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August 18, 2008 3:05 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Michael Savage claimed that "America is being overrun by an invasion force from Mexico that'll soon take over the country." After noting a news report stating that immigration, higher birth rates among immigrants, and an aging white population are responsible in part for America's changing demographics, Savage stated: "And you think the gang-banger with baggy pants is going to pay for your retirement, you liberal fools? You think that they're going to pay for your housing in a senior citizens center? You psychotic liberals don't even know you're digging your own grave and throwing lime in there. All that's missing is the worm from the tequila bottle to go with it."

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On the August 14 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, Michael Savage claimed that "America is being overrun by an invasion force from Mexico that'll soon take over the country." Savage later stated: "If you look at the countries around the world where most of these immigrants have come from, you will see autocratic regimes, you will see drug dealers running the nation. You will see people living like serfs, and you will see the future face of America." Later in the show, after airing a clip of a news report stating that immigration, higher birth rates among immigrants, and an aging white population are "a couple of factors" responsible for America's changing demographics, Savage stated: "And you think the gang-banger with baggy pants is going to pay for your retirement, you liberal fools? You think that they're going to pay for your housing in a senior citizens center? You psychotic liberals don't even know you're digging your own grave and throwing lime in there. All that's missing is the worm from the tequila bottle to go with it."

As Media Matters for America has noted, Savage has frequently made inflammatory remarks about immigrants. For instance, Savage recently claimed that "[i]llegal aliens" have "raped and disheveled" the Statue of Liberty and added that "[w]e need to get our troops out of Iraq and put them on the streets of America to protect us from the scourge of illegal immigrants who are running rampant across America, killing our police for sport, raping, murdering like a scythe across America while the liberal psychos are telling us they come here to work." Additionally, while criticizing first lady Laura Bush's June 20 World Refugee Day speech, Savage said, "We're getting refugees now who have never used a telephone, a toothbrush, or toilet paper. You're telling me they're going to assimilate? They will never assimilate. They come here and they bring their destitute ways to this country, and they never assimilate." He continued: "And then their children become gang-bangers. It is a disaster. Did you hear what I just said? A disaster."

From the August 14 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: Now, this is while the war is raging in the Caucasus, America is being overrun by an invasion force from Mexico that'll soon take over the country, the elites are fiddling while Rome burns, and here we are, we the people are listening to this rubbish. And minorities in America are becoming the majority.

Now, on the face of it, you say, "Well, what's wrong with that?" How about, everything is wrong with that. If you look at the countries around the world where most of these immigrants have come from, you will see autocratic regimes, you will see drug dealers running the nation, you will see people living like serfs, and you will see the future face of America. The only way to stop this is to throw out all the politicians, immediately, and then throw out the anchor babies.

You know, this thing about the anchor babies is why minorities in America will become the majority. Most people will be afraid to discuss this for fear that the radical scum on the left will call them a racist.

Well, I'll raise this question: Is it racist to love your nation? Is it racist to protect your nation? Is it racist to protect your nation against an invading horde, from another nation that wants to sweep you off the map? Is it racist to stand up to a racist organization called The Race? Is it racist to talk about race other than when you on the left talk about it? I don't think so, that's why I talk about it.

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REPORTER [audio clip]: What's going on? Well, a couple of factors, the most significant being immigration and higher birth rates among immigrants. Another statistic is that the white population is aging. The number of people over 85 will triple in the next 40 years.

SAVAGE: And you think the gang-banger with baggy pants is going to pay for your retirement, you liberal fools? You think that they're going to pay for your housing in a senior citizens center? You psychotic liberals don't even know you're digging your own grave and throwing lime in there. All that's missing is the worm from the tequila bottle to go with it.

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    • Author by magnolialover (August 18, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
         
      I KKNEW after hearing this report a few days ago that it would only be a matter of time before Savage came on the air to proclaim the end of white dominance in America, and of course to blame it all on the Mexicans.
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      • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 18, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
           
        I was expecting this too.  Savage is nothing if not consistent. Now and then I think he has finally crossed the last line and will go the way of Imus, but he's frighteningly resilient.  The more hate he spews, the more his listeners adore him. 
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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 18, 2008 3:37 pm ET)
             

          Savage is nothing if not consistent

           

          He's very inconsistent with President Bush. One day he'll hail Bush 43 as the GOAT (the acronym) and the next he'll make him a goat (the target).

