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Ignoring reported favors to lobbyists, land-swap deals, Politico's Martin and Allen uncritically quoted McCain's assertion that "[l]obbyists don't come to my office"

August 21, 2008 1:38 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Politico's Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin uncritically reported Sen. John McCain's assertion during an "exclusive" interview: "Lobbyists don't come to my office. Because they know they're not going to be an earmark. They know they're not going to get a pork-barrel project. Senator Obama's gotten lots of 'em." Allen and Martin did not note that, to the contrary, lobbyists have reportedly received considerable benefits from McCain on behalf of their clients.

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In an August 20 Politico article, chief political correspondent Mike Allen and senior political writer Jonathan Martin uncritically reported Sen. John McCain's assertion during an "exclusive" interview: "Lobbyists don't come to my office. Because they know they're not going to be an earmark. They know they're not going to get a pork-barrel project. Senator [Barack] Obama's gotten lots of 'em." Allen and Martin offered no challenge to McCain's claim that "[l]obbyists don't come to my office" or his suggestion -- reportedly false -- that McCain does not do favors for lobbyists. They did not mention actions McCain reportedly took on behalf of lobbyist Vicki Iseman's clients, Paxson Communications and Glencairn Ltd., nor did they note that McCain reportedly facilitated land-swap deals that benefited wealthy developers who were major McCain donors, one of whom had hired lobbyists who formerly worked on McCain's campaign and Senate staff.

Indeed, in an article in which Allen and Martin reported that McCain "called lobbyists 'birds of prey' Wednesday and vowed to enforce a lifetime ban on lobbying for members of his administration," of McCain's own numerous ties to lobbyists, the reporters wrote only: "The topic of lobbyists is sensitive for McCain because several of his top aides had lucrative lobbying practices."

Vicki Iseman

In a February 21 article detailing McCain's connections with Iseman, a lobbyist with the firm Alcalde & Fay, The Washington Post reported:

Three telecom lobbyists and a former McCain aide, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Iseman spoke up regularly at meetings of telecom lobbyists in Washington, extolling her connections to McCain and his office. She would regularly volunteer at those meetings to be the point person for the telecom industry in dealing with McCain's office.

The Post further reported:

In the years that McCain chaired the commerce committee, Iseman lobbied for Lowell W. "Bud" Paxson, the head of what used to be Paxson Communications, now Ion Media Networks, and was involved in a successful lobbying campaign to persuade McCain and other members of Congress to send letters to the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Paxson.

In late 1999, McCain wrote two letters to the FCC urging a vote on the sale to Paxson of a Pittsburgh television station. The sale had been highly contentious in Pittsburgh and involved a multipronged lobbying effort among the parties to the deal.

At the time he sent the first letter, McCain had flown on Paxson's corporate jet four times to appear at campaign events and had received $20,000 in campaign donations from Paxson and its law firm. The second letter came on Dec. 10, a day after the company's jet ferried him to a Florida fundraiser that was held aboard a yacht in West Palm Beach.

McCain has argued that the letters merely urged a decision and did not call for action on Paxson's behalf. But when the letters became public, William E. Kennard, chairman of the FCC at the time, denounced them as "highly unusual" coming from McCain, whose committee chairmanship gave him oversight of the agency.

McCain's campaign denied that Iseman or anyone else from her firm or from Paxson "discussed with Senator McCain" the FCC's consideration of the station deal. "Neither Ms. Iseman, nor any representative of Paxson and Alcalde and Fay, personally asked Senator McCain to send a letter to the FCC regarding this proceeding," the campaign said.

In addition, The New York Times reported on February 23 that, on a separate issue, McCain -- along with then-Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) -- sent a letter to the FCC on December 1, 1998, "urg[ing] the commission to abandon plans to close a loophole vitally important to Glencairn Ltd., a client of Vicki Iseman, a lobbyist." The Times further reported, "The provision enabled one of the nation's largest broadcasting companies, Sinclair, to use a marketing agreement with Glencairn, a far smaller broadcaster, to get around a restriction barring single ownership of two television stations in the same city." McCain's December 1 letter warned that the FCC's plan to close the loophole, which McCain argued constituted a refusal to follow congressional intent, "will become part of our overall review of the commission's functions and structure during the next session of Congress," according to the Times article.

