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August 25, 2008 4:39 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Fox News' Sean Hannity and Karl Rove each repeated the claim that Sen. Barack Obama paid below market value for his house, despite the fact that the sellers reportedly said that they did not cut the price for Obama.

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On separate programs on August 21, Fox News co-host Sean Hannity and Fox News contributor Karl Rove each repeated the claim that Sen. Barack Obama paid below market value for his house. In fact, the sellers reportedly said that they did not cut the price for Obama.

On Hannity & Colmes, Hannity said that Obama got "a property next to this convicted slum lord, Tony Rezko. His property is $300,000 below value. The other guy paid full price. He buys part of Rezko's property, and lo and behold, what did we find? That the convicted slum lord, with the help of Barack Obama, got $14 million from the state of Illinois, thanks to Barack's help." On On the Record, after host Greta Van Susteren asked about Sen. John McCain's reported inability to say how many houses he and his wife own, Rove said that the controversy "does open up the question of how did you buy a house for cheaper than the market price, and then either the day after or that day, the -- Rezko buys the next-door lot at full price and then sells you a part of it so that you can have as big a yard as you want to have, and this guy is a dirty guy who's now on his way to the federal pen."

In fact, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, Bloomberg News reported that "[t]he couple who sold Barack Obama his Chicago home said the Illinois senator's $1.65 million bid 'was the best offer' and they didn't cut their asking price because a campaign donor bought their adjacent land, according to e-mails between Obama's presidential campaign and the seller." The Obamas subsequently bought a portion of Rezko's lot, According to documents posted on the Obama campaign website, Obama paid Rezko $104,166 for the piece of property in question, while the property was appraised at $40,500, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted. Obama told the Chicago Tribune in a March 14 interview how the price for the parcel of land was determined: "[T]he appraisal did note that the other parcel, Rezko's remaining parcel, would be fully developable if he sold this to me. And so rather than pay the appraised price, I paid one-sixth of the cost of his property. He agreed to sell that 10-foot strip."

Additionally, while the Chicago Sun-Times reported that "Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens" in 1998 -- several years before Obama purchased his house in 2005 -- it also reported that Obama spokesperson Bill Burton stated that he did not "know that anyone specifically asked him to write this letter." Rezko attorney Joseph Duffy said that Rezko had not asked Obama to write the letters.

Hannity has previously made false statements about the purchase of Obama's home.

From the August 21 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: But it does, as Amanda [Carpenter, national political reporter for Townhall.com] point out, bring up the issue of Tony Rezko. Now, here Barack Obama gets a property next to this convicted slum lord, Tony Rezko. His property is $300,000 below value. The other guy paid full price. He buys part of Rezko's property, and lo and behold, what did we find? That the convicted slum lord, with the help of Barack Obama, got $14 million from the state of Illinois, thanks to Barack's help. Now, what do you care more about, Michael?

MICHAEL BROWN (Democratic strategist): I'm sure, Sean, at the top of the Republican talking points, it says "distraction politics."

From the August 21 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren:

VAN SUSTEREN: We continue now with Fox News contributor Karl Rove. All right. Well, who wins this, and where's this one going?

ROVE: Well, nowhere good. Look, Senator Obama deliberately misstated the -- he said that was a true quote, that John McCain couldn't remember how many houses he had. Remember, the question from Mike Allen of Politico was, "How many houses do you and your wife own?" Mrs. McCain is a wealthy woman. She owns a number of, not only homes, some of which, for example, her elderly aunt lives in, but investment properties.

And so Senator McCain has filled out forms on which that information is, but, you know, he can't recall how many are considered houses, how many are considered investment properties. He's filled out a form on that in the past. But, you know, it'd be better if he had said, "Well, you know what? We've got X and Y." The fact that he didn't created this problem.

However, having said that, this is not wise for Barack Obama to pursue, because it does open up the question of Rezko. It does open up the question of how did you buy a house for cheaper than the market price, and then either the day after or that day, the -- Rezko buys the next-door lot at full price and then sells you a part of it so that you can have as big a yard as you want to have, and this guy is a dirty guy who's now on his way to the federal pen. What the heck were you doing, doing deals with a crook?

VAN SUSTEREN: But is he -- he said it was a boneheaded thing that he did. I mean, it's prob-- look, everyone who buys a house tries to get the best deal.

ROVE: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know? And even in the trial, Rezko -- they said that there was no suggestion Senator Obama had done anything criminal.

ROVE: Well, but here's -- I grant that. But here's the point: Why bring up an issue where you have to then begin defending your dealings with a guy who's on his way to the federal pokey who's now going to be sentenced one week before the general election?

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    • Author by RABBITLUVR (August 25, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
         

      MICHAEL BROWN (Democratic strategist): I'm sure, Sean, at the top of the Republican talking points, it says "distraction politics."

      I'm STILL waiting to hear the ex-POW have his minions discuss what THEY want to do for the next four years. Memo to Grampy's staff: talking about Rezko, Ayers, Wright, etc. and all the long-refuted garbage associated with them isn't telling the nation what your plans for 'change' are.