           

          But I've lost interest in him after his real colors came out following MMFA coverage on autism

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          • Author by magnolialover (August 18, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
               
            Derailing the topic again? Oh, of course you are. You are nothing but consistent at least on that.
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          • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 18, 2008 4:28 pm ET)
               
            Savage is consistently incendiary.  He may take contradictory positions but he's alway FURIOUS at somebody. It must be exhausting.  
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        • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
             
          He's probably just a little upset that all his lawsuits got thrown out of court while those against him are proceeding on schedule. But a question for Savage - if that brown skinned invasion takes over the country, who will be working and paying the taxes?
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          • Author by magnolialover (August 18, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
               
            Same folks that are now. Almost everyone. I do believe that there are a large percentage of illegals who are paying taxes into the system that they'll never see back, as in, using a fake SS number lets you pay in, but let's you not get anything back out. And, well, them being here illegally, I'm OK with that. But there are a lot of illegals paying into the system, because they work under false SS numbers.
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            • Author by ex-punk (August 19, 2008 1:51 am ET)
                 
              78 Billion dollars of untraceable social security numbers poured into our tax coffers in 2005.   This is money illegal immigrants can't collect on and it goes to pay for social security.  No wonder the government doesn't do a thing about it.  It's always easier to collect money from the poor than go after the wealthy.   
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              • Author by laissezfairesucks (August 19, 2008 11:17 am ET)
                   
                Thank you for adding some perspective. The poor Mexican people are really no different than the poor white American people, except perhaps fewer of them use methamphetamines. The tragedy is that the Ruling Class will always be able to get the ethnic conflicts going before their own taxes are raised.
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      • Author by laissezfairesucks (August 19, 2008 11:15 am ET)
           
        That's a switch. He seems late to blame it all on the homosexual agenda and Media Matters! At least he did so to explain his autism catastrophe.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 19, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
           
        It's an invasion!  Armed to the gills with the spanish language and millions of burritos!  Oh the horror!  Oh the humanity! Que vamos a hacer?!
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    • Author by bill36 (August 18, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
         

      I'm still waiting for Savage to post the lyrics for the song he wrote called "White Man." The song has been copyrighted, but is not published. In my blog, "Truth To Power Media," I've called on Savage a number of times to give me written permission to post the lyrics, but he has not yet responded.

      Bill Bowman, truthtopowermedia.com

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    • Author by mr. l (August 18, 2008 3:38 pm ET)
         
      Remeber people!  Anchor babies, although CONSIDERED Americans (by some leftist activist judge or president, I'm sure) are really just DEAD WEIGHT intent on holding the white man down!!  Down with babies!!  They are the new yoke of burden on the white man which must be thrown off in order to truely let the man be free.  I am awaiting Savage's orders to terminate all these babies.  It is his only logical next step. 
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      • Author by anotheramerican (August 18, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
           

        Mr. L,

        Margaret Sanger beat him to it.  

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        • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 18, 2008 4:42 pm ET)
             

          Don't forget Hitler!

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 18, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
               
            Although, I guess the Pharaoh of the Oppression (Ramses II or Merneptah) beat Sanger, Hitler and Savage by about 3000 years.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 18, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
                 
              God's caused more miscarriages than all of those combined.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 18, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
                   
                Isn't God responsible for every death since the beginning of time?
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      • Author by Kaliman (August 18, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
           
        Yeah, Savage is intent on causing, if not an all-out race war in this country, then definitely acts of violence against Mexicans in the streets.  He spent almost an hour the other day reading the ghoulish details of the murders of two girls by gang-bangers (the monster that was capitally punished in Texas two weeks ago).  The description wouldn't have been the same if he hadn't read the names of the killers in that fake Spanish accent he and his ilk love to put on.  It's only a matter of time before some Mexican gets killed by a Savage Nation listener worked up into a frenzy, just you wait.  That's how stupid his listeners are.  You can hear it in the voices of the callers and of the host:  this guy wants blood, he's so sick. 
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        • Author by roundhouse (August 18, 2008 5:47 pm ET)
             