Arizona land swaps

In a May 9 article headlined "McCain Pushed Land Swap That Benefits Backer," the Post reported that McCain "championed legislation that will let an Arizona rancher trade remote grassland and ponderosa pine forest here for acres of valuable federally owned property that is ready for development, a land swap that now stands to directly benefit one of his top presidential campaign fundraisers." The Post continued:

Initially reluctant to support the swap, the Arizona Republican became a key figure in pushing the deal through Congress after the rancher and his partners hired lobbyists that included McCain's 1992 Senate campaign manager, two of his former Senate staff members (one of whom has returned as his chief of staff), and an Arizona insider who was a major McCain donor and is now bundling campaign checks.

When McCain's legislation passed in November 2005, the ranch owner gave the job of building as many as 12,000 homes to SunCor Development, a firm in Tempe, Ariz., run by Steven A. Betts, a longtime McCain supporter who has raised more than $100,000 for the presumptive Republican nominee. Betts said he and McCain never discussed the deal.

The Post also noted that "opponents were baffled by [McCain's] seemingly contradictory positions" on the legislation, and quoted Janine Blaeloch, founder and director of the Western Lands Project, asserting, "The bizarre thing to me regarding McCain is, we spent a lot of time with his staff, and we all seemed to be on the same page about the problems with this swap. But somehow, John McCain kept pushing it forward."

Additionally, the Post reported:

Betts is among a string of donors who have benefited from McCain-engineered land swaps. In 1994, the senator helped a lobbyist for land developer Del Webb Corp. pursue an exchange in the Las Vegas area, according to the Center for Public Integrity. McCain sponsored two bills, in 1991 and 1994, sought by donor Donald R. Diamond that yielded the developer thousands of acres in trade for national parkland.

Lobbyists bankrolling McCain's campaign

According to Public Citizen, McCain's campaign is supported by 76 fundraising bundlers who are either current or former lobbyists, more than double that of any other candidate of either party who has run for president this election cycle. Indeed, in a July 16 article, The New York Times reported that McCain "released an updated list of his top money collectors on Tuesday, revealing that nearly a fifth of those who have brought in the largest amounts for him, more than $500,000 each, are lobbyists or work for firms that engage in lobbying."

From the August 20 Politico article:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called lobbyists "birds of prey" Wednesday and vowed to enforce a lifetime ban on lobbying for members of his administration.

"Whenever there's a corrupt system, then you're going to have these birds of prey descend on it to get their share of the spoils," McCain said in a half-hour interview with Politico following a town-hall meeting in the southern part of this swing state.

McCain, clearly weary of vice-presidential speculation, began by saying preemptively that he was not going to say anything about the hot topic. His mood initially seemed sour, and his answers were clipped, although he warmed as the conversation went on.

"Let me just begin by saying that to save you some time, I'm not going to comment on the vice president," he said. "You can ask away, but ... I'm sure you understand."

The topic of lobbyists is sensitive for McCain because several of his top aides had lucrative lobbying practices.

His tough new language is designed to build his case that he would be an agent of change in a race against an opponent who has built his entire campaign on the premise that he will reform the political status quo in Washington.

"I point out what my record is, which is one that has not won me Miss Congeniality over the years," he said. "People want change in America -- we all know that -- and very legitimately so."

The senator went so far as to say: "Lobbyists don't come to my office. Because they know they're not going to be an earmark. They know they're not going to get a pork-barrel project. Senator Obama's gotten lots of 'em.:"

McCain's plan for the strict admonition on future lobbying by White House aides is part of a policy he imposed on his campaign staff this spring after questions were raised about their past clients.

"I would not allow anyone who worked for my administration to go back to lobbying," McCain said. "They would have to make that pledge."

[...]

Although McCain's campaign has become increasingly sharp in its attack on Obama, spending was one of the few times the senator even mentioned his opponent.

"Senator Obama has asked for nearly a billion dollars in earmarked pork-barrel projects. And he rails against lobbyists? I've never taken a single one," McCain said.

In response to a question about the influence industry, McCain noted: "I think there are too many lobbyists in Washington."

"But the fact is that they are the symptom of a disease," he continued. "As long as you have earmarking and pork-barrel spending and bridges to nowhere and money for DNA of bears in Montana and museums and all that, then you're going to have lobbyists.

"So it's kind of entertaining to me to attack the lobbyists rather than the source of the problem, which is the earmark. They'd all be out of business -- most of 'em would be out of business if we stopped pork-barrel and earmark spending."

