Hannity paraphrased passage from Corsi's book that gets Obama's speech on abortion bill wrong

SUMMARY: Sean Hannity paraphrased a passage from Jerome Corsi's discredited book The Obama Nation that misrepresents a March 2001 speech Sen. Barack Obama gave in the Illinois state Senate opposing a bill amending the Illinois Abortion Law of 1975. Corsi claimed Obama said that if the bill passed, and "a nine-month-old fetus" that survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was defined as "a person who had a right to live," that it would essentially "forbid abortions to take place." In fact, Obama was not referring to "a nine-month-old fetus"; he was specifically talking about a "previable fetus."
On the August 15 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Sean Hannity paraphrased a passage from Jerome Corsi's debunked and discredited book The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality (Threshold Editions, August 2008) that misrepresents a March 2001 speech Sen. Barack Obama gave in the Illinois state Senate opposing a bill amending the Illinois Abortion Law of 1975. In the passage, Corsi claims Obama said that if the bill passed, and "a nine-month-old fetus" that survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was defined as "a person who had a right to live," that it would essentially "forbid abortions to take place." But the book misstates Obama's argument; Obama was not referring to "a nine-month-old fetus"; he was specifically talking about a "previable fetus."
On August 15, Hannity paraphrased Corsi's claim, telling his guest, anti-abortion activist and WorldNetDaily columnist Jill Stanek, that Obama "said that if the bill passed and a nine-month-old fetus survived this late-term abortion and was deemed to be a person who had a right to live and a right to medical care that the law would forbid abortions to take place, which is just, you know, medically false." Here is the passage from Corsi's book that Hannity was paraphrasing:
On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survive late-term labor-induced abortions. A transcript of the Illinois Senate Session has been archived on the Internet, complete with Obama's comments as he made them that day on the Senate floor. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." [p. 238]
But according to a transcript archived on the Illinois General Assembly website, Obama specifically addressed the status of "a previable fetus," not a "nine-month-old fetus":
"And there was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional." [Emphasis added]
From the August 15 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:
STANEK: And he brags on his website that he strategized with Planned Parenthood to vote present on the Senate floor, which was the same as a no vote, in order to lure Democrats who might have been squeamy about voting against a bill opposing infanticide and lure them to vote present so they would overcome the bill that way. He's -- it's on his website.
HANNITY: Well, Corsi actually chronicled in his book that a transcript of the Illinois Senate session had been archived on the Internet, complete with Obama's comments that he made that day on the Senate floor. And he was the only senator who rose to speak against this bill that would have protected these babies who, in fact, survive these late-term labor-induced abortions.
And he said that if the bill passed and a 9-month-old fetus survived this late-term abortion and was deemed to be a person who had a right to live and a right to medical care, that the law would forbid abortions to take place, which is just, you know, medically false.
STANEK: Yes, that's exactly what he said. I'm reading the testimony along with you. And he said on the Senate floor that he thought that this -- and this is a constitutional scholar, you know, by the way, that he calls himself. He said that he thought that this bill was going to be found unconstitutional. And he went on in 2002 to do the same thing, voted against it in committee. This time, he voted against it on the Senate floor, was the sole person to speak against it on the Senate floor again, ever.














Who's the core of the blame - Hannity or Corsi?
(I'll stay out of the main topic - you all know where I stand. Maybe Science101'll debate you people about that)
In this particular instance, I would actually argue that Jill Stanek ought to be criticized for falsely confirming that Hannity's account of Obama's comments were "exactly what he said" because she was "reading the text along with you." Stanek either wasn't reading along with Hannity or doesn't understand the distinction between Hannity's account of Obama's argument and what Obama actually argued.
Maybe Science101'll debate you people about that
Nope, no debating here. I don't debate that topic with people who cry for empathy of fellow man, while supporting the right to abort and not give human rights to the fetus.
Nope, no debating here. I don't debate...
If you stopped right there that would have been your first true statement!
When we finally win this legal battle to give fetuses rights and legal protection, though, we'll have a few decisions to make. Should pregnant women who miscarry be investigated for murder or manslaughter? Should older women who become pregnant be charged with child endangerment?
Frankly, I'm of the position that implantation failure should be considered a case of suicide by the blastocyst, but I could understand if you don't agree. Either way, the woman should definitely be the subject of a criminal investigation just to rule out the possibility of foul play.