          That's the damn truth.
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          • Author by eb (August 18, 2008 7:13 pm ET)
               
            If Liberals are evil, america haters, whats the next step?
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            • Author by roundhouse (August 18, 2008 8:13 pm ET)
                 
              The next step has already happened...in Tennessee. Jim Adkisson killed liberals because he hated the liberal movement.

              It's no coincidence that Adkisson was a big O'Reilly and Hannity fan.

              The right is hate and I'll never be convinced otherwise until they have taken back their movement from all these wing-nut hate talkers.
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              • Author by matrixbio2014 (August 18, 2008 8:47 pm ET)
                   
                he was also a Savage fan - Savage's book, Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder, was found in the killer's house.
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        • Author by matrixbio2014 (August 18, 2008 8:48 pm ET)
             
          I've been saying that Micheal Savage is trying to incite others to kill since the first week I listened to him.  He actually recommends killing people, on air!
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 18, 2008 9:27 pm ET)
               
            Best I can surmise is that his purpose is to inject violent, debate killing rhetoric into mainstream discourse.

            There's a debate to be had about what causes illegal immigration and how to curtail it, but I think Savage's corporate Johns want him to keep the diversions coming. Keep the focus on immigrants, not on all the corporate exploitation and root causes.

            Whatever, Savage. You deeply suck.
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      • Author by matrixbio2014 (August 18, 2008 8:45 pm ET)
           
        actually, tonight he made a really emotional speech, including reading a statement by the Pope, for white people to have more babies...to counter all the brown ones being born, I guess.
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    • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 3:44 pm ET)
         
      Rumor has it Savage is a major contributor to stormfront. Several sources say it's true...
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      • Author by mr. l (August 18, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
           
        Speaking of Stormfront... I check it out once in a blue moon to track all the racists mind set for the day and I remember when Fergies' song 'My Humps' came out.  All these idiots on Stormfrothy were saying 'My God- listen to that black girl, she's trash!' or 'That blackie needs to go', etc. all the while not even realizing Fergie is a white woman.  Oh, well, stupidity and racism seem to go hand in hand. 
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    • Author by infinity5551913 (August 18, 2008 3:46 pm ET)
         

      Mike Savage  is correct in his thinking, that illegal immigration is not just hurting a few  states, but every state in the union.
      These politicians, advocates, pundits,  better realize that illegal immigration is not going to be an issue they can brush under the rug. It's no longer Democrat versus Republican, or in this case Democrats are adverse to the original planned border fence and anything that has a sweet smell of rigid immigration enforcement. But I'm not even saying that the Democrats are the worst advocates of enforcing a laws, because many of the Republicans are pre-owned by the International Globalists.
       Along with the Iraq War illegal immigration is costing American taxpayers at all different levels of government at least a trillion dollars each year.

      Corrupt  Incumbents need to thrown out of office? All & every politician that doesn't sponsor the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) Any elected official (Hired-help) which includes Governors, Mayors, councilman, city managers who pander to the Special Interest lobby. They should be tarred and feathered if they are in collusion with foreign governments like Mexico.

      If Americans don't fight back against the Globalist tyranny that will swamp us with cheap labor. The Democrats who have gutted the border fence funding, so we will be dealing with Overpopulation in just 20 years.The drugs, the escalating crime rate and the wilting nationwide economy. It's entirely up to 'THE PEOPLE' in the coming months. Both parties are going to land America with another AMNESTY.

      Taxpayers will be paying for both the illegal immigration insurgency and the welfare and profits for the predatory employers. If your really want to know the unrestricted ugly truth not found in the liberal-socialist press. If you want to do something about job loses, your mortgage, your families future. Go to NUMBERSUSA .