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
         
      Not a winning issue for McCain.
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      • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
           
        Heck, lobbyists are his office. In fact, one of his top advisors was a lobbyist for Georgia (the country, not the state!). His whole stand on Georgia is all lobbyist driven.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:44 pm ET)
             
          Well, they're not lobbyists now. I kind of consider lobbyists to be a position rather than a lifestyle or race.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
               
            As of last count McCain has 159 lobbyists and former lobbyists on his staff.
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 21, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
               

            Well, they're not lobbyists now.

            Sen. John McCain's top foreign policy adviser prepped his boss for an April 17 phone call with the president of Georgia and then helped the presumptive Republican presidential nominee prepare a strong statement of support for the fledgling republic.

            The day of the call, a lobbying firm partly owned by the adviser, Randy Scheunemann, signed a $200,000 contract to continue providing strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington.

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    • Author by pithaughn (August 21, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
         
      classic Rove politics, blatantly lie about one of your biggest weak spots.
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      • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
           
        Funny you say that. Here's McCain and wife blatantly lying about their meeting mother teresa to make his adoption story look better than it really is!
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      • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 6:00 pm ET)
           
        Like being a member of a church for 20 years and never hearing those controversial statements?
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        • Author by unitarianpatriot (August 21, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
             
          Dear Science. Please go back and listen to tapes of all of that minister's speeches for the past 20 years. Time them. Keep track of how much time he spent talking about Jesus, about helping the poor, about helping drug addicts, about loving your neighbor. Then keep track of how much time he spent telling the truth about the damage done by people in power. Then tote up what is truly racist. (Pointing out that the sins of the white majority were committed by white people is not racism. It is reporting. Damning those people is racist, and against what his church, heck any church, should be about.) Report back to us with the percentages. Until you do that, please don't give us any more baloney about the Rev. Wright. I think he's off base about a few things and WAY off base about a couple -- just about the exact reverse of the current administration, which has gotten a few things right and, oh, about 90 percent of what it has done disastrously, murderously wrong.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 22, 2008 7:54 am ET)
           
        I don't know.  Maybe THEY don't go to HIS office.  Maybe HE goes to THEIRS? ;)
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    • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
         

      "Lobbyists don't come to my office."

      Nope.  They come to one of the many homes that Gramps mcCain doesn't know he and Cindy Lou own...

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 21, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
           
        I've heard he meets them in a soiled utility room, where they draw dollar signs in the mildew.
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        • Author by djasper2761 (August 21, 2008 3:10 pm ET)
             
          Could it be one of them is a skid mark on the depends of life?
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
           

        So see, he is telling the truth ;)

         

        I know, lousy attempt at humor

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        • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
             

          I know, lousy attempt at humor

          That's OK - after all, Gramps McCain is a lousy excuse for a human being - a sell-out who has compromised himself in order to pander for votes.

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        • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 21, 2008 2:13 pm ET)
             

          No - a lousy attempt at humor would be:

          "Bomb, bomb, bomb.  Bomb, bomb Iran!"

          or

          "You little punk, you're drafted!"

          or

          "Who was that marvelous ape?"

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
         

      "I think there are too many lobbyists in Washington."

       

      McCain does speak the truth there.

       

      And therein lies the problem. We elect people who represent lobbyists not constituents.

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 21, 2008 2:13 pm ET)
           
        That's why we're voting for Obama this time.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
             
          Who prefers the company of domestic terrorists.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 21, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
               
            You left off the question mark, but I'll try; Those not sophisticated enough to appreciate an imported terrorist?
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            • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
                 
              THAT was funny.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
                 
              Ha but those no question that he does prefer their company to lobbyists.
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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
                   
                there's**
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              • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 21, 2008 2:46 pm ET)
                   

                Like, say, the lobbyists that run his campaign, and that will be running the U.S. if McCain is elected?

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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
                     
                  I didn't know that. Which ones blew up fed buildings? Did they do it with Ayers?
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                  • Author by commonsenseliberal (August 21, 2008 4:09 pm ET)
                       
                    The guys that blew up Federal buildings were right-wingers.
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          • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
               

            Who Sean Hannity has a creepy fascination with

             

            I think he's the only one who tries to make that an election-deciding issue.

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          • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
               

            Who prefers the company of domestic terrorists.

            The charges against William Ayres were dropped over 30 years ago.  Since then, he has been a productive member of society.  The right side of the aisle, however, is littered with criminals and unrepenting felons, such as Ollie North, G. Gorson Liddy, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Tom DeLay, etc.

