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Fox News host set up false contrast between Palin and Biden, both of whom have sons going to Iraq

August 29, 2008 6:13 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Summary: Fox News' Jon Scott suggested that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin can contrast herself with Sen. Joe Biden on Iraq because her son is "deploying to Iraq next month." But Scott did not note that Biden's son is also reportedly deploying to Iraq.

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During the August 29 edition of Fox News' Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott suggested that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin can contrast herself with Sen. Joe Biden on Iraq because her son is "deploying to Iraq next month." But Scott did not note that Biden's son is also reportedly deploying to Iraq. After guest Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said that a vice-presidential debate between Palin and Biden will be "fascinating," Scott asserted of Palin: "[H]er oldest son is deploying to Iraq next month and volunteered to serve, you know, September 11th of last year. That's a pretty compelling storyline when Joe Biden, you know, suggests that Iraq is not the place American troops ought to be."

Biden's son Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III -- a member of the Delaware Army National Guard -- is scheduled to deploy to Iraq on October 3, according to a FoxNews.com article.

From the August 29 edition of Fox News' Happening Now:

SABATO: Yeah, and that vice-presidential debate is going to be really a headliner. You've got Joe Biden, who, of course, is very blunt and very frank, and I happen to know some people who know Sarah Palin, and she is also very blunt and very frank. That is going to be a fascinating debate. I think it may get a much larger audience than the vice-presidential debate normally gets.

SCOTT: Right, and the fact that their son -- her oldest son is deploying to Iraq next month and volunteered to serve, you know, September 11th of last year. That's a pretty compelling storyline when Joe Biden, you know, suggests that Iraq is not the place American troops ought to be.

SABATO: Look, this -- there are so many pieces to this. I can see why they were so attracted to her, not just the nature of a woman candidacy, but also the family connection there, the Western spirit -- and by the way, the West has always been very open to women politicians.

SCOTT: Right.

SABATO: The first two women governors came from Texas and Wyoming.

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 29, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
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      I read on AOL earlier today that Beau Biden was DE's AG...
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    • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 6:17 pm ET)
         
      Yeah. Did you just get up?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
           
        Oh, I get it. The Reserves don't count. Like a guy who is an attorney is actually making less of a sacrifice....
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        • Author by sandss981580 (August 29, 2008 7:08 pm ET)
             
          one's behind a desk, the other is a ground pounder.  that's a difference. 
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          • Author by pete592 (August 29, 2008 7:41 pm ET)
               
            I wonder what real members of an Army signal brigade would have to say about your quip.
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      • Author by seeryer (August 29, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
           

        Sabato must have been asleep this week as well.  Notice how often he is the guest when so much right wing distortion goes unchecked.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 8:23 pm ET)
           
        Hey, not once, not ONCE, has Russia dared invade Alaska. You can't ignore that, you liberals.
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        • Author by snoopy (August 29, 2008 8:46 pm ET)
             
          But they did. It's just a hypothesis, but them darned russians infiltrated Alaska and sent bombs down the alaskan pipeline to force us to send them grain. It's a documented hypothesis...
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        • Author by edwilljunior8473 (August 30, 2008 2:51 am ET)
             
          I was listening to the Laura Ingram show on the radio today. I needed to hear some good comedy today and she never fails. She was pointing out the plus' about Sarah Palin and in making a point about her knowledge of foreign policy she actually did say that she knows foreign policy because Russia is right next to Alaska. Unbelievable!
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    • Author by snoopy (August 29, 2008 6:30 pm ET)
         

      In an interview with Time Magazine today, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK), Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) running mate, suggested that McCain has yet to share his plan for Iraq with her. Palin, who has not been to Iraq, said she does not know “what the plan is to ever end the war.”

      Yeah, I guess she can contrast with Biden. He's got a plan and she has no clue...

      Courtesy of think progress, btw.

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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 29, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
         

      Beau Biden joined the National Guard in 2003.  He's a JAG (Judge Advocate General) officer with the rank of Captain.  Biden is assigned to Delaware's 261st Signal Brigade, which is slated for deployment to Iraq in the near future.

      When Beau Biden joined the Guard and Joe Biden suggested that the idea of his son deploying caused him to consider Iraq policy even more carefully than he previously had, Ann Coulter mocked him and suggested that there was little likelihood that Beau Biden would ever have to go to a combat theater.  I wonder if she'll be retracting that comment, or if Jon Scott will correct the false impression described in this MMFA story.  Ah ha ha ha ha ha!  Being a Republican means never being wrong and never apologizing.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 6:44 pm ET)
           

        No doubt the repubs are going to contrast Biden's reservist status as an 'elitist', with Palin being the real soldier.

        Give them about 6 hours to figure out how to do it. Then the MSM will scrutinze Biden.

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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 29, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
             

          Right on.

          Here's my first prediction -- The Republicans say that being a military lawyer doesn't count as real service, an approach they'll use with no sense of irony when the names Congressman Steve Buyer and Senator Lindsey Graham are mentioned -- IOKIYAR.  In addition, they'll accuse him of padding his resume as part of a long range plan to succeed his father in the Senate.

