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With Obama's VP selection, Kristol now concerned with Democratic Party's "gender equity"

August 25, 2008 9:11 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Bill Kristol characterized Sen. Barack Obama's selection of Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate as "Obama's imposition of a glass ceiling." But Kristol showed little concern for "gender equity" in the Democratic Party when he said during the primary that "[w]hite women are a problem" and attributed Sen. Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire primary victory to her "pretend[ing] to cry."

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In an August 23 blog post on Sen. Barack Obama's selection of Sen. Joe Biden as his vice-presidential running mate, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol wrote: "[Sen.] Hillary [Clinton] can perform the attacking functions of the VP nominee as well as Biden." He added, "Will the Democratic party, which is committed (to say the least) to gender equity, and which in fact has a 50 percent quota for female delegates, accept Obama's imposition of a glass ceiling at its convention?" But Kristol wasn't professing concern for "gender equity" in the Democratic Party when on the February 3 edition of Fox News Sunday, he said the only people supporting Clinton's presidential campaign were "the Democratic establishment and white women." He also said that "it would be crazy for the Democratic Party to follow an establishment that's led it to defeat year after year" and added, "White women are a problem, that's, you know -- we all live with that." Nor was Kristol touting Clinton when he attributed Clinton's victory in the New Hampshire primary to "the tears," saying, "She pretended to cry; the women liked it." When Brit Hume asked "You think she pretended?" Kristol responded, "I do." Hume replied, "I don't." Kristol added, "The women were sorry for her, and she won."

Think Progress blogger Matthew Yglesias reported on Kristol's post in an August 24 post.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (August 25, 2008 9:15 pm ET)
         

      From this point forward, Democrats should just tell people like Kristol that he is right and then say next. He continues to speak to the choir and they will never change theirs minds.

      So,Mr. Kristol, okay, you are right, next.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 9:28 pm ET)
         
      The real story is that Barack Obama didn't select Hillary because her husband is a potential loose cannon. This has nothing to do with "glass ceilings" or "gender equity". But it is heart warming to hear Bill Kristol's deep concerns for equality for women...an issue on which he has always been in the forefront. <sarcasm>
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      • Author by SFnomad (August 25, 2008 9:44 pm ET)
           

        President Clinton is a loose cannon and Senator Biden isn't?  Biden has a habit of opening his mouth before engaging his articulate, bright and clean brain.  

        William "The Bloody" is just a concern troll.

         

         

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 10:08 pm ET)
             

          I can think of no better Vice-Presidential candidate to unleash on the fraudulent, ever-changing, John McCain. (He's 72 years old and still doesn't know what he's for or against.) I think McCain is going to be sorry he ever decided to conduct a negative campaign against Barack Obama...and I think Joe Biden is the perfect guy with a combination of intelligence and wit. And before you remind me that Joe Biden once praised John McCain wait until Biden says, as others have as well, how John McCain has changed his stripes to get elected. McCain is a fraud. Biden is genuine.

           

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          • Author by fawltylogic (August 25, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
               

            You sum up exactly how I feel.

            Joe Biden is a terrific pick for VP, I was hoping it would be him but never imagined it would be.

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        • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 25, 2008 10:15 pm ET)
             
          Biden is a loose cannon, but he's our loose cannon.  Bill Clinton is no loose cannon - he always knows exactly what he is saying, it's just that he sometimes says things that most believe aren't so good for the party as a whole. Biden is the proper choice. He will say the things that Obama will not say and he won't hold back from challenging a person he has served with for decades. There will be gaffes, but he will come back from them.  He's a good pick. 
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 10:28 pm ET)
               

            To be clear, I think Bill Clinton knows exqactly what he's saying. However, why would Obama want an ex-President looking over his shoulder with the potential of saying something not in Obama's interest...and whose wife happens to be the Vice-President? That is what I meant when I referred to Bill Clinton as a loose cannon and that is why I think he burned any chance Hillary had for the VP slot. If Biden is a loose cannon (which I do not think) then he's the kind of loose cannon I'd want. He's well-equipped to go after McCain...and I reiterate that I think McCain will regret having started a negative campaign.

