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Cavuto hosted "anti-feminist attorney" Den Hollander, who advocated "cut[ting] out the feminazi, feminist women's studies programs" at Columbia

August 21, 2008 5:36 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Fox News' Neil Cavuto interviewed "anti-feminist attorney" Roy Den Hollander, who discussed his lawsuit against Columbia University for offering a women's studies program "but not a men's studies program." Den Hollander said: "[C]ut out the feminazi, feminist women's studies programs and bring back varsity sports, and you're going to do a lot better for the university." Den Hollander later said that women "are a suspect class. Every time they open their mouths, I begin to suspect something."

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On the August 20 edition of Fox News' Your World, host Neil Cavuto interviewed "anti-feminist attorney" Roy Den Hollander, who discussed his lawsuit against Columbia University for offering a women's studies program "but not a men's studies program." During the segment, after referring to the previous segment's guest, Fox Business Network host Dave Ramsey, who discussed the high costs of today's colleges and universities, Den Hollander said: "[C]ut out the feminazi, feminist women's studies programs and bring back varsity sports, and you're going to do a lot better for the university." Den Hollander also stated, "If a guy takes a women's studies course, what's going to happen to him? The girls in the class are basically going to walk all over them in their stiletto heels, which may not be too bad," and later said that women "are a suspect class. Every time they open their mouths, I begin to suspect something." As Media Matters for America has documented, Den Hollander is only the latest guest to make overtly sexist comments on Cavuto's program.

Indeed, on the April 10 edition of Your World, Cavuto and Marc Rudov, radio host and author of The Man's No-Nonsense Guide to Women: How to Succeed in Romance on Planet Earth (MHR Enterprises, 2004) and Under the Clitoral Hood: How to Crank Her Engine Without Cash, Booze, or Jumper Cables (MHR Enterprises, 2007), discussed comments by Sir Elton John at an April 9 fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Clinton during which John stated that he was "amazed by the misogynistic attitudes of some of the people in this country." Rudov stated, "Hillary Clinton, who's living by the gender sword, is going to be dying by the gender sword. She sends in Elton John to do her hissing when she's having a catfight with America." Rudov further stated, "This is a gynocracy. ... The reason that Hillary is losing is because people don't like her. That's all it is." Fox News legal analyst and University of Washington associate professor of law Lis Wiehl responded: "It's the old thing, Marc, of if a woman is aggressive, then she's, again, the B-word. If a man is aggressive, he's just assertive and claiming his own." Rudov later said: "The woman is not called a B-word because she's assertive and aggressive; she's called a B-word because she acts like one."

On his website, Den Hollander explains that the purpose of his lawsuit against Columbia University is "to find the Columbia University Women's Studies program unconstitutional for using government aid to preach the religious belief system 'Feminism' and for discriminating against men." Also on his website, Den Hollander describes the Violence Against Women Act as the "Female Fraud Act."

From the August 20 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:

CAVUTO: All right, so are women's studies courses spreading prejudice and bigotry toward men? Well, my next guest thinks so -- so much so that he is suing Columbia University. He's anti-feminist attorney Roy Den Hollander. Why Columbia?

DEN HOLLANDER: 'Cause I went there. I graduated there, and so that gives me standing. But going back to what your past guest said, cut out the feminazi, feminist women's studies programs and bring back varsity sports, and you're going to do a lot better for the university.

CAVUTO: But what is Columbia doing that ticks you off?

DEN HOLLANDER: Well, what Columbia is doing is it's presenting a women's studies program but not a men's studies program. So what the complaint charges is that women's studies is really -- which teaches feminism, they state that they're teaching feminism -- and so the teaching of feminism -- I'm arguing that feminism is a religion. Now, religion doesn't require a god.

CAVUTO: And what have they told you? Where is this going?

DEN HOLLANDER: Well, it hasn't -- it just started. I just filed the case, so --

CAVUTO: You want to cancel that course?

DEN HOLLANDER: Well, it's appropriate --

CAVUTO: What if there's a sort of 'men-ism' course? You be OK with it?

DEN HOLLANDER: No, it's a program. It's not just courses, you understand, it's a program --

CAVUTO: Oh, it's part of a whole mindset --

DEN HOLLANDER: It's a network situation. It's a way for girls to acquire jobs, it's a training [unintelligible] --

CAVUTO: We should say we tried to get a statement from Columbia on this, and we couldn't get one from them. But your point is that it's showing an inherent kind of a bias.

