Limbaugh: Obama's nomination "goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy"
SUMMARY: Rush Limbaugh said that "it is striking how unqualified [Sen. Barack] Obama is and, and how this whole thing came about with, within the Democrat Party. I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy." Limbaugh went on to say: "I think this is a classic illustration here where affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them.
On the August 19 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh said that "it is striking how unqualified [Sen. Barack] Obama is and, and how this whole thing came about with, within the Democrat [sic] Party. I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy." Limbaugh went on to say: "I think this is a classic illustration here where affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them. It's the reverse of it. They've, they've ended up nominating and placing at the top of their ticket somebody who's not qualified, who has not earned it." Limbaugh added: "It's perfect affirmative action. And because of all this guilt and the historic nature of things, nobody had the guts to say, well, wait a minute, do we really want to do this?"
From the August 19 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
CALLER: But here I -- I'm actually idling. I've got the air on full-blast so I'm gonna', I'm going to take my time. But -- she says to say, "Hi." But here, here's the thing, Rush. I'm thinking -- coming from Chicago, you know, where we -- we're just inundated with Barack and his ideas, I do believe that on some level the liberals understand the free market because whenever racism is becoming scarce, they do not hesitate to drill for more.
LIMBAUGH: No, they understand it. They just oppose it.
CALLER: OK. But they want it when it benefits them.
LIMBAUGH: Exactly right.
CALLER: OK.
LIMBAUGH: So when, when a precious resource like racism becomes scarce --
CALLER: Exactly.
LIMBAUGH: -- they will go out and drill for new sources.
CALLER: OK.
LIMBAUGH: You're exactly right. They understand the principle. They want it for themselves, just not anybody else. Liberals can have two sets of rules: One for the elites, the arrogants and the condescending elites, and the other set of rules for everybody else.
CALLER: Uh-hmm.
LIMBAUGH: They will exempt themselves from the limiting rules they place on everybody else.
CALLER: Yes. And you hit it right on with Barack. It -- they keep talking about all these reasons: Why is it the poll's so close? What's going on?
And it reminds me of that, that scene in Caddyshack -- I don't know if you're familiar with where Chevy Chase is trying to teach Bill Murray how to golf and he's kind of saying, "You're not, you're not ..." And he's standing behind him and he's trying to -- and he says, "You're not good."
You know, it just reminds me of that. He's just not good.
LIMBAUGH: What did, what did he say? You're not what?
CALLER: He -- Chevy Chase --
LIMBAUGH: Oh. "You're not good. You're not good."
CALLER: Yeah, he's tryin' to say, you know, you're not leaning, you're not doing -- you're not, you're not good."
You know, so it just reminds me of that. You know, he's just not cut out for the job. So --
LIMBAUGH: No, he's not. He's -- it's -- to me, it is striking how unqualified Obama is and how this whole thing came about with, within the Democrat Party. I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy. They just -- they were -- liberal policies are always going to end up strangling liberals, too.
And I think, I think this is a classic illustration here where affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them. It's the reverse of it. They've, they've ended up nominating and placing at the top of their ticket somebody who's not qualified, who has not earned it.
It's perfect affirmative action. And because of all this guilt and the historic nature of things, nobody had the guts to say, well, wait a minute, do we really want to do this?
So they do it and then they start behaving in manners and ways that let us know that they know that they've goofed up with the choice. Actually, it's been somewhat fascinating to watch.
They might as well. They've already backed down after Rick Davis demanded that they drop the 'cone of silence' issue. Even Olbermann-- who piously protests, and then does exactly what the repubs bully them about.
I love the implication that Limbaugh would somehow approve another Dem being nominated-- like Hillary...if they'd had, he'd then accuse Dems of being bigots!
"I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy"
Funny, but I thought Obama won the nomination after months of a hard fought primary fight with several other Democratic candidates? I guess instead of voting for or against him, Democrats just should have stood outside the polling place, spoken from their "gut", and said "NO!"
"They've, they've ended up nominating and placing at the top of their ticket somebody who's not qualified, who has not earned it."
The Republicans did that back in 2000 and it seemed to work out OK for them.
yeah, it was a more progressive time, and a Dem won. The last great era for Dems, before the Reaction.
Obama is turning into Dukakis II instead-- that's the better parallel. And the end result will be the same-- a Republican mandate, although this time it will be far worse, a joyous party for the libertarian/market economy wing.
Bye bye to everything.
Science,
Can you explain how Jimmy Carter was unqualified, since he had Military experience, was a Governer and so on?
I'm sorry. I'm working as hard as I can just to get the thought process mixed up enough to sound genuine, I simply forgot the emotional aspect.
Carter was in the Navy not the Army, he was a 2 term Governor of Ga, (better then your boy now) he was a peanut farmer, not a popcorn farmer, and if you want to win your arguement, don't bring up the price of gas.
