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Wallace did not ask McCain about ethics investigation into "reformer" Palin

August 31, 2008 7:14 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace did not ask Sen. John McCain about the current ethics investigation of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, despite McCain's statement that Palin is "a reformer" and that his selection of her as his vice-presidential running mate "brings a spirit of reform and change that is vital now in our nation's capital."

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On the August 31 broadcast of Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace did not ask Sen. John McCain about the current ethics investigation of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, despite McCain's statement that Palin is "a reformer" and that his selection of her as his vice-presidential running mate "brings a spirit of reform and change that is vital now in our nation's capital."

The New York Times reported on August 29 that Palin recently became the subject of an ethics investigation "into whether Ms. Palin had fired a top law enforcement official [Walter Monegan] in her administration because he had failed to dismiss a state trooper who was involved in a divorce with Ms. Palin's sister." The Times reported that McCain's "campaign is portraying her [Palin] as a champion of ethics reform for taking on members of her own party whom she saw as beholden to special interests. But just a few weeks ago she became the subject of a state ethics investigation." According to the Times, "[t]he inquiry by the Legislature centers on what Mr. Monegan later described as pressure from members of Ms. Palin's administration and her husband, Todd, to fire Mr. [Mike] Wooten [Palin's former brother-in-law]. The governor herself also raised the subject of Mr. Wooten with him, Mr. Monegan has said." The Times reported that Palin "initially denied there had ever been pressure applied to Mr. Monegan," but later "disclosed [that] there had been more than two dozen inquiries from members of her staff to the public safety department about" Wooten. From the Times:

As part of her efforts to demonstrate that she welcomed the Legislature's inquiry, Ms. Palin asked the state's attorney general to look into the accusations as well. Ms. Palin initially denied there had ever been pressure applied to Mr. Monegan.

This month, however, she released an audio recording of a top aide's questioning of a police lieutenant about why no action had been taken against Mr. Wooten. Ms. Palin also disclosed there had been more than two dozen inquiries from members of her staff to the public safety department about him, but she said she had played no role in the inquiries.

Excerpts of the audio recording released by the governor showed Frank Bailey, the state's director of boards and commissions, pushing Lt. Rodney Dial in February about Mr. Wooten.

"Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, 'Why on earth hasn't this, why is this guy still representing the department?' " Mr. Bailey said to the lieutenant.

Additionally, an August 31 Washington Post article reported that after Palin "took office in December 2006," she "appointed Monegan, who'd just retired as Anchorage police chief after five years, to be public safety commissioner, a cabinet position. In January 2007, Palin's husband, Todd, a commercial fisherman, oil company worker and champion snowmobile racer who was now first gentleman of Alaska, invited Monegan to the governor's office. Todd Palin asked Monegan to look into the Wooten matter. Monegan did and later told Todd there was nothing he could do because the matter was closed." According to the Post, Monegan claimed "that Palin called him a few days later on his cellphone, and that he told her the same thing. She brought it up again in February 2007 in the state capitol building and Monegan warned her to stay at arm's length. Monegan said Palin mostly backed off, but kept raising the matter indirectly through e-mails. In the fall of 2007, Monegan said he alerted her to a bad jury verdict against a trooper in rural Alaska, and she replied by mentioning Wooten, but not by name." The Post also reported that after repeated phone calls regarding Wooten from members of Palin's staff, "Monegan became more concerned and warned each caller about exposing the state to litigation from Wooten. ... Meanwhile, Todd Palin continued to collect evidence against his former brother-in-law and lobbied for his dismissal, records and interviews show." The Post reported that "State Sen. Hollis French (D) said that both Republicans and Democrats authorized the hiring of a former prosecutor to determine whether Palin 'used her public office to settle a private score' " and that "[t]he legislative report is due in October."

From the August 31 broadcast of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Let's start with your choice of a running mate. Of all the people you could have chosen, of all the Republicans leaders you've known for years -- straight talk -- can you honestly say that Sarah Palin is the best person to put a heartbeat away from the presidency?

McCAIN: Oh, yeah. She's a partner and a soul mate. She -- she's a reformer. I don't particularly enjoy the label "maverick," but when somebody takes on the old bulls in her own party, runs against an incumbent governor of her own party, stands up against the oil and gas interests -- I mean, they really are so vital to the economy of her -- of the state of Alaska.