DEN HOLLANDER: A definite bias. Because girls can benefit from women's studies, but guys aren't going to benefit. If a guy takes a women's studies course, what's going to happen to him? The girls in the class are gonna basically walk all over him in their stiletto heels, which may not be too bad --

CAVUTO: Stop, stop, stop. All right, so you're saying that it's unfair for women who, you know, for years and even up to now, have not earned as much or gotten ahead as much, to get a little bit more exposure in school, that's too bad?

DEN HOLLANDER: That's not -- no, that's not -- what you're talking about is affirmative action. And what legally, that says that girls are a suspect class. And yes, they are a suspect class. Every time they open their mouths, I begin to suspect something. The point is --

CAVUTO: You have issues, don't you?

DEN HOLLANDER: No, the point is, if you look at equal pay per unit of time, or equal pay, or pay per unit of risk, girls are making more than guys.

CAVUTO: Are they really?

DEN HOLLANDER: Girls control nearly 60 percent of the wealth in this country. And if you want to look at the real oppressors, you look at who lives longer, who -- on whom most of the health dollars are spent --

CAVUTO: Roy, you're angry. You're very angry.

DEN HOLLANDER: -- and who eats more. Oh, absolutely. But only against the feminists.

CAVUTO: All right. And Columbia. All right, Roy, thank you. I want to keep track of this, my friend. Thank you very much.

DEN HOLLANDER: I'll keep you up to date. Thank you.

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    • Author by wzwriter (August 21, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
         
      Faux News has officially reached the bottom of the barell.
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      • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 5:45 pm ET)
           
        because someone who is not employed by Fox News was on the air giving his own personal opinion?  Wow, what has this world come to.
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        • Author by leftinmississippi (August 21, 2008 5:53 pm ET)
             
          Because they aired such an asinine segment.  Par for the course really - just more pandering to the angry white men who are the majority of their viewers. 
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          • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
               
            They also allow people such as Code Pink to give their views too.  I would consider that asinine...but their idiocy speaks for itself on air.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:09 pm ET)
                 

              "cut his mike!"

              All you need to know about fox and "fair and balanced".

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              • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
                   
                I wish they didn't cut the mic - especially on Jackson.
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                • Author by worrierking (August 21, 2008 7:27 pm ET)
                     
                  One again, you've got everything back asswards.

                  No one cut off Jackson's mike. If they had cut it like you wish they had, you bedwetters wouldn't have been able to hear Jackson's "nuts" comment.
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                  • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
                       
                    I'm referring to them not actually making public the rest of his comments.
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                    • Author by worrierking (August 21, 2008 7:41 pm ET)
                         
                      Then your statement had nothing to do with Fox turning off his mic but with Fox holding out on you, correct?
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            • Author by robotchubby (August 21, 2008 6:51 pm ET)
                 

              Funny.  I was thinking the same thing about this guy. 

               He is absolutely threatened by women, to the point of continuously calling them "girls," which in his mind gives him power because he's a man (supposedly).

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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 22, 2008 7:51 am ET)
                   
                Looks like they found a replacement for that neanderthal Marc Rudov!
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        • Author by susangee (August 23, 2008 5:59 am ET)
             
          This guy is an infamous misogynist and is viewed as a real clown. He sued several bars in New York a few years ago for hosting "Ladies' Nights". He is not really an authority on anything -- just a very strange character with a personal agenda -- he hates women,
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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 5:45 pm ET)
         

      DEN HOLLANDER: 'Cause I went there. I graduated there, and so that gives me standing. But going back to what your past guest said, cut out the feminazi, feminist women's studies programs and bring back varsity sports, and you're going to do a lot better for the university.

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/teams/colum/

       

      They do have varsity sports (which refutes his point), but man are they pitiful... But FWIR, athletic success coupled with academic success can bring a lot more students to a school.

       

      Also, isn't "feminazi" Limbaugh's term? I thought they were all very territorial of their labels here...

       

      CAVUTO: But what is Columbia doing that ticks you off?

