Who is policing Media Matters. Almost every headline reads "Hannity Falsely Claims..." or something similar.

      By the way, Media Matters Falsely Claims to be Non Profit.

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