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Citing response about Hanoi prison, Politico characterized as "new" McCain's willingness to discuss his "biography"

August 18, 2008 6:15 pm ET

SUMMARY: During an appearance at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, responding to a question about "the most gut-wrenching decision you've ever made," Sen. John McCain cited his refusal to accept an early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp. The Politico claimed that McCain's answer "shows the power of his biography, and a new willingness to publicly discuss it." In fact, McCain has repeatedly referred to his Vietnam war experiences and has specifically cited his refusal to accept an early release in a book, interviews, speeches, and campaign ads since 1999.

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In an August 18 Politico article about Sen. John McCain's August 17 appearance at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, chief political writer Mike Allen and executive editor Jim VandeHei noted that in response to Warren's question about "[w]hat's the most gut-wrenching decision you've ever had to make," McCain cited his refusal to accept an early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp. Allen and VandeHei claimed that McCain's answer "shows the power of his biography, and a new willingness to publicly discuss it." In fact, McCain has repeatedly referred to his Vietnam War record, as Media Matters for America has noted, and has specifically cited his refusal to accept an early release in a book, interviews, speeches, and campaign ads since 1999.

In a June 25 blog entry, Politico senior political writer Jonathan Martin similarly wrote that McCain's decision to decline early release "is perhaps the most compelling element of his biography yet something which he has rarely voiced in his years in pubilc [sic] life." And as Media Matters for America documented, in a February 4 article, Martin also falsely suggested that McCain did not "spotlight" his military experience and years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam during his 2000 presidential campaign. By contrast, Politico senior political writer Ben Smith noted in a June 30 article that McCain has "written repeatedly of his service":

McCain has written repeatedly of his service, including in a long 1973 magazine article and in his memoir, "Faith of My Fathers." A Navy aviator from a military family, he was shot down on his 23rd sortie over Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967. His mission was to bomb a power plant in the North Vietnamese capital. Already suffering from broken limbs, he was beaten by a crowd before being taken to a POW camp. After being tortured there, he participated in some Vietnamese propaganda efforts.

"I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine," he later wrote.

But he later defied his captors by refusing to meet with anti-war delegations from abroad, he wrote, and he also refused the most valuable special treatment he was offered: early release.

"I did not want to go out of order," he later wrote. He was finally released on March 14, 1973.

Below are additional examples from 1999 to 2008 of McCain discussing his refusal to accept early release:

Faith of My Fathers

McCain discusses his refusal to accept an early release repeatedly in his 1999 book, Faith of My Fathers (Random House). For example, on Page 235 of the paperback edition, McCain writes:

I wanted to say yes. I badly wanted to go home. I was tired and sick, and despite my bad attitude, I was often afraid. But I couldn't keep from my own counsel the knowledge of how my release would affect my father, and my fellow prisoners. I knew what the Vietnamese hoped to gain from my release.

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Moreover, I knew that every prisoner the Vietnamese tried to break, those who had arrived before me and those who would come after me, would be taunted with the story of how an admiral's son had gone home early, a lucky beneficiary of America's class-conscious society. I knew that my release would add to the suffering of men who were already straining to keep faith with their country. I was injured, but I believed I could survive. I couldn't persuade myself to leave.

1999 to 2000

  • In a September 13, 1999, interview on Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, while promoting Faith of My Fathers, McCain discussed "a particular time when the Vietnamese offered me the opportunity for early release." From the interview (retrieved from the Nexis news database):

HUME: Now when you were there -- When one reads, even when one captivity and the deprivation of it, but of the repeated beatings and torture and the terrible physical condition you were in, I mean, to any ordinary person, it seems like an impossible ordeal. To what extent were you thinking about your family, your father, and your grandfather and others when you were going through that?

MCCAIN: Oh, I clearly didn't want to embarrass my family. I tried to do the best I could, which was not enough, by the way, but there came a particular time when the Vietnamese offered me the opportunity for early release. I knew they were doing it because of the propaganda they would get from releasing the admiral's son, who was commander in chief of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, and I knew that it was a violation of our code of conduct.

But I also not only was it my father's approval or disapproval and my grandfather's, but also that of the -- my fellow POWs, who would have been told, "See the admiral's son gets to go home and you stay." And I thought that would have a bad impact on their morale.