Slow down there, hoss.
NEON is one of the good guys. He was being facetious.
You might want to lurk just a little while longer to figure out who's who.
Here's a little help (entirely my own opinion, based on almost 5 years of reading and participating in discussion here):
SCIENCE101, ANOTHERAMERICAN, SHOES89, and DAWUSS are all wingnuts with only one brain that they must share, though it's never clear who has possession of it on any given day. This is also true for most (but not all) posters with random strings of numbers after their names (mgarnett251924).
JETER2 and TOMMY are "independents" who pretend they're above it all but have revealed themselves to lean Right on all substantive issues. However, they often manage to make a sensible, reasoned post expressing a respectable/respectful opinion (even if we don't agree with them.)
You will also find a flood of "seagull" posters in any discussion of Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh. These losers fly in, make a lot of noise, crap on everything, and fly off without so much as a howdy-do.
As for me, I'm as far to the Left as anyone here and fiercely proud of it. I'm also a total dick except in real life. (At least that's what my wife says.)
Oops, I for got a wingnut: BRUCE1ACE.
Anyone else?
I just, I don't know, me too.
"Carter was unqaulifyed because he was the worst president ever"
Prove he was worse than Shrub? (hint: he wasn't)
"plus, he was not ever a former prisoner of war even though he was in the army. "
He was in the NAVY and he was a submarine commander
"He wa s probably as bad as Karry and faked a bunch of medals before the democrat party let him run for president.:
Where's your proof? (hint: there isn't any)
"he was only govener of georgia"
Shrub was only the governor of Texas. What's your point? (hint: there isn't one)
"and a popcorn farmer"
Peanut farmer. And his farm is still in business. Where are the "businesses" Shrub ran? (hint: in the drink)
"which is not good training to be president"
It's better to be a failed businessman like Shrub, than a success farmer like Carter? (hint: no, it isn't)
"which is why we fot had the worst inflation in teh history of the country and we could not afford gas. that is a mistake tha america is still payhing for."
It's been what, 30 years? since Carter was President...and you're blaming HIM for gas prices TODAY? Geez...you have the Clinton basher beaten all hollow! Congratulations.
It was a parody. I mean, come on. How the hell does one go about raising popcorn? Grow corn, then go out to the fields with a butane torch?
"It was a parody. I mean, come on. How the hell does one go about raising popcorn? Grow corn, then go out to the fields with a butane torch?"
I don't do parody. I read and I respond to what I read. And, BTW, it's still "popcorn" while it's in the field. Popcorn is a variety of corn that "pops" when it's heated. Even if it doesn't pop...it's still popcorn. So yes, you raise popcorn by growing it. You pop it by heating the mature kernels.
There's just so much wrong with your post it's hard to know where to begin. Let's just start at the top.
Mr. Carter worst President ever? I think history will show that Mr. G.W. Bush will hold that role.
Mr. Carter was in the Navy (finished 59th out of 820 at the Naval Academy), not the Army. And what does being a POW have to do with anything?
He was only Governor of Georgia. Mr. G.W. Bush was only Governor of Texas, Mr. McCain has been Governor of what, exactly?
Mr. Carter resigned from the Navy upon the death of his father to take over the family peanut farm. He did not raise popcorn.
And you remember that in 1973 the OPEC nations agreed to reduce the amount of oil that they were making available on the world market, don't you? That was during Nixon's tenure and was the primary cause of inflation and slow growth well into the 1980's.
Mr. Carter was correct about a great many things. Unfortunately the "Me" generation wasn't willing to make the sacrifices necessary at the time.
I agree with the 'me generation' thing. I thought Carter's 'malaise' speech was absolutely brilliant. He was totally right about spoiled attitudes back then (people crying and bitching about gas going up 35 cents, my god!) and he nailed the problem.
Of course, he was crucified by the Press for this.
They hated him, the way they now hate all Dems and do-gooders. They're a cynical, hateful, worms-for-brains lot, the majority of them, and it's our cross to bear. Things are going to have to get MUCH worse before they get better.
Carter was unqaulifyed because he was the worst president ever and he made the country have the biggest inflation ever. plus,
Hey nitwit,
inflation started with Nixon, and was far worse 1972-1976. It as so bad that Nixon even instituted wage and price controls-- he brought back the OPA for chrisakes!.
Same with gas prices and gas lines-- it was FAR worse under Nixon-Ford 1973-1977. They started the problem, Carter inherited and ENDED it-- last gas lines (barely) were in 1979.
Much of the problem with gas was that no one-- until 1977 (Carter) came up with the idea of odd/even days, which cut down lines, and the panic, immediately and drastically.
Isn't it fun, righties, to ignore the facts? It makes life for you guys so much easier, eh?