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      • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
           
        He did say he was for re-instituting the draft. A plan like that can change americans into current POW's.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
             
          No, I think the former POW meant to say that all Americans should drink draft beer...particularly Budweiser beer. And he also meant to say that when he was a POW he didn't get to drink beer at all...but he doesn't like to talk about it.  ;>)
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        • Author by captfoster2 (August 26, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
             

          In a world where the Rule of Law and the Constitution actually meant something to political Republicans..... the Turd Blossom would have been in prison a long time ago....

          But since they don't care about real accountability, except for those of us not willing to sell ourselves as a corporate whore! R@t B@st@rds!

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 25, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
         

      Why is his house an issue? If he wins he won't be living there, if he loses, he becomes a non-issue...

       

      Likewise, why do we make Johnnie Mac's homes an issue?

       

      Let's stick to policy and political issues, not bickering about the fluff accessories and involuntary attributes.

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      • Author by DeminTX (August 25, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
           
        It's an issue because the Repos can't run on their own policies.  McCain voted with Bush 90-95% of the time and we see where this country is with those policies.  McCain has flipped-flopped so many times on every issue that nobody knows what his platform is.  Therefore, the only recourse is to throw out smear after smear while the brain-dead electorate swallows it.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 5:29 pm ET)
             

          McCain has flipped-flopped so many times on every issue that nobody knows what his platform is. 

          The former POW even flip-flops on non-issues. He wrote that when he was a POW he gave his captors the names of the starting lineup of the Green Bay Packers to fool them when they asked for the names of the people in his unit. Then recently, when he was campaigning in Chicago (I believe) he changed the story to say he gave his captors the names of the Chicago Bears players. (I'm sure he must not have been pandering, huh?) But, once again, the former POW doesn't like to talk about his POW experience. Yea, right...!

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          • Author by fawltylogic (August 26, 2008 2:13 am ET)
               

            Almost correct, tt wasn't Chicago, it was Pittsburgh and he claimed he gave the names of the Pittsburgh Steeler's starting lineup. And that was as an answer  the question about what first comes to mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh.

            But yeah, he doesn't like to talk about his time as a POW. 

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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 26, 2008 8:18 am ET)
                 
              I don't think he can remember his time as a POW any more.
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            • Author by wzwriter (August 26, 2008 6:56 pm ET)
                 

              And that was as an answer  the question about what first comes to mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh.

              And when you mention "Pittsburgh" to Jeff Christie, he thinks back to the night he was arrested there in the company of a male prostitute back in the '70s.......

               

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      • Author by captfoster2 (August 25, 2008 5:46 pm ET)
           

        Dawuss,

        I agree that their homes shouldn't be an issue.....

        But since the corporate owned rightwing media brought up Obama's home and refuse to acknowledge that Resko had nothing to do with the purchase of it...... it seems only fair that we mention Grampy McSame's seven homes and their $13 million dollar worth.

        Which is an issue now..... but I agree that it never should have been to begin with....

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        • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 6:00 pm ET)
             
          These Republican apologists are amusing when they feign ignorance on why Grampy's houses are an issue.

          Here, WUSS, I'll spell it out for you: Grampy's multiple mansions are an issue because his Troglodyte handlers have tried repeatedly to paint Obama as an elitist.

          Get it? The man who owns 8 houses and wears $500 shoes is trying to portray the guy who owns one house with a tenth of Grampy's net worth as an elitist. Now that's funny!
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          • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 6:08 pm ET)
               
            Oh, wait..... I screwed up. Grampy's net worth is about FORTY times that of Obama, not TEN as I previously stated.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                 
              Yeah, and McCain, the former POW, didn't work for a single penny of that wealth. He inherited it by marrying into it.
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
                   
                And, Snoop...how do you think the father of 24 year old Cindy reacted when he learned his daughter wanted to marry a 42 year old married ex-POW? Let's get this guy divorced right away and make him somebody important...
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 26, 2008 9:46 am ET)
           

        When you can't remember how many houses you own, in a time when millions of American's are losing thers, primarily as a result of deregulation policies that YOUR PARTY (and one of your close advisors - Graham) forced in and the YOU [McCAIN] plan to continue, and expand, IT IS AN ISSUE.  It shows he's out of touch.  It shows that he does in fact plan to give us more of the same.

        The Obama house thing is meant to imply corruption, but it's a non-issue becuase it's completely phony.  It lacks any credible supporting evidence

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    • Author by newzhound (August 25, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
         

      Memo to Sheer Insannity:  How could Sen. Obama and his wife have purchased a property "below value?"  Isn't any given property its own, best comp?  Since a willing buyer (the Obamas) purchased their home (from willing sellers) for $X, by definition isn't $X therefore the value?

      If the sellers wanted "list price" perhaps they shouldn't have forced the purchaser of their SFR to also buy the vacant lot next door.  Not only do many people not also want a vacant lot - it makes the home for sale extremely hard to finance.

      But nobody ever accurately accused Sheer Insannity of understanding much about finance.  Or anything else... 