  • An October 28, 1999, Washington Post article by staff writer Howard Kurtz noted that McCain aired a television ad in which a narrator stated of McCain: "When found to be the son and grandson of admirals, was offered early release; he refused."
  • McCain aired a February 2000 radio ad in which a narrator said of McCain: "In Vietnam, John McCain stood up to his communist captors and refused early release from prison. In Washington, he's the conservative reformer attacking big government waste."
  • According to a February 25, 2000, Los Angeles Times article, McCain aired a television ad which featured the text: "McCain refused early release from prison, where he suffered repeated beatings and was held for 5 1/2 years."

2008 campaign

  • McCain aired a December 2007 television ad in which Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling said: "McCain has been tested like no other politician in America. As a prisoner of war, he turned down an offer for early release because he refused preferential treatment."
  • In a January 1 Washington Post article, reporter Alec MacGillis wrote that "[a]t many of his [McCain's] events, his campaign sets up a screen and plays for the crowd a three-minute film called 'Service With Honor,' telling the story of McCain's more than five years of captivity in a North Vietnamese prison after his Navy plane was shot down in 1967. 'He was offered early release, and he told 'em to shove it,' says one fellow prisoner of war, Paul Galanti."
  • At a June 26 campaign event in Cincinnati, McCain said: "When I was allowed the opportunity, given the opportunity to return home early from prison camp. I decided against that because I knew the effect that it would have on my fellow prisoners."
  • In a June 28 speech to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, a July 8 speech to the League of United Latin American Citizens, and a July 14 speech to National Council of La Raza Convention, McCain repeated this statement: "When I was in prison in Vietnam, I like other of my fellow POWs, was offered early release by my captors. Most of us refused because we were bound to our code of conduct, which said those who had been captured the earliest had to be released the soonest."
  • In a July 8 McCain campaign television ad, an announcer states of McCain: "John McCain: Shot down. Bayoneted. Tortured. Offered early release, he said, 'No.' He'd sworn an oath."
  • At a July 17 campaign event in Kansas City, Missouri, McCain said: "[T]he Vietnamese came to me and said, we'll allow you to go home early because my father happened to be a high ranking admiral. Our code of conduct said that only those go home early in order of capture. It was a brave young Mexican-American by the name of Everett Alvarez who had been in prison a couple years longer than I had. So I knew I had to refuse." Similarly, at a July 18 campaign event in Warren, Michigan, McCain said (retrieved from Nexis): "One time when I was in prison in North Vietnam and the North Vietnamese came and said, 'You can go home early,' because my father was a high-ranking admiral, I chose not to do that."

From Allen and VandeHei's August 18 Politico article:

5) McCain shows the power of his biography, and a new willingness to publicly discuss it.

WARREN: "What's the most gut-wrenching decision you've ever had to make? And what was the process that you used to make it?"

MCCAIN: "It was long ago, and far away, in a prison camp in North Vietnam. My father was a high-ranking admiral. The Vietnamese came and said that I could leave prison early. And we had a code of conduct. It said you only leave by order of capture. I also had a dear and beloved friend, who was from California ... who had been shot down before me. But I wasn't in good physical shape. In fact, I was in rather bad physical shape. So I said no. Now, in interest of full disclosure, I'm happy I didn't know the war was going to last for another three years or so.

"But I said no, and I'll never forget sitting in my last answer, and the high-ranking officer offered it, slammed the door and the interrogator said, 'Go back to your cell. It's going to be very tough on you now.' And it was. But not only the toughest decision I ever made, but I am most happy about that decision, than any decision I've ever made in my life." (APPLAUSE).

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    • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
         
      You mean like the part where he plagarized Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?
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      • Author by proudconservative (August 18, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
           
        Yeah, and John Kerry saw a Buddist priest make the sign of the cross and singing carols of the season, during his Christmas excursion into Cambodia.  You know the one Nixon sent him on before he became president.
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        • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
             

          Oh oh, somebody has a poopy dypee again! No link wonder thought he was soooo clever!

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          • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 9:43 am ET)
               

            I'll help him out since this was a good one!

            Kerry's Christmas Cambodia cruise!

            I think the difference between MMfA's header and Kerry is McCain is not retelling the Vietnam experience at EVERY speech like Kerry did.  

            Kerry mentioned it so often he became a caritcture of himself.  