      DEN HOLLANDER: Well, what Columbia is doing is it's presenting a women's studies program but not a men's studies program. So what the complaint charges is that women's studies is really -- which teaches feminism, they state that they're teaching feminism -- and so the teaching of feminism -- I'm arguing that feminism is a religion. Now, religion doesn't require a god.

       

      OK, I can go for the whole "men's studies" to complement the "women's studies", but for the rest of his statement... I don't know, it reads American English but for some reason it requires translation beyond my means...

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      • Author by Governor (August 21, 2008 6:11 pm ET)
           

        I think the guy slipped when he said "feminazi" on Fox News.  As you can see from his MySpace page (yes, he's a lawyer so of course that means he has a 12-year-old's weblife), he does not seem to have the guts to use Rush's cock-and-ballbag pejorative:

        http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=93824748

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 21, 2008 6:25 pm ET)
           

        Well, what Columbia is doing is it's presenting a women's studies program but not a men's studies program.

        Everything else is men's studies. 

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        • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 6:29 pm ET)
             
          That's quite a slap at women.  I believe they do just fine in those other courses not named after their gender. 
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          • Author by Disputed Zone (August 21, 2008 7:48 pm ET)
               

            That's not what Carlile said. Of course they do well. I bet you would do well in a women's studies program, too.

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            • Author by semiarid (August 21, 2008 9:59 pm ET)
                 
              Well, go for it. Except ... no stiletto heels, Tommy.
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            • Author by deeznuts (August 21, 2008 11:04 pm ET)
                 

              I took a women's studies course in undergrad just to see what the fuss was about.

              1. I wasn't the only guy in the class.

              2. There was absolutely no man-hate that I could detect.

              3. The only thing I specifically remember was reading a lot of Maya Angelou, which I frankly found a little dull after the 2nd or 3rd poem.

              We also talked about Helen Thomas for an entire class period. The consensus was: "Helen Thomas rocks."

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    • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 5:48 pm ET)
         

      Now I am all for cutting waste on any government funded silliness, and a women's studies course may or may not fall into that category, I have no idea......but a lawsuit?  We are clogging up our courts so some loopy anti-feminist can get a booking on Fox News, or puff his chest out over this nonsense?

      Ridiculous. 

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 21, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
           
        I took women's studies several times.
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        • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 5:53 pm ET)
             
          Or you've been studying women for years.
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        • Author by jeter2 (August 21, 2008 5:53 pm ET)
             
          I study women, mostly at the mall...does that count?
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          • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 5:56 pm ET)
               
            If you're in the food court, yes, it counts.  If you're hiding under the department store lingerie counter, no, it doesn't.  :)
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 21, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
                 
              OK, then I take my post back.
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              • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 6:00 pm ET)
                   
                HA!  Good one Col.  (hint; bring a feather duster and look busy next time, works........I mean, ahh, I heard it works)
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            • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
                 
              Does it count if you're on the 2nd floor of the mall looking over the railing?
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            • Author by jeter2 (August 21, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
                 

              If you're in the food court, yes, it counts.  If you're hiding under the department store lingerie counter, no, it doesn't.  :)

              Hehehe...only at Victoria Secrets ;-)

              I also study them at the beach.

              In fact I study them nearly everywhere...

              Guess that means I've earned a Masters Degree in Feminist Women Studies :-)

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              • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
                   

                And those must be the women Hollander was referring to:

                 

                DEN HOLLANDER: No, the point is, if you look at equal pay per unit of time, or equal pay, or pay per unit of risk, girls are making more than guys. 

                 

                *wink wink*

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        • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
             
          Couldnt pass the class the first time?
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        • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
             
          Couldnt pass the class the first time?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 21, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
           

        Now I am all for cutting waste on any government funded silliness, and a women's studies course may or may not fall into that category, I have no idea.

        No you don't. Columbia is a private school. 

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        • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
             
          They are not completely private. You have no idea what you're talking about.  Are you saying they receive no state funding of any kind?  Because you would be mistaken.
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          • Author by wzwriter (August 22, 2008 11:11 am ET)
               
            True, Columbia University may be receiving some taxpayer support, Tommy.  But the level of taxpayer support for Columbia is far lower than for, say, NYU.
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      • Author by doggone-ga (August 21, 2008 6:27 pm ET)
           

        "Ridiculous."