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            • Author by leftinmississippi (August 26, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
                 
              One of the most charming things about Joe Biden is his frankness and his off-the-cuff style. I must admit I do hold my breath when he is speaking sometimes.  The other day in Springfield he put his foot wrong, in his mouth in my opinion, by making that joke about his wife's PhD being a bad thing. In the current political climate, that being the 21st century, smart woman jokes just fall flat unless you are at a gathering of knuckle-draggers or out drinking with Tucker Carlson. Of course no one who knows anything about him thinks Joe Biden is a sexist.  He has a great record on gender equality issues, and he just exudes good guy vibes, but the PUMA sites and Huffington Post., among others, picked up on that one little thing.  It will be an interesting campaign, anyway.     
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            • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 26, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
                 
              Obama could not have picked Hillary unless he already had a plan to keep Bill occupied, and I don't know what type of position you would give to a former Leader of the Free World to keep him out of your business.  It's a shame, really, because both Clintons are brilliant, but it would have been chaos. Anyway, Biden's counterpunch is better than Hillary's. 
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (August 25, 2008 11:10 pm ET)
               

            Bill Clinton is no loose cannon - he always knows exactly what he is saying, it's just that he sometimes says things that most believe aren't so good for the party as a whole.

            Examples from this evil one? 

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            • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 26, 2008 8:12 am ET)
                 
              I don't think he's evil.  I think he was a great president and he's great post-president now. Clinton is one of the best politicians in this country's history.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 26, 2008 12:09 am ET)
             

          William "The Bloody" is just a concern troll.

          Just like every talking head at Fox and on am radio. I've been listening in a lot lately, and there's hardly a mention of Grampy McCain. Only a big pile of right wing nuts who can't think their way out of a wet roll of toilet paper offering all kinds of helpful advice to the Dems. And acting very concerned.

          They're like your big fat neighbor who coaches professional sports from his couch.

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          • Author by neon desert (August 26, 2008 10:39 am ET)
               

            Col., don't forget about the credo of your couch coach, the Sofa Kings' Certitude of Brilliance.

            A Sofa King must disagree with a third party's decision for which there are two possible outcomes:

            1. the decision fails
            2. the decision succeeds

            If (1), then the Sofa King is smart, because he knew all along that it was a bad decision.  If (2), then the Sofa King is smart because despite the success, the Sofa King was merely proposing another viable alternative.  And besides, it's plain to see that it was just dumb luck anyway.

            Kristol is not just smart, he's Sofa King smart.

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        • Author by roundhouse (August 26, 2008 1:33 am ET)
             
          Don't despair sfnomad, I would bet good money that Obama has plans to include Hillary in his administration.

          I mean she's brilliant and can perform any duty asked of her. I like Thom Hartmann's suggestion for her to replace Harry Reid as majority leader. I've heard her name as a possible Supreme Court nominee (wouldn't that be awesome?) Think super majority.
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          • Author by princeofwheels (August 26, 2008 4:46 am ET)
               

            OHouse, Your comment to sfnomad was equal to cruel and unusual punishment. I've read many terrible insults, suggestions from the right and the left but the above is the worst and most insensitive EVER. How can you do such a thing? sfnomad is going to have sleepless nights because of you. The sfnomad will now be wandering through the massive websites of the righties to find out why you have done this. sfnomad will be calling all of the ConTalkers to find out if this is a possibility. Round, you are a monster. ;>)

            sfnomad, don't forget, they may also have promised Pres. Clinton a seat on the Supreme Court also.  

            Great comment above also....Biden is our loose cannon...YIPPEE

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      • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 26, 2008 11:16 am ET)
           

        Picking Joe Biden, a man who got ZERO traction twice as a presidential candidate, over Hillary Clinton, who came very close to winning the nomination, demonstrates that Obama didn't pick Hillary Clinton because his own ego is so enormous that he's determined to prove that he can run and win with no help from anyone who might be considered an equal.

        That said, I'm still voting for Obama.  The country simply cannot take a four year extension of the worst presidency in modern times, and perhaps the worst presidency in the history of the United States.

        Finally, what do we care about what Bill Kristol thinks?  Guys like him are wrong about EVERYTHING.  It's amazing that they are still looked to for opinion and commentary because they're never right.  Hell, they're often wrong internally -- their own ideas, concerns and stated points of view aren't consistent from one month to the next, one day to the next, one hour to the next, or one show to the next.  In fact, Kristol, Hannity, O'Reilly and other Republican concern trolls often mimic McCain in that they're inconsistent from one phrase to another within the same sentence.

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        • Author by roundhouse (August 26, 2008 1:05 pm ET)
             
          "Picking Joe Biden, a man who got ZERO traction twice as a presidential candidate, over Hillary Clinton, who came very close to winning the nomination, demonstrates that Obama didn't pick Hillary Clinton because his own ego is so enormous that he's determined to prove that he can run and win with no help from anyone who might be considered an equal."