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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 2:40 pm ET)
                 
              Excuse me, all those necon talking heads-aside, the charges were dropped on a prosecutor technicality, not because he didn't participate in the bombings. The good Mr. Ayers has since said he regretted not doing more bombings. Nice guy.
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              • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
                   
                But has he bombed anything since those charges were dropped?  No.  The anti-Obama forces are beating a dead horse on this one.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
                     

                  LOLOLOLOL

                  You really don't think it's a big deal? He's UNREPENTANT. If OBL quit Al Qaeda tomorrow would it be ok to be friends with him in 20 years, even if he said he regretted not blowing up more buildings?

                  Astounding.

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 21, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                       
                    Dex, if Bill Ayers said he was sorry, do you think you and sean Hannity would calm down?
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                    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
                         

                      Negative ghostrider.

                      I'm fine with opposing Obama on the issues alone, but I just can't leave a juicy debate about which candidate's acquaintances raise more questions about the integrity of their associations.

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                      • Author by historygeek001 (August 21, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
                           
                        So how do you feel about McCain being part of the Keating Five?
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                        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
                             

                          McCain should've stuck with his gut and not gone to any meetings about the failed bank, but he was completely cleared of any wrongdoing, unlike some of his other democrat associates. Certainly no one died.

                          McCain is a politician and has made errors in judgement and is beholden to some special interests. I don't deny that; I just think it's astounding how so many Obama apologists on here look the other way on his associations.

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                          • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                               

                            So because no one died it's totally OK.

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                          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 21, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
                               

                            McCain should've stuck with his gut and not gone to any meetings about the failed bank, but he was completely cleared of any wrongdoing, unlike some of his other democrat associates. Certainly no one died.

                            Completely cleared?

                            While it's true, McCain only received only a mild rebuke from the Ethics Committee for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating, he was in no way, "completely cleared".

                            "No one died" Why does that sound familiar.... Oh because that's the pathetic excuse given by those in the Enron scandal...."No one died".

                            The Keating scandal cost elderly investors their life saving. The Keating scandal cost taxpayers 3.4 BILLION dollars.

                            Keating poured $112,000 into McCain's political campaigns. Keating threw fund raisers in McCain's honor. McCain in turn, made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center. 

                            So McCain gets a slap on the wrist because the little weasel leaked to the media "sensitive information" about certain closed proceedings in order to hurt DeConcini, Riegle and Cranston (Congressional investigator, Clark B. Hall, as personally concluding that "McCain was one of the principal leakers). McCain, under oath, had denied involvement with the leaks.

                            "No one died" doesn't change McCain's dishonorable actions or the people he hurt. 

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                            • Author by mary59 (August 21, 2008 7:18 pm ET)
                                 
                              Gee Pearlene, wonder why the neos don't want to reply to your posting? ;-)
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                      • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
                           
                        Dex, why waste time talking about the integrity of possible associates when McCain and his wife both have huge integrity issues? McCain was engaged in several extramarital affairs, yet the right ignores it. He and his wife are lying about their adopted child, making up stories that never happened to make it look better, not a peep from the right. Cindy had a drug problem, nothing. She claims she's an only child, you'd think the right would be up in arms on that one, but nothing. That couple has integrity issues that could make a cockroach look like a priest.
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                        • Author by mary59 (August 22, 2008 10:42 am ET)
                             
                          All those lies seem so strange...Her kicking a drug habit is actually admireable. And adopting a child is also admirable. So why do they have to lie about the circumstances??! Embellishing the adoption story is so odd.
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                  • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
                       
                    The only thing that's astounding it that people like you think thi is a big deal.  This just proves to me that McCain has nothing to offer and the righties are running scared.
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                    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
                         
                      One day I hope to read a study that shows exactly how such a radical lib mind as yours can get worked up about a real estate investor not knowing offhand how many properties he owns, but doesnt care about being friends and raising money with a guy who thinks its OK to blow people up.
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                      • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 3:38 pm ET)
                           
                        Oh, I'm not a radical lib - in fact, I'm a left-of-center moderate.  I'd be MORE interested in why someone such as yourself gets so involved in minutia like Obama's relationship with William Ayres that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with his ability to lead this nation.
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                      • Author by peebs755 (August 21, 2008 6:11 pm ET)
                           
                        Obama wasn't "friends" with Ayers. They sat on the same committee. Thats it. If you go to your child PTA meeting, and one of the parents there turns out to have done criminal deeds thirty years ago, that doesn't make you a criminal just because you went to a few meetings together.
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                  • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 3:44 pm ET)
                       
                    But why were the charges dropped?  What was the technicality to which you referred?
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                  • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                       

                    LOLOLOLOL

                    You really don't think it's a big deal? He's UNREPENTANT. If OBL quit Al Qaeda tomorrow would it be ok to be friends with him in 20 years, even if he said he regretted not blowing up more buildings?