       

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 5:00 pm ET)
         
      The Obamas made an offer on a house for less than the asking price (my, how unusual!) and the seller accepted the offer. Rezco then buys the vacant lot next door, for the asking price, and sells the Obamas a portion of it. Where's the beef...? Yes, Rezco turned out to be a shady character, but someone please tell me what was illegal, unethical or immoral about this particular transaction.
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    • Author by wesley (August 25, 2008 5:44 pm ET)
         

       -- And so rather than pay the appraised price, I paid one-sixth of the cost of his property --Obama

      Obama...the benevolent one. He won't pay the asking price on the house until the seller lowers it by $300k...but he'll pay his buddy Rezko more than twice the asking price.

      That is part of where the odor is coming from. 

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      • Author by ukobserver (August 25, 2008 6:17 pm ET)
           

        I love the fact that you just cropped that quote to suit your obvious bias. Why don't l just put the full quote in so we can see if it really says what you hope it says:

         

        Obama told the Chicago Tribune in a March 14 interview how the price for the parcel of land was determined: "[T]he appraisal did note that the other parcel, Rezko's remaining parcel, would be fully developable if he sold this to me. And so rather than pay the appraised price, I paid one-sixth of the cost of his property. He agreed to sell that 10-foot strip."

         

        So he paid for a 10-foot strip of land cheaply instead of the entire property from a man who later turned out to be dodgy. And this is your new big rightwing talking point?

         

        Shheeeetttt. If you guys are this desperate now i'm worried about what you're going to fling in October.  

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        • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
             
          Oh, surely you're not REALLY curious about what they're going to be flinging, are you?  Hannity and Rove already showed that it's their one truly inexhaustible resource.
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          • Author by ukobserver (August 25, 2008 7:58 pm ET)
               
            Curiosity is the wrong word. But we both know that it will be virulent, viscous and extremely foul smelling!!!
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            • Author by neon desert (August 25, 2008 9:15 pm ET)
                 

              I'm sorry.  "Worried".  And yes, I can understand your worry.

              I can only assuage your fears by pointing out that they've been flinging so much of it so often in so many directions in the past that we're beginning to develop a resistance to it.  Heck, I don't even really mind the smell so much any more.  And, best of all, remember: they don't believe Darwin, so they won't be evolving anything to overcome our strengthening immunity.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 26, 2008 8:23 am ET)
           

        That is part of where the odor is coming from.

        Actually, the odor is coming from the open wound you made in logic and reason, and you've done nothing to repair it.

        So, let's see; Obama bought about one-sixth of the vacant lot, for about one-sixth of the asking price for the entire lot.

        HORRORS! He knows fractions!

        Wesley once again proves that anyone with an IQ one-sixth of normal can spout Republican talking points, even when he is incapable of understanding them, and that's when they have been dumbed-down to the point where even W could understand them (of course, he doesn't either).

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    • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2008 6:05 pm ET)
         
      Speaking of Rove.... why isn't he in prison? Isn't there an outstanding subpoena with his name on it? And what the hell was he doing at the Yalta conference....right before Georgia picked a fight with Russia? And who is this lobbyist on McGrampy's campaign who used to be on Georgia's payroll?

      I find these questions much more compelling than McGrampy's or Obama's real estate deals. What are the chances of our worthless Free Press even acknowledging these issues? Less than zero?
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      • Author by jonesjax2374 (August 25, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
           
        Bravo fro the comment about Rove not being in jail and being in Yalta.  He's despicable.  And we all remember the Keating Five so this argument is pointless.
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    • Author by archae (August 25, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
         

      I wish you guys would stop calling McBush, "Grampy."

      I had a "Grampy" that I loved, dearly when I was very young.

      And McBush is NOTHING like my "Grampy."

      Fro one thing, Grampy would never lie to me.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 25, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
         
      Anything said by the '' gruesome twosome" of SHEAR INSANITY  and the PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY should be taken and put where it belongs, in the toilet.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (August 25, 2008 11:04 pm ET)
         

      It's downright hilarious when MMFA cites:

      1. What the couple that sold Barack the house told Bloomberg News
      2. What St. Barack told the Chicago Tribune

      This in the MMFA world of deceit is PROOF that this wasn't a crooked deal.  Nice try.

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      • Author by Brabantio (August 26, 2008 5:09 am ET)
           
        You're right, it must be a conspiracy between the sellers and Obama to rip off the sellers.  What do they get out of this arrangement, if that's the case?
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    • Author by cArn (August 25, 2008 11:58 pm ET)
         

      This in the MMFA world of deceit is PROOF that this wasn't a crooked deal.  Nice try.

      So...what convincing evidence do you have that this was a crooked deal?  Besides hating Obama, I mean. The burden of proof lies on the accuser.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 26, 2008 12:44 am ET)
           

        Well, let's see, we have the seller saying he took the best offer.

        The buyer confirming that account.

        I think I'll go with Sean Hannity's innuendo, even though he had nothing to do with the deal, and offers no information to show that his take has anything to do with reality.

        Talk about "downright hilarious".

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