Speaking of misconception, though... If you want to talk about charging males who use contraception with murder because they have deprived the unconceived of their right to life, well, then I'm listening. If the previable unborn have human rights, I see no reason to deprive the unconceived of rights either.
Right, but the father is just as responsible for determining his daughter's sex because the contribution of his X chromosome is no less decisive than the contribution of his Y chromosome to his son.
But this is really of no concern to the important work lying ahead of us of investigating, arresting, and hopefully incarcerating women who fail to bring their fetuses to term. Please stop trying to distract us from the real issues here.
You do raise a perfectly valid point about prison overcrowding, though. Upon reflection, I submit that we simply can't allow for the possibility that a woman might destroy the life of her fetus through acts of negligence or malice. Upon discovering that a woman is pregnant, we should move her to a hospital where she should remain unconscious for 9 months, be fed intravenously, and have her pregnancy monitored and managed carefully by a team of physicians to ensure that the baby she carries is not harmed. The fetus has rights, after all.
Your question about blastocyst passports is indeed vexing, not just because of legal considerations, but because obtaining passport photos would be exceedingly difficult. But foresight is important, and perhaps we should now be investing in biotech research for the development of nanopassports that the blastocyst could carry and show to security officers at the airport.
Clearly this project is going to require a lot of money, energy, new laws, and massive societal change in how we think of life, citizenship and personhood. I'm starting to question whether or not I can square my pro-pre-conceived-life values with my commitment to a political philosophy that valorizes limited government. Hopefully I'll be able to reconcile this philosophical conflict the same way I reconciled my fiscal conservatism with my decision to support a costly preemptive war and an indefinite military campaign.
Speaking of misconception, though... If you want to talk about charging males who use contraception with murder because they have deprived the unconceived of their right to life, well, then I'm listening. If the previable unborn have human rights, I see no reason to deprive the unconceived of rights either.
Hear, hear...I've already given names to all of my sperm. (Bobby's my favorite.) I look at each one like a little POW, aching for freedom...so that they can grow up one day, cheat on their wives, marry rich young babes, run for president...and have so many damn houses they can't even count them.
I think l speak for everyone when l say........................
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When Barack Obama said, "I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message."
I don't think Hannity's distorted that statement.
When the Speaker was Newt Gingrich.
I agree with you there.
Imagine that - Hannity tried a lie about Obama's position and twisted his statement, courtesy of a lie that Corsi promulgated.
Imagine that, Tommy. There was a distortion of a fact concerning abortion by a rightie, and a repitition of that fact by another rightie. It wasn't a discussion of the moral or ethical issues surrounding abortion, discussions that would include opinions. It was a lie about Obama, to make him look worse than he really is, and that lie forwards the conservative agenda.
Under Illinois law...killing a previable fetus is murder...unless it's killed by an abortion doctor.
Obama's position is easy to understand...he's pro-abortion. That's one reason why I won't vote for him. However, Hannity, continues to demonstrate why he is untrustworthy as a source of information...as detailed here by mmfa.
But be of good cheer, liberals. His audience consists almost solely of republicans who will never vote for Obama and just want their daily dose of raw meat...and masochistic democrats watching for their daily dose of outrage.
His untruthfulness, in the end, will not sway many voters because most members of his audience have already made up their minds.
Obama's position is easy to understand...he's pro-abortion.
Wes, it can't be too easy cause you got it wrong! Obama's PRO-CHOICE!
Pearlene, I usually don't get involved in the long threads here but since we seem to be the only ones here, I must admit that trying to convince some of these people that Obama is Pro-Choice is way beyond them.
But Pro-Choice discussions won't appear for a while...AP has informed the world that Biden is the VP. So the hate-mongers will be on the Biden hunt. Wussie will undoubtedly be waiting for an article of misinformation to appear and pounce on Sen. Biden. Wonder when the first anti-Biden ad will appear? But who knows John McCain as well as Sen. Biden. Should be interesting.
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Cavuto had the poli-sci prof. from Viriginia (Sabado sp?) on this morning. They had a live shot of Biden's house before cutting to the prof. Cavuto's first question was not about Biden, but about the size of his house. What a tool!
POW (I love using that!), McCain already has an ad out.
pearl,
Call it whatever you want...it doesn't change the fact that Obama supports an agenda of almost unlimited abortions...hidden deftly under the guise of the "mother's health".