I mean, it's remarkable. It's a remarkable person, and I've watched her record and I've watched her for many, many years as she implemented ethics in lobbying reforms. And, I mean, she led on it. She didn't just vote for it. She led it. I've seen her take on her own party.

Look, one thing I know is that when you take on your own party in Washington, you pay a price for it. You do. You pay a price for it. And she's taken on the party in her own state. She take -- she took on a sitting governor and defeated him. And so I've -- I'm so pleased and proud because this is a person who will help me reform Washington and change the way they do business. And that's what Americans want.

WALLACE: But let me ask you --

McCAIN: Sure.

WALLACE: -- about the concerns that a lot of voters --

McCAIN: Sure.

WALLACE: -- who had never heard of Sarah Palin before yesterday are asking. Compared to, say, Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman, why is Governor Palin superior in dealing with national security and foreign policy?

McCAIN: Look, those people you talk about, Joe and Tom Ridge and Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, they're wonderful people, and I'm grateful for the opportunity that I've had to know them and work with them. But look, what this brings is a spirit of reform and change that is vital now in our nation's capital.

Eighty-four percent of the American people think the country's on the wrong track. In our party, we have corruption. We have former members of Congress residing in federal prison. So, it's not surprising to me that we've seen an incredible invigoration around our party and around the nation, not just Republicans, but Democrats. And by the way, in the last day and a half or whatever it's been, we have raised $4 million on the Internet. I wish I'd have taken her a month ago.

WALLACE: But you have said that the existential threat we face, the threat to --

McCAIN: Sure.

WALLACE: -- our existence, is Islamic terrorism. Foreign policy is job one for the commander in chief.

McCAIN: Sure.

WALLACE: You have criticized Obama as being, quote, "dangerously unprepared" to be president. In the sense of national security and foreign policy specifically, isn't Sarah Palin even more dangerously unprepared?

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    • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 7:21 pm ET)
         

      WALLACE: ... (C)an you honestly say that Sarah Palin is the best person to put a heartbeat away from the presidency?

      McCAIN: Oh, yeah. She's a partner and a soul mate.

       

      Not necessarily what I would look for in a VP choice.

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        • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 7:39 pm ET)
             
          Someone should archive this in case of certain incidents during his presidency.
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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 01, 2008 1:21 pm ET)
               
            Isn't it a little creepy that a married, 72-year-old man is calling a married, 44-year-old woman his partner and soulmate, after meeting her once??
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 31, 2008 9:27 pm ET)
             

          "Watched her for many, many years?!?!?!?!?" WTF ?!?!?!? She has been a Govenor for 20 MONTHS.

          LOL

          McCain only met Sarah Palin 1 time, last February.

          He called her on Sunday to discuss the VP slot and invited Palin and her husband to formally make the VP offer on Thursday.

          I truly believe that in the coming month, the world will find out exactly what McCain's VP pick was really about. First and foremost was pandering to the religious right. Secondly, getting a few still unhappy Hillary supporters. I think they've scratched that idea since Palin got booed when she mentioned Hillary's name.

          McCain would have been better off with Lieberman, at least folks would believe he likes him.

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          • Author by watershed (August 31, 2008 9:54 pm ET)
               

            Exactly. It's a double pander. They thought they could get the religious right AND some PO'ed Hillary voters simultaneously.

            Quite literally the MOST cynical choice he could possibly have made, and this is the guy the call the "maverick". Astounding.

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          • Author by roundhouse (August 31, 2008 10:33 pm ET)
               
            Palin is the clear choice if, like McCain, you're looking to motivate the right-wing authoritarian base. Palin is the prototypical cruel right-winger. She is fine with making rapists fathers. She would force victims of rape and incest to carry a fetus conceived in violence to term. If the woman chose not to make her rapist a father and abort the impregnation, Sarah Palin has a plan for her. Prison.

            She is dangerous and should be dealt with as a tough, cunning opponent. To underestimate her is to make exact same mistake we made with Bush II.

            America has always been about moving onward and upward but Palin's vision for our future is not progress, it is not change.
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            • Author by annes10 (September 01, 2008 12:08 am ET)
                 

              I agree. This choice of McCain's gives me the creeps. There's not an adjective to adequately describe the depth of McCain's calculated and cynical mental processes that led to his selection of Gov Palin for VP candidate.

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              • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 10:22 am ET)
                   
                Truly cynical.

