Media continue to repeat plagiarism accusation without noting that Biden had previously credited Kinnock
SUMMARY: Media outlets continue to report that Sen. Joe Biden was accused in 1987 of plagiarizing then-British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock without noting that while Biden did paraphrase from a Kinnock speech without attribution on at least two occasions in August 1987, he had reportedly credited Kinnock when previously using the same language.
Media outlets continue to report that Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) was accused in 1987 of plagiarizing then-British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock without noting that while Biden did paraphrase from a Kinnock speech without attribution on at least two occasions in August 1987, he had reportedly credited Kinnock when previously using the same language.
For instance, in an August 24 article, Washington Post staff writer Anne E. Kornblut reported that Sen. Barack Obama's selection of Biden as his vice-presidential running mate "does not come without risks. Accusations that he plagiarized then-British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock helped sink his presidential campaign in 1987." On its August 24 op-ed page, the Post also published an assessment of Biden by Rutgers University professor David Greenberg in which Greenberg stated of the Kinnock incident, "Biden stole autobiographical material, in effect making false claims about his own life." Biden did not attribute portions of a Kinnock speech that he paraphrased during an August 23, 1987, Democratic presidential primary debate, and during an August 26, 1987, interview for the National Education Association. But the Post itself reported in a September 13, 1987, article that "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks." Specifically, the Post reported that "John Quinlan, a reporter for the Sioux City Journal, said his notes showed Biden said he was quoting Kinnock when he used the same passage in a speech Aug. 14. Stories in The [New York] Times, The Boston Globe and other newspapers also said Biden had used the rhetoric and credited Kinnock for it."
In addition to Kornblut's Post article, the following articles and editorial noted that Biden was accused of plagiarizing Kinnock without noting that Biden had credited him previously:
- An August 24 Dallas Morning News article compiled by John Riley from wire and Internet reports
- An August 24 Des Moines Register article by Thomas Beaumont
- An August 23 Chicago Tribune editorial
- An August 23 McClatchy Newspapers article by David Lightman and Margaret Talev
- An August 23 article on National Public Radio's website by correspondent Jennifer Ludden
By contrast, a separate August 24 Washington Post article by staff writers Eli Saslow and Amy Goldstein stated that "The New York Times reported that during a debate, Biden had plagiarized a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. Biden had used Kinnock's words in speeches before, always crediting him, but this time he didn't." Similarly, in an August 24 Chicago Tribune article, correspondents Mike Dorning and James Oliphant wrote that Biden's "campaign imploded after he quoted from a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock without crediting him, leading to charges of plagiarism (even though he had credited Kinnock in other speeches)."
As Media Matters for America has documented, the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, and the Associated Press also reported on the Kinnock allegations without noting that Biden had previously credited Kinnock, according to reports at the time.















My what a puny story. This shows the trivia that gets blown into a something...meanwhile, what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq? Gee, the press doesn't know, they closed all their foreign bureaus. How much are these invasions costing the U.S. taxpayer??? H*ll, we don't know, that takes too much time to figure out.
Go get 'em Joe...
The other big wingnut issue is Obama's fake birth cirtificate. I heard I guy (cant remember the name) who gets an hour every weekend on the air who is up in arms over this native born citizen issue.
Imagine, we will pick our president based on a 20 year old plagarism charge and a supposed phony birth certificate!
I heard I guy (cant remember the name) who gets an hour every weekend on the air who is up in arms over this native born citizen issue.
The guy doesn't say anything about McCain being born outside of the U.S.?
Hey, Mary. It is a puny story. When I saw the news that Obama selected Biden, I knew the hackocracy was going to bring it up though. Makes me glad I'm on vacation (here at an internet cafe while my H prints out some directions for someplace we want to go) and not hearing much.
Just came to see how all you bastards are doin'. :-0) and seeing the new ridiculousness being bandied about our corproate media propoganda outlets. Gee, so sorry to miss it all, not!
This shows the trivia that gets blown into a something...meanwhile, what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Most of your mainstream media likes to pray on negative articles regarding the war. Fortunately, there isn't much negative going on. In terms of war in the media - no news is good news.
However, the Presidential race, Georgia, the Olympics, and crude oil/gasoline prices just happen to be the biggest things garnering attention. If the news stations decided not to cover these 4 things, their viewier ratings would drop.
A war in which we've already won.
It's an occupation now, and you know it.
"But to be expected in war."
Why then do you call it a war?
YOU DON"T KNOW A GOD DAMNED THING ABOUT WAR!
Hi King, I don't know a goddamn thing about war either. I do like this little essay, How to Tell a True War Story, by Tim O'Brien (no relation, I swear). If I linked to this before, or if you're familiar with it, never mind. A friend of mine who's a Lit. teacher at the local community college tipped me to the guy, and I really like his stuff.
I think this is from "The Things They Carried". A great book of semi-related stories. I've read if and I'm going to reread it soon.
Thanks for the link K.
My, irrelevant much?
Your average commie is very good at concealing his identity. Imagine if they were to become hippies how hard it would be to find them?
No one likes casualties, they are a terrible thing. But to be expected in war.
Those eighteen didn't have to die though. The 4100+ didn't have to die. It's a shame that Bush Co. will probably get away with causing all those deaths.
Did the DOT admin actively seek to distort facts in their favor in a push for...
You know what, I don't think you'll get my analogy
Roughly 119 people die every single day in traffic accidents in the US alone.