Jimmy Carter graduated too high in his Naval Academy class to be considered Presidential timber...shouldn't have happened.
Sen. Obama wants to be President. How many military planes has he crashed? Well?
at least one-- knowlingly and voluntarily bombing innocent Vietnamese civilians in an ignoble war that we lost.
Ah, the truth. It's so repellent to so many, isn't it?
Who or what was the underlying cause of the problems he faced when he was inaugurated?
Explain how his actions or inactions harmed the country?
You come here telling us the history of those times, yet you weren't even born in 1976. Some of us lived through those times.
Only a mindless, dittohead could say that Crater was to blame for everything that happened from January 1977 to January 1981.
If as you think, Carter was wholly responsible for everything that happened between those dates then are we to understand that we can hold no one but George W. Bush responsible for the most devastating terrorist attack in world history?
that we can hold no one but George W. Bush responsible for the most devastating terrorist attack in world history?
The posters of MMFA do just that. And then some.
August 6th, 2001 ---- Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US
Failure-in-Chief Bush's response was to clear brush on his ranch
Add that up and what do you get ... Worst President Ever
What goes around comes around.
And in your case, what's going around looks like the tertiary stage of an STD.
You come here telling us the history of those times, yet you weren't even born in 1976. Some of us lived through those times.
This is the bane of the age, worrierking.
I especially love those punks who weren't even around during Vietnam, but who tell us what a glorious and heroic war it was.
It's very very scary, these idiots.
I know, what a jerk he was.
And don't forget, he created inflation and personally started gas lines himself.
Everyone knows that it was Ronald Reagan who made the world safe for-- well, everything.
The bastard!
Wesley,
Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?
Science,
So you put a lot of faith in polls?
It's all about how the question is framed.
sk that same sample if they favor a small raise in taxes if it meant healthcare for man, woman and child and three out of four will say yess.
Only if those 3 people currently dont pay taxes to begin with and will get free healthcare.
Uh, no kidding - but thats not what I asked.
However, on your subject, it just goes to prove that a windfall profits tax will only increase the price of fuel on consumers.
fundamental American principle that all men (and thanks to liberals, women and minorities) are created equal.
Yes, CREATED equal - and what you do with it from there is your own personal responsibility.
Look, the simple fact is that a healthy economy depends upon people taking risks. In the absence of a strong social safety net, the ability to take risks, is well, too risky to consider.
People worked hard - on their own - to build america. They didnt rely on govt handouts then, and shouldn't not.
I dont hate America, you do...for wanting to turn it into a European like country....something our ancestors left behind on purpose.
But, besides that, Thomas Jefferson thinks you're a tool.
"I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength: 1. That of general education, to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom. 2. To divide every county into hundreds, of such size that all the children of each will be within reach of a central school in it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1810. ME 12:393
"Of all the views of this law [for public education], none is more important, none more legitimate, than that of rendering the people the safe as they are the ultimate guardians of their own liberty." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:206
"Education not being a branch of municipal government, but, like the other arts and sciences, an accident [i.e., attribute] only, I did not place it with election as a fundamental member in the structure of government." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:45
"Education is here placed among the articles of public care, not that it would be proposed to take its ordinary branches out of the hands of private enterprise, which manages so much better all the concerns to which it is equal; but a public institution can alone supply those sciences which, though rarely called for, are yet necessary to complete the circle, all the parts of which contribute to the improvement of the country, and some of them to its preservation." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:423
"The present consideration of a national establishment for education, particularly, is rendered proper by this circumstance also, that if Congress, approving the proposition, shall yet think it more eligible to found it on a donation of lands, they have it now in their power to endow it with those which will be among the earliest to produce the necessary income. The foundation would have the advantage of being independent on war, which may suspend other improvements by requiring for its own purposes the resources destined for them." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:424
A Bill for Educating the Masses:
"The object [of my education bill was] to bring into action that mass of talents which lies buried in poverty in every country for want of the means of development, and thus give activity to a mass of mind which in proportion to our population shall be the double or treble of what it is in most countries." --Thomas Jefferson to M. Correa de Serra, 1817. ME 15:156
"The general objects [of a bill to diffuse knowledge more generally through the mass of the people] are to provide an education adapted to the years, to the capacity, and the condition of every one, and directed to their freedom and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:204
"A bill for the more general diffusion of learning... proposed to divide every county into wards of five or six miles square;... to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools, who might receive at the public expense a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects, to be completed at an University where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completely prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:399
"This [bill] on education would [raise] the mass of the people to the high ground of moral respectability necessary to their own safety and to orderly government, and would [complete] the great object of qualifying them to secure the veritable aristoi for the trusts of government, to the exclusion of the pseudalists... I have great hope that some patriotic spirit will... call it up and make it the keystone of the arch of our government." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:400
"My partiality for that division [of every county into wards] is not founded in views of education solely, but infinitely more as the means of a better administration of our government, and the eternal preservation of its republican principles. The example of this most admirable of all human contrivances in government, is to be seen in our Eastern States; and its powerful effect in the order and economy of their internal affairs, and the momentum it gives them as a nation, is the single circumstance which distinguishes them so remarkably from every other national association." --Thomas Jefferson to Wilson C. Nicholas, 1816. ME 14:454
"The less wealthy people,... by the bill for a general education, would be qualified to understand their rights, to maintain them, and to exercise with intelligence their parts in self-government; and all this would be effected without the violation of a single natural right of any one individual citizen." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:73
One of our foremost founding fathers believed that investing in the general welfare, what you would call a "hand out," paid huge dividends for our continued freedom and sovereignty.