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            • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 9:45 am ET)
                 
              That's caricature...man we need an edit button...
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            • Author by snoopy (August 19, 2008 12:26 pm ET)
                 
              Heeey, I can do that too! Oops for you though...
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              • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 1:13 pm ET)
                   

                Conclusions? Beats me. Kerry has mentioned this story several times, so it's not a slip of the tongue. And it's plausible on its surface. Contrariwise, the evidence against him is pretty thin: not much more than the fact that no one else has verified it — and keep in mind that the Swift Vets guys are not exactly disinterested witnesses in this matter. What's more, since there is exactly zero in the way of documentary evidence one way or the other, it seems unlikely that this little teapot-sized tempest will ever be conclusively resolved. Which, I suppose, suits Kerry's detractors just fine.

                Soooooo...this proves what?  It still boils down to Kerry's word against who.  No one else has VERIFIED it.  I would think that SOMEONE would have come out of the woodwork by now.  Don't you?  

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                • Author by snoopy (August 19, 2008 2:08 pm ET)
                     
                  Well, it may depend on whether or not that information is still classified, wouldn't it? Unless I'm mistaken the government position is still denying that we actively made incursions into Cambodia, so yes. It very may well boil down to his word against a group who have basically been proven to be liars.
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                  • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 5:09 pm ET)
                       

                    i think you're mistaken Snoop.  The US has long acknowledged our presence in Cambodia.  They had too.  There were congressional hearings in 1973 that exposed the cross border missions. The missions were code named "Daniel Boone" and "Salem House" and were both under the larger umbrella of MACV Studies and Observation Group (SOG).  

                    While Kerry may have operated CLOSE  to the Cambodian border there is NO evidence he went into Cambodia.  By the time Salem House missions were given the green light to go deep into Cambodian territory Kerry's THREE month Vietnam tour was long over.  

                    Another little problem with Kerry's story is that most (not all) of Salem House insertions were done by UH-1H's.  That is Huey to the unwashed.  Not a Cambodian boat ride as Kerry tried to have us believe.  

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              • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
                   

                Another good review and it has a shipmate who doesn't remember things like Kerry! 

                Kerry and Cambodia

                One more nail in the coffin: pay attention to what his Commanding Officers say

                 

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 19, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
                 
              Uh... From my POV, I think you've got that backwards.  I don't believe I heard that story much at all coming from Kerry.  (I won't say I NEVER heard, but I don't really remember it.)  OTH it's about ALL I hear about Johnny Mac.  That and that he's supposed to be a maverick (but clearly isn't) are about all I REALLY KNOW about the guy.  I guess it just depends on where you get your info...
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        • Author by worrierking (August 18, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
             
          FYI: Kerry is not running. Who cares.

          Was your unit ever sent somewhere and you weren't sure of the exact location. If so, please explain.

          Were you ever deployed somewhere and years later remembered the date wrong? If so, please explain.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
               
            He would have to have served first. Rest assured PC never picked up a rifle in uniform.
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            • Author by worrierking (August 18, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
                 
              Never ceases to amaze me how all of the whiners about what someone did or didn't do in uniform, never wore one.

              Unless we start counting Wendy's or McDonald's uniforms.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 19, 2008 12:02 am ET)
                   
                That's a little disrespectful, Worrierking. Some of these young people serving under Dave Thomas will bear acne scars for the rest of their lives, or at least until they reach adulthood, just for providing you the freedom to enjoy Jr. Bacon Cheesburgers .
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                • Author by wzwriter (August 19, 2008 8:49 am ET)
                     
                  And the kids working at Wendy's provide a useful service, unlike Nothing-To-Be-Proud-Of Conservative.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 20, 2008 7:58 am ET)
                     

                  the freedom to enjoy Jr. Bacon Cheesburgers

                  And what could be more American than that? :)

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        • Author by the Grey Path (August 18, 2008 11:42 pm ET)
             
          You know nothing about Buddhism.  Kerry likely did see a Cambodian Buddhist making the sign of the cross and so on.
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          • Author by wzwriter (August 19, 2008 8:50 am ET)
               

            You know nothing about Buddhism. 

            There's a world of things PC knows nothing about.  Except what he gets from his right-wing "news sources"....

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      • Author by wzwriter (August 18, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
           

        You mean like the part where he plagarized Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

        I guess Gramps McCain has something in common with noted plagiarist Jerome Corsi.....

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    • Author by proudconservative (August 18, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
         
      Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?
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      • Author by archfiend (August 18, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
           
        Yeah, good point, PC. After all, we don't know if he was born in Hawaii, or if he was raised by a single mother, or if he lived in Indonesia, or even if he went to college or not.

        Heck, he could have been enrolled in a radical islamic madrassa, for all we know!

