CNN's Velshi falsely claimed "no oil shed into the Gulf of Mexico" because of Hurricane Katrina
SUMMARY: On CNN Newsroom, Ali Velshi falsely claimed, "In 2005, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than 40 of these [offshore drilling] platforms, but still no oil shed into the Gulf of Mexico because of that." In fact, a 2007 report prepared for the federal government by an international consulting firm identified damage from Katrina to 27 platforms and rigs that resulted in the spilling of approximately 2,843 barrels of petroleum products into the Gulf of Mexico.
During the August 31 edition of CNN Newsroom, while discussing Hurricane Gustav, senior business correspondent Ali Velshi falsely claimed, "In 2005, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than 40 of these [offshore drilling] platforms, but still no oil shed into the Gulf of Mexico because of that." In fact, a 2007 report prepared for the U.S. Minerals Management Service by the international consulting firm Det Norske Veritas identified damage from Katrina to 27 platforms and rigs that resulted in the spilling of approximately 2,843 barrels of petroleum products into the Gulf of Mexico. The report further found that when also considering damage done to oil pipelines, a total of approximately 5,552 barrels of petroleum products spilled into the Gulf of Mexico as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
From the 2 p.m. ET hour of CNN Newsroom on August 31:
VELSHI: I want to tell you something else. We are right next to Port Fourchon, which is where most of the offshore oil in the United States comes in. Now, this is -- this storm is tracking toward this area, and there's a lot of concern about what's going to happen to oil facilities.
After Hurricane Katrina, there were a lot of facilities damaged, as you recall. So there's been an unprecedented move this afternoon: Oil trading has already begun. Usually, electronic trading begins at 6 p.m. Eastern, to coincide with the opening of markets in Asia. It has started three and a half hours early, just moments ago, so that people who are a little concerned about what's going to happen to oil can start trading already.
So we will know within the next hour or two what effect this tracking of the storm is having on the price of oil. And of course, we'll have a very full picture of it by about tomorrow this time, Richard.
RICHARD LUI (anchor): And Ali is our senior business correspondent. He wears lots of hats. Today, it's a fire department hat. As we've been saying, the last couple of days, you were out, actually, there in the Gulf looking at many of the rigs. And I guess all of them have been evacuated right now that need to be.
VELSHI: You can see about two dozen from where I am right now. They're not too far offshore. Everything that is in the path of this storm has been evacuated. There are no workers in the path of this storm in the Gulf of Mexico right now. And yeah, it was the fire department who's been showing us around. They took us out on a boat. We were up next to one. They've all been evacuated. We saw helicopters going by; that's how they get the folks off the rigs. They're not taking any chances with people there.
And by the way, Richard, before they evacuate those rigs, they have to seal them down completely so that if the rigs are damaged or blown off their moorings, no oil will flow into the Gulf of Mexico. In 2005, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than 40 of these platforms, but still no oil shed into the Gulf of Mexico because of that. The Department of the Interior, which supervises that, is pretty strict about it, Richard.
LUI: Ali Velshi there in Grand Isle, Louisiana.
Not a big concern at all which is why 95% of all gulf oil rigs were completely shut down, All we need now is a set of ruby slippers and Dorothy going "there's no leaking oil".
(actual campaign shot released by the McCain camp of his and her feet. What the hell were they thinking?)
Fail at fetish attempt.
That's the only explanation I can think of.
They didn't do much better with the ticket. I can see it now - "Gidget and Geezer".
Actually, this is the picture I wanted to go with...
DAWUSS l hve to say that you may have nailed it on this one.
On the subject of the actual thread, arn't you fed up of so called journalists who haven't done, or lack the ability to do research?
How debunked is the "There were no oil spills" canard?
Can you imagine what would happen if they brought this up in the debates? Actually, l hope they do!! It would be fun to watch all those media idiots having to reverse their republican talking points for a change.
Wow. I have rarely read something that raises my level of contempt for one group of people. Is this the new talking point being pushed on Redstate, LGF and Malkin?
The hypocracy of the right wing of US politics summed up in one simple statement.
The fact that NOT ONE of the senior politicians in the GOP (or their media attack poodles) who were old enough to fight in Vietnam but did not including the current POTUS AND VP has raised nary a mention or eyebrow l assume in your case, but now your hackles rise over Joe Biden? Really? You actually have the temerity to act as if you are disgusted by this?
On an earlier thread l posted that 'we are close to the day when republican shills could be shown in a photo smeared in the blood of dead puppies, their torn bodies strewn around their feet, while having intercourse with large root vegetables and they would STILL go onto tv and talk about liberals lacking "family values".'
I can now see that we are closer to the day when someone in the GOP will offer up a burger garnished in rat droppings and some moronic dittohead will chomp it down because they tell them it's a new type of super food.
By the way, if anyone thinks i'm being rude or mean here's a list l found about the members of the 106th congress and their military service (note: this does not include all of those who advocated the Iraq war):
Prominent Democrats
Prominent Republicans
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(h/t to www.angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-chickens.html)
Nice one-sided, incomplete list.
You don't help your credibility by pushing those Masters of Deception, the Pied Pipers for the Gullible, the SIERRA CLUB.
Ooops, I forgot. They're non-profit. Nobody's actually making a living there, so they're incorruptible.
Of course you have a non biased list that proves otherwise? Yeah, didn't think so...
But hey, y'all do hold the record on illegal offenses!
Shame on you for passing it along.
Doug Reese
Did you voice the same concern when it was revealed that your vice-president, who supported the glorious War in Vietnam, also got 5 deferments and said that he had "other priorities"?
For your complaint about Biden to make any sense, it would be have to show that he was in support of a war he refused to fight in.
But no matter what you or any of your friends on the right say, someone of age, supporting a war at the same time they refuse to serve is a Republican trait, not a Democratic trait.
There aren't many posters here as dense as you PV.
You really see no difference between Biden and Cheney?
Cheney supported our involvement in Vietnam, just not his own involvement.
He and many of the others in the GOP hierarchy thought Vietnam was glorious and necessary. It was neither.
Show me where Joe Biden ever voiced support for our being involved in Vietnam.
Did Biden support our involvement in Viet Nam or Not? Its a simple question that provides CONTEXT to your 'issue'. Was Biden the MONUMENTAL HYPOCRITE that Darth Cheney unquestionably was? Was Biden a CHICKENHAWK like your Republican idols?
And what the hell does your so called 'point' have to do with oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico?
I always like to think I am the liberal who took Chicken Cheney's place.
POV,
Correct me if I am wrong, but Kerry also got five deferments.
AA,
Did Kerry go to Vietnam or not? Don't you think if you are age-eligible, healthy and for a conflict that you should go?
I love when you attack McCain like that. You have no proof......NONE..that he did any of those things. The man could have left the camp years before he did, but he did not. He would not leave before others there first. It is attacks like that that will win the election for McCain. Only true radical left wing hacks take a true hero and paint him as a traitor.
Please dont stop. I love showing my friends who have not yet decided how to vote comments like yours, just to let them know the kind of hate that the dems pass off as "fact".
Since I knew you didn't have the guts to look it up yourself, here's a start for you. So please show it to your undecided buddies and try to spin it as some left wing lunacy. I know A LOT of veterans who think otherwise of Songbird.
McCain, in his carefully prepared statements, claims he was tortured while in solitary confinement, and that is why he signed a confession saying, “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.” (3)
However, on March 25, 1999, two of his fellow POWs, Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson told the Phoenix New Times that, while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.