                    Astounding.

                    Dex, Dex, Dex......

                    If you had bothered READING more about William Ayres and the Weatheremen, you would have learned that their bombings were designed to make statements are that took steps to make sure no one was harmed.  In fact, the only people ever killed by a Weathermen bomb were three of their own members who died when a bom exploded prematurely.  From Wikipedia:

                    Apart from an apparently accidental premature detonation of a bomb in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion which claimed the lives of three of their own members, no one was ever harmed in their extensive bombing campaign, as they were always careful to issue warnings in advance to ensure a safe evacuation of the area prior to detonation. Nevertheless, their activities have often been characterized as domestic terror, including a later description by the FBI.

                    Also included with the evacuation warnings issued in their communiqués were statements indicating the particular event to which they were responding. For the bombing of the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, they issued a statement saying it was "in protest of the US invasion of Laos." For the bombing of The Pentagon on May 19, 1972, they stated it was "in retaliation for the US bombing raid in Hanoi." For the January 29, 1975 bombing of the Harry S Truman Building housing the United States Department of State, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam."

                    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

                    Now - will you admit that this whole William Ayres angle is a DEAD ISSUE and let us get back to the SUBJECT AT HAND?????

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (August 21, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
                         

                      wz,

                      We don't know if some of those bombings during that time that did kill people were in fact weathermen bombings.  If I recall correctly, there was at least one in San Francisco that killed someone. 

                      I do believe Ayers and Dohrn would not be inclined to bring that up.

                      And I noticed you didn't mention the bomb that killed Ayers fiance was intended to kill soldiers and civilians while they attended a dance. 

                      the fact that Ayers wished he could have bombed more, says alot about him and Obama since Obama fostered their relationship and started his political campaign in Ayers and Dohrn's home.

                      What would you think if McCain started his political career in Timothy McVeigh's home?  Would that be a non-issue?  

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                      • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
                           

                        AA -

                        The bottom line is that regardless of what happened nearly 40 years ago, William Ayres is not planting bombs today.  When he said he regretted not doing more, he meant that in the context of wishing they could have done more to end our involvment in Vietnam sooner. 

                        I don't know how old you are, AA, but I'm 55.  I lived through the Vietnam Era, and took part in many war protests myself while I was in high school.  This is a far different country than it was in 1968, and those of us who lived through it were affected forever by our country's involvment in Vietnam.

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                      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 21, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
                           

                        Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf knew Ayers in the 1960s and re-met Ayers and Dohrn decades later. In the 1960s Wolf said he and Ayers were on opposite sides of the use of violence to effect social change. Then, Ayers thought it useful. Wolf came out of the school of nonviolence.

                        Wolf now is rabbi emeritus at KAM Isaiah Israel, coincidentally located across the street from the Obamas' Kenwood home. (The synagogue welcomes Obama's Secret Service agents inside to use the facilities.)

                        Ayers is "wonderful, compassionate, thoughtful, serious," Wolf said. I asked him to help reconcile the past and the present. "What we want is not to let bygones be bygones, but to transform ourselves into the kind of people we want to be and ought to be," Wolf said.

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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 21, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
                           

                        Yet again, AA, I must remind you that nobody, and I mean NOBODY except you and maybe Hannity, give a hoot about Ayers.  No one remembers what he did or didn't do, and nobody cares.  Got it?  Good.

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              • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
                   
                What was the technicality?
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 21, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                     
                  Prosecutorial misconduct. I don't know details; I guess that could span everything from improperly questioning someone to whipping it out and laying it on the table while in court.
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                  • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
                       
                    OK, but don't you think you should know that?  Isn't it rather important to your argument that he's an unrepentant terrorist, since he wasn't convicted?  I would be interested to know specifically why there was no conviction. The misconduct would've had to be pretty egregious to crater the prosecution of a person accused of plotting to blow up buildings.
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                • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
                     

                  Apparantly, the technicality sprung from COINTELPRO, a series of covert and a few illegal projects being run by the FBI.  From Wikipedia:

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                  COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and often illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception; however the formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971. The FBI motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order." Targets included groups suspected of being subversive, such as communist and socialist organizations; people suspected of building a "coalition of militant black nationalist groups" ranging from the Black Panther Party and Republic of New Afrika, to "those in the non-violent civil rights movement," such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE), and other civil rights groups; "White Hate Groups" including the Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party; a broad range of organizations lumped together under the title "New Left" groups, including Students for a Democratic Society, the National Lawyers Guild, the Weathermen, almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, and even individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; and nationalist groups such as those "Seeking Independence for Puerto Rico." The directives governing COINTELPRO were issued by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who ordered FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.