          Obama had no obligation to do anything for Hillary. Perhaps you are certain Hillary would have picked Barack had she managed to actually win? If not, just chill the hell out.

          Truth is the Clinton campaign freakin' blew it. It was their nomination to lose and they did. They underestimated Barack in Iowa and Hillary couldn't make critical strategic decisions when it counted. Just go read the campaign memos.

          Besides. You have no idea what plans Hillary and Barrack agreed to should he win the election.

          But I commend you for doing like I would do and support the nominee.
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      • Author by gg (August 26, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
           
        Obama is saving Bill Clinton for the Supreme Court.
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        • Author by leftinmississippi (August 26, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
             
          Either Clinton on the Supreme Court would be good. Scalia would have a stroke. And then Thomas would have a stroke because he does everything Scalia does. I like Bill for Secretary of State or UN Ambassador.  
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 25, 2008 9:44 pm ET)
         
      Shouldn't kristol be more concerned about gender equality observing  Mrs l Bush has done nothing worth noting ? Other than getting too chummy with that French scoundrel ?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 25, 2008 11:11 pm ET)
           
        Also, I guess when the republicans ignore women it's not a glass ceiling issue.
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        • Author by neon desert (August 26, 2008 11:36 am ET)
             
          Republicans can't understand the Democrats concern about glass ceilings.  In fact, they let more light into the kitchen to make mopping easier.  What's the problem?
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      • Author by snoopy (August 26, 2008 1:08 am ET)
           

        Speaking of gender equality this year republicans ran - 8 white adultering males.

        Four years ago they ran - one white adultering male.

        Eight years ago they ran - a couple of white adultering males.

        Sixteen years ago they ran - several white adultering males.

        Twenty years ago? A white adultering male.

        Twenty four and tweny eight years ago? A white adultering male who once played a white adultering male in the movies.

        That's twenty eight years of gender equality there...

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    • Author by MoonbatYouBet (August 25, 2008 9:53 pm ET)
         

      Oh please.  The wingnuts were drooling at the prospect of Hillary as the vp candidate.  They could have thrown out double the amounts of lies and slander and crap that they call campaign material and they already have conditioned a fair amount of the American public to believe the absolute worst about any Clinton.  There would have been nothing but pushback against the amplified noise machine and no need to worry about McCain having to actually discuss issues or policies and accidentally reveal that he has nothing new.

      This whole meme of theirs about Hillary and her supporters being abandoned and offended is nothing more than an attempt to salvage what they have left of that plan while they figure out where to get another pile of dung to hurl into the fan.

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 25, 2008 9:59 pm ET)
           
        I suspect not only McCain has nothing new, he probably couldn't remember any of it anyways.
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    • Author by ukobserver (August 25, 2008 10:23 pm ET)
         
      Oh my god l actually wasted all my laughing quota for the day at Hannity. Could this guy be a bigger lying scumbag?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 25, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
           

        I love his sudden concern about Hillary and Bill Clinton, and their feelings.

        These people are really atrocious. 

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    • Author by zamfir273114 (August 25, 2008 10:45 pm ET)
         
      Doesn't Bill Kristol have dual citizenship with the U.S. and Israel? Not that there is anything wrong with that, I was just wondering if he is 100% loyal to America. As for gender equity, is McCain going to choose a woman? It bet he doesn't!
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 10:56 pm ET)
           
        I thought it was Douglas Feith who had dual citizenship with Israel. I could be wrong...
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 25, 2008 10:56 pm ET)
           
        I thought it was Douglas Feith who had dual citizenship with Israel. I could be wrong...
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        • Author by zamfir273114 (August 25, 2008 11:08 pm ET)
             
          Maybe so. Nobody like to talk about it so we will probably never know. Anyway, I think Kristol is a liar and one of the #1 talking heads for the neo-conservative movement that has screwed this country up so I could care less about anything he thinks.
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        • Author by Lorelei (August 25, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
             
          Feith, the real traitor. 
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    • Author by Lorelei (August 25, 2008 11:11 pm ET)
         

      :SIGH:  It's STILL a man's world!

      Ok, I'm over it.   Next.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (August 25, 2008 11:47 pm ET)
         

      I was told that Rush L. was elated to have Biden as the VP choice. He seems to think it is to his advantage.