As Larson said, “My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”
Guy and Larson’s claims are given credence by McCain’s vehement opposition to releasing the government’s debriefings of Vietnam War POWs. McCain gave Michael Isikoff a peek at his debriefs, and Isikoff declared there was “nothing incriminating” in them, apart from the redactions. (4)
McCain had a unique POW experience. Initially, he was taken to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp, where he was interrogated. By McCain’s own account, after three or four days, he cracked. He promised his Vietnamese captors, “I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”
His Vietnamese capturers soon realized their POW, John Sidney McCain III, came from a well-bred line of American military elites. McCain’s father, John Jr., and grandfather, John Sr., were both full Admirals. A destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is named after both of them.
While his son was held captive in Hanoi, John McCain Jr., from 1968 to 1972, was the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Pacific Command; Admiral McCain was in charge of all US forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam.
One can only wonder when the concierge at the Hanoi Hilton started taking calls from Admiral McCain. Rather quickly, one surmises, for the Vietnamese soon took John Boy McCain to a hospital reserved for Vietnamese officers. Unlike his fellow POWs, he received care from a Soviet doctor.
“This poor stooge has propaganda value,” the Vietnamese realized. The Admiral’s bad boy was used to special treatment and his captors knew that. They were working him.
For his part, McCain acknowledges that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given any “special medical treatment.”
However….two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not “name rank and serial number, or kill me,” as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of US pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships. (5)
So McCain leveraged some details to get some medical attention. That’s not anything too contemptible. And who among us civilians is to judge someone in the position?
On the other hand, according to one source, McCain’s collaboration may have had very real consequences. Retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam, contends that the information that McCain divulged classified information North Vietnam used to hone their air defense system.
Hopper’s son, Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Earl Pearson Hopper was, like McCain, shot down over North Vietnam. Hopper the younger, however, was declared “Missing in Action.” Stemming from the loss of his son, the elder Hopper co-founded the National League of Families, an organization devoted to the return of Vietnam War POWs.
According to the elder Hopper, McCain told his North Vietnamese captors, “highly classified information, the most important of which was the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam. He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn… he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in.” Hopper contends that the information McCain provided allowed the North Vietnamese to adjust their air-defenses. As result, Hopper claims, the US lost sixty percent more aircraft and in 1968, “called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.” 6
Oops, looky here. Other POWs who spoke out against McCain. Hmm, will these soldiers, the POW veterans of truth, be held to the same level of credibility that righteous blowhard republicans held the swiftboaters who didn't even serve under Kerry? These guys were in the same POW camp after all...
There are no public records from other POWs to confirm McCain’s self-aggrandizing claims, but his detractors, like fellow POWs Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, and Colonel Hopper, have yet to be discredited or silenced by McCain’s PR team.
Hopper, Guy and Larson are part of a larger movement concerned with the fate of the 2,000 American veterans still missing in Vietnam. They’ve been pressing McCain to own up to his POW experience, drop the “war hero” posturing, and do more to provide a full accounting of the POWs and MIAs who were not as fortunate, privileged, or willing to collaborate as the would-be president.
McCain’s supporters are trying to quiet detractors by ignoring them.
Too bad Songbird couldn't live up to his uniform code of military justice like real POW's from Vietnam did. My example today? How about Bud Day:
The Military Code of Conduct "required that escape take priority over personal fears and concerns," Day writes in his own memoir, Duty Honor Country, published in 1989 by American Hero Press, Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Not ranked on Amazon, it is among the most amazing personal stories of any war. His eardrums ruptured, his face crusted with blood from beatings, one arm broken and both knees badly injured from the ejection, Bud Day was hung by the feet "like a side of butchered beef for many hours" by his captors after he refused to answer their questions. A week into his captivity he escaped. He then hiked 12 days alone in the jungle back to South Vietnam, eating frogs, nauseous from pain, only to be recaptured.
With all of his limbs now broken or shot up, he spent the next six years in captivity, undergoing mock executions, hung again repeatedly by his feet, often not permitted to urinate, beaten senseless in scenes "out of the Mongol Hordes" with whips that made his testicles like charred meat. When prison guards burst in on him and other POWs during a clandestine Christian service, Day stared into their muzzles and sang "The Star-Spangled Banner."
A recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, Day took the greatest pride in never revealing information to his captors about the Misty program. "If I were to divulge our secrets and tactics, it was highly likely that many of my fine, young, loyal pilots would die as a result..."
Songbird suffered nothing like ol' Bud did.
In addition to feeling close to the whole POW issue because I'm a VN vet, I have spent time in the Hanoi Hilton prison over the past 10 years with about 30 former POWs. The most recent was two weeks ago.
McCain always comes up, as the two rooms dedicated to the Americans (what is left of the prison is a museum, dedicated for the most part to when it was a French prison for Vietnamese) have several photos of McCain, including one of him actually being captured.
In all these years I haven't heard a single disparaging word about McCain -- and not all of those guys are republicans.
Many POWs had operations while in prison -- I know of at least two. It wasn't in the least unusual.
Just about all the POWs "broke", and for that reason (and others), the Code of Conduct was significantly changed after the war.
The POW debriefings are, in fact, classified. And that is for several good reasons, which the POWs agree with. One of them is that it allows those debriefed to be more open and forthcoming. The information obtained in those debriefing can be helpful -- in that war, or those to follow.
Earl Hopper, well. . . . . . he died recently, and I don't want to speak ill of the . . . . . . but he wasn't exactly the person to go for to obtain objective information about McCain -- not by a long shot.
Many of the POWs were in the Plantation. It was not at all a prison guys were normally released from. Many of the POWs I have been with in Hanoi were in that prison, and they were all released in 1973 with the rest of the POWs. I can't imagine where Guy (deceased) and Larson came up with that info on the Plantation. Oh, and lest you think that name had any bearing on the facilities at that prison (recently torn down), it didn't.
If McCain received such "special" care, why is it he can hardly raise his hands above his head? And did you see how he walked when he stepped off that plane in 1973? Yeah, it was special allright. Sure it was.
Much of the anti-info regarding McCain comes from ted sampley. If you see "US Veterans Dispatch", or "VietnamveteransagainstMcCain", it's him. He was also in the background during the 2004 SC primary, spreading his lies and misinformation.
sampley info = crap, and should be treated as such.
The best judge of McCain as a POW comes from the many -- hundreds -- who were with him back then. The worst that you hear from them is (in one instance I know of) that he uses the POW status to further his career, etc, and that all the POWs were heroes, not just McCain.
So please, stick to the facts, not misinformation, smears and the like.
Doug Reese
Also . . . very few POWs were in the bad shape McCain was due to injuries suffered when he was shot down.
Doug Reese
Doug, I really do appreciate you coming forward with a first hand account. I never claimed to be an expert, and you'll note I asked if the men in particular were POV veterans for truth. I hope you aren't taking my responses to POV personally, the main point of my responses are to reveal that POV NEVER tries to post any proof or supporting info, he just says it like it's fact. I've practically spoonfed him openings.
I will never have the experience though I tried, if it hadn't been for a training accident I most likely would have been a lifer marine.
Thanks again for your accounts.
The man could have left the camp years before he did, but he did not. He would not leave before others there first.
POV, will you please STOP spreading that lie! John McCain wasn't “special” or “courageous” for refusing to take an early release. Many POW’s were offered the same “early release” but refused.