        He's a complete mystery...
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      • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
           
        Buy it and read it. The conservative media ain't about to give it free air time like they do to Exxon John (AKA songbird).
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      • Author by darkmass (August 18, 2008 7:14 pm ET)
           

        "Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?" - ProudConservative

        Oh, PC, Obama's biography is pretty well known.  But how much do you know about yer man's biography?

        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin - noted line: "the public doesn’t know who on earth John McCain is".

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      • Author by snoopy (August 18, 2008 7:56 pm ET)
           

        Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?

        Which one are you promoting - the one Obama wrote, or the one yo' bitches wrote?

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      • Author by the Grey Path (August 18, 2008 11:44 pm ET)
           
        Like the constant condemnation of Obama for terrible things ... like growing up in Hawaii?
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    • Author by shaggles (August 18, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
         
      Hah!  Good one.  I hadn't heard about that before.
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    • Author by carlileb5935 (August 18, 2008 7:31 pm ET)
         

      Is anyone else bothered by the fact that neither the MSM or even MMFA are taking seriously the fact that McCain LIED about the 'cone of silence' at Saddleback?

      Even MMFA is ignoring how the media is spinning this story as a 'joke' or a crank issue, and allowing the Republican Party to strong-arm CNN and NBC about not covering it.

      This, folks, is an example of the reason why Dems LOSE-- because they are IDIOTS who don't know how to fight-- or care enough to.

      One can only imagine what would have happened if it had been Obama who hadn't arrived yet until after the questions were asked. 

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        • Author by the Grey Path (August 18, 2008 11:46 pm ET)
             
          Obama gave actual thoughtout answers. McCain simply quoted James Dobson.  Notice McCain couldn't stay focused long enough to give more than a one sentence answer?
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      • Author by wzwriter (August 19, 2008 9:05 am ET)
           

        Is anyone else bothered by the fact that neither the MSM or even MMFA are taking seriously the fact that McCain LIED about the 'cone of silence' at Saddleback?

        The same way no one in the MSM ever looked into those supicious "bulges" beneath Bush's suit jacket during the 2004 debates....

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        • Author by sandss981580 (August 19, 2008 11:28 am ET)
             
          if it was a receiver, why would it have to be so large.  why wouldn't they just put it under his arm, or on his chest.  where would the wire go.  where is the speaker. 
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      • Author by hogprint (August 19, 2008 10:08 am ET)
           

        ************TIN FOIL HAT ALERT****************

        NO conspiracy.  Both candidates got an advance look at some of the questions and subject matter.  

        Warren spokesman on advace answers

        So now it's the Barry "Soetorro" Obama camp that's spreading LIES about this forum. 

        S Adria Mitchell got the lie from lib blogs

        Baltimore sun artilce on A Mitchell

         

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    • Author by deanoakwood (August 18, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
         

      Carlileb:

       In response to your questions:
      1.  Yes
      2.  Yes
      3.  Find new jobs for the failing journalists

      hahaha, just kidding, but thats just about what McCain said (insert teachers for journalists).  You should look up the exact transcripts from McCain's education forum if you haven't already.  Seems kind of fishy. 

      But then again, McCain's education policy featuring vouchers is so tried and UNtrue.  So New Orleans schools improved after Katrina?  After being closed for part or all of the year, I would hope test scores would be higher when students actually get a full year of classes to learn.  Vouchers had nothing to do with that improvment.

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    • Author by sandss981580 (August 18, 2008 11:26 pm ET)
         

      you are such fools.  do you really think they would lie about the cone of silence. how stupid can you be.  they had to know most of the questions that would be coming anyway.  mccain doesn't need prompting, and obama could not do any better with all manner of prompting.

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      • Author by the Grey Path (August 18, 2008 11:49 pm ET)
           
        This 'forum' should never have occurred anyway.  It's a conservative endrun around the Constitutional prohibition against a religious test to hold office.
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        • Author by MickD (August 19, 2008 9:06 am ET)
             

          I was extremely uncomfortable during the questioning and even Obama's answers regarding his religious beliefs. Being "saved" by Jesus should be as personal as your bathroom breaks but here it is, splayed on the tube like pandering fools. Deliver us from this evil, please.

           

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      • Author by fawltylogic (August 18, 2008 11:52 pm ET)
           
        It doesn't matter what we think they would do. What matters is what they did.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 19, 2008 12:16 am ET)
           

        Sands, I'm with you halfway. I'd guess that Grampy was allowed to listen in to Obama's segment before he went on, but I don't think it should be made an issue.