      I do give Rush credit with his predictions. He makes about 10 per show, 5 times a week for approx. 46 weeks a year. Please hold, got to get my abacus out for this...that is 2300 a year and I'll be damned if he doesn't get 2 or 3 right every year. And he boats about them.

      Rush, your side has already used all their ammo concerning Biden and it has only been three days. I would love to see him debate Mr. 9/11 or the father of 'My too Busy to volunteer Five Sons'.   NEXT

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 26, 2008 12:16 am ET)
           

        (The One True) POW, Rush's shtick is to pretend that everything that happens is just what he wanted, and to convince his stoopid sheep that he's actually causing most things in the universe to happen. It's a creepy cult.

        The whole Operation Chaos thing was, as I heard it originally, to get Hillary elected. Once Rush realized he'd failed at that, he switched to a plan of prolonging the primaries and "bloodying up" Obama politically. (A righty theme of changing objectives and justifications without their followers catching on?)

        The latest hilarious change of position is that the Dems blew it by not nominating HRC as VP, which would have been a slam dunk. Even though they were trying to get her nominated as a sure loser as Pres.

        I know, it's hard to follow for sane people, but it's fun to listen to.

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 26, 2008 7:53 am ET)
             
          I remember a couple of weeks before the 2006 elections hearing Limbaugh predict that not only would the Republicans not lose any seats in the House and Senate but that they would GAIN seats. What a genius...  ;>)
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          • Author by Pyrrhonist (August 26, 2008 9:14 am ET)
               

            I remember when Rove insisted that he had THE MATH last time.  It always amazes me that the rightwing talkers don't even bother to use facts and twist them anymore. They seem to see no need for even an occasional vector into reality.

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        • Author by nerzog (August 26, 2008 9:27 am ET)
             
          I forced myself to listen to PigBoy last Friday, and he was whooping up the "Hillary got dissed" theme. Any true Hillary supporter that falls for that transparent crap probably needs to go ahead and change parties anyway.

          Rush was also bloviating that Nancy Pelosi would force Obama to pick Chet Edwards, and he rode that horse for about an hour.

          PigBoy never fails to amuse.
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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (August 26, 2008 2:39 am ET)
         
      The perfect VP pick for John McCain would be Dan Quayle. He has a way with wurds, he is jung, he lives in Arizonae, and he has experience at the jobbe.
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      • Author by Blueneck (August 26, 2008 5:46 am ET)
           
        Yes--James Danforth Dan Quayle a real bodenständiger Mann. Signatory of The Project for the New American Century. Uniquely qualified: owns a home at the Yellowstone Club (lots start at 2 mil.) and at least one more in Paradise Valley, Arizona. Maybe a few more too--after all who can remember how many houses they own? This alone makes him a great match for McPappy. And let us not forget that he is a trustee emeritus of the Hudson Institute. Perfect. A true environmentalist. This would spell real trouble for the Democrats--you know "T-R-U-B=U-L". Sorry kid but trubul has two L's.
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      • Author by tbone (August 26, 2008 8:23 am ET)
           

        I like it.  It brings youth to the ticket.  VP twenty years ago and he's still a decade younger than Grandpa McAngry Pants.

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 26, 2008 9:42 am ET)
         
      Flip-flops and hypocrasy.  Yep... he's a McMain through and through.  (And back in 2000, he was probably against him before he was for him.)
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    • Author by pete592 (August 26, 2008 11:57 am ET)
         
      Why is it that right-wing professional liars like Kristol find it necessary to devote so much time and energy to defining the left-wing instead of defining their own side?
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      • Author by Lorelei (August 26, 2008 12:10 pm ET)
           

        cuz he did define his side..

        "White women are a problem, that's, you know -- we all live with that." 

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      • Author by albertsenj (August 26, 2008 2:21 pm ET)
           
        Because it is easier to see the mote in your neighbor's eye than the beam in your's?
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      • Author by Timmee (August 26, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
           
        Exactly....their drive isn't to make you vote for McCain because anyone with half a brain knows what this will bring us. So the goal is to make people NOT vote for Obama.

        And no, they don't even need a nugget of truth to jump off of into an insane rant.
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    • Author by bettybrown (August 27, 2008 4:08 am ET)
         
      wow, women really can't win, can they?  since, well...since forever, women have been delegated to this role of "the woman behind the man".  and when a female does work her way up to a powerful position, she gets rejected for the man she's married to?  hmmm...something really bothers me about this.  they may share a last name, but my god, give this woman some credit for actually being her own person. 
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