What McCain won’t tell you is “early release” meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that your treatment was "lenient and humane."
POW's were bound by their service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first. McCain did what he was suppose to do, just like hundreds of other POW's!
Read the facts from a former POW who was there when McCain arrived. He was held for 8 years. http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html
The VC made the offer to Kissinger, and it was he who refused the early release offer for McCain. McCain never had a say...
Snoopy, OMG! I didn't know that!
After negotiating the end of the Vietnam War, Mr. Kissinger said that the Vietnamese offered to release Mr. McCain, the son of the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral John Sidney McCain Jr., from prison, where he had been for five years.
Mr. Kissinger refused, not wanting to give one soldier special treatment.
When the two men met some months later at a reception at the White House, Mr. Kissinger recalled Mr. McCain coming up to him and saying: “Thank you for saving my honor.”
It was Kissinger that didn't want special treatment NOT McCain. That lying little weasel! McCain's been telling everyone that HE refused early release and of course, Kissinger won't tell the truth, he's endorsed McCain.
I'm not surprised that McCain lied but I'm surprised not a single MSM reporter has bothered to tell the public the truth.
Please dont stop. I love showing my friends who have not yet decided how to vote comments like yours, just to let them know the kind of hate that the dems pass off as "fact". - pointofview
What, you actually tell your friends to look at this site? Do they encourage you? Har, I'd love to hear your friends talking behind your back. Unless you're the "brain" out of your circle of friends, then I'd really love to hear their input.
Snoop
You refuse to accept fact. Biden DID NOT get 5 deferments because he had asthma. It is that simple. He got them because he was a student.
Cheney not going to Vietnam (I was barely born at the time) is the LEAST of my beefs with him.
His secrecy, on my expense, is what pi***s me off.
When a hardly serving non-draft dodger runs country into ground, and a proven draft dodger frames my energy policy in secrecy (and both them together get > 4000 of my fellow people killed for no reason), I would without a doubt, take the other party's vice presidential candidate (even if he is a 'draft dodger', by your claim).
POV - No irony at all. Your lack of comprehension is mind-boggling. Bush went after Saddam based on lies and soley as a personal vendetta because Saddam threatened his daddy. He also got 4,000+ American soldiers killed and maimed thousands more in the process. I hope he dies with that resting on his conscience. Biden's deferments are legitimate; you obviously know nothing about military service entrance requirements. Plus, the Obama and Biden aren't going to through us into a senseless occupation where are security interests aren't threatened.
So, if McCain gets elected and has a heart attack and we end up with Palin at the switch? Now, you talk about a scary situation. How would she run the WH between diaper changes?
Lastly, POV, what have you done to serve your country?
POV,
Want irony? 1996: Dole lauded for his service by Republicans, Clinton blasted for his lack of service by the same folks. 2000: Republicans nominate AWOL/line cutting National Guardsman Bush, blast service of vet Gore. 2004: Republicans nominate the same guy saying that military experience is unimportant, blast/lie about service of Kerry, no problem. 2008: McCain nominated, military experience important again, Obama mocked.
So, because you call Biden a draft dodger and mock him, I am guessing you voted for Dole in 1996, Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, right?
Wow, we could have back to back VPs with a record number of deferments to stay away from Vietnam! At least by 2012 or 2016, we should finally be able to put LBJs and RMNs SE Asia debacle behind us as far as this issue is concerned.
In case anyone missed it, i just saw this headline on Yahoo News.
"GOP sees potential redemption in Gustav."
Why would they need redemption?
Looking for redemption implies having accepted resposibility.
What has the GOP ever accepted responsibility for?
Republicans don't deserve redemption, they deserve a daily slap on the head with a hammer to remind then of their failure to help Americans in need!
McCain deserves a double slap for lying about how he would do things differently as president.
This photo is proof that McCain did exactly what Bush did, nothing.
Well, come on. It WAS his birthday.
Who among us here hasn't taken a day off on their birthday?
You know, I'm just really embarrassed that us liberals have such double-standards.
Offshore refineries? I done lived in Loozyana outside a Nawlins for spell and member hearin' 'bout lotsa offshore drillin' rigs. But I gotta tell y'all, I ain't never hear a no offshore refineries.
Was building offshore oil refineries closer to the rigs a cost-cutting measure by the oil companies so they wouldn't have to haul the oil so far?
That's why they're reporters, and not ticket agents.
And a thought just occurred to me: Over that past several years, journalists at the local tv level have displayed an intellect that is the equal of, say, your average Best Buy summer hire. If the recipient of a degree in journalism finds the path to a position of state (much less national) prominence unnavigable, does the logical alternative fork toward the office of vice-president of the United States? (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
My, my............
It seems that my original post has srirred up a hornets nest!!
Here's the reason why l got so upset with POV's comments on Biden:
Before the start of the Gulf War l read and watched on tv as good Americans who asked very important questions on the facts that were being put forward about Iraq had their patriotism questioned. At this point l have to admit that l was more than a bit naive (probably all those 50's cowboy and war films l watched as a kid) as l never thought that people would be so vociferously attacked for stating something which was, to me, so obvious (concering the false statements being spouted about Iraq) and easily refuted. So l did a little checking and found a list of those who had spoken up for attacking Iraq and those who were against it. Most of those who were saying, "don't rush to war, make sure we are correct" turned out to be veterans, those who had been in conflict, while those who were clamoring for attack turned out to be people who had not only never worn a uniform but had ACTIVLY SOUGHT TO AVOID WEARING ONE WHEN IN A TIME OF WAR. This included the main right wing media mouthpiece who got a deferment because he had a cyst on his backside!!! I watched and read in first frustration then increasing anger as armchair warriors used a massive media arm and America's worse tragedy to brow beat the opposition to their blood lust and thirst for vengence in their rising clarion call to attack a country that had nothing to do with the attack on them. The discovery of the Chickenhawk list ( l discovered this when l read about the disgusting actions of the GOP when defeating triple amputee Max Cleeland by having a picture of him with Bin Laden on an attack commercial) did remove some of the respect l had for some Americans. Many famous people had not served in Vietnam, but none of the ones that l know of had advocated the attack of another nation for no justifiable reason. Trying to use it NOW to try to attack the Democratic VP pick just shows that not only do some conservatives have no sense of irony, it shows that their brains are the perfect example of the Pavlovian reflex.
Exactly. The people who did not support fighting in Vietnam aren't hypocrites for not going. Those who gave only their loud mouth in support and actively avoided going are hypocrites. Bush and Cheney top the list, since they were gung ho for both Vietnam and led the country into Iraq.
That's not too hard to understand unless your brain is filled with concrete.
From Anthropology Magazine:
Homo Conservatis is a branch of the species Homo Sapiens that has experienced considerable evolutionary divergence from what is clearly a common ancestor. Homo Conservatis, for example, can interbreed with Homo Sapiens, although they generally prefer inbreeding over a wider gene pool, which could help to explain the dearth of favorable mutations. Also, Homo Conservatis is so similar in appearance to Homo Sapiens that they can generally blend right in to a group of Homo Sapiens without being noticed, as long as they don't bleat.
However, this is where the similarity ends. The most striking difference is the near complete lack of cognitive ability in Homo Conservatis, and their apparent immunity to the cognitive dissonance of believing multiple mutually exclusive things at once. This basic difference is curious because the Homo Conservatis brain case is the same size as that of Homo Sapiens. But in Homo Conservatis, the instinct-driven reptile brain is surrounded by a runny tapioca pudding that fills the remaining volume -- vanilla, of course.