                If he thinks Hillary supporters will cozy up to this religious zealot of a running mate then he truly, deeply, cynically believes Hillary and her supporters are stooges without conviction.

                Hillary is a champion for women's rights and was ready to assume the responsibilities of the office of the president from jump. Palin, with her rapist bill of rights, would eliminate the rights of women to choose who the father of their children will be. Palin simply lacks the ability to do the job in the very real event that McCain's health will not sustain him through the stresses of the job.
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          • Author by worrierking (August 31, 2008 10:47 pm ET)
               
            Am I the only one who thinks Joe Leiberman is way hotter than Palin?
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        • Author by my4cents (August 31, 2008 10:07 pm ET)
             

          " I've seen her take on her own party"

          and which party would that unnamed party be? McCain and Palin's.

           

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        • Author by Brabantio (August 31, 2008 11:30 pm ET)
             

          That is classic.  McCain's staff must have done a choreographed face-palm when he said that.

          I think I'm starting to get an idea of how the vetting process went:

          "OK Lieberman's out, Obama didn't pick Clinton...Quick, someone find me a woman.,,No, I mean for a mate...I mean a running mate...someone Dobson will like...Sarah WHO?...OK, whatever...No, I don't want to see her bio, just give me a brief overview...mother, PTA, beauty contestant, reformer, religious nut...Got it, let's roll!"  

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        • Author by armadillo (September 01, 2008 2:36 pm ET)
             
          "I thought the jokes that McCain was looking for his third wife were just that, jokes."

          Carol McCain, former beauty queen, dumped by "family values" McSame after disfiguring car accident at 32

          Cindy McCain, former beauty queen, 54

          Sarah Palin, former beauty queen, 44

          Advice to Cindy: Drive carefully!
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      • Author by Graydogs (August 31, 2008 7:43 pm ET)
           

        Good grief....can you IMAGINE what an uproar there would have been if Senator Kerry had said that about Senator Edwards????....or even Obama and Biden? 

         

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        • Author by Graydogs (August 31, 2008 7:45 pm ET)
             
          ..........Not only that, but he supposedly met her once before choosing her, and now she's a partner and a soul mate?
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          • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
               
            If only the Obama campaign ran an ad featuring that comment. The whining followed by JC on his radio show would be nothing short of phenomenal.
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          • Author by tjwdraws9354 (September 01, 2008 8:25 am ET)
               
            He must have given her the same look Georgie W gave to Putin when he got a good sense of his soul. 
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      • Author by thedailyphosdex (September 02, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
           

        Meanwhile, something worth looking into would have to be Palin's associations with weird and unwholesome elements otherwise known as the Alaska Independence Party, itself having known and notorious connexions to anti-government "militia" and "patriot" types.

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    • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2008 7:50 pm ET)
         
      While I have rather enjoyed returning in kind, I think it's quite outstanding that she started lying about her creds within hours of being announced the VP choice. What kind of ethics does one have to claim she visited alaskan troops in Iraq when she didn't even have a passport to leave the country?
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    • Author by whillenbrand (August 31, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
         

      Hello President Obama, and don't let the door hit you in behind on your way out Senator Mc Cain!  Is this the Harriet Myers selection process?

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      • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2008 8:01 pm ET)
           
        You don't pick the beauty pagent winner based on intelligence and experience...
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          • Author by djasper2761 (August 31, 2008 10:23 pm ET)
               
            I thought she got a call from Larry Flint.  Someone posted McC's buss is heading off a cliff. I don't think it will make it as it just got 4 flat tires. Bring on the debates. It is hilarious listening to the right wing talking heads defending this choice. They would be saying very similar things if McC had chosen a chimp. The right has "lost it" BIG TIME!
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        • Author by Graydogs (August 31, 2008 8:19 pm ET)
             

          Nope, butts apparently:

          ,,,,"Palin was glamorous enough to have entered beauty contests to earn money for college. She was crowned Miss Wasilla in her home town and was runner-up in the 1984 Miss Alaska contest. “They made us line up in bathing suits and turn our backs so the male judges could look at our butts. I couldn’t believe it,” she told Vogue, more amused than outraged......"

           

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          • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2008 8:32 pm ET)
               

            Therin lies the greatest hipocracy yet. I can gaurantee you that right wing conservatives are all coveting her right now. Rush is leading the pack...

