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IBD reported that "[a]mid" acts of violence, Obama "phone[d] Odinga to voice his support" -- but not that he said he urged negotiation

August 25, 2008 2:52 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Summary: In an editorial, Investor's Business Daily wrote that after Kenyan politician Raila Odinga lost his country's presidential election in late 2007, "angry Odinga supporters crying fraud sparked riots that resulted in some 1,500 deaths. Amid his ancestral country's civil unrest, [Sen. Barack] Obama took time out from the campaign trail to phone Odinga to voice his support." However, while IBD claimed that Obama phoned Odinga to "voice his support," Obama and his campaign have reportedly said that he pressed Odinga to conduct unconditional negotiations to end the violence during the phone conversation, which was reportedly approved by the State Department.

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In an August 18 editorial, Investor's Business Daily wrote that after Kenyan politician Raila Odinga lost his country's presidential election in late 2007, "angry Odinga supporters crying fraud sparked riots that resulted in some 1,500 deaths. Amid his ancestral country's civil unrest, [Sen. Barack] Obama took time out from the campaign trail to phone Odinga to voice his support." But while IBD claimed that Obama phoned Odinga to "voice his support," Obama and his campaign have reportedly said that Obama called Odinga to press him to conduct unconditional negotiations to end the violence. Further, Obama's phone call was reportedly approved by the State Department.

Obama reportedly said of his phone conversation with Odinga: "Obviously he believes that the votes were not tallied properly. But what I urged was that all the leaders there, regardless of their position on the election, tell their supporters to stand down, to desist with the violence and resolve it in a peaceful way in accordance with Kenyan law." Similarly, the Associated Press wrote on January 8 that "Obama's advisers said the Illinois senator has been working the phones for the past week to urge an end to the bloodletting. He spoke to Odinga for about five minutes Monday before going into a rally in Lebanon, N.H." The AP quoted Obama spokesman Bill Burton stating that during the call, Obama "urged an end to violence and that Mr. Odinga sit down, without preconditions, with President [Mwai] Kibaki to resolve this issue peacefully.''

Further, Obama's advisers reportedly said at the time that Obama's efforts to help resolve the violence in Kenya were coordinated with the State Department. The AP reported in a January 2 article: "Obama's campaign said the candidate had spoken to [Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice late Monday about the situation in Kenya. The call was confirmed by the State Department, which provided no details because it did not want to involve Rice in politics." The Chicago Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet wrote on January 3: "As Kenya boiled, Obama reached out to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to discuss the situation. I'm told it was Obama's idea to put out the statement." The January 8 AP article about Obama's conversation with Odinga reported that "Obama was coordinating his efforts with the State Department, his advisers said. He discussed the situation with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Jan 1. The following day Obama recorded a statement with Voice of America after a canvass kickoff in Davenport, Iowa."

Additionally, IBD wrote: "Like Obama's father, Odinga was a member of the Luo tribe of Kenya. His son, Raila Odinga, ran for president in 2006. That year, Obama traveled to Kenya and appeared with Odinga at rallies where he criticized the pro-U.S. government Odinga wanted to oust." Obama, who PolitiFact.com wrote "has remained neutral in Kenyan politics, and did not support Odinga during his trip," criticized the Kenyan government during the trip for failing to adequately address public corruption. For instance, in an August 28, 2006, speech, Obama said: "Like many nations across this continent, where Kenya is failing is in its ability to create a government that is transparent and accountable. One that serves its people and is free from corruption. ... But while corruption is a problem we all share, here in Kenya it is a crisis - a crisis that's robbing an honest people of the opportunities they have fought for -- the opportunity they deserve."

But while IBD singled out Obama for "criticiz[ing]" a "pro-U.S. government," the U.S. State Department has also faulted the Kenyan government for failing to take necessary steps to eliminate public corruption. For example, in the "Background Note: Kenya" profile it issued in June, the State Department wrote:

Under the first presidency of Mwai Kibaki, the [National Rainbow Coalition, a group of political parties] promised to focus its efforts on generating economic growth, improving and expanding education, combating corruption, and rewriting the constitution. The first two goals were largely met, but progress toward the second two goals was limited.

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In early 2006, revelations from investigative reports of two major government-linked corruption scandals rocked Kenya and led to resignations, including three ministers (one of whom was later re-appointed). In March 2006, another major scandal was uncovered involving money laundering and tax evasion in the Kenyan banking system. The government's March 2006 raid on the Standard Group media house conducted by masked Kenyan police was internationally condemned and was met with outrage by Kenya media and civil society. The government did not provide a sufficient explanation. No one has been held accountable.