        It's just his opinion, isn't he?  He's entitled to say what he thinks, after all.  Why get all riled up about someone's opinion?  Just ignore it and he'll go away.

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        • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 6:31 pm ET)
             
          Your cute little provocations don't impress, about as much as your opinions, so you're batting 1000.
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          • Author by doggone-ga (August 21, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
               
            It's just my opinion.  Ignore it.  But I won't go away.  Why get so riled up about it?  I'm entitled to my opinion.
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            • Author by tommy (August 21, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
                 
              Just for the record, I normally do ignore your opinions.  I am just waiting for my bread to toast this time.  But you are entitled to them, absolutely.  Good enough?
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              • Author by doggone-ga (August 21, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
                   
                why get so riled up about it?  If you're ignoring them why do you reply to them?
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (August 21, 2008 6:52 pm ET)
           

        Hi Tommy,

        Correct me if I'm wrong, but Columbia is a private school, no?  This would probably tell us that the public isn't paying for it.  As an aside, is he serious about his point about Columbia being able to ADD revenue by adding sports?   Columbia already has football and basketball, are the minor sports bigger $$ generators at Ivy League schools?

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 21, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
         

      I googled this guy and found this

      http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article4568104.ece

      Roger Ailes is promoting this stuff ???

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      • Author by Disputed Zone (August 21, 2008 7:34 pm ET)
           

        Thanks for the link, Wolf. This guy is quite a character.

        And he's not too bright, suing nightclubs for having Ladies' Nights and then complaining that it's hard to get "pretty young ladies" and "girls who are in their athletic prime" to have casual sex with him.

        No wonder his ex-wife chose her career (she's a stripper) over him.

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    • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:12 pm ET)
         
      So I guess when McCain says the republicans are the party of diversity, they are referring to political white group affiliations and not sex, race or religion?
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
           
        How many are there?
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        • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:22 pm ET)
             

          Let's see, the KKK, stormfront, white supremicists, Hagee's church, Robert's church, ...

          Man, that was just off the top o me head.

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      • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
           
        So republicans are not diverse because they aren't affiliated with feminazi's, gay pride groups, and muslims?
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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 21, 2008 6:28 pm ET)
             
          What about Republicans who choose to be gay? What about Muslims who are registered Republicans? What would you say about them?
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          • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
               
            Think of it as being like the born again groups counting catholics into their yearly tally to say there are more christians than muslims before they go back to bashing them for being a different kind of christian.
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          • Author by Science101 (August 21, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
               
            I'd say welcome.  But they are few and far between.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 21, 2008 6:59 pm ET)
                 
              My point exactly. Republicans should just hang a "not welcome" sign at the door...
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          • Author by deeznuts (August 21, 2008 11:08 pm ET)
               

            1. There is no such thing as "feminazis."

            2. No one chooses to be gay.

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 22, 2008 6:11 am ET)
               

            What about Republicans who choose to be gay? What about Muslims who are registered Republicans? What would you say about them?

            Wuss, did you think no one would notice your "choose to be gay" line?

             

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    • Author by robotchubby (August 21, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
         

      "...and bring back varsity sports, and you're going to do a lot better for the university."

      Aren't varsity sports the only college programs that actually receive adequate funding?  What a moron!

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      • Author by mary59 (August 21, 2008 10:54 pm ET)
           
        He's missing all the sports the ladies have taken away, like underwater soccer and badmitten.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (August 21, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
         
      This is one of those times I completely agree with the antagonist (Hollander). I can see an African-American studies, a Latino Culture studies or even a "Woman in History" course; however, just a "Feminist Studies" class seems to be a wasteful endeavor that would provoke hostility among male students.
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      • Author by doggone-ga (August 21, 2008 6:51 pm ET)
           

        "just a "Feminist Studies" class seems to be a wasteful endeavor that would provoke hostility among male students."

        Sound like the best reason to keep having the studies to me.

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        • Author by zamfir273114 (August 21, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
             
          Why? You like provoking hostility on campus? You want race wars too?
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          • Author by doggone-ga (August 21, 2008 7:23 pm ET)
               
            One thing it accomplishes is to separate those who think with their brains and those who only respond to their hormones.  You get to uess which ones would be hostile.
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (August 21, 2008 6:56 pm ET)
           

        Zam,

        I thought the course he was mad at was just the "Women's Studies" course.  I think Hollander added the "feminist" adjective to demonize the program a bit more.  I don't think there is a "Feminist Women's Studies" program.