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    • Author by whillenbrand (August 31, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
         
      Help me out on this one.... Why in the wide wide world of sports would this be the pick for VP? I just don't get it. A good friend of mine who is ultra right says it was a "gutsy" move, a gamble to unite, and possibly attract the disenfranchised women vote. I say it was pandering.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
           
        I agree. But I don't think the GOP is in Desperation City just yet. All they did right now was add the Hail Mary play to the playbook. Whether or not they have to use it remains to be seen.
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      • Author by Graydogs (August 31, 2008 8:23 pm ET)
           

        Here's on answer

        8-2908 Businessweek interview with Palin:

        Bartiromo: What will your role be at the upcoming convention?


        " I'm doing a pro-life speech. Four months ago, my fifth child was born with Down syndrome…so I value innocent life. It took many months for me to get my arms around the idea of, first, having a fifth child at my age, but also knowing that my child would have an extra chromosome. But I prayed the whole time, "God, just prepare me, prepare my heart and prepare my family." And talk about confirmation of that prayer, I mean, Trig is just—he is to me—absolutely perfect. And everybody's in love with him, and he's the sweetest little baby in the world."

         

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      • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
           
        Speaking of wide world of sports, what kind of idiot schedules the last day of his convention on the opening day of football between the Giants and the Redskins?
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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (August 31, 2008 9:03 pm ET)
             
          No worries. The Deadskins will lose anyway... you won't be missing anything special. :)
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          • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2008 9:11 pm ET)
               

            They'll still draw a larger crowd! ;)

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            • Author by djasper2761 (August 31, 2008 10:38 pm ET)
                 
              rush will be at the convention passing out oxies so there will be plenty of people ther. bush is using the hurricane as an excuse not to go. I think he was told not to show up so... this is the second hurricane the bush administration has created. lol
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (August 31, 2008 11:00 pm ET)
                   
                Bush is in Texas and said he wasn't coming to Louisiana yet because he didn't want to get in the way. Ha... The truth of the matter is that Bush isn't wanted...at least here in New Orleans he's not. And I know McCain didn't want him or Cheney at the convention. W must be kinda lonely these days...  ;>)
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                • Author by djasper2761 (August 31, 2008 11:09 pm ET)
                     
                  w's post presedency speaking engagements will keep him plenty busy. At $25 each he will be raking it in.
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 31, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
             

          Speaking of wide world of sports, what kind of idiot schedules the last day of his convention on the opening day of football between the Giants and the Redskins?

          Correction: DEFENDING SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS NEW YORK GIANTS!

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          • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 10:29 pm ET)
               
            I think I'll watch the game until it's decided (in the event of a blowout), or I'll watch the whole game and catch JC's glorified version the next day.
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      • Author by BottleBlonde (August 31, 2008 8:40 pm ET)
           

        The reason McCain was pushing the "I am a maverick" theme so much was because he knew that the candidate who was seen as the best one to implement change in DC was going to win.

        Obama has taken ownership of being the change candidate. McCain hasn't been a maverick, despite his campaign's desperate attempts to distort reality to prove that he is, and Obama's campaign has been able to knock McCain off that pedestal.

        McCain thinks he can only win if he's put back up on that pedestal, so he had to choose someone far away from DC, far away from being conventional. That's why McCain was trying to say that for "years" she has a history of being an agent of change! He's got to paint her that way. That's why they're pushing the false meme that she was comfortable with not getting the earmark for that bridge to nowhere when the fact is she fully supported the porkbarrel spending that wasn't justifiable - they want her to look like someone who will buck traditional politician behavior. Problem is, she's got her own ethics problem! She's got her own words that show her to be a hypocrite. Like all Republicans.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 31, 2008 8:31 pm ET)
         
      reformer my a$$. she is a hunter on the side, just like Cheney.
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    • Author by loonz (August 31, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
         
      Here's a survey that gives some insight into the way Palin thinks.  She believes the Founders had some involvement with the Pledge of Allegiance.
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    • Author by mikeinmd (August 31, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
         
      Palin, being an almost completely blank slate, can be anything the Republicans want her to be:  gun advocate, anti-choice champion, and very little baggage.  While "the base" may be apprehensive about McCain's recent orthodoxy (don't call it flip-floppin', call it position evolution),  Palin is a true believin' straight arrow. But has Sarah Palin ever gone Parasailin?  Inquiring minds want to know!
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 31, 2008 8:39 pm ET)
           