To reiterate, handouts are a conservative myth. The liberal way is about rewarding hard work, lifting up all Americans and securing a better future through, yes, good government.
Embrace your patriotism, shrug off the hero myth because we are all in it together.
Get with the common good, brother, or get left behind.
Get with the common good, brother, or get left behind.
Shouldn't that read; Get with the common good, COMRADE?
You're pathetic.
Flophouse posted:
Hey Hogprick!
Niiiiiice!
I like this game. I bet I can name more people associated with/or were communists in our government than you can name "authorotarian thugs"in our government.
Remember...In our Government...
You allude to me as a commie, call me flophouse and condescend to me like an arrogant ass the other day and expect me greet you with flowers now. Just get over it.
I like that qualifier, "in our government." Since when do you think you were granted authority to set the parameters of any discussions here.
But you go ahead and look back fifty or sixty years, find some commies. I could care less at this point. It's history.
All I have to do today to find a right wing authoritarian thug is turn on the radio or tv, I'll find one preaching violent rhetoric and using intimidation. Just observe Hannity, Coulter, Boortz, Savage, Limbaugh, Gibson, Hewitt, O'Reilly, Malkin, Schlessinger, Ingraham, Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Boehner, Gingrich, Delay, Ney, Cunningham, Dobson, Brownback, Thompson, Giulianni, McCain, Santorum, McConnell,...I think you get where I'm going with this.
The right is hate. Own it.
wanting to turn it into a European like country
Let's see: Europe has good food, public transporation, culture, and universal health care.
The US has fast food, highway gridlock, American Idol, and the most inefficient health care in the world.
I'll take a little more European influence anytime. You, by the way, are simply a hater, nothing more, nothing less.
Let's see: Europe has good food, public transporation, culture, and universal health care.
The US has fast food, highway gridlock, American Idol, and the most inefficient health care in the world.
Fog,
There are alternatives to staying in the retched USA. There are planes leaving hourly. No one is keeping you here.
Science101: Yeh - like the Transcontinental Railroad! The Big 4 didn't need any gov't handouts to build that, did they!
Well, of course, actually they did...Along with canals and the telegraph and the US Mail subsidies and many, many other forms of corporate welfare.
Including a legal system that considers a corporation to be a person...Jim Hightower has done a great job exposing that one.
Well, at least Big Oil doesn't need government handouts!
Actually, while Big Oil doesn't need 'em they are sure gettin' 'em!
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????
That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe. It's always someone else's fault and everybody owes me a living and should provide for my needs. And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them
And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them
Not true, NLT. You cramp MY style but I can't abort you.....
:-)
"That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe. It's always someone else's fault..." -- noleftturns
You are so right. Liberals are so stoopid! Not like President Bush, who took sole responsibility for failure to act before 9/11, being wrong on Iraq's WMD and federal failures on Katrina. No finger pointing there at all. The buck stops at the President's desk. Am I right? Yessiree, Bob! Hahahahaha.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????
That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe. It's always someone else's fault and everybody owes me a living and should provide for my needs. And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them
- noleftturns
Hey, how'd you find out?!
Language and audience are the biggest factor in the outcomes of polls. Polling people at a McCain rally will yield different results than at an Obama rally. Phrasing certain questions a certain way to those people will yield different results as well.
Political polls are like sports power rankings. They don't matter once the legitimate action occurs.
scienceguy,
Correctamundo. Pelosi caved on her high minded "saving the planet" rhetoric after reading the polling. Very similar to McCain caving on illegal immigration...when he was handed his head by the polling organizations.
Wesley,
Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?
Wishful thinking.
It's proof instead that the 'big lie' technique works, especially with a Republican-run news media.
Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?
I believe the polls reflect that as the true nature of the two candidates is revealed, the public is waking up to the fact that Obama is just not ready to lead. Articles like this one are beginning to have an effect on the voting public. This article offers a great contrast in the leadership styles of the two candidates running for president. It's a little long, but well worth the read. It basically chronicles the back channels of the Iraq war (something liberals have never been given the straight story about) and shows that despite the best efforts of the liberal media, McCain is much more qualified to lead and will not sell out in the name of political expediency. It confirms the liberal beliefs that a ton of mistakes were made in Iraq but also confirms that with the right leadership, mistakes can be overcome and victory achieved.