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                  Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

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                  • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
                       
                    Thanks, WZ.
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                    • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
                         

                      No problem.

                      I was in high school during the Vitenam War protests.  My late mother was sure that teh FBI had a file on me, too.  I'm pretty sure they don't seeing as I got a security clearance a few years ago with no difficulty.....

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 21, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
                   

                the charges were dropped on a prosecutor technicality, not because he didn't participate in the bombings. The good Mr. Ayers has since said he regretted not doing more bombings. Nice guy.

                This "prosecutor technicality" sure seems familiar......I know why, because that's exactly what Junior and the Republicans are doing now! And guess what?....They have the exact same reasons....protecting Americans.

                COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and often illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception; however the formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971.[2] The FBI motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order." Targets included groups suspected of being subversive, such as communist and socialist organizations; people suspected of building a "coalition of militant black nationalist groups" ranging from the Black Panther Party and Republic of New Afrika, to "those in the non-violent civil rights movement," such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE), and other civil rights groups; "White Hate Groups" including the Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party; a broad range of organizations lumped together under the title "New Left" groups, including Students for a Democratic Society, the National Lawyers Guild, the Weathermen, almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, and even individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; and nationalist groups such as those "Seeking Independence for Puerto Rico."[3] The directives governing COINTELPRO were issued by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who ordered FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.[4][5]

                No one excuses Ayers for what he did "in his youth" and while Obama was 8 years old, but what someone did 40 years ago should not damn that person forever!

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                • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
                     

                  Illegal surveillance in violation of the Constitution. Calling that a technicality is disingenuous at best.

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              • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
                   
                When did Ayers say he regretted not doing more bombings?
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                • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
                     
                  According to Sean Hannity some NYT article. I think he can recite the entire article verbatim without looking.
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                  • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 21, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
                       
                    OK - NYT in 2001, in an article about his memoirs.  He did say that, and some other stupid things. Thanks DW.
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                • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
                     

                  When did Ayers say he regretted not doing more bombings?

                  From Wikipedia.  After you read this, ask yourself if these sound like the words of a person who should be placed in the same category as Osame bin Laden, as Dex has attempted to do:

                  In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. Some of the resulting articles were written just before the September 11 terrorist attacks and appeared immediately after, including one often-noted article in The New York Times, and another in the Chicago Tribune. Numerous observations were made in the media comparing the statements Ayers was making about his own past just as a dramatic new terrorist incident shocked the public.

                  "We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."

                  Todd Gitlin, a former SDS member and author of "The Sixties: Years of Hope, Days of Rage," harshly criticizes Ayers and other members of Weatherman for wanting to kill, even if they didn't. Gitlin said in 2001 that the only reason no one was murdered was because the first known attempt resulted in members of the group blowing themselves up instead: "OK, let's give them a medal for not killing anybody besides themselves. But they wanted to be terrorists. They planned on being terrorists. Then their bomb blew up and killed several of them and they thought better of it. They were failed terrorists."

                  Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to the New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication. The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion." In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade." Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs. The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "

                  "I condemn all forms of terrorism--individual, group and official," Ayers wrote in a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune. He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
             
          Obama is one man. Congress is over 500 people.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 21, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
               

            And a golf course has eighteen holes.

            It's precisely as relevant as your "point."

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        • Author by hogprint (August 21, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
             

          Yeah, Barry Soetorro Obonga doesn't slurp from the trough of lobbyists?  

          Notice how he "hides" his reporting...

          Obama's lobbyist slight of hand

          More

          And we haven't even gone into the fourteen bundlers...

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    • Author by mk3872 (August 21, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
         

      thank you again, Media Matters ... I was going to send you this link from Politico today. The amateurs at Politico are making a living by buddying-up to BBQ-4-media McCain. They challenged NOTHING during his interview and put no research into the article surrounding the erroneos quoted statements from McCain.

      This was not journalism. This was McCain playing to his base: the media.