        Cheney did the same thing when he picked GW.....................think about the parallel
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 31, 2008 9:03 pm ET)
           
        she might just do that as soon as she meets the rest of the family and goes up with senior Bush and joins him in a parachute fest.
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    • Author by czarkhasm (August 31, 2008 9:18 pm ET)
         
      Of course, we all know that Wallace is a hack, even though certainly, he's had his good moments on rare occasions. But, c'mon... if a cub reporter were to be sent to Alaska to do a profile on this woman, surely, the ethics investigation would be amongst a handful of things worth noting, since there's so very little out there about her in the first place.
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    • Author by right-winger (August 31, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
         
      HEY DID YOU SEE THE NEW CNN POLL 49-48 OBAMA. NOW TELL ME AGAIN HOW RACE IS NOT APART OF THIS RACE. IF WHITE PEOPLE WHO LOVE TO SAY THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM AND THANK HE DON'T HAVE EXPREINCE CAN  PUT MCCAIN UP 48 POINTS WHEN HE DID THE SAME THING WITH HIS VP PICK. PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!!! WHITE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PUT THIS WHITE WOMEN IN OFFICE BEFORE THEY PUT A BLACK MAN THERE.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (August 31, 2008 9:56 pm ET)
           
        http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/capslock-717174.jpg
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        • Author by open_mind (August 31, 2008 11:28 pm ET)
             
          Hahaha! Great way to make a point.  The onlything missing is a red arrow pointing to the proper key.
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        • Author by ukobserver (September 01, 2008 4:43 am ET)
             
          Now that, that was funny!!!!
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          • Author by princeofwheels (September 01, 2008 2:50 pm ET)
               
            With any RightWinger, you need one of those O'Reilly Big Arrow flow charts. Dawuss gave a great hint but with any RightWinger, you have to run it thru Limbaugh or one of the goons to make them understand.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:05 pm ET)
             
          Funny!
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 31, 2008 9:59 pm ET)
           
        Mind-boggling ain't it? Sarah Palin could be a laughingstock or our worst nightmare...or both. I have a feeling she will say some really embarrassing things...but that the general reaction from the typical brain dead, right wing Republican will be along the lines of "Well she really told him a thing or two..." They will be too stupid and partisan to even realize they should be embarrassed by Sarah Palin. They'll be proud of her....
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        • Author by djasper2761 (August 31, 2008 10:50 pm ET)
             
          The masses are asses. Old saying and very true. Get into sales and you will see. This is a big joke. The right just smoked way too much of their own poop. What next laura b. as secretary of defense, and lush limpbahahahahah as sec. of state?
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          • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:11 pm ET)
               

            DJ,

            After GW steps down, Laura will run for the Senate from NY and winning office, make a run for the White House.

            Just kidding. Nobody would go for it. ;-) 

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      • Author by annes10 (September 01, 2008 12:24 am ET)
           

        Did you see THIS ONE?

         

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    • Author by jeter2 (August 31, 2008 11:46 pm ET)
         

      If the Republican party were smart they would use McCain's pick of Sarah Palin for VP as grounds to have the Maverick committed to a mental institution & nominate another candidate ;-)

      If this idiotic choice isn't enough to convince voters that McCain is whack job, maybe even dangerously deranged, I don't know what will.

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      • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 10:56 am ET)
           

        Jeter,

        ... And Obama is not a crazy choice by the Democrats? 

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        • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 11:20 am ET)
             
          Nope.

          Obama is an outstanding choice. He makes Republicans look small and petty by comparison.
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          • Author by worrierking (September 01, 2008 11:35 am ET)
               

            You're correct. There's no comparison because Obama is the nominee of the Democratic Party. He's spent the last nineteen months touring the country, introducing himself to the electorate and winning primaries.

            Sarah Palin was appointed by a fearul man who has his parties nomination but not the support of it's base.

            He feels that with this choice, he'll appease his base and pull disatisfied Clinton supporters away from the Democratic Party.

            Just another case for how out of touch Senator McCain is.

            Most of the women I know who were Hilary supporters, were with her because of her positions and life's work, not her genitalia.

            Most women will be insulted by his choice of a woman whose views are so profoundly  opposite Senator Clinton's.

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            • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 11:49 am ET)
                 
              Yep. And beyond that just consider what the Palin pick means.