While I haven't been one of McCain's biggest supporters up to this point, and don't agree with everything he supports, I now can clearly see that he does have what it takes to lead our great nation. I have a new found respect for McCain and I believe that the polls show I'm not alone. The more I know about both candidates, the clearer it is that McCain is the better choice. McCain is the real deal!
"McCain is much more qualified to lead and will not sell out in the name of political expediency." --cb
Hahahaha...Now is the time to roll the parade of McCain flip-flops. I like McCain, but let's be realistic. He has changed his tune on almost every major issue. Just because he sticks behind his wrong judgment on Iraq is not really a great sell either.
I don't know who I am voting for at this point. I was once solidly for McCain, but now I am not so sure that is a good idea.
Whatever they're giving you, it isn't worth selling out your fellow coountrymen's future with wingnut McCain propaganda.
But hey, if you liked Bush, you'll love McCain.
Wesley: First of all, the Zogby polls have not exactly proven to be very accurate. Second, you've ignored the very important "Margin of Error." So called "leads" of 5% to 7% in most polls do not exceed the standard 3.5% to 5% margin(s) of error. In other words, and I'm typing very slowly here, until the spread between two candidates or issues exceeds the margin of error there is no difference. It's a tie.
Classic Limbaugh. No wonder he got that multi-year multi-million dollar contract. Or as H.L. Mencken put it: No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
In what amounts to national perversity, Limbaugh's made enough to fund hundreds of childrens' hospitals and other more worthy receipients using that axiom.
Well aimed bigotry = big bucks.
"Less qualified" by what measure?
Obama has more time in elected office than Clinton (12 vs 10), and is on two major Senate committees relating to foreign policy.
What are Hillary Clinton's qualifications over and above Barack Obama? That she was married to a President? That she's white?
Rush is getting stale. He better prop up his style of Hannity will pass him on the totem pole.
The recent rants of Mr. Limbaugh should show the Republicans that this type of rhetoric will get your party defeated. Not just for the presidency but the House and Senate also.
Rush is a business man. He is in it for the money and got his, well deserved, reward in his newest contract. But to rely on his instinct and lack of intellect is destroying the Republican party. Does anyone remember when McCain got the nomination. Didn't Rush say that he wouldn't vote for him or wouldn't work for him? That was the true Rush..expressing his anger because people weren't listening to him.
How many Dittoheads want Rush to come out and debate a Democrat on issues and this race to the White House. Rush won't do it and the Dittoheads know why. Because everyone will try to attack Rush. At least that what he tells them. Rush hides behind his microphone and dishes out trash just like this rant above.
Who are "They"? And what were "They" supposed to have the "guts" to say? 'Hey Obama, get to the back of the line where you belong'
The Democratic party gave Obama the nomination by their VOTES, not affirmative action anything.
Now, I still think Hilary was the better candidate, but that's another topic ;-)
Obama earned the nomination. Period.
Jeter,
Just a minor point. Obama may have earned the nomination from the voices of the democrat voters...but the democratic party has not given him anything just yet.
Will he get the nomination? Probably...but the outcome hinges on about 100 votes on the first ballot. The new Zogby/Reuters poll suggests there might be a little unrest by the natives on the reservation.
Science,
Are you telling me that you automatically think that if a person of color receives a promotion that its based on skin color? What in the world is the basis for your post?
Ok, now I get it.
Science,
Do your relatives hold the same prejudices that you do?
So, you won't speak for your relatives (who are in positions of leadership within these organizations - and if racist, have no reason to be in such a role to begin with), but you will speak for everyone and all circumstances when you say that promotions go to minorities. Nice. Not only are you a racist, but you're a hypocrite as well!
What I find disturbing is that you (and possibly your relatives) see someone get a promotion - and the first thing you think about is the color of their skin and whether or not it was an affirmative action promotion, instead of looking at the person's qualifications and work history, which are probably good enough reasons for promotion (and usually are the reasons!).
Keep digging Roy.
I don't see it as prejudice. Science
Most racists never do.
What makes you believe there was not an equal shot for everyone here? If the white guys got the job, don't you think the black folks might think the same thing? Of course, they would be playing the race card in that case. Right?
If it is so terrible, how on Earth did your relative even make Captain in the first place?
Science101: You're ignoring the most common form of Affirmative Action around - legacy. What do most LA firefighters have in common? Their fathers were LA firefighters. What's college and university AA for white folks? Alumni preferences.
But we just never do seem to hear about that - why not? Because it cuts too close to home.