      Ask your State representative energy conservation?  How much gas,  oil and electricity  we could save, if we sent illegal aliens home.
      We cannot keep up the demand for it right now!  Oil!  Diversity Alliance for Sustainable America.(earthtimes) stated in it's article that if the U.S. grants amnesty and gives citizenship to 12 to 30 million illegal migrants already here, as McCain, Obama and the majority of Democrats propose.   That all those naturalized citizens could possibly add 120 million U.S. and foreign-born relatives to the U.S., in the next 20 years whom all will CONSUME MAJOR ENERGY.  Does the American people need to escalate the 315 million plus population, the census estimates we have now?  To a new total of 435 million?

      Massive negative consequences of illegal immigration on today's and yesterdays economy. Illegal Immigration  is all enveloping our economy! Everything! Obama, McCain, Governors, Mayors, Councilors, City managers take notice! 80 percent of the American people are watching! How many more nefarious companies out their, violating safety and immigration laws. When ICE knocks on the door eventually--and they will, under the Federal SAVE ACT. Deportation is an absolute certainty. Whereas, voluntary 'ATTRITION' means you can re-apply like all the millions of legal immigrants.

      Overpopulation, traffic congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, water, oil, gas, energy diminishing resources, contagious diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages of US citizens, underground economic, fraudulent documents, identity theft, Sanctuary cities, predatory businesses tax evasion, soaring  nationwide crime rate growth , increased taxpayer  burdens, $$$ going across the border, overseas, overcrowded schools, uneducated legal children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care for legal residents, but free health care for illegal immigrants.

      The balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyalty to other Nations. Just read this disturbing revelation of costs to the Taxpayer: GOOGLE these sites! Find the truth? numbersusa,  snopes-under-politics,  fairus,   capsweb,  americanpatrol,  libertypost, vdare. Our politicians must endorse the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) before the next AMNESTY bill.

      Neither Obama or McCain are  committed to stopping the illegal immigration invasion.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 19, 2008 9:45 am ET)
           

        Hysterics.

        If people from another country come here, put down roots, become good members of society, work hard, and are decent good people, guess what happens? They get indoctrinated into our society as a whole. They assimilate. I see it all of the time, and we've seen it in the past. Yes, just like every other general population, you have issues with some of them, and yes, there are some bad people, but they are no different than the make up of caucasians in the US either. We've had this "immigrant" scares before in the past. The Germans. The Irish. The Polish. The Italians. And so on and so forth. History shows us that all of these groups were reviled when they first came upon the shores of the US, so it tends to fall to reason that the latino populations coming here now would fall under the same scrutiny, and yes, hate.

        Don't worry though. The white guys are still in control of everything. I mean, look how long it took to have a viable black candidate, and a viable woman candidate for President. 230 years or so.

         

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 18, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
         

      Mr. Savage has no true idea of or credibility on the population that he rants about.

      So many possible scapegoats, how easy to malign them from a radio station. Takes no effort at all.

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      • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 18, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
           
        Do you think he even believes his own vitriol anymore? His rants seem forced lately, on the occasions when I tune in to hear what he's up to.  I wonder if he ever believed it or if he just decided long ago to make a fortune mining hate.  Get a radio program and spend every day telling your listeners that they aren't stupid after all; they really do have it all figured out - the "others" are to blame.  You can change out "others" daily, as long as you've got some "others" to blame, and some "others" make more popular targets, but the formula is always the same.  A morally reprehensible plan, but it seems to be working for him.  I just hope the time is coming when the formula doesn't work anymore.
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        • Author by pithaughn (August 18, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
             
          I bet he has two wheels, similar to a roulette wheel. One wheel has different problems that can be blamed on others. The second wheel has all the others that are ok to blame things on. For instance spin wheel number one, the problem of unemployment is selected, spin wheel number two, pinko leftist vermin comes up. The biological entity called "Savage" starts a rant blaming unemployment on pinko leftist vermin. This is just speculation though, I have not been in the studio in question.
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          • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 18, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
               
            I like it. That makes about as much sense as any other theory about his rants. 
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    • Author by archae (August 18, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
         

      Notice how Savage never mentions the vicious gangs in the Northeast?