              The right have been framing Obama is inexperienced yet they pick someone who hasn't even been governor as long as my 2yr old daughter has been alive. That's small.

              They attack Obama's appeal, call him an empty celebrity, yet they pick a beauty pageant contestant. It expose they're attacks as petty.

              The GOP. Small and petty.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 1:07 pm ET)
                   

                Round,

                Any claim of inexperience toward Palin is negated by the inexperience of Obama.

                Both are inexperienced. It is simply that what little experience Obama has, has been on the legislative side while Palin's has been on the executive side.

                Since they are both running for an executive office, Palin has more experience than any of the other three candidates. 

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                  • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
                       

                    Loonz,

                    No doubt your wish will come true in the next few months.

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                    • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
                         
                      It's only eight weeks till the election.  I think they'll either keep her away from these venues or McCain and her will make joint appearances.
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                • Author by open_mind (September 01, 2008 1:30 pm ET)
                     

                  "Since they are both running for an executive office, Palin has more experience than any of the other three candidates." --AA

                  Wow.  I thought you weren't a Kool Aide drinker.  I even defended you the other day.  I see I was wrong.  This "executive experience" stuff is pretty much pointless when you have only been running the 47th largest (by population) state in the country.  I would understand if her state had any power or people in it.  This person is not ready.  I am actually frightened at the prospect of someone who has this little major experience will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  What's-her-name just made Obama look much more attractive.  It actually was a bad enough pick, I am now changing my vote and support to Obama.

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                  • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
                       
                    You forgot to mention that she was the mayor of town of about 5000 people which is slightly more than the student population of the high school I went to.
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
                       

                    Open,

                    Thanks for the defense. You are correct, I enjoy a wide range of beverages. :-)

                    The size in population of Alaska has nothing to do with the argument about executive experience. By your logic iIt would be equally valid to argue that Palin is most qualified because has governed the largest State in terms of square miles.   No matter the number of people in Alaska, Palin has been the executive. None of the other candidates can make a claim to any executive branch experience.

                    Whether Palin is ready or not will be debated. My feeling is she is more ready than Obama. If you disagree, please state what 'experience' Obama has that makes him ready on "day one"? 

                    I find it rather amusing that you are worried about #2 being a heartbeat away when Obama has never run anything nor done anything except get himself elected to the U.S. Senate.


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                    • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
                         

                      By your logic iIt would be equally valid to argue that Palin is most qualified because has governed the largest State in terms of square miles.

                      So your argument is that she governed land.

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                      • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
                           

                        loonz,

                        Apparently you misunderstood.

                        The argument that just because Alaska is 47th in terms of population experience governing it doesn't count is about as logical as saying it is #1 in terms of size does make it count.

                        I hope that cleared it up for you. 

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                        • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
                             
                          It doesn't count.  Anybody can be governor of Alaska.  It doesn't require any special skills or any real leadership.  The only real qualification is being a republican because they won't elect Democrats.
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                    • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 4:30 pm ET)
                         

                      If you disagree, please state what 'experience' Obama has that makes him ready on "day one"?

                      His education and in depth knowledge of the Constitution; showing aggrieved citizens how to petition their government - community organizing;  state legislator and senator of a state that is 23000 times the size of Wasilla and 18 times the size of Alaska; and he was able to hang with the best of them and win a grueling primary.  He is also someone who can articulate his vision for America and knows the issues and challenges facing Americans today, domestically and internationally.

                      Palin, from what I've seen, knows nothing about government and McCain has experience but his erratic judgement, unstable temperament and the fact that he is on the wrong side of every issue negate it.  Both are less qualified than Obama.

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                      • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
                           
                        That should be "2300 times"
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                      • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
                           

                        Loonz,

                        In the resumes I've read, "Experience" and "Education" are in two different categories.  Thanks for proving my point. 

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                        • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
                             
                          You're education is experience if it's in the field your applying for.  Do you think I can get a job as a lawyer even though I have a degree in civil engineering?
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                          • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 6:01 pm ET)
                               
                            Or could I get a job as a lawyer with a degree in criminal law?
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                          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 02, 2008 1:59 am ET)
                               

                            Loonz, I'm sure you've been around here long enough to know that when Anotheramerican says "Thanks for proving my point", it almost always translates as " I'm going to ignore you proving my point wrong, and self-hypnotize myself to a state where  you reinforce my point."

                            But you're nice to humor him.