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    • Author by sambo (August 21, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
         
       Sounds like several posters on here are attempting English
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      • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 3:13 pm ET)
           
        And ailing miserably.  They mush have been home-schooled by dittoheads.....
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        • Author by hogprint (August 21, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
             

          WZ posted:

          They mush have been home-schooled by dittoheads.....

           

          You MUSH {sic} have been schooled at a left leaning public school!

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          • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 4:44 pm ET)
               

            Two things, Hogbreath:

            1 - MMFA does not have edit or spel-check capabilities.

            2 - I'm disabled, after three motor vehicle accidents left me with four herniated discs and nerve damage in both arms.  It's a miracle I can type as well as I do.....

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            • Author by hogprint (August 21, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
                 

              I'm well aware of the limitations of this forum WZ, so that's why I proof read my posts. If a nasty slips by, I'll correct it by posting a correction.  Relax man, I put an (!) to show it was tongue in cheek...I forgot libs have NO sense of humor, just ask Ens. Sanders. 

              Sorry about your accidents, but that doesn't relieve you from saying something stupid or supporting the unsupportable.

              WX underground and Dohrn's support of racist Charles Manson

              Dohrn is Ayers wife and terrorist partner in case you haven't read your own links.

               

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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 21, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
                   

                Aw, are you still mad at me, Hog? I have a pretty decent sense of humor, I was only making fun of your right wing cartoons because they're not funny. Not offensive, they don't bother me, they're just not funny to me.I like humor base in reality

                But everybody's sense of humor is different. Apparently exclamation points mean tongue-in-cheek to you.To most normal people, they convey excitement or anger.

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                • Author by hogprint (August 21, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
                     
                  OK, have it your way Ens. Sanders.  I guess I'm mush educated by dittoheads, according to WZ!  Whoops I did it again...
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              • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 5:21 pm ET)
                   
                Front Page is not a valid source of information, because it is connected to known liar David Horowitz.
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                • Author by hogprint (August 22, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                     

                  Yeah, but the article he cites was a NYTimes article.

                  "All the news fit to print"...right?  

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    • Author by mgarnett251924 (August 21, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
         

      Tomorrow is going to be fun here on MMA with you lefties trying to point out how many homes McCain has...

      You will forget Kerry's homes, Al Gore's, Carters and even my-baby-daddy Edwards...

      But i will bet money that there will be NO discussion of how BHO's step brother lives on about 1 dollar a month in a horrid hut... Where is compasionate brother BHO to give him a hand?

      Facts are facts, this poor child has been interviewed, gonna be hard to ignore that Mc Cain has an adopted child of race, but BHO will not help hiw own step brother....

      Sad

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      • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
           
        Are those people running for president? No? Then no need to discuss it. McCain can't even remember how many homes he had, and if you want to talk relations, let's discuss Cindy claiming she's an only child. She's got two sisters, one got $10,000 from daddy's demise, the other nothing and Cindy publicly denies their existance. She's juat a self centered liar and that's what you want in a first lady. Unbelievable.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 21, 2008 4:57 pm ET)
           

        You will forget Kerry's homes, Al Gore's, Carters and even my-baby-daddy Edwards...

        You're damn right I'm going to forget. THEY'RE NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!!  5 MILLION DOLLAR MCCAIN IS !!!!!!!

        But i will bet money that there will be NO discussion of how BHO's step brother lives on about 1 dollar a month in a horrid hut... Where is compasionate brother BHO to give him a hand?

        Next time, do a little research you little weasel!

        Western Kenya and Illinois share a landscape of gentle hills and an economy built on family farms. But Kenya has few roads, railways and airports and nothing like the city of Chicago. And that's just fine for Malik Obama, the older half-brother of Barack Obama, the Illinois Democrat running for U.S. Senate.

        "An African doesn't need too much to go on," he said.

        While Barack may soon be heading to Washington, Malik, a 46-year-old Kenyan, has chosen to make his life in Nyangoma-Kogelo, a village of several hundred that is the Obama ancestral home.

        Still, Malik Obama prefers the village to the fast-paced capital, Nairobi, where he grew up. He runs an electronics shop in a town a half-hour drive away, and works as a consultant in Washington for a few months each year.

        It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.

        "He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.

        Barack grew up in Hawaii with his American mother after his parents divorced. He has visited Kenya three times, most recently in the early 1990s to introduce his fiancee to his Kenyan family.

        When pressed for more details about the family, Malik said, "As far as I'm concerned, we are one family."