      Obviously, because most of them are white Europeans, from the former Soviet Union and eastern Europe.

      Savage has to rant and scream about the "invasion" of Hispanics, to keep up appearances to his racist fanboys.

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    • Author by tbone (August 18, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
         

      And you think the gang-banger with baggy pants is going to pay for your retirement, you liberal fools? You think that they're going to pay for your housing in a senior citizens center?

      So now Weiner is for socialism?  Flip flopper.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 18, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
           

        And you think the gang-banger with baggy pants is going to pay for your retirement, you liberal fools?

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        • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 5:28 pm ET)
             

          You tink dat cholo is bad? I got bad for you. You ain't seen bad till you seen da man we call Chi Chi Rodriguez!

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        • Author by worrierking (August 18, 2008 6:59 pm ET)
             
          This is a picture of my neurologist.

          He sure looks different with all those tattoos and no tie.
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    • Author by jawill11 (August 18, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
         

      "America is being overrun by an invasion force from Mexico that'll soon take over the country."

      When I read that, I can only think of some Mexican version of Savage in California 200 years ago saying the same thing in reverse.  The difference is that back then it turned out to be true.

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    • Author by historygeek001 (August 18, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
         
      Savage really ups the beady-eyed loon quotient of the right wingnuts.
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    • Author by roundhouse (August 18, 2008 5:39 pm ET)
         
      To Hell with Savage.

      I've worked the fields with many an immigrant worker (I suspect many were illegal) and I have never met such warm and generous people.

      He wants to talk about fiddlers? What flavor was that cake Bush and McCain were eating while New Orleans drowned? How much scrub brush did Georgie clear off his ranch in August 2001, when he was informed Bin Laden was determined to strike America?

      And just where the fcuk have the Republicans been while employers crush labor rights, slash benefits and raid pensions, all while racing to the lowest possible wages for the same American worker those damn Republicans claim to hold so dear?

      To Hell with Savage and his eliminationist rhetoric. Why doesn't he rail against worker exploitation? The unfair trade deals and agri-giant subsidies that drive South American farmers from their land?

      Because he's another well-paid corporate whore. That's why.
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      • Author by annes10 (August 19, 2008 11:13 am ET)
           

        Yeah, even with the recent raise, the minimum wage is still fearfully depressed wrt how much it takes to actually live in the US.

        Some GOOPers believe that world society teeters on the edge of a new form of feudalism, and for them and their descendents to belong in the future lord class, they'll gladly exploit minwage workers today. That's republican family values for ya.

        Ironically, neofeudalism increases when exploiters abound. 

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        • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 12:53 pm ET)
             

          What would you think of a piece of legislation that would cut corporate/business taxes, and at the same time make a decent increase in the minimum wage?  Would that not be a fair way of dealing with the problem from both sides?

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    • Author by Fire Starter KD (August 18, 2008 8:33 pm ET)
         

      Of course America is being overrun by Mexicans, Savage. The Mexicans are ruining everything, as usual. -_- </heavy sarcasm>

      I wonder if he ever read a history textbook. If he did, even if he wasn't really paying too much close attention, he'd realize that Europeans have changed demographics of plenty of places in the past. So I really don't see why he has any right to complain about something that effectively brought this country and Mexico and the others into being.

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      • Author by mary59 (August 18, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
           
        Good point. America got overrun by Europeans 5 centuries ago, and they cut the forests, despoiled the streams, polluted the air, and now they're unhappy about all the cheap laborers that corporations have exploited. Shucks, who is the real immigrant hoard?
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        • Author by princeofwheels (August 18, 2008 11:55 pm ET)
             
          We should've offed Santa Ana when we had the chance. I knew he'd be back.
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    • Author by bcvb1949a (August 19, 2008 12:04 am ET)
         
      MMFA says the same thing day after day about anyone is not a liberal.  They need something to wake them up.  And that thing will be when NOBAMA loses in November.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 19, 2008 12:43 am ET)
           

        MMFA says the same thing day after day about anyone is not a liberal. 