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    • Author by mary59 (August 21, 2008 8:08 pm ET)
         

      Den Hollander might be satisfied if Columbia offered this course for their Women's Studies Program (thanks Neon)

      "Stitchin' Heaven Charm School Stitchin' Heaven Charm SchoolLadies! We must be on our best behavior at all times. As quilters, we should be "charming" and sophisticated. No, wait! Just kidding, gals! It's not really that kind of charm school. Our classes will help you with those two intoxicating little cravings that we love to spoil ourselves with ... 5" square Charm Packs, and jewelry! Stitchin' Heaven's Charm School is here to help you indulge yourself. There will be no tests and no pop quizzes, just fun! Visit our Stitchin' Heaven Charm School page where you will find the full details of the program, and get a sneak peek of the upcoming project."

      http://www.stitchinheaven.com/images/CharmSchoolFinal.jpg

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    • Author by blueblood (August 21, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
         

      Conservatives are not in favor of academic freedom- they just want to end areas of study that undermine their fictitious portrayal of America and its history.

      What the hell would a men's studies program be? The same reason why their is no White Studies class, because the dominant demographic can be studied by examining its its aspects in general overview classes.

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    • Author by blueblood (August 21, 2008 8:53 pm ET)
         

      Anti-feminist= get women back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant

      Anti-abortion=anti-feminist

      Conservatives loathe female participation in mainstream culture because it is an affront to the old days when rich white men controlled the country. Conservatism is anti-woman and anti-minority at its core.

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    • Author by seraphim (August 21, 2008 11:55 pm ET)
         
      I was in five women's studies courses in college, and in all of those classes there were at least a couple guys, if not more. None of them were ever treated badly, in fact at the end of a couple of my women's studies classes some of the guys stood up and said how surprised they were that they weren't made to feel out of place or belittled in any way. I don't understand why they were surprised at all. I once read an article by a man who identified as a feminist. He talked about how he went to a conference to hear feminist women speak, and he expected to be lauded as a hero among men for attending a feminist event. While there, he didn't receive any special attention from the women, negative or positive. He found himself disappointed in a weird way. I think this it is typical that some men, even good and generally enlightened men, don't realize that doing something as "daring" joining a women's studies course or sitting in a room full of feminists doesn't either impress or anger women, especially not to the point of stabbing a man with one's stilettos. When I was in school I couldn't have cared less if men joined my classes. I was there to learn, and if they were too, good for them.
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    • Author by lindenbully (August 22, 2008 12:23 am ET)
         
      Suggested classes for Hollander's Men's Studies?

      A History of NASCAR

      Basic Urinal Etiquette

      Your Prostate and You

      Beer Gut Mitigation
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 22, 2008 1:14 am ET)
           
        Is there room for Compensation 101:Little Unit, Big Mouth?
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        • Author by lindenbully (August 22, 2008 1:45 am ET)
             
          AKA The Little Ivory Tower that Couldn't?

          as taught by Adjunct Professor Hollander...
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    • Author by Lorelei (August 22, 2008 1:06 pm ET)
         

      I wonder if this guy has any daughters.   I wonder what he thinks of his mother.  

      I wonder what his mother thinks of him.

      I wonder why Faux News continues to show contempt and hate for women. 

       

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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (August 22, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
         

      I went to college in the 70s.  I was a literature major. In four years they taught ONE woman, Emily Dickinsen.  That's why Women's Studies evolved - I finally read the Brontes in a women's studies class.  But I suppose that' a waste of money, eh?   Whoever wrote here "the rest IS men's studies" got it right. People need to know the history of this.   Now it may be that all these studies will one day be redundant, but this guy's argument seems really dated and, frankly, kind of like a hysterical closeted man.  I think Fox is really losing it hear. Its so Jerry Springer.   

       

       

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    • Author by kaver (August 22, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
         
      Roy Den Hollander was on the opie and anthony show the other day and they tore him apart. what a phoney he is. To sum it all up, roy acts like he does because he has a hard time picking up chicks. Plus a man his age taking a hip hop class to meet "girls" is creepy.
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