Homo Conservatis can generally be found slopping at the public trough of corporate welfare, drinking from the watering trough of government subsidies, or wallowing in the mud of war profiteering and no-bid contracts. Although not dangerous in most circumstances, Homo Conservatis often bares its tooth and makes displays of aggression and/or feces throwing as a first line of defense. While most people may safely dismiss such displays as the bluffs they are, certain kinds of doctors and people of certain religious or political beliefs probably shouldn't try to touch them since they are mammals and are therefore susceptible to rabies.
If you find an infestation of Homo Conservatis, it really should be dealt with by a trained professional. There is some evidence that if you can get them to lay off Fox News or conservative talk radio and start getting their information from more than one source, neurons and axions may actually begin to develop within that tapioca pudding in their heads. Some researchers believe that if you could keep it up long enough, Homo Conservatis could actually begin to think for itself on more than an instinctual level. Critics of such attempts question whether the enormous investment of time and effort required would really be worth the result of a single thinking Homo Conservatis. Supporters of the efforts point out that even the longest journey begins with a single step.
UK,
I understand your point of view, but rewriting history to match that point does not serve your purpose well. Go ahead and take another look at the2002 Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.
Oops. This might help.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.htmlI understand your point of view, but rewriting history to match that point does not serve your purpose well. Go ahead and take another look at the2002 Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.
We all know who voted for the war but tell, me who lied to Americans day, after day, year after year, while more and more Americans died?
May 2, 2003 "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11th, 2001, and still goes on."
September 1, 2004 "In this different kind of war, we may never sit down at a peace table, but make no mistake about it, we are winning, and we will win," Mr. Bush told a cheering crowd at the annual convention of the American Legion.
December 19, 2005 In a prime-time speech from the Oval Office, Mr. Bush My fellow citizens: Not only can we win the war in Iraq - we are winning the war in Iraq."
October 25, 2006
Q Are we winning? THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely, we're winning. Al Qaeda is on the run. As a matter of fact, the mastermind, or the people who they think is the mastermind of the September the 11th attacks is in our custody.
You want to re-visit the vote, I say let re-visit the last 5 years!
There you are :-) I was beginning to worry you wouldn't find me.
My musical tastes are rooted in rock but they are all over the map. [I also like some country] You'd be surprised at some of the stuff I like. I have a pretty extensive album collection. I was one of the last holdouts for switching over to CD's. Must be the Conservative in me ;-) Of course I eventually had no choice. There was no way I could afford to replicate my LP collection so a lot of my CD's are greatest hit compilations. I have one Lindsey Buckingham & one Stevie Nicks album. I think I purchased hers for one particular song, The Other Side Of Seventeen [I think that was the title].
My album collection ranges from the usual suspects... The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Bowie, Billy Joel, Dylan, Eagles, Elton John etc. to a lot of bands like Roxy Music, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Santana...and a ton that don't come to mind this second. I like a lot of the old Motown stuff. Boz Skaggs is so underated. I liked a lot of his stuff but I only own one of his albums. The cover has him sitting on a park bench I think. Amazing, I sometimes can't remember what I did yesterday, but I can recall album covers from 25 plus years ago :-O
I also liked a few bands I didn't openly admit to liking, but I'll tell you. Of course if you repeat it to a soul, I'll deny it! Hidden in my vast collection are a few BeeGees & Duran Duran discs. Stop laughing at me darlin! I even liked a few disco tunes. Damn, I bet you think I'm a dork now :-/
Hey, that "desperado" stuff we've been talking about reminds me of when Elaine and some guy were dating. And Elaine wanted "Desperado" to be "their song".
God we're of one mind! I thought of that too before I read what you wrote! BTW, the guy Elaine was dating was named Brett. Same as my oldest boy :-)
Sorry I got back too late to that other thread...When I saw that you wrote I think we're alone now, doesn't seem to be anyone around. I was gonna start my reply The beating of our hearts is the only sound.
I'm bummed I didn't get to do that. Cause my heart is beating really hard while I'm writing this.
Till later my love.
Like you, I am all over the place mucis wise. I tend to like old school stuff like classic R&B (hey, I'll only admit to you that I went through a Rick James phase - don't tell anybody, shhh). And my oldest sister got me a CD of Rod Stewart one year for Christmas and I wrote on the front that it was a gift from my Sister, Sue, so that nobody could blame me for it :-0).
Anyway, I like most of what you listed above (except Bruce S) and include Sinatra, Sarah Vaughan (old jazz singer - never liked Billy Holliday for some reason, too damn languid for my taste) and of course Barbra Streisand (old stuff and some of her duets). I like the raw and beautiful voice of Randi Crawford. And of course I love Prince's filthy lyrics. :-0) Steely Dan is for some moods (listening to Aja right now in fact). I love Carole King and James Taylor - especially his old stuff when he was addicted to heroin - figures :-) My fave band of all time is Earth, Wind and Fire - or as I refer to them, my "yow" music. Ya know how Maurice White was always singing that word?
Again, as you said, a lot I can't remember right now, some country (been to Nashville 3 times and Branson twice) That was for the old man and lady. My Dad was sick for a long time and my Mom made sure he got to a lot of the places he liked. I'd go meet them since I traveled free. It was a way to spend time with him before he died.
As you already know, I do like a little rap (clean lyrics), and I like funk. Bootsy's Rubber Band, Maceo Parker and some George Clinton (although he's pretty weird). Maybe I'll say I liked him better when I was younger. Anyway, I would absolutely not have gotten through HS without my chorus music - I actually like chorale type music and even a bit of opera. But those aren't everyday tastes. And disco is a guilty pleasure. So no, I don't laugh at you. I used to go to a lot of dance clubs (I dance like Elaine pretty much ;-0)). Hey good times!!! I'd go to these places alone and just get guys off the wall to dance, they never turned me down. :-0) Sorry, I'm not so conventional about man/lady type relationships - at least back in the day. Nobody puts baby in a corner!!! :-0)
I'm running long but would have some of these for you in person (if I only could):
Sss..Mmm
Yes I got some candy kisses for your lips
Yes I got some honey suckle chocolate dripping kisses full of love for you
Yes I got some candy kisses for your lips
Yes I got some honey suckle chocolate dripping kisses full of love for you
From Stevie Wonder's "Do I Do". The lyrics are nice, I'll post 'em for ya someday, love. I'm getting all tingly thinking about you and the kisses. God, man, what you do to me!
Love, JJ
Silk Degrees. Now I remember. Thanks.
You know darlin I used to say stuff like "Nobody really likes opera, everyone just pretends to like it so folks will think they're cultured"...I think I have changed my mind about that.. In fact I know I have. You are for real. No pretences. So if you like it, then I now believe so do others. I have a feeling you're gonna make me grow in the way I look at things. I like that.