        LOL

        Yet here YOU are AGAIN.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 19, 2008 12:59 am ET)
           
        I think bcvb1949a really needs a hug tonight. He seems very sad.And drunk.
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        • Author by mary59 (August 19, 2008 8:16 am ET)
             
          Now I wouldn't automatically assume that he was drunk last night.  He could have been trying to out himself as a hapless dolt; thus posted even more nonsensically than usual.
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    • Author by spacewolf (August 19, 2008 12:36 am ET)
         

      Thank You BCVB1949A for so graciously adding to the topic at hand. No really what you had to say has so much to do with the statements that Savage made. Your defense against his statements was so brilliant maybe I'll start listening him now. *end of sarcasm*

      Savage is as reprehensible as they come, but he'll remain on the air as long as the fringe right listen to him. His statement is no more surprising then usual, and it saddens me that people can be this pathetic. 

        Oh by the way I'm Native American so I can safely say despite the horrid things done to my people this land would have never progressed without immigrants. I gladly welcome all who come here, and maybe you Savage should do the same. If you reject that then you, son of an immigrant, should leave this country as an example since your European ancestry migrated here first. 

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    • Author by nuke7 (August 19, 2008 11:07 am ET)
         
      This savage guy is so stupid. If he is so worried about white people becoming a minority in America, then why don't he and his retard kind go out and make some babies? Oh! I forgot, most white men comes up a little short when it comes down to baby making. One must have the proper tool to get the job done right. But don't fret Savage, you can always out-source the job to blacks and mexicans. 
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    • Author by finarfin (August 19, 2008 2:43 pm ET)
         
      undeniably true.
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    • Author by ca (August 19, 2008 4:09 pm ET)
         

      I think Savage makes an interesting point with a visionary perspective....not that hard to see IMO.

       Once again he is not talking about immigrants...but people who are committing crimes by entering America illegally.

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    • Author by john174541842 (August 19, 2008 6:02 pm ET)
         
      1. End the anchor baby law, it's BS, even Canada figured that out a while back and stopped it.

      2. Cut off all benefits that illegal aliens can currently take advantage of, they are not citizens, and are not entitled to the same things US citizens are.. No education for them, no health services or treatment in hospitals, no drivers licenses, nothing. They will begin to deport themselves.

      3. Seal the border at all costs, because things much worse than a poor mexican family looking for work are liable to come into this country...example: terrorists, weapons, drugs, diseases.

      4. Offer existing illegals a chance to get in the BACK of the LEGAL immigration line, and then pay a fine (substantial), in order to gain citizenship.

      5. Create a better guest-worker program managed by ICE, which tracks all workers, and when they must return home.

      6. Limit student visas. Obviously, since this seems to be a jihadi favorite.

      The problem is really not that hard to deal with. After implementation, if illegal aliens who are here fail to comply, they will be subject to arrest and detainment until they comply or are deported. All police, state and local, will be trained in immigration enforcement. Very straightforward.

      Most importantly, this is not a racial issue, it is a status issue, legal citizen or illegal alien.
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      • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 1:23 am ET)
           
        I'm proud of our rich immigrant tradition. I'm happy for the son of an economic refugee who won gold in Beijing.

        Speaking of Beijing, your fascist heart might feel right at home in China.
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        • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 10:02 am ET)
             
          "I'm proud of our rich immigrant tradition."

          So am I, we would not be a nation without it. By attempting to label me as some kind of immigration fascist, and failing to address whatever issues you may have with my points, you reveal that you have no point yourself. I'm not surprised though, it is a common (and worn out) tactic of the illegal immigrant apologists to label their opposition as all around immigrant haters, which is 100% incorrect. I hate criminals, law breakers, those with no respect for a sovereign nation.

          I think you entirely missed the point that I provided my thoughts on stopping illegal immigration, and even stated my desire for the current group of illegals be given the freedom to decide for themselves what they want to do. Pay a fine for the crime they have committed, and in time become a legal citizen, or freely go back home with no further punishment. That is fair, and actively promotes legal immigration, which benefits this nation.
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 11:37 am ET)
               
            No, John. I got it. No amount of pretending I have no point will magically make your nativist bulls-hit make sense to me.