Face it - liberals and convervatives both believe in welfare. Liberals believe it should go to individuals who need it. Conservatives believe it should go to corporates that deserve it. Did you read the recent GAO report on how few "American" corporations actually pay income tax? Do you know the declining percentgage of Federal income tax revenue that comes from corporations?
I also know that oil companies pay more in federal taxes that 75% of of the American public combined.
Everyone knows that corporations dont pay taxes, and everyone knows that when you increase taxes on them, they pass it on to consumers in the form of increased product prices. THATS is why we give them tax breaks - to make products cheaper for consumers.
The only way to curtail that is to put a cap on how much money a corporation can make - but good luck keeping any jobs in the US!
Science 101: I thought the right wing nutz always argued that reducing capital gains and corporate taxes increased revenues. Are you saying its a good thing that corporations don't pay taxes but individuals do?
As to oil company taxes, since they get such huge breaks for depreciation and stock buybacks (somewhere between two and four times what they spend looking for new oil) and excessive executive compensation, you didn't pick a great example.
THATS is why we give them tax breaks - to make products cheaper for consumers
<Ding Ding> We have a winner for the most obtuse comment of the month. How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?
You actually make a decent point. Windfall taxes are a pretty stupid idea. Everything is really taking care of itself here. Because prices on fuel went up, people found ways to use less of it (causing prices to go down a bit). Cheap fuel really is not a fix to anything - it just perpetuates the obviously foolish idea that there is no real need to fundamentally change what we are doing.
I hate to pay high fuel prices, but in the end, that is what will get us off of oil.
Just a minor point. Obama may have earned the nomination from the voices of the democrat voters...but the democratic party has not given him anything just yet.
Will he get the nomination? Probably...but the outcome hinges on about 100 votes on the first ballot. The new Zogby/Reuters poll suggests there might be a little unrest by the natives on the reservation.
I hear ya Wes. But as you wrote, Obama will likely get the nomination. Of course you & I and a few others here might get a chuckle out of a down & dirty fight at the convention with Hillary coming out the winner/nominee. But I just don't see that happening.
As far as Limbaugh suggesting no one had the guts to say "no" to Obama goes, it's just typical Rush B.S.. While I'm sure some Dem voters supported Obama [or Hillary] because they wanted to be a part of an historic first in our history, I would think most thought Obama to be qualified...which had nothing to do with afirmative action.
No kidding. Did I suggest otherwise? Did you have a point to make Gov?
Oh dear Lord I just know I'm gonna regret asking...;-)
Actually Gov, I was pleasantly surprised. Good post btw.
Rush has proven that he "has the guts" to say anything.
Rush has also proven that he "doesn't have the guts" to do anything.
One would think that if it were as easy for "a black guy" to get nominated as Rush implies, then the Democratic Party (yes, Rush, It's "Democratic". "Democrat" is a noun, not an adjective. Duh.) would have had a steady stream of black nominees since no one would have been able to say "no" to them.
Heck, Lyndon Johnson should have been the last white nominee for President from the Democrats if Rush knew what he was talking about.
...if Rush knew what he was talking about.
And he doesn't. And he STILL hasn't come clean about his arrest in the company of that male prostitute in Pittsburgh back in the '70s......
To guys like Bush, oops, I mean Rush all black people are the same.
And as posted above, Obama won the nomination.
Apparently Ole BlunderRush doesn't - or will not - understand that in about two years Sen. Obama has built, from scratch, a national organization with some 1,000 employees and tens of thousands of volunteers that has generated some $300,000,000 in donations.
When Sheer Insannity barks "What has the community organizer accomplished?" I would suggest that alone is a pretty good start.
his half brother in Kenya who lives on $1/month.
Obama's brother sounds like he can really stay on a budget and doesn't need handouts. That's gotta make conservatives hate him.
The reason for invading Iraq was that Iraqis behead Americans????
Wow, you are twisted. Also, the beheadings of Americans did not begin until AFTER the war started. I hope it's fun in fringe-wacko la-la land, though.
Well - we have enough scumbags on the streets of Detroit and Cleveland. Perhaps those terrorists will be doing us a favor there.
But in all seriousness, don't be obtuse. Of course we'd rather fight there, than deal with them trying to come into our country while the ACLU cries about racial profiling.
Don't you mean to say our military and not you specifically?
And be careful. If terrorists behead all of the scumbags who will mourn for you?
There you go with that "we'd rather fight them there" stuff.
Whats funny, is I'm not the one who brought it up at all. Irony was...but hey "there you go again with..."
What Science101 believes makes 'conservatives' happy:
Famine and starvation around the world, and people living in poverty.
I thought I might become a conservative, but I'm not pro-famine, so I think I'll just remain independent.