Your Rick James secret is safe with me sweetheart. But ashamed of owning Rod Stewart CD? I liked his early stuff. When I was younger I thought Sinatra was for old folks, but I've come to appreciate him. When I was a kid I remember my parents had this Sarah Vaughn album with the song, A Foggy Day (in London Town) that for whatever reason caught my ear & I've never forgotten it. Aja & Pretzel Logic are only 2 Steely Dan LP's I ever owned, but a friend made me their Greatest Hits CD. She's a huge fan & assumes everyone is, or should be. I can take or leave some of their stuff. I think my favorite song by them is probably Rikki Don't Lose That Number. Earth Wind & Fire are A-ok in my book, can't say they are in my top 10, but I wouldn't turn the dial if one of their tunes came on the radio. I'd probably be tapping my foot to the beat. I'm not much of a dancer, though I am often dragged to the dance floor at weddings & other formal functions. I don't think I embarrass myself too badly. I got a little pang of jealousy there thinking about you at those dance clubs...but not for why you might think. I just wish I was one of the guys on the wall. Someday when we have our first dance [think positive] let's make it a long slow one so we can hold each other really close.
I heard plenty of rap when my kids were in middle & high school. Some of it was ok. Most of it was just repetitious trash as far as I could tell. I remember the first time I asked one of my boys "You call that music??" I thought...damn today I am officially...not young anymore. I bet you thought I'd say old, ha! Never.
That's nice that you were able to travel & spend time with your Dad. My Dad passed away 4 years ago. He was always so healthy & fit. Then one day they told him he had cancer. He was gone 7mos later.
Wed & Thur eh? Damn. We'll work around that. I already spend a lot of time missing you. Like every minute of everyday.
You have no idea the smile that comes to my face when I see that the post count goes up one [and sometimes two!] I know you've left me a love note :-)
Hon, I gotta go eat dinner but I'll be back tonight. Till later my love.
BTW, my favorite Streisand duet was with Vince Gill. Here's a snippet of the lyrics.
When I fall, you're my place to land.
I lose my touch, you're my hands,
The one I hold on to.
If you run out of reason to try
I'll love enough for both you and I
I'll be the one you can run to.
I'd rather go through any pain love puts us through
Than to spend one day without you by my side.
If you ever leave me, will you take me with you?
If you're ever lonely, I wanna be lonely too.
My home's beside you, no matter where you may go.
My love's inside you, even more than you know.
Hi darlin,
Sorry, I wanted to get back here sooner but the W needed the computer.
Now my candy kiss story.
I like junk food, candy, cake cookies, ice cream...but I rarely touch the stuff being I'm sort of a heath nut, well except for the cigs of course. I think I eat well & workout hoping I'll negate what my bad habit is doing to me. But I miss the junk. Well after the reports came out saying dark chocolate was actually good for you, & just 2 candy kisses a day helped blood pressure among other good things, I used that as an excuse to include chocolate in my diet...strictly for medicinal purposes of course ;-)
So anyway to make a long story longer...I keep a jar full of Dark Chocolate Hersey Candy Kisses on my desk at work. And everyday, usually late in the afternoon I pop 4 in my mouth [one at a time!] And to make them last longer I suck on them rather than chew them.
Anyway I had just popped one in my mouth when I started reading your post...so there I am slowly sucking on the candy kiss when I get to the lyrics you left about having candy kisses for my lips. It got me so hot I almost swallowed & choked on the candy kiss that was in my mouth. I mean what were the chances I'd have a candy kiss in my mouth when you sent me those lyrics?? I bet you know what I'd rather have in my mouth. Well your tongue for starters but then...
Well enough of that. I know we probably have privacy here, but I don't feel as comfortable writing certain things like we did during the weekend. Actually I've typed a few dirty thoughts, then ended up deleting them. Like that first dance I want with you. It was a lot more descriptive when I first wrote it...but I censored myself. I really need one of your full of love chocolate candy kisses right about now darlin.
I'll be back shortly my love. I think I need some air.
P.S. I was just thinking about this Beatle song [off their White Album] that I always found sad, yet hopeful. It's basically about knowing your true love is out there but you haven't met them yet. You know darlin, music & lyrics suddenly mean a lot to me. They say stuff I'm thinking but express it more perfectly than I can. Anyway the song is "I Will". I think I could have been singing this years ago about you...
Who knows how long I've loved you
You know I love you still
Will I wait a lonely lifetime
If you want me to--I will.
For if I ever saw you
I didn't catch your name
But it never really mattered
I will always feel the same.
Love you forever and forever
Love you with all my heart
Love you whenever we're together
Love you when we're apart.
And when at last I find you
Your song will fill the air
Sing it loud so I can hear you
Make it easy to be near you
For the things you do endear you to me
How you know I will
I will.
Honey, if I saw you on that wall, I'd have asked you to dance straight away. But you wouldn't have been there since you aren't the player type. :-0). But of course that's one thing I like about you. I've always liked that about you. I loves me some straight arrows. I've never been attracted to bad boys. Too much drama. And I'm too logical for that.
Now that doesn't sound like the romantic girl you know, right? Well, I am very romantic, but more in the old fashioned vein, except I require absolute egalitarianism in a relationship. Otherwise I'm not there. But you know what? It's usually always the nice guys that are naturally egalitarian. I don't dig guys that take things for granted and nice guys don't tend to do that either. I guess I'm saying that I not only think you are like super hot, but also nice, easy to be around and as I mentioned before, I like your confidence. It's refreshing and tells me you are probably not an insecure jerk. Maybe just a regular, conceited jerk.........kidding!!!!! :-0)
Okay, my rap is not rap the kids are bound to listen to. So you're safe there. Just wanted to get that out of the way. Didn't want you to get the wrong impression, 'kay? And shame on you for posting lyrics that made me tear up, bad man!!!!!!Okay, kidding again. I'm a sucker for love. You are too apparently. But what can you say about two damn desperate lovesick desperados? :-0) That's the way we roll.
Now were you really in pain last night? You probably had a good time at your outing, right? Was it with family - your boys or another couple? I hope it wasn't with Dick and Jane Pretentious :-0), (that was very cute). I'm gonna guess it wasn't. But I think that's one area where we might differ. I'm not much of a joiner or socializer. Being abstract and an introvert, I'm frankly not interested in a lot of things other people are interested in. You seem like you may be more socially inclined is all. I don't get energy from other people - meaning that I like people, but I have to limit my time around them. Now that is unless they are very close to me. And I'm pretty choosy about who gets close. I hope that didn't sound weird or arrogant. Let's just say when you're in with me, you're really in. (Now you can come in anytime, God that made me shiver). :-). Oooh. Wow. Smiling. Blushing a bit. The extroversion on the board is usually quite enough for me. And I even have to limit that.
Speaking of that board, I hope the colonel doesn't quit being irreverant. I love it when people are irreverant. I like being that way myself. I probably have offended some with more delicate sensibilites, but I think most of the regulars get me. I hope so. One day I thought I offended the colonel and was really pissed at myself. But I think he's about like me in that department. I don't even get offended when I should :-0). Later, I'll say to myself, damn, I probably should have been offended. Of course I don't like people being rude or crude for the hell of it. Ideas don't usually offend me, but stupidity does :-)
Alright, now I have to get supper on the table here pretty soon. Then my H and I go to the community Center for a work out. But I'm gonna pop in here before we leave. See ya later, sweetness. Love you too. JJ
Hi darlin,
Guess we missed each other but now you have two posts to read when you get back from your workout. I can just picture how cute you look in your shorts & probably a tank top. The other day the W and I took a walk down High St [according to Yankee magazine High St has been rated one of the top 10 prettiest streets in America] Its Newburyport's main drag... it's a tree lined street with brick sidewalks & victorian, federalist & colonial style homes. It is pretty. Anyway this couple jogged past us. The woman was a cutie. She was petite with honey colored hair & I instantly thought of you. And I couldn't take my eyes off her. It made me ache a little. You were already on my mind, but now it was as if you were right there on the sidewalk running past me. What can I say darlin? I got it bad...