The December 2007 elections were marred by serious irregularities, and set off a wave of violence throughout Kenya.

The State Department's Office of Investment Affairs wrote in its "2007 Investment Climate Statement -- Kenya": "Pervasive corruption has been a major reason for disinvestments in Kenya. ... Corruption and insecurity remain the major challenges for the current government."

Several international non-government organizations have also noted Kenya's problem with public corruption. The 2007 Corruption Perceptions Index, released by Transparency International, ranked Kenya 150 out of 179 countries for corruption (from least to most corrupt) and assigned Kenya a 2.1 rating out of 10. In 2006, Kenya was ranked 142 out of 163 countries and received a 2.2. rating. Human Rights Watch's World Report 2008 stated of Kenya: "In 2007, the human rights situation was shaped by the run-up to the December elections and the persistent corruption that has plagued the nation for decades. ... Action to address Kenya's longstanding problems with corruption continue to be desultory."

From the August 18 Investor's Business Daily editorial:

Like Obama's father, Odinga was a member of the Luo tribe of Kenya. His son, Raila Odinga, ran for president in 2006. That year, Obama traveled to Kenya and appeared with Odinga at rallies where he criticized the pro-U.S. government Odinga wanted to oust.

When he lost the election the next year, despite Obama's tacit endorsement, angry Odinga supporters crying fraud sparked riots that resulted in some 1,500 deaths. Amid his ancestral country's civil unrest, Obama took time out from the campaign trail to phone Odinga to voice his support.

After weeks of violence, Odinga was granted a power-sharing deal. He's now acting prime minister.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 2:57 pm ET)
         
      By contrast, the former POW, John McCain, called Odinga to find out how the real estate market was.  ;>)
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    • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
         
      Hmmm. I wonder if they'll give equal attention to Karl Rove's whereabouts just weeks before the Georgia/Russia dustup? What was Karl doing, besides ignoring a Congressional subpoena? I thought he was no longer employed by the White House.... what the hell is he doing meeting with foreign leaders?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 25, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
           
        Rove is the 21st Century's April Glaspie.
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      • Author by deeznuts (August 25, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
           

        Didn't McCain send his own personal "foreign relations team" to Georgia?

        Careful John! Some people might call that..."presumptuous."

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    • Author by caucasion jesus (August 25, 2008 3:14 pm ET)
         
      fortunately the electorate is too concerned about Barry being a secret mooslim to notice this subtle though outright lie
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    • Author by Dem02020 (August 25, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
         

      I wish these people would stop bringing these type things into the light. Like Sen. Biden's scatter-brained none-of-his-business proposal to separate IRAQ into three or more distinct federal districts, this "urging" (urgent) phone call Mr. Obama made to someone called Odinga is something I don't really enjoy hearing about just now.

      Just as an aside, I had always been a little curious about the currently politically popular verb "vet" (as in vetting a report or candidate): it was not a word I was accustomed to using myself, or even hearing from others, until it started appearing in reports of political matters in the last few years. Merriam-Webster's (the Gold Standard of definitions) has "VET, verb, 2a: to subject to usually expert appraisal or correction <vet a manuscript> b: to evaluate for possible approval or acceptance <vet the candidates for a position>"

      Anyway, the word comes to mind now, especially in regard to the idiotic misguided and uninformed opinion, of giving the murderous sunni saudi anti-democratic "insurgency" in IRAQ their own federal district, and for what: in reward for all the instability death and bombings they work in IRAQ?

      In addition to vetting reports and persons, would be vetting situations and events: I hardly think Sen. Biden was making an "expert appraisal" of IRAQ, when he suggested giving sunnis a federal district of their own, in response to all the murder and mayhem they work in IRAQ... and I'm unsure of what to make of Sen. Obama's "urgent" phone call to someone in Kenya named Odinga.

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      • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
           
        All things in context, I suppose. Which is worse.... giving those Sunni killers their own district, or putting them on the U.S. payroll?
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        • Author by Dem02020 (August 25, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
             
          One is as bad as the other, and both demonstrate a dangerous ignorance of what is truly going on in IRAQ.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
               
            Well, what is "truly going on in Iraq"? Please enlighten us...
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 3:26 pm ET)
           

        Well, it's a moot point now since THE SURGE worked and Iraq is one big happy, happy country in which all the competing sides have resolved their differences, are sharing oil profits equitably, and our troops are safely home. And, BTW, have you bothered to ask the Iraqis what they think...?