Sure, but its just a shame that he doesn't take care of his half brother in Kenya who lives on $1/month.(science)
Obama's brother sounds like he can really stay on a budget and doesn't need handouts. That's gotta make conservatives hate him.(Me)
Err no, that makes us happy. (Science)
Shameful & Happy. Together at last.From the wingnut who brought you aborted fetuses zombified into parole officers.
It appears that there isn't a great deal of sibling love in Cindy McCain's family...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/20/AR2008082000253_pf.html
...theres a reason you'd no longer be with her.
Yea...like she got short, fat and crippled while you were away. Remember...the failure of his first marriage is what John McCain says is his greatest moral failure. Mighty white of him to admit it now...
Non-sequitur.
*facepalm*
I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy.
Rush is so right...! Who do black people think they are? Freeing them from slavery and giving them the vote (you'd think they'd appreciate it) is one thing...and we even let them marry our women! But to let one become President? Liberals go too far...it's un-American! <heavy sarcasm>
I like these dittohead callers, usually sounding like the unemployed base audience who have nothing to do but wait on hold with their "brilliant" theories.
Drilling for Racism. Yes,Liberals often try to expose racism, as hard as the wingnuts try to throw kitty litter over it after spilling it all over the place.But Rush has his monkeys convinced that the people ignoring their own racism are trying to make it go away.
usually sounding like the unemployed base audience who have nothing to do but wait on hold with their "brilliant" theories
So you're claiming that all his callers are democrats?
Yes it is to safe to say that and do you knwo why because of thanks to our tropps who you liberals and Hussein obama wont funding for and want to see loose the war. if it was not ofr the troops, you would not be able to say anything because you would be speaking germany and you would be in jail. just like liberals want to do to raidio with the fareness doctorin. which means you would make get rid of Rush because he knows so much about liberals and tells the truth about the democrat party. and he is number one on the radio but no liberal is. and Hannity is number two.
(I'm sorry, guys. I just HAD to refer to Hannity as "number two", couldn't help myself. I promise not to do that any more. Stay strong, stay united, stay on message, brother righties.)
Hey, give me a break. I don't do this every day like some. In fact, this is the first time I've ever filled in for BOTH ANOTHERAMERICAN and MGARNETT.
As I've posted before, helpful suggestions appreciated. Though, I gotta say, I thought I got that comment pretty close. Glad you caught the Germany part, but I find it hard to believe that everything else was too obscure.
Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Well played, Neon-D! You got me!
Well played!
Fail.
"I know you are, but whaty am I?" may be considered cutting edge to the same audience who thinks "drilling for racism" is clever. That's you. Republicans.The people who listen to hours of talk radio every day, and wait on hold. Did you really need that explained?
Isn't it safe to say that 60% of democrats are unemployed?
Safe? Why are you suddenly scared to say something stupid?
If you're asking if it's reasonable, I'd say it's as reasonable as your recent suggestion to have zombie fetuses involved in making legal decisions about their parents jail sentences.
Have you lost what little you had left of your tiny troll mind?
"Safe? Why are you suddenly scared to say something stupid?"--The Col.
Man, you tear me up! Hahaha!
The people who listen to hours of talk radio every day,
And if those people are so bad - why are you crying for the fairness doctrine? Perhaps to get your libby friends to listen for hours a day to the radio?
I don't recall crying for the fairness doctrine. Have you had enough of making an idiot of yourself for one thread, or are you up for some more?
BTW, just hypothetically, if I were crying for the FD, it would have nothing to do with liberals staying home and listening to radio all day. It would only mean that Cons would be able to hear an opposing viewpoint and some truth for a few minutes after an hour of right wing BS. Terrifying, isn't it?
Only old, bitter people listen to talk radio. The younger generation watches television, and gets most of their spin from the internet and cable news.
Right-wing talk radio will be dead in 20-30 years, along with most of its listeners...
And yet most media organizations are downsizing while Rush gets a record deal...
Good one DAWUSS.
These lefties are to stupid to realize that Rush makes more than any of there idiot airhead amercia people do and there is a reason its because he is better and does not lie about mcain and bush the way the airhead america people do. nobody wants liberal radio and them lie about mcain and bush which is wy airhead america is going bankrupt and they want to the fareness doctrin so bad so they can shut down rush and shawn.
One thing that could make for an interesting study is if American society is moving in a liberal direction or a conservative direction today. I've heard one individual (Savage) claim that there's a small but growing conservative countermovement that will be the force that sends American society back towards conservatism (in other words, we're at the end of "modern day liberalism"), and others (this one former high school classmate of mine) say that American society is getting more and more liberal (in other words, we're only at the beginning of "modern day liberalism").
Could be an interesting study, but I'll save that for those more qualified than I.
Hey Colonel, great impression of Right-Winger [our all CAP poster]
Rush is getting a record deal? That fat bastard sings, too? Sheesh...