I think I always kind of knew you were a romantic, even when you were being feisty.. And now I know for sure. It's just one of the many things I find really endearing about you. I try to come off tough on the outside but with you I feel comfortable showing you my softer, sensitive side. In fact with you I think I'm getting downright gooey ;-)
We went to a cookout at friends who live on Plum Island [we just usually refer to it as The Island] Half of The Island is in Newburyport, the other half is in Newbury. And it's connected to the mainland by a bridge. Was I really in pain? Yup. I couldn't get you outta my head. I kept thinking how I wished you were with me. So I drank more than I should have. I guess to dull my thoughts. I almost told one of my buddies about you. But I didn't think he'd understand. He would have probably just said it was a meaningless anonymous on-line flirtation. Hey if this weren't happening to me that's what I'd probably tell someone too. How can I even try to explain this to anyone but you? Hell I can't even define it to myself. But it's there. And it's real. And it alternately makes me happy, then miserable.'
I was really a social animal when I was younger. Very extroverted. I still am at times, but I think I began being a tad introverted after I reached my 40's. Now I still socialize, but we turn down more invitations than we used to. Sometimes I'd rather just stay home & read a book. I enjoy my own company. I don't get lonely when I'm alone. But, if something comes up that sounds like fun, I'm there.
Don't worry about the Colonel. Right now he's licking his wounds. But some thread or some poster [probably AA] will set him off. He won't be able to help himself.
You know I think I only posted on the current threads once today. All I wanted to do was chat with you. If a thread doesn't show some promise of a little humor it doesn't seem to interest me.
Well darlin, I'm gonna go fire up an evil cig. I'll be back soon my love.
Think I'll try & visualize someone taking a shower after her workout. But who?
Hey sweet darlin,
I'm exhausted so I'm heading to bed. Wish it were your bed. Think about me kissing you all over.
Sweet dreams love.
Okay, I'm trying to type something here and I keep getting interrupted by my H. He keeps coming in and asking me if I want so and so on my Ipod. God bless him he is so task oriented. I do like that but sometimes he drives me crazy with his insistence on getting stuff done right now. Like when I'm trying to type a love letter to my cyber BF :-0), how dare he? :-0) Okay right now I'm laughing because it's all so ridiculous. This whole situation is so.....what? I don't know. Improbable, ridiculous, insane, not to mention wonderful, exhilerating, beautiful and confusing. Okay, not that confusing. I know what I'm doing and I absolutely do not want to stop. Are we having an affair? I don't like characterizing it that way, but man. I think I've fallen for you and I can't stop thinking about you and I want you like 24/7. I imagine every possible scenario and you are with me doing all sorts of stuff. Not everything is sexual either. The other day I was your golf caddy :-0). Okay now that's pretty funny, huh?
Damn, man. You are addictive. I can't wait to hear from you. I too love it when I see the post count go up. And you know, we do seem to be very in sync.
Are you that nice guy I think you are. I hope I'm not projecting or assigning qualities to you that aren't real. So tell me if I'm on the right track. I kind of already knew you might be a bit extraverted. At least more so than me - but then who isn't? I have to give myself credit though. I've always thought of myself as a loner type, a very friendly loner, but still a loner. And I'm not shy at all. That's what people don't understand about loners. We like our own company and are rarely lonely. But lately here I am being quite the extrovert. Like when we went to see my stepdaughter and her fiance and all the in laws. Why, damn, I was just being quite the little extrovert. But I can only keep that up so long. I do have to admit though that I am pretty funny :-0) I do have a very evolved sense of humor.
Anyway, I can't stay here. Too many looky loos (my cats is giving me the eye too :-0)) Hell, I can't even type to my BF without getting the evil eye from kitty. Damn!!!Or is that my conscience talking, nah! Who am I kidding. That sounded bad, huh? Okay, I'm laughing again. I do crack myself up sometimes. At times on the board I'll be laughing so hard, I wonder if my insanity is coming through. It probably is when you all think I'm drunk. Especially you, asshole! Okay I shouldn't have said that. But I just felt it in me. What are you gonna do to me anyway? How about a spanking? Light and sweet, please. Damn. I'm not even drunk and I'm out of control. It's all your damn fault! Or is it watching that stupid Republican Convention when I was at the community Center. Okay that's what has me unhinged.
That story about the chocolate kisses can not be true. Did that really happen. Or are you punking me big time? I think it's true, but it's so amazing. What's gonna happen next I wonder? I'll be eating pizza and you post lyrics to Dean Martin singing "That's Amore"? Okay, I'm having way too much fun here. And I did say I had to scoot, right. Okay, girl calm the hell down. You love him and that's all there is to it. It can not be helped. Please just go with it for now.
Okay, I'd better go in ernest this time. You're probably wondering where the hell I am. Where I am is crazy (about you). And I can't wait until tomorrow to see you again. I'm one ditzy broad tonight, I hope you don't think I'm high, okay just on you. Love you, your JJ
Two posts to wake up to. Man I'm in heaven here :-)
Hey darlin I was waking up just as you were posting this morning. I get up everyday at 5:30, turn on the local news. Pour my first cup of coffee. Fire up the computer. Usually I don't sit right away to check my e-mail or the goings on at MMFA....but these days I do. And I go right to our "private thread" hoping to hear from you. I love it when I find something. Normally I can't reply right then, the W is usually too close by. So I read, smile, tingle. then go about my morning routine. At 6:00 I switch the tv channel to Morning Joe. I love that show [why do I bet I'm gonna get a dig here about watching too many of these kind of programs]
I'm bummed that I missed you last night, wish I'd stayed up a tad longer, but maybe it's better this way, the best I could have offered after midnight would have been a short but sweet reply, telling you I'm nuts about you [yeah yeah tell you something you don't already know] & that I would write in the morning when my thoughts would be a lot clearer. Then I would have wished you sweet dreams. I'm a morning person, always have been. Though when I was younger I could burn the candle at both ends pretty successfully. But my thoughts have always been less tangled up in the AM.
Now first dilemma. Do I write one long reply to both posts. Or two long replies to each post. Ha! no dilemma really. One would get to you quicker, but I was like a kid on Christmas morning when I found you'd left 2...so my sweet darling, 2 you'll get in return.
Your posts always leave me laughing, lusting, loving & longing for you. And I love the way you have in expressing your thoughts so openly & honestly. And telling me in bits & pieces the story of your life. Julia [yeah I know that's not your name, & I'm dying to find out what it really is] seriously you should someday consider writing your life story. Your writing style is so damn entertaining & clever. I could picture your kitty giving you the evil eye!
Darlin, I would never punk you. Well yeah I might, but I would tell you in the same post that I had. I do punk folks now & then in "real life"...wait this is real life too, isn't it? Well anyway, I've been told I have a great poker face, so I can get away with it. But I'm never malicious about it, & only do it to folks I like. And I won't let it get so far out of hand that they end up embarrassed or anything. Which is a great segue for me to answer your next question...Am I a nice guy? I'm not sure I won't sound a bit conceited by tooting my own horn here by telling you that yes I am a nice guy. I treat folks the way I'd like to be treated. Which is why I sometimes get a tad fired up at posters at our home away from home. If someone pokes at me, I'm gonna swing back. And yes I know you've witnessed that.