            You missed my earlier counter arguments to the immigrant fixated crowd. You blame economic refugees and I blame those who control the economy. We disagree, but I'm right and you're wrong.

            You want iron clad borders, you don't care if "illegal immigrants," build the wall or not, that is if I understand your, 'by all means necessary,' comment. You want strict monitoring of people in our country. You also favor guest wor...uh, indentured servitude. How very fascist of you to want to placate the craven desires of corporations to have a never ending supply of cheap labor in a perfect marriage of state control of its citizens. You remind me of a disgusting corporo-fascist and I'm sick of you conservative pigs who are bent on destroying our country with your corporate personhood, your stupid militant aggression, your scape-goating of the down trodden, your hatred of commonality/shared responsibility, your love of torture, your complacency on privacy rights and all your violent right-wing radio rhetoriticians.

            Thank God we still have the freedom to vote you Republicans out of power.
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            • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 12:51 pm ET)
                 

               "We disagree, but I'm right and you're wrong." - Wow, aren't you the bold one.  I gave my opinion, I never said it was the only right way though.  The rest of your tirade about indentured servitude, fascism and corpo-fascists, conservative pigs, militant aggresion, and love of "torture?" was entertaining, but couldn't be further from reality regarding my personal views.  I regret that in my first post, I did not lay out a point that stated I am all for severe punishment, imprisonment, and/or fines for those who employ illegal immigrants (or anyone) below minimum wage.  After some kind of immigration legislation is passed, it is imperative that our government and police forces crack down on those employers who abuse workers through low wages and illegal hiring practices.  Despite your personal attacks on me, I believe we are close to agreement on how greedy corporations and employers must be punished for the crimes they have committed.

              You see, this is why illegal immigration needs to be stopped, and the current illegals be given the chance to become legal citizens, or go home...because greedy, unpatriotic, self-centered employers will always exploit the illegal immigrants while they are illegal...it is a no-lose situation for these greedy employers.  I mean, the illegal immigrant can't go to the authorities and report poor working conditions and wages that are under the legal minimum.  So, by taking measures to stop illegal immigration, and make sure that all immigration is done through legal means, it will actually help new immigrants gain a stronger position in the work force.

              Now, if you want to continue to attack rather than offer your opinions and solutions, go right ahead, but I've heard every offensive term for conservatives that you can possibly dig up, and they accomplish nothing.  I'm honestly more interested in learning what the left wants to do to deal with this issue, or where our similarities lie. 

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              • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 1:16 pm ET)
                   
                Oh stop with the indignation already. It rings hollow when you take up the argument of the Savage weiner, a man who calls me vermin, a sickness, the enemy within. I get it it's all good when your guys are slinging the mud. You need a thicker skin, this is politics not pat-a-cake.

                Now on to your points, yes we agree that the wage race to the bottom is a theft. But you ignore, or at least don't make explicit, the unfair trade agreements and agri-giant subsidies at the heart of the issue that drive farmers from their home to a better future here in the U.S.
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                • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
                     

                  "But you ignore, or at least don't make explicit, the unfair trade agreements and agri-giant subsidies at the heart of the issue that drive farmers from their home to a better future here in the U.S."

                  Yes, point taken.  By cutting off benefits for illegal aliens, like I stated earlier, we will free up millions, if not billions of dollars that can then be used to expand our immigration department...providing them with the means necessary to process legal immigrants more quickly and efficiently.  I understand fully the burning desire individuals have to come here.  This is the crux of the argument...shouldn't we encourage people who have that desire to come here legally by expanding immigration services and reducing wait time; rather than allowing the status quo of unchecked illegal immigration to continue, since we both agree that illegal status puts them at a much higher risk to be exploited by crooked employers?