I don't support a total ban of abortions. There are many cases where it is a viable medical procedure...but I disagree with Obama...the right of a mother to "control her own body" is not limitless.
Well, there would be a large difference. Mostly in defining the "health of the mother".
His definition would include virtually everything as justification for an abortion...including things like depression or anxiety. I don't.
Well, there would be a large difference. Mostly in defining the "health of the mother".
I see. Your definition would be like "torture." The health of the mother is not threatened unless there is organ failure
"Physical pain amounting to a threat to the health of the mother must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death. For purely mental pain or suffering to amount to a threat to the health of the mother (under U.S. law), it must result in significant psychological harm of significant duration, e.g., lasting for months or even years. . . . We conclude that the statute, taken as a whole, makes plain that it prohibits only extreme acts.''
Your name isn't John Wesley Yoo by any chance, is it?
Call it whatever you want...it doesn't change the fact that Obama supports an agenda of almost unlimited abortions...hidden deftly under the guise of the "mother's health".
I find a lot of folks on the pro-life side seem to enjoy painting a picture of women having unlimited. unprotected sex and then 4 weeks later scheduling a abortion, after they get their hair and nails done. THAT is why it's hard to take the pro-life side seriously. It is a gut wrenching decision to terminate a pregnancy, filled with self doubt before and after. There is continued anguish long after the abortion even when women know deep down in their hearts it was the right decision.
I can't think of any right more important than the right to make your own r health decisions, mental and physical. Who is a better person to decide what's best for you? I have the right to decide if I want 44DDD breasts but I don't have the right to decide a life altering decision? I have the right to decide whether I want a life saving heart transplant but I don't have the right to decide if I want to make a lifelong commitment to raise another person? THAT doesn't make sense.
I don't support a total ban of abortions. There are many cases where it is a viable medical procedure...but I disagree with Obama...the right of a mother to "control her own body" is not limitless.
If you start with the premise that women are scheduling abortions in between hair appointments, then I can understand why you'd feel the way you do. I on the other hand understand through first hand experience (my daughter) how very very difficult making a decision to terminate a pregnancy is. I understand that no one can ever make that decision for you, therefore no one can force you to make another decision like having a child.
And by the way, pro-life folks use that term to strengthen their position and call pro-choice folks pro-abortion to weaken our position, so it's make a BIG difference to me what you call me. I am PRO-CHOICE, NOT pro-abortion.
Does that mean the Hannitization of Amercia has run out of zombies? Why can't I join..I am the POW.
I recently met a two former Hannity listens/viewers who said they were tired of his "obsession", thier words not mine, with Sen. Obama. What really bothered them, a fine Christian couple, was Seannies' constant referral to Obama as the Messiah, the Chosen One, etc. They felt that Seannie was using thier religious beliefs as a weapon against the guy. And this is one of the reasons that the Con Talkies are helping the real cause of the Democratic Party. But Seaniie the Sissy is getting rich because of his zombies and Obama Bless him, he is doing well for a man with no talent.
Sissy-boy Hannity is already on the job, going back to Biden's support for the war and kind words about grampy McSame as flip=flop fodder. Nothing like learning stuff and evolving to get on the bad side of wingnuts.
Big fat kudos, to Vysotsky and the others for the satire of the "pro-life" Crusaders.None of them will understand it, but that doesn't mean it was wasted.
I'm getting on board with sperm and ovaries being granted full human rights.Now all I need to decide is what qualifies as Weapons of Mass destruction. The pill? The Sponge? My right hand? Mr. Monthly Visitor (Code name "Bill")? Catholic girls mouths? All of the above?
I think I see where you're going, DJasper. We need to have our top scientists isolate the soul.That's the one nit-picky detail the baby-killing fanatics have on us.Once we have a "blueprint" of the soul, the case will be closed.
And if the "scientists" can't handle the job, we should be able to back into a diagram through the data provided by the Bible.
A very sunburned guy with a tail who looks a lot like Dick Cheney bought my soul for $19.99 and a six pack of Bud.
Anyone who served in the military during the Vietnam War,
and who probably had to endure such spiteful chiding by civilians on their return home, should have some sensitivity no room in their intellect and heart for this kind of smear.
I wonder how McCain feels, or would feel, about being called a baby-killer.
If McCain does not condemn this kind of speech by Hannity then McCain has a shameful character flaw.