        Joe Biden's early call for a federation of states in Iraq was a sound idea considering that the Bush/Cheney administration had not accounted for the possibility of any insurgency or sectarian violence.

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        • Author by Dem02020 (August 25, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
             

          If it's a serious question, then I'm not sure exactly what it means: have I  "bothered to ask the Iraqis what they think" about what?

          About partitioning their country into federal districts?

          If so, I wouldn't assume my opinion in the matter was more important than theirs... I wouldn't assume to manage their affairs in that regard, the way Sen. Biden suggested.

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          • Author by crimson2 (August 25, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
               
            Oh, they'll manage their affairs. If you thnk Iraq will be one country in 15 years, you are dreaming.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
               
            Uhhh...Bush, Cheney and their merry band of neocons assumed to manage the affairs of the Iraqis already...And considering how badly they botched it why would Joe Biden's suggested resolution, taking into consideration the sectarian conflicts within Iraq, have been any less relevant? Aside from the fact that Biden's suggestion did not fit the Bush/Cheney agenda...
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          • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
               

            Yeah, DEM - separating regions within a country and allowing them control of their own affairs has never worked.  Just look at all the problems we've had with California and Louisiana.  Not to mention Massachusetts and Utah.

            Nope.  Our boy Bush had this thing figured out long ago, long before TheSurge™ buttoned things up according to the his plan.

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            • Author by Dem02020 (August 25, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                 

              What are you saying, that the States and the borders of CA and LA, and MA and UT too, were drawn up and suggested by Iraqis?

              I was under the impression that Americans and Californians etc, determined the States and the borders of CA etc, and not any foreign nation, least of all one at such a distance, as IRAQ is from the U.S.

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              • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
                   

                So your only complaint is your assumption that the US wasn't going to let the Iraqis decide where the borders of each federal region was going to be?

                You didn't indicate that in your original comment.  And I'm not sure it's true, anyway.

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              • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
                   
                McCain did say that he owns a house on the california/louisiana border though...
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                • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
                     
                  ...and 7 more on or near the California/Maine border, all of which are designed with the strictest discretion to not betray that a former POW might be occupying it.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 25, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
           

        Your analysis of Biden's Iraq proposal isn't fair or reasonable. Iraq is a false state with borders drawn by Imperial Britain to be convenient, not to acknowledge the different cultural makeups within Mesopotamia.

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
             
          And a current president who didn't know Shiite from Shinola when he started the war...
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    • Author by jeter2 (August 25, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
         

      Look at all the off topic posts. And you can't blame DuWuss ;-)

      Now back on topic:

      I'm unsure of what to make of Sen. Obama's "urgent" phone call to someone in Kenya named Odinga.

      Well Dem I was thinking pretty much the same thing. But I'm glad you wrote it first. I get the feeling if I had, I'd get piled on.

      Why oh why did Obama...not even President yet...get involved in this situation in the first place?

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 25, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
           

        Jeter, I don't think it's even suggested that Obama called in any sort of official capacity, let alone being presumptuous and arrogant or showing hubris. He's been to Kenya, has relatives there, he may have just thought he'd try to have some say in the situation.

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
             
          And had Obama not shown any interest in Kenya you can imagine what the the former POW and his team would have said...that the celebrity can travel to Europe to be cheered by throngs but won't lift a finger to help even his ancestral homeland and his relatives still living there.
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        • Author by jeter2 (August 25, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
             

          Colonel,

          Let's say that Giuliani had been the Republican nominee & there was trouble brewing in Italy, would you have thought him presumptuous to have gotten involved in any capacity? I have a feeling he would have been accused of playing politics by trying to appear to be a statesman.

          Then there's this: That year, Obama traveled to Kenya and appeared with Odinga at rallies where he criticized the pro-U.S. government Odinga wanted to oust."

          What if [using my hypothetical again] Giuliani had not only gotten involved in Italian politics but he appeared to be backing the candidate that was hoping to oust the pro-American government??

          Bottom line, I don't see why Obama felt the need to get involved, & certainly at least appear to take sides, though it is claimed he didn't.

          Maybe it's happen in other Presidential campaigns? Anyone out there know?

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
               
            Jeter, there's a big difference between Italy, a stable European country, and Kenya. Considering the history of civil unrest in African countries in the past 20 years, and the countless deaths that have ensued, I think it is commendable and appropriate for someone who may soon be the next U.S. President to offer the measured words Obama did.
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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 25, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
                 

              I'd like to know how many $500 Italian shoes Sen. George McSame...

              saunters around in.  Do you think he has as many as Imelda did?  He's quite the little dandy, isn't he?