          Here's my second -- the GOP meme is that Beau Biden used his father's political connections to jump to the top of the waiting list to join the National Guard in a cowardly attempt to escape combat, and then leapfrogged more qualified applicants to obtain a direct commission as an officer, an appointment for which he did not meet the minimum eligibility criteria.  Oh, wait...

          I guess they'll stick with number 1.

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          • Author by DAWUSS (August 29, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
               
            Biden III is what the Elephants would consider one of "The Phony Soldiers"?
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          • Author by sandss981580 (August 29, 2008 7:10 pm ET)
               
            how stupid is that.  there is no draft, why would you need political connections.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 29, 2008 8:08 pm ET)
                 
              There is no draft NOW, DA. During Vietnam there was one. I really can't believe you just threw something that stupid out there...
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            • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 8:24 pm ET)
                 
              It was a joke.
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            • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 29, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
                 

              I was contrasting Beau Biden's decision to voluntarily join the military during a war with George W. Bush's decision to use his father George H.W. Bush's political connections to get to the top of a waiting list to join the Texas Air National Guard.

              The younger Bush made this move in 1968 in a cowardly attempt to avoid being drafted for active duty and service in Vietnam.

              Further, the younger Bush then received a direct commission as a second lieutenant, an appointment for which he did not meet the minimum eligibility criteria.

              Even further, after his training as a fighter pilot, Bush attend weekend drills and annual training for a while, but them mysteriously stopped performing his duty, something that coincides with the end of the draft and the institution of mandatory drug tests for pilots.

              Finally, Bush then asked to be released from his service contract before he had fulfilled the minimum six year commitment he made when he joined the Guard in 1968, and he received his discharge a year early.

              I thought that anyone with knowledge of current events and recent history would have understood the references I made and would have understood why I made them as a way to contrast Beau Biden with George W. Bush.  My apologies.

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              • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 29, 2008 9:35 pm ET)
                   
                Just in case you STILL don't get it, I was praising Beau Biden for selfless service while demeaning Bush's selfish acts, and comparing Bush's selfishness with Republican hypocritical pro-military and pro-war rhetoric.
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        • Author by mrmike15426 (August 29, 2008 7:25 pm ET)
             

          .

          Interesting...they didn't make that comparison with Kerrey (active duty in 'Nam) vs. George W. (protecting the U.S. Gulf Coast).

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      • Author by shaggles (August 29, 2008 7:18 pm ET)
           
        Mitt shoulda sent his boys to Iraq.
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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 29, 2008 8:38 pm ET)
             

          Romney:

          "My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."

          Romney added: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
           
        Snoopy you must have one wierd search engine to find all this stuff.
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        • Author by snoopy (August 29, 2008 8:55 pm ET)
             

          Nah, I use google. I have one wierd thought process!

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          • Author by BottleBlonde (August 29, 2008 9:39 pm ET)
               
            You weirdo's are both are weird because you spelled weird weirdly by spelling it wierd.
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    • Author by snoopy (August 29, 2008 7:27 pm ET)
         

      Obama and co. needs to hammer home her creationist creds.

      Friday, August 29, 2008

      Sarah Palin on teaching Creationism:

      From this (via this via this):
      'Creation science' enters the race

      GOVERNOR: Palin is only candidate to suggest it should be discussed in schools.

      By TOM KIZZIA
      Anchorage Daily News

      Published: October 27, 2006
      Last Modified: October 30, 2006 at 09:40 AM

      The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

      Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both." ...

      In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

      "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

      She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 29, 2008 7:46 pm ET)
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        Wouldn't it simply bring balance to the development of the universe debate? Like a "Fairness Doctrine" for education?
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        • Author by ukobserver (August 29, 2008 8:20 pm ET)
             
          Ya see, this is where you lose people. You post some thing which can actually be classed as humourous and to the point of the thread, then you post something that makes you seem like a dick!! Dude, ya gotta choose one or the other, just for consistancy!!
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        • Author by Disputed Zone (August 29, 2008 8:24 pm ET)
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          Should we also teach all of these creation myths in biology and physics classes? They bring alot to the development of the universe debate. So does the study of art, philosophy, and on and on.

          No, we should limit science classes to teaching science.

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 29, 2008 8:26 pm ET)
               
            YES
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 30, 2008 1:55 am ET)
               
            Craig, please remove your link to that inaccurate website. It has Genesis, the One True Origin Document, listed right along with all of the laughably false origin myths.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (August 29, 2008 8:26 pm ET)
             

          Wouldn't it simply bring balance to the development of the universe debate? Like a "Fairness Doctrine" for education?

          Sure, but it ain't science. So don't teach it that way-- which is what they want. 

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          • Author by DAWUSS (August 29, 2008 10:57 pm ET)
               
            OK, so have it be in another required class then. And have it be from a nondenominational perspective as to avoid establishment of religion.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 29, 2008 7:45 pm ET)
         

      Also availible.

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    • Author by zamfir273114 (August 29, 2008 10:29 pm ET)
         
      Am I a bad person that thinks anyone that sends their son to Iraq is an idiot? Sorry, that's how I feel.
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      • Author by worrierking (August 30, 2008 1:19 pm ET)
           
        I don't share that feeling, but I do think that those who send other peoples sons are scumbags.
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    • Author by Disputed Zone (August 30, 2008 12:49 am ET)
         

      A non-denominational creationism class? I'd like to see that curriculum.

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