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                  • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 2:15 pm ET)
                       
                    I could get behind a better, more streamlined, immigration system

                    I don't agree with the idea that cutting off common public services would cause immigrants to just leave. I think that would radicalize them, make them more desperate and more apt to resort to violent criminal acts to survive.
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                    • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
                         

                      "I don't agree with the idea that cutting off common public services would cause immigrants to just leave. I think that would radicalize them..."

                      I'm not talking about cutting off services to immigrants, because immigrants are legal American citizens, who pay taxes and are entitled to those services.  I am talking about illegal aliens, who, no matter how much you support their plight, have broken the law and are not entitled to these services, especially when budget deficits are running rampant throughout our country.

                      I feel you are trying to blur the lines between "immigrants" and "illegal aliens."  Correct me if I am wrong, but I get the notion that from your perspective, you equate illegal aliens with legal immigrants, assuming they are both entitled to the same protections and services. 

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                      • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 3:10 pm ET)
                           
                        No, I am equating people to common sense. You ignore the consequences of your proposal. You say no benefits for illegals. That won't make them leave. It will make them desperate.

                        Immigrants who are here illegally, don't need to be deported as a general rule. They need to fulfill a strict series of requirements to become citizens. immigrants who are willing work hard and pay taxes deserve to have a chance to become legal citizens.

                        I am sensing that you disagree that unfair trade agreements, like NAFTA, which destroys living standards should be considered as part of the problem.
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                        • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
                             

                          "You say no benefits for illegals. That won't make them leave. It will make them desperate." - We both agree that people come here illegally to try and make a better life for themselves.  Benefits currently handed to illegals are a big part of why they see a better life here.  Take that away, and it certainly will deter some from coming in illegally, and if it does not cause the ones here to leave, it will encourage them to go through the proper immigration process to become a legal citizen, so they can regain proper access to those services.

                          "immigrants who are willing work hard and pay taxes deserve to have a chance to become legal citizens." - yes, I agree.  This is why ICE needs to carefully manage an improved worker visa program (the idea that you labeled indentured servitude earlier).  When the worker visa expires, ICE should be in contact with the individual or family to offer them the necessary path to citizenship if they have done their work and paid their taxes.

                          "I am sensing that you disagree that unfair trade agreements, like NAFTA, which destroys living standards should be considered as part of the problem." - I am opposed to NAFTA, and would like to see it erradicated.  There is no such thing as "free trade," someone is paying in one way or another.

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    • Author by jizzum681261 (August 20, 2008 12:12 pm ET)
         
      I wonder why the U.S.A does not just buy a fleet of about 500 747 jets and fly immigrants from around the world into the U.S.A.?   Its not fair that the other immigrants from overseas cannot just walk across the border like the Mexicans and South Americans.  
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    • Author by robrob (August 20, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
         

      "By cutting off benefits for illegal aliens, like I stated earlier, we will free up millions, if not billions of dollars that can then be used to expand our immigration department...providing them with the means necessary to process legal immigrants more quickly and efficiently."

      - john174541842,

      Or we could more simply enforce the laws we already have and prosecute those who illegally employ illegal immigrants? 

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      • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
           
        I think that would be a great idea as well.  There is a major problem with though...look at Maricopa county in Arizona, where Sheriff Joe Arpaio is enforcing all aspects of immigration law.  While he is cleaning house and doing the right thing, special interest groups and the left wing attack him every single day, calling him a vigilante racist bigot brown skin hater.  Clearly, he is doing the right thing, his approval rating is in the 80% range.  However, because this kind of opposition exists, it makes it impossible to enforce all aspects of current law in every county in America.  It's a sad thing to say, but, there are groups out there who disagree with the written law, and do everything they can to prevent us from enforcing it.
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        • Author by roundhouse (August 20, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
             
          Fundamentally, we Americans are compassionate people. And when we witness draconian measures being meted out upon a group of people who are fleeing economic hardship, we chafe at that injustice.

          I don't think it's a sad thing to oppose written laws that have no place in a civil society. To work to amend bad legislation is no different than amending the bad behavior of your child.
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          • Author by john174541842 (August 20, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
               

            "I don't think it's a sad thing to oppose written laws that have no place in a civil society."

            Please name a few that you are referring to.

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