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          • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
               

            The most well-known would be Jesse Jackson.  While there were some complaints from the right about his successes in persuading foreign leaders, I don't recall anyone calling him "uppity"....excuse me - "presumptuous".

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          • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 6:08 pm ET)
               
            Oh Jeter, are you forgetting McCain has a lobbyist from Georgia on his campaign staff and personally dispatched Lieberman to Georgia to represent McCain just a few weeks ago?
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            • Author by jeter2 (August 25, 2008 7:06 pm ET)
                 

              A big Duh! for me. You're absolutely correct Snoop. I did forget.

              I shall now go sit in the corner with my Dunce Cap on...

              Can I blame this on my increasingly short term memory loss? ;-)

              And Snoop thanks for being a bud & not calling me a moron or whatever, others here would have. You're a good guy.

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              • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 7:09 pm ET)
                   
                You know I only save the insults for the truly moronic posters! I am starting to develop a dual personality though! ;)
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              • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 7:19 pm ET)
                   
                BTW, gotta work on that short term memory, and the long term, bud! I'm a little fuzzy too, but I remember something about a meeting between either reagan and/or bush 1 and iran near the end of the carter term?
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          • Author by Brabantio (August 26, 2008 4:51 am ET)
               

            "What if [using my hypothetical again] Giuliani had not only gotten involved in Italian politics but he appeared to be backing the candidate that was hoping to oust the pro-American government??"

            Giuliani would never do that, because that would be stupid.  Since it's not plausible, your hypothetical is "farfetched", and is therefore invalid.

            Maybe you should take a vacation?

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            • Author by jeter2 (August 26, 2008 7:39 am ET)
                 

              Aw Brab, hold a grudge much? Guess you do. Boo Hoo.

              Maybe if you could, just once, admit you were incorrect about something you wouldn't need to embaress yourself by leaving the above lame post.

              Your hypothetical [from weeks ago] was idiotic. Deal with it. Mine here is not. That you can't distinguish the difference only makes you look weak.

              I feel sorry for you. And any respect I had for you is gone.

               

               

               

               

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              • Author by Brabantio (August 26, 2008 8:05 am ET)
                   

                Just holding yourself to your own standard.  Unless you really think Giuliani would do that, then you were being dishonest, because you knew it wasn't plausible. 

                I'm really not concerned about getting respect from a hypocrite and a liar, because your opinion isn't worth spit.

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                • Author by jeter2 (August 26, 2008 8:36 am ET)
                     

                  Apparently you don't understand what a plausible hypothetical is. Or what plausible means or what standards a hypothetical should meet.

                  Your hypothetical that Obama would ever be scheduled to appear on a Black radio program that openly called for "killing Whitey" is ridiculous. Neither Obama or his handlers would have been a party to such a thing. It's not only far-fetched, it idiotic, stupid, & yes implausible.

                  Obama involved himself in Kenya politics. My hypothetical of Giuliani involving himself in Italian politics because of his ethnic background is plausible. ...see Irony's post above about Obama's reasons for jumping into Kenyan politics. Therefore it is a plausible hypothetical.

                  Sadly you are so childish you won't accept the fact that you blew it. But keep on keeping on Brab.

                  You jumped the shark awhile ago, & I'm not the only poster who has called you out for arguing just for the sake of arguing. Your opinions are worthless.

                  You were wrong. You delivered a nonsensical hypothetical. And you are continuing to look like a fool.

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                  • Author by Brabantio (August 26, 2008 9:12 am ET)
                       

                    "Neither Obama or his handlers would have been a party to such a thing. It's not only far-fetched, it idiotic, stupid, & yes implausible."

                    Or his handlers?  That's an interesting assertion.  He couldn't have someone who was a loose cannon on his staff, or someone who just didn't do their research, or someone got the names mixed up and booked the wrong program.  None of that could plausibly happen, considering the high passions and long hours that go along with the work?

                    Think about that.  Is there really a big enough difference between any of that and the notion that Giuliani would get involved with Italian politics because his grandparents came from there?  Is there really such a big, bold line between the nature of these two situations that justifies your labeling me "dishonest" for one, but you untouchable for the other?