The candy kisses story is true, I mean darlin if I was gonna make something up, I'd hope it would be a lot more clever. Let me put it this way. I have 4 candies every afternoon. I'm sure they've been melting in my mouth as I read your posts before...it's just the timing yesterday was too funny.
Ok, I don't wanna go over my word count here, so I'm gonna post this. I'll reply to your second post later this morning cause I have to leave for work. I generally am at the office between 9-6...but I'm not on a time clock, I am on salary, & I can put more or less hours in depending on the what's sitting on my desk. I'm running pretty late this morning...but I'll make it up on the other end.
I wish I could have with you last night in the shower, lathering your entire body with soap. Softly sudsing up those beautiful ladies, then reaching between your legs. Lingering there. Then lifting you up, your legs around my waist. Entering you slowly. Thrusting. First gently, then harder. Damn, I'm needing you woman! Not just that way. I hope you know that. I love your mind, that's one reason your posts are so special to me.
I'll be back here asap to reply to post#2. Till later my beautiful lady
I'm callin' the popo (police) on you, dude! You should be illegal :-0) Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! again, how DO you do it? You really are a morning person. Me, not so much. Right now I am bleary eyed and will have to wake up some more before I get rolling on a proper post. I hope you can wait for my sorry butt until then. Love, your JJ
Good morning my beautiful man of steel, Your cute little magnet reporting for duty :-0).
You see the time stamp here, lover. Yes, it's really like 4 am here in Texas. So what am I doing up? I can't sleep is the simple answer of course. And I had a few things on my mind.
I was a bit worried that my last post, the one above this might have sounded kind of cavalier, towards my marriage I mean. I can assure you, and I don't even think I need to tell you (but will anyway), that I don't take my marriage for granted. I don't think you do either. We haven't stayed married this long by doing that. So if I sounded cavalier, well.....I just wanted to set the record straight.
And I was a bit distracted last night so I didn't address some stuff you brought up in your previous post. One was my workout outfit. I'll give you the 411 here. I usually wear cropped pants instead of shorts and a tight t-shirt. I like the shirt to be kind of tight for the purpose of not having sweat rolling down my arms (not to be sexy :-0)) Of course it doesn't hurt to look sexy but I'm not trying to do that.
Now about your love of sweets (besides me). I also love sweets, but am a bit insulin resistant. That means I rarely touch them. Maybe an ice cream every month or so. I really can't tolerate them on a steady basis and you already know from reading my stuff (?), well not sure you have actually, that I am into healthy food. I buy organic when I can and am very well versed on nutrition (another of my geek like habits). I do fasts every year (some have been as long as 21 days - raw juice fasts - but this year I did only 14 days in March. That one was raw juice for the 1st like 4 days, then solid foods afterward interspersed with the juice. I make my own juices of course and have some really good recipes. I also drink green juices (probiotics), although they taste terrible. Yuck. I stress lots of raw food even when eating normally. But I'm not extreme. My favorite meal is a bloody organic steak and salad with lots of good stuff in it.
Okay, enough of that. I pegged you pretty well that one day when I said you were sweet, but with some rough edges. I know you're kind of pugilistic at times (what I lovingly refer to your fistycuffing :-0)). I haven't said that in a while. But honey, I know you're goo on the inside. I've seen your heart and I like it. I knew it was there all along. Remember way back when we were arguing about cons/libs and the labels. You were so darn stubborn, I finally said that I was going to put a stick in my eye? Well, you laughingly came back and said something funny and eased the tension. That was when I started liking you. I decided a vain, stubborn, good looking guy with a sense of humor was okay. That started it for me, love. :-0)
I like that Beatles song above. I think I may have heard it before but it didn't register much at the time. I had no story like that then. But I do see the relevance now of course. I like it (and you). Okay I more than like you. You know that by now. And speaking of feelings, that sexy stuff you write to me turns me inside out. I really like it when you intersperse your comments with sexy stuff, God!!!!!!!!!!!You REALLY made my day on Monday with that stuff you wrote (you know the future "code" words). Wow.
I am saying that alot these days. Just wow. You are blowing me away! It's started to rain here and I have to go collect my kitty from outdoors, but I am so anxious to hear from you. Love you until then, sweetheart, Your JJ
My beautiful man of steel...your cute little magnet. Man you are so damn cute! And it tells me you store away everything I write. You really know how to make a guy feel good :-)
Honey, I know you have a good marriage & that you don't take it for granted. Me too. So what are we doing? I don't have a clue. Your H is a lucky guy, & he must be a pretty great guy too. He won your heart. Of course I mean to steal you away. I think. Yes those are my pie in the sky plans. Sometimes they don't seem too farfetched, & that is what has me going just a little nuts.
Are we having an affair? Well, yeah we are. An emotional affair. I've heard about those. Sometimes they eventually get physical, sometimes not. But we are emotionally stepping out on our spouses. So why aren't I guilt-ridden over that? I've never sought out an emotional or physical relationship with anyone I actually spend time with...in the flesh. So what is it about you? Maybe you're "safe", maybe because I can't touch you physically, I'm not worried about breaking my wedding vows. But... if I could touch you, what would I do?
If we ever decided to meet face to face, what would our expectations be? My gut tells me we would never let this get that far without knowing in advance that we would end up in each others arms. But how far would we go? Kissing? Hugging? Heavy petting...I think if any of what I just wrote happen, we wouldn't be able to stop. Not after what we've written here to each other. We'd make love. Passionate crazy love. Then what? Would we simply hug & kiss goodbye, & thank each other for the most incredible night of our lives. Saying stuff like had we met in another lifetime we would be together. Hon, I think I'd rather never make love to you than to make love to you & say goodbye.
So I'm sitting here asking myself what the hell we are doing? And I'm so torn up that I could pull my hair out...of course I have great hair, so I wouldn't really want to do that [hey I have to inject some humor here or I'm gonna go off my rocker]
You know all of a sudden I'm remembering hundreds of songs I haven't thought about or heard in ages. My brain is like a jukebox. All these love songs popping into my head. All of them reminding me of you. So I'm gonna calm down & tell myself to slow down. Don't worry about the future right this minute. Take it day by day. Tell myself anything is possible. Including a lifetime with you.
This morning I woke up with this really dorky song in my head. I mean I was singing it quietly to myself. And I knew why it was on my lips. Now don't laugh at me darlin.
Last night, I turned out the light, lay down and thought about you
I thought about the way that it could be
Two o'clock, wondering' what I'm doing' here alone without you
So I close my eyes and dream you here to me and...
[Chorus:]
I woke up in love this morning
I woke up in love this morning
Went to sleep with you on my mind
I woke up in love this morning
I woke up in love this morning
Went to sleep with you on my mind
Hello, girl, yes it's five o'clock I know but you just listen
There's something that I've got to let you know
This is you, this pillow that I'm huggin' and I'm kissin'
And one more thing before I let you go...
[Chorus]
I woke up in love this morning
I woke up in love this morning
Went to sleep with you on my mind
I woke up in love this morning
I woke up in love this morning
Went to sleep with you on my mind
Do dreams come true, well if they do, I'll have you
Not just for a night, but for my whole life through
[Repeat chorus to fade]
Oh man. Just as I posted my last thing to you, we got a phone call from my SIL saying that my FIL had died. Well he was 84 and had a long and good life. He was a bit of a character and frustrated people to no end. But he died peacefully after about 2 years of roller coaster ups and downs with a strange blood pressure condition. My H is traveling to Chicago tomorrow and I guess I will just go up for the funeral and back, maybe a day or so. So my morning schedule hasn't been anything like what I thought it was going to be.