        Facts are facts, this poor child has been interviewed, gonna be hard to ignore that Mc Cain has an adopted child of race, but BHO will not help hiw own step brother....

        Happy days!!!! Look, look McCain adopted a "dark child". Happy days!!!!!!

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    • Author by congero6189599 (August 21, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
         
      The fact of the matter is that McCain has over 160 lobbyist working on his campaign.  This man will do and say whatever he needs to in order to get elected, country first my ass.  Here is some more "straight" talk from McSame :

      “Whenever there’s a corrupt system, then you’re going to have these birds of prey descend on it to get their share of the spoils. … Lobbyists don’t come to my office. Because they know they’re not going to be an earmark. They know they’re not going to get a pork-barrel project. […]

      “But the fact is that they are the symptom of a disease,” he continued. “As long as you have earmarking and pork-barrel spending and bridges to nowhere and money for DNA of bears in Montana and museums and all that, then you’re going to have lobbyists.”

      But the “disease” has infected McCain’s campaign. While McCain claims “there are too many lobbyists,” he has at least 159 lobbyists — on leaves of absences — running his campaign, fundraising, and shaping his policies. McCain has praised their work repeatedly, specifically their closeness to him:

      “Having worked in Washington for so long, I can claim with gratitude a good number of lobbyists as friends and supporters, many of whom supported my presidential campaign.” [Worth the Fighting For]

      Lobbying is an honorable profession. I have no problem with it. I have no problem with people working in order to bring the people’s interests and agenda and priorities to the attention of Congress. Almost all of us who I know of rely on their input on various issues. Many supply us with policy papers, with data, et cetera.” [Congressional Record, 12/16/05]

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    • Author by congero6189599 (August 21, 2008 3:26 pm ET)
         

      I'am sorry the narratives from those quotes was taken from the "Think Progress" website.

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    • Author by congero6189599 (August 21, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
         

      Here's McInsane trying to explain how many homes he has :

      Exactly how many homes does McCain own?

      Posted August 21st, 2008 at 1:45 pm

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      We know that John McCain owns so many homes, he’s lost track of the exact number. But as long as it’s the topic du jour, maybe we should go ahead and answer the question McCain is struggling with — how many homes does McCain own?

      The McCain campaign conceded that the senator owns “at least four.” The new Obama ad puts the number at “seven.” There’s one estimate that points to 10 homes, and I saw one count that pegs it at 13 properties.

      Yglesias noted, “I’ve seen a lot of liberals giving John McCain a hard time about not knowing how many homes he owns. But this is a genuinely difficult question to answer!”

      It actually is tricky. First, McCain owns a lot of homes. Second, he owns a lot of properties with multiples homes on the properties. And third, in a couple of instances, McCain has bought two homes, only to start tearing down walls to create super-duper homes. (Do we count the $700,000 condo McCain bought for his daughter as a graduation present? Decisions, decisions.)

      The estimable Jed Lewison put together a very helpful Google Earth tour that helps sort through the presumptive Republican nominee’s extensive portfolio.

       

      I’d just add that the McCain campaign’s odd “arugula”-based response chastises Obama for having made “$4 million last year.”

      Maybe the McCain gang can clarify — doesn’t that make Obama, by McCain’s standards, middle class?

      Post Script: Alas, there is no video of McCain struggling with the question, but there is an audio file. I’m expecting some clever audiophile to have a remix available in 5…4…3…

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    • Author by congero6189599 (August 21, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
         
      Sorry again that one came from :carpetbaggers.com
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 21, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
         

      This seems like a good time for 8 Homes to weigh in...

      I am delighted that Barack Obama has immediately released a commercial which reminds voters of Sen. George McCain's home ownership orgy.

      Too bad he didn't also mention Sen. George McCain's $500 shoes.  Also, when asked by Rev. Warren how much does one need to make to be rich, Sen. George McCain said $5 million.

      So, I guess $2 million is middle class in the elite world of George McCain?  Ordinary Amercans are just pawns in the elitist world of Sen. George McCain.

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    • Author by robotchubby (August 21, 2008 6:09 pm ET)
         

      McCain's claim he doesn't bend to lobbyists sounds like a typical President* Bush Administration dodge.  If you don't call it what it is, it isn't.

      "We don't view it as torture so it isn't torture."

      "We don't see if as a government bailout, so it isn't a government bailout."

      "We don't see it as a timetable for withdraw, so it isn't a timetable for withdraw."

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