                    I've heard your crap before, I'm always the bad guy to the person who gets exposed as a hypocrite.  When I defend you from unfair attacks the next time they happen, I'll be a "good guy" again.  My entire persona changes just like that, like magic.  It's really a remarkable phenomenon. 

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                    • Author by jeter2 (August 26, 2008 10:30 am ET)
                         

                      How deep you gonna dig that hole you're already in Brab?

                      Let's see, adding stoooopid extras onto an already nonsensical hypothetical only makes it more ridiculous. But do carry on Brab. It's entertaining.

                      But it gets better...

                      I've heard your crap before, I'm always the bad guy to the person who gets exposed as a hypocrite.  When I defend you from unfair attacks the next time they happen, I'll be a "good guy" again.  My entire persona changes just like that, like magic.  It's really a remarkable phenomenon. 

                      When have you ever exposed me as a hypocrite? Please give an example. Let's see you also called me a liar earlier... examples please. Or do you just throw stuff like that at folks when you're losing an argument.

                      You are disingenuous. And you prove that in nearly every post you crap out here.

                      And please feel free to never defend me again. Never asked you to, don't need you to.

                      Ah that magical persona thing, oh please I'm the Con who gets patted on the head & called fair & reasonable only when I agree with Lib/Dems here. Now that's a remarkable phenomenon <sarcasm>

                      Got more malarky to add? Go for it. I can't stay & play. I've got work to do.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (August 26, 2008 12:10 pm ET)
                           

                        I notice you didn't answer the question about the big, bold line between the two things.  Why is that?  If you're going to charge me with dishonesty, you should have something to back it up with.

                        An example of hypocrisy?  How about dismissing a hypothetical that demonstrates a principle, then forwarding a hypothetical that demonstrates a principle?  You can't demonstrate how yours is any more plausible than mine.  That's the whole point, that you made an argument of convenience and you forgot seven days later.

                        You lied when you said that you had dismissed my hypothetical before asking about it, because you said yourself that when you got the answer you found that you had "given me too much credit".  If you already made a judgment on it, then you never gave me "credit".  If you hadn't made a judgment on it, then you lied when you said you did.  Either way, you lied.  There was no real need for it, you were just "digging yourself into a hole".

                        The projection is remarkable.  You made an unsustainable argument, you made an unfair charge, and I'm the one who can't admit I'm wrong?  Grow up, as your buddies would say. 

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    • Author by wesley (August 25, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
         

       -- He spoke to Odinga for about five minutes..."urged an end to violence and that Mr. Odinga sit down, without preconditions, with President [Mwai] Kibaki to resolve this issue peacefully.'' -- mmfa

      Five minutes worth of Obama's trademark hope and the need for change speech...should be no problem to resolve.

      While mmfa chooses to critique this rather innocuous statement...they fail to address the larger issue in the IBD story titled "Like Father Like Son"...startling similarities between Obama and his communist father.

       

       

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      • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
           

        That was an incredibly stupid and disjointed article, and I feel a little dumber for having read it.

        Thanks.  I now can relate a little bit better to McCain supporters.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 25, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
           

        You've had your wingnut porridge...

        And now it's off for a special screening of the Hannity Fairy Tales.

        I just sent an e-mail to IBD, and chewed on some right-wing ass.

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 25, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
             
          Ick, 8Homes. I hope you had a breath mint. I'd rather eat wingnut porridge.  ;0)
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    • Author by ukobserver (August 25, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
         

      Let's see if l have this correct.

       

      Barack Obama calls Odinga and his campaign have reportedly said that he pressed Odinga to conduct unconditional negotiations to end the violence during the phone conversation, which was reportedly approved by the State Department. This has wsingnuts all in arms and worried. Yet JUST LAST WEEK John McCain made a pronouncement after speaking to and getting the advice of his Neocon lobbyist foreign affairs advisor that Russia had to leave the people of South Ossettia they went in to protect or he would angryly wag his finger at them (oh, and he's sent two underlings who were not requested or needed by the US State Department for "talks") and this DOESN'T get your hackles rising?

       

      Geez Beaver!! It must be fun on rightwing world!! 

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      • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
           
        Exactly. The Republicans simply create their own reality. Much as the Downing Street Memo said that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy". Does anyone remember the Downing Street Memo? I detect a pattern here....
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 25, 2008 6:43 pm ET)
             

          Exactly Nerzog.  When you control the media...

          it is easier to create your own reality.  With 90% of talk radio, it's much easier to create your own reality.  90% of the communications industry under government control is something that Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin would be very pleased with.  Rupert Bird-Cock is just delighted!!

           

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