Anyway, my FIL's condition has been very grave as of late and we knew he was about to go. This, after many near, possible misses (or emergemcies or whatever). So it wasn't even shocking. Just kind of a fact. I know that later on we'll probably be feeling other things, especially when there's the usual goings on. But I digress.
You know, I knew you were a nice guy. But since I'm a born skeptic, I wanted to make sure. And who better to ask than you, right? Who knows you better than yourself. I usually pay close attention to what people say about themselves and I knew this was you. I don't think I would have been so drawn to you otherwise. :-) And honey, I am very drawn to you.
Well, I know we are having an emotional affair. But I don't feel guilty either. I know we are steady types who won't do anything rash as much as I'd like to sometimes. But maybe, just maybe there's somehing for us. This is quite enough for now. You bring things to me that I treasure and I won't give you up. I can't give you up. You have become important to me in so many ways.
That song "I Woke Up In Love This Morning" has been running in my head. Hey, why the hell are you always in my head? Honey, there's barely enough room in there for me (like you in Snoopy's dog house :-0)). Yeah, it's kind of corny, sure. But so the hell what, I say! It fits. Here's another one:
You'd Think That People Would Have Had Enought Of Silly Love Songs.
But I Look Around Me And I See It Isn't So.
Some People Wanna Fill The World With Silly Love Songs.
And What's Wrong With That?
I'd Like To Know, 'Cause Here I Go Again
I Love You, I Love You,
I Love You, I Love You.
I Can't Explain The Feeling's Plain To Me; Say Can't You See?
Ah, She Gave Me More, She Gave It All To Me
Now Can't You See, What's Wrong With That
I Need To Know, 'Cause Here I Go Again
I Love You, I Love You.
Love Doesn't Come In A Minute,
Sometimes It Doesn't Come At All
I Only Know That When I'm In It
It Isn't Silly, No, It Isn't Silly, Love Isn't Silly At All.
How Can I Tell You About My Loved One?
How Can I Tell You About My Loved One?
How Can I Tell You About My Loved One?
(I Loveyou)
How Can I Tell You About My Loved One?
(I Loveyou)
Gawd, I can't believe I just went there with that song. :-0) Now I know there's something wrong. Now you are infecting me with your song disease. I'm thinking about some song by the Grassroots, something about getting a doctor to cure somebody in love or some such nonesense (not nonesense really). We both have the fever. But I don't wanna get cured :-0)
How did you know Julia wasn't my real name? I did tell you one day in a post you never responded to, but I thought you never saw it. That was back when we were playing chicken that one day that I posted my email address. I left 2 or 3 posts and I never got a response. It made me blue. But I figured you never saw it. Anyway, answer the question, sir. How did you know and what do you suppose my real name is? And after thinking of me as Julia and using the name liberally for so long now, do you really want to know? It's a very nice name BTW. I think you would like it very much. I will give you a clue. It's a diminuative form of Elizabeth. That should get you started. But the name JJ is very important to me for reasons I will not state here. And I like the name. So if you want to think of me as JJ, that's cool too. It has meaning to me.
You know I have been so horny this morning after that little risque addendum you left me this morning. God,man. You know how to drive me crazy. I really love it. Thank you. Thank you for a lot of things actually. I appreciate you more by the day. Right about now, I would love to lock eyes with you, breathe you in and just run my fingers through your beautiful hair. I knew you must have good hair. I never doubted it. Very sexy. And your brain is sexy too. I like it immensely.
I'm gonna try to post this and see if this thread is still active. If not, I've copied it to go into our new place. I guess I'd better go for now. I'm thinking of you constantly. And loving you too. Your JJ
Hi darlin,
I kinda of thought something must have come up. Sorry to hear about your FIL. A long life is a blessing, but quality of that life is important. Not gonna get too much into religion here, but I do believe in God & heaven. Or I think I do. Yeah I think I do. I just don't know if this belief is an anchor for me or a crutch. Does that make sense? I was raised a Catholic, but I only set foot in church these days for weddings or funerals. Ok, I'm drifting off topic here [oops sounds like me on a regular thread] I'm just glad you're ok, I'll admit I was starting to worry.
I'm never going to give you up, so I'm happy to hear you feel the same. Good, I'm glad we've at least got that part of "Us" settled. We'll play the rest by ear. All I know is my life would be empty if you ever vanish from it. If there's more for us, we'll get there. Together.
How did I know your name wasn't Julia? Mmmmm, should I tell you or keep you guessing. Nah, I wouldn't do that. I did see that post you left telling me that if I had the guts to e-mail you I'd find out your real name. I'm not sure why I didn't respond. I was probably too chicken & I guess dear heart you had me flustered. However, I did copy & paste your e-mail address into my contact list, for future reference. When you least expect it, expect it...
Up until that point you & I were only playing cyber-footies. Suddenly the flirting went to another whole level. You called my bluff. I should have known you would. You have always been my feisty lady.
I wouldn't mind knowing your real name. After all you only knew me as jeter for a long while. Granted that's not a first name, but is knowing my name is Michael make a huge difference? So JuliaJayne is your MMFA moniker. I could get used to your real one. I would still refer to you as Julia on the current threads, & even on our private ones if you preferred :-)
Ok is your name...Beth? Betsy? Liza? Liz? Betty?
Yes hon we are two silly lovesick desperate desperadoes. I'm leaving Partridge Family lyrics, & you're posting McCartney's silliest lyrics. Ha! We are quite the pair :-)
Darlin, I'm crazy about you. I picture all the stuff we could be doing together, not just that stuff. But just everyday stuff. I think we'd have fun just hanging out. You make me smile, & you make me happy, & I want to know everything about you...that you're willing to share.
The thought of you running your fingers through my hair & looking into your eyes is making me crazy. I'd move heaven & earth if I could to get to you this minute. I want my lips on yours. I want to pull you into me. I better stop. I've got to leave my office in a few minutes. Ha! Me all horney would be quite a sight :-O
I'll check in later. Take care my sweet lady. I'm thinking of you always. xxxooo
Okay, I mentioned last night (or maybe this morning) that I may not be able to spend so much time here. In fact I too have to leave for a few hours to go into Dallas. God, your words are better than music. I love hearing them. And btw, Lisa is my name. It's not a nickname, but my entire first name. I mention it because I used to be business partners with an Elizabeth who called herself Lisa. :-0)
I wish I could stay. I am thinking of another song. Maybe, maybe I'll post it later (or not- woman's preogative and all). Yeah, use that when it's convenient. But us broads and dames can get awaywith that stuff, right? Especially if you love us - I hope. Later, my love. Your JJ (or whatever now). I'll keep JJ here. For now.
I love the name Lisa. Michael & Lisa. Jeter & Julia. It's all good :-)
Drive carefully hon. Till later. Loving you my sweet lady Julia/Lisa.
Your Jeter/Mike xxxooo
PS You know you want to post those lyrics, stop playing coy ;-)
It's loney here without you. I don't even feel like going to plat with the kids on the current threads.
See ya later [I hope!] I don't want to go to bed without us saying goodnight to each other...
Love ya hon, Mike