"The facts of life are conservatve." -Maggie Thatcher.
So there's someone who disagrees with some of what you said.
DO NOT.
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DRIED.
UP.
F'ING.
HARRIDON.
INTO.
ANY.
CONVERSATION.
ABOUT.
DECENT.
PEOPLE.
There are special places in hell l have been told be friends who are religious. I can only hope that oild bitch's place is reserved.
"The facts of life are conservatve."
What about "One day at a Time", "Who's the Boss", or "Different Strokes"?
I know you're scared, Rush. I know you're afraid the sweeping political change that will inevitably come in Obama's first 100 days. And don't kid yourself, homeboy, the progressive grassroots are right now marshaling efforts to coordinate a strong and massive political voice that will combat the corporate whores as they try to co-opt Obama's agenda.
This is our democracy, Rush, we're going to take it back in the name of our greatest American ideals of effective government, broad prosperity, mutual responsibility, stronger defense and a better future.
Hold on tight, Rush. You're in for a bumpy ride.
Hold on tight, Rush. You're in for a bumpy ride.
He could always go back to his old job witht eh Kansas City Royals. Or go back to being a DJ under the pseudonym Jeff Christie - as longas he stays away from those male prostitutes......
"He could always go back to his old job witht eh Kansas City Royals."
Couldn't he buy the team if we wanted to? I know there were those rumors of him planning on buying part of the Pittsburgh Steelers...
We're in the last 5 months of the second Bush ;)
Damn! Just when I think I've got it, something like this comes along and makes me feel like I'll never even have a chance to really master the medium.
AND YOU CAN THANK RUSSIA FOR PUTTING MCCAIN OVER THE TOP.
First, could you please stop yelling. On the left side of your keyboard you'll find the CapsLock key. Press it. There.
So are we letting the Russians vote in our election? First the Germans, now the ruskies. Next it'll be Iran.
Seriously, if you think our current crisis with Russia is going to win the election for McCain, then are you suggesting the American people don't think Obama can handle things?
But I'm having a hard time deciphering your gibberish. Are you trying to equate the presidency with being a CEO? If you are, that is deeply ridiculous. As much as the right yearn for consumerism to supplant democracy, our country is not a corporation.
Kyle B: Your post reminded me of something I have not thought about in quite a while. Remember when George Bush was the "first MBA President?"
Let's a cold-blooded look at Iraq in M&A terms. Hostile takeover. Fully leveraged buy-out - Iraqi oil was going to pay 100% of the total cost. In other words, liquidation of the acquisition target's assets would finance the transaction.
Results? Dismal failure.
"it is striking how unqualified [Sen. Barack] Obama is"
Funny, Obama has nearly identical qualifications as Bush(43) had.
"I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy."
Yes, that's why no one ran against him in the primaries at all.
"I think this is a classic illustration here where affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them."
Rush likes to make this allegation about Obama yet is unable to provide a single example of him getting an unfair advantage. FWIW, Obama graduated magna cum laude from from Harvard Law. Bush(43) was rejected by the University of Texas Law School.
Ha! Good point Bruce.
Saying Obama is as qualified as Bush isn't a great argument.
Many here have said how woefully unqualified Bush 43 is. If you are equating their qualifications, that's a problem.
While both Obama and Junior don't have a long, long history in politics, that basically where it ends.
Obama has an excellent education that he EARNED, not like Juniors where the school had to pass him with a "C" because of family connections. Obama has worked in the real world as a community organizer, dealing with real people with real problems. Juniors never found a drink, drug or woman that he could say no too UNTIL he found religion when he was 40 years old.
With Obama's command of the English language, excellent education and great people skills he will have to ability to think, comprehension and act whereas, Juniors........not so much.
Limbaugh and all the other airbags who are going down this "affirmative action candidate" route forget something very important when they make this silly argument. Barack Obama is not the first black candidate to run through the Democratic primaries. If Obama only won because of his race, why did the following people not receive the nomination come convention time? Jesse Jackson (1982 & 1984), Charles Woods (1992), Al Sharpton (2004) & Carol Mosely-Braun (2004).
Okay. If race is the only reason Obama's been nominated, then doesn't McCain's many years in the party and his POW status explain why he's been nominated. He may have been in DC for 26+ years, but he sure as hell hasn't done anything. He's been perceived as a maverick when he stands up to his party (snicker, snicker) but when push comes to shove he's right there with the GOPhers. McCain's ambition has addled his already very old brain. The Republican party is a hierarchial party. That's the only reason Bob Dole was the nominee in 1996. Didn't have a chance in hell of winning, but it "was his turn." Sorry Rush. But how do you "earn" a chance at being the nominee? By being the choice of your party. Jeeze. Most Republicans can't stand McCain. He was just the last man left standing.
Can we please just do away with Rush and his ilk?