        His answers were lame talking points and slogans, except when they weren't self-aggrandizing war stories. Accusing him of being "too well prepared" is flattering.This was an event tailor-made for the GOP candidate to pander to the JesusLand base,and all Grampy had to do was read from the playbook. 

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        • Author by carlileb5935 (August 19, 2008 4:57 am ET)
             

          I'd guess that Grampy was allowed to listen in to Obama's segment before he went on, but I don't think it should be made an issue.

          Why in the world not?

          Let's see, at the very least he violated the ground rules by not being there on time. Then he (they) lied about being in the 'cone.' Then they admitted they were in a motorcade, but not listening-- but then refused to say whether he had access to any of the questions some other way, as with a Blackberry.

          Meanwhile, he's praised for his performance, while Obama looks like Dukakis II.

          Tell me: are Dems stupid, or are they just crazy? 

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          • Author by princeofwheels (August 19, 2008 8:25 am ET)
               

            Carlib, more backhanded swipes at the Dems and Obama..When will you be satisfied that this is the Democratic ticket? Everyone agrees that it is though to control the Republican slime. Remember, the real election cycle is just beginning.

            The Obama campaign is fighting back with ads and he is stumping around. My question to you is, "How do you think the slimers should be fought?" And this campaign team will unleash THEIR ATTACKS.

            And no, your Dukakis comment is way off base. And no, Dems are not stupid. Thinking THAT WAY is why Dems could lose.

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          • Author by sandss981580 (August 19, 2008 10:43 am ET)
               
            to answer your questions, yes they are stuck on stupid, and yes they are crazy.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (August 19, 2008 12:28 am ET)
           

        SSSands, remind me again, which professional defensive line would McCain tell the N.Vietnamese were his squadron mates? When he was in Pittsburgh, he said the Steelers...but didn't he also say the Packers?

        And lest we forget, his charming death remark about the Chinese dying from smoking. I think it was the Chinese. 

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        • Author by MissDee (August 19, 2008 6:07 am ET)
             

          it was Iran, but never let factual accuracy or at a least a reasonable interpretation prevent you from ranting...

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          • Author by princeofwheels (August 19, 2008 8:11 am ET)
               

            Missdee, Why are you attacking me? What is wrong about what I posted? I am just trying to express a point. McCain is running for the highest office in the land and there are somethings just not right about him. My wife wants to know why you are saying such nasty things about me. I will explain further my comment but I have changed my travels arrangements. I am not a liberal. I am voting for Snoopy and the Big Dog party. Got run, David Duke is on the other line.

            ***from Click and Clack** SIGNED,

            Paul Murky, Murky Research. Official researcher for any Corsi book.

            P.S. I notice you left out the football RANT? Why? Haven't the morons told you on the radio? Or did Seannie the Sissy not mention it?

            P.S. #2...Since our research MAY be wrong, can you explain to us RANTERS why he thought killing people was funny. Very Republicanish presidential of Sen. McTalkee.

             

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (August 19, 2008 10:14 am ET)
         

       Sen. John McCain cited his refusal to accept an early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

      Was that because his brainwashing wasn't complete?  How can we be sure he's not a Manchurian Candidate?  Anyone want to write a book about that? 

      Personally, I commend his service, but it pales in comparison to Kerry, who had to actually confront the enemy while McCain blasted away at them from 5,000 feet in the air.

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    • Author by laissezfairesucks (August 19, 2008 11:03 am ET)
         

      I thought McCain refused an early release because he wasn't done SINGING to his captors!

      And why oh why could Douglas MacArther smear JFK accusing him of receiving favorable treatment when, in MacArthur's opinion JFK should have been court martialed for losing his plywood PT boat but McCain gets a free pass for having lost one of the world's most advanced multi-million dollar fighter jets?

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    • Author by laissezfairesucks (August 19, 2008 11:07 am ET)
         

      Won't be seeing any books promoted about McCain's FAILURE as a fighter pilot NOR his REVEALING SECRETS to his captors while incarcerated!!!

       John Kerry stood in front of bullets, shot back and killed his adversary. And was roundly smeared in the corporate media for it.

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    • Author by proudconservative (August 19, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
         

      Now for something completely different.....

      Here's the start of the story of Obama's strong connection to the radical left....

      http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42.html#anchor792932

      http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html#anchor1078925

      And in case you know not of the CDSA..

      http://www.chicagodsa.org/Wherewe.html

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