What does a war that had no business being waged have to do with traffic accidents?
Don't let the facts escape a good story.
Don't let logic ever get in the way of a demonstration of a good, old fashioned wingnut analogy.
Like you say, it's a wingnut analogy ... in the righties' style, it's something totally irrelevant ... like the "second-hand smoke vs ice cream" "argument" (I don't recall anybody being forced to endure second-hand ice cream ...)
A truer analogy for the dying soldiers would be if the media was covering up 18 POLICE MEN (or women) dying in a month ... if that happened, there would be total 24/7 news coverage about the new holocaust ... because the U.S. troops are acting like the police over there (aside from turning a blind eye to all the bribes for "not killing" the people who differ from you in religion ... which is finished, because pretty much, they've killed all of them ...)
You see, I like that line just because it's a bigger number, but you can stick with your joke about traffic fatalities if you want. I mean, bigger numbers tend to provoke bigger laughs, but both statistics are equally irrelevant to the casualty rate among our soldiers who have been ordered into harm's way unnecessarily.
Or maybe it would be funnier if you said: "But Mom, Traffic's parents let him kill 119 people a day! Can't I even kill just 18 people a month? Pleeeeeaaaaase?!?!"
Roughly 119 people die in traffic accidents...
I like apples. This is as relevant as your weird response.
This is your brain. This is your brain after right-wing indoctrination. 18 US fatalities is a "positive".
No one disputes that reduction in levels of violence is a good thing but never forget that these casualties are tragedies, particularly as they are part of the sunken cost fallacy that is Iraq. There was no national security threat worth the invasion and there remains none today. We need to leave as soon as reasonably possible. You want to throw cash at Allawi to prop him up thereafter fine - but get our troops out of harm's way.
No one disputes that reduction in levels of violence is a good thing but never forget that these casualties are tragedies
Appears to be just what I was saying. Now, lets see how you can spin it into something different.
But 18 in a month is more of a "positive" when its regarding war and over 100,000+ troops.
Let's see if I get this right. 18 troops die in a month, so what.
Just one baby is aborted, Science is up in arms.
Just one case of someone cheating welfare surfaces, Science thinks welfare is out of control and needs to be eliminated.
I could go on and on, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the former histybuff known as science doesn't have a set standard when it comes to articulating his position on anything.
SSAndswithalotofdigits used to be HissyFit.
We need a program so we can tell of all of the trolls apart.
I used to be pretty good at detecting these clowns but I got overwhelmed.
Science guy's been around for a lot longer I think. He started posting in sixth grade and I think he's in high school now.
They're pretty easy to get confused. I think one of them says he's 28, has done time in the Nat'l Guard and the reserves, has several advanced degrees, has drilled for oil on one of his properties, and has taken some time off to care for an abandoned relative.
Quite a list of accomplishments at that age, impresive for a normal person , almost unbelievable for somebody who seems to be stunted at the mental level of a 10 year old.
It is not a puny story. The Media will continue to report it because Biden is guilty as charged.
McCain plaigarized Solzenitzn's story about the cross in the sand to lie about his career and y'all could care less, so why are you making a big stink now?
Oh yeah, because Biden is a Democrat. It's part of that two rules policy the elitist republikkkans use to cover their long list of crimes.
This seems like a pretty easy Yes or No question.
(by the way, if Biden didn't plagiarize then why did he drop out of the 1988 race?)
"June was the deadliest month for U.S. troops in Afghanistan since the war there began in late 2001, as resilient and emboldened insurgents have stepped up attacks in an effort to gain control of the embattled country.
Defense officials and Afghanistan experts said the toll of 28 U.S. combat deaths recorded last month demonstrates a new resurgence of the Taliban, the black-turbaned extremists who were driven from power by U.S. forces almost seven years ago. Taliban units and other insurgent fighters have reconstituted in the country's south and east, aided by easy passage from mountain redoubts in neighboring Pakistan's lawless tribal regions.
Then, it noted,
The nation's top military officer said yesterday that more U.S. troops are needed in Afghanistan to tamp down an increasingly violent insurgency, but that the Pentagon does not have sufficient forces to send because they are committed to the war in Iraq."
If we are going to replay gaffes of the 1980s then out comes the whole Keating Five scandal. Does McCain really want to open that can of worms?
Randy
Does McCain really want to open that can of worms?
As a POW, John McCain ate cans of worms...and you were beaten if you plagiarized. And now he's a former POW...but he doesn't like to talk about it.
Because Joe Biden is not a Former POW© and John McCain will always be a Former POW©.
Today I heard the former POW, John McCain, say, "My friends, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country, my friends." When accused of plaiarism, the former POW responded that he didn't have a house or a table and chair for a number of years... ;>)
Bush all you want, when in fact the overwhelming majority of all Congress voted to go to war.
They didn't vote for war; they handed their war powers over to Bush and left the decision up to him which was a huge mistake.
So let me get this straight: the media is wrong for pointing out Biden's plagiarism because it does not also point out instances in which he did not plagiarize.
If he was trying to plagiarize he wouldn't have given credit to the author several other times.
Waaaaaa, Joe Biden called me a name.
Waaaaaa, Joe Biden stole my lunch money.
Gramps and his crew need to grow the fu_k up!
The Write Stuff? Why Biden's plagiarism shouldn't be forgotten.
By David Greenberg
http://www.slate.com/id/2198543/pagenum/2/