                             

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                • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
                     

                  Since they are both running for an executive office, Palin has more experience than any of the other three candidates.

                  What are the challenges in Alaska that would require the leadership of a governor?

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                  • Author by djasper2761 (September 01, 2008 2:29 pm ET)
                       
                    Last I heard the 3 Eskimo factions are building IED's and are Being infiltrated by Iran
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                • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
                     
                  "Any claim of inexperience toward Palin is negated by the inexperience of Obama."

                  And vice versa, homey.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
                       
                    But are you going to tell me that McCain isn't a disgusting hypocrite for picking a 20 month old governor and beauty queen after launching his attacks on Obama as inexperienced and an empty celebrity. I suspect you're that type of con. Show me I'm wrong.

                    I mean really, given McCain's age and health, he had an obligation to pick someone with more gravits. Obama recognized that he'll need help from his veep and picked a solid, proven leader in the event that Biden shouild need to step up. What did McCain do? He picked up some religious zealot eye candy to pander to the right-wing authoritarian base.

                    Pathetic that you would even make comparisons.
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                    • Author by roundhouse (September 01, 2008 2:12 pm ET)
                         
                      And don't tell me Palin isn't an extremist. What with her rapist bill of rights, she would give rapists the right to chose the mother of their child while taking away the rights of women to be secure in their own choices.

                      Palin supports criminalizing abortion. What's next? Death sentences for women and the doctors involved in abortions? Death penalties for fertility doctors who wantonly dispose of the extra fertilized eggs that accompany in vitro fertilization.

                      Palin is an extremist.
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                      • Author by roundhouse (September 02, 2008 2:56 am ET)
                           
                        Palin is an extremist and apparently, you, another american, are a sissified right wing partisan lackey.

                        Answer the call, boy. Or are you simply too accustomed to liberals who lack the courage of their convictions to defend against my very real, bone deep assessment?
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                    • Author by albertsenj (September 03, 2008 2:24 am ET)
                         
                      Is there anyone out there who can refute the idea that, if Gov. Palin weren't a woman she wouldn't have even gotten a 2nd look?
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                • Author by BottleBlonde (September 01, 2008 3:22 pm ET)
                     

                  Round,

                  Any claim of inexperience toward Palin is negated by the inexperience of Obama.

                  Both are inexperienced. It is simply that what little experience Obama has, has been on the legislative side while Palin's has been on the executive side.

                  Since they are both running for an executive office, Palin has more experience than any of the other three candidates. 

                   

                  • - anotheramerican / Monday September 1, 2008 1:07:20 PM EDT

                   

                  How you can claim that her executive experience (a couple of years as a mayor of a town that had 5-7000 residents when she was there, and a community left in desperate financial straits by the decisions she made, and 20 months as the governor of a very lightly populated, homogeneous state) somehow qualifies her to claim any experience that's relevant to being President of the United States is baffling!!!

                  On the other hand, Obama has 7 years of service in the Illinois Senate, and 3 1/2 in the US Senate. 10 years of legislative service trumps the time Palin has had 'executive' experience.

                  This is just another example of a rightie falsely claiming that both left and right are equivalent so it gives the right a pass! We've seen that countless times, and the voters are really tired of the false equivalency claims by those on the right. They are really tired of the hypocrisy, but our resident rightie trolls just can't help themselves.

                  I for one appreciate it. I want the Republicans to crash and burn for at least one more election cycle, to ruin the reputations of the existing power brokers on the right, so that they will run off with their tails between their legs and stop ruining our country.

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                  • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 3:53 pm ET)
                       

                    BB,

                    You are entitled to your opinion.

                    Palin has six years experience as Mayor, (Obama, Biden, McCain, none,) and two as Governor, (Obama, Biden, McCain none). Palin defeated the incumbent Republican Governor in the Primary and the former Democratic Governor in the general to win that office. Before that she swept Republican cronies out of her town government after defeating a three term incumbent. After two terms she went on to challenge her party at the State level, uncovering corruption while on the oil and gas commission. 

                    What did Obama do?  Lets see... Rose through the Chicago party machine to vote "present" over a hundred times in the Illinois legislature. Did he ever buck his party?  That's a real leader for you!  He has since voted party-line almost 100% everytime since joining the Senate. Yeah, that's bringing people together. 

                    For all Obama's so called "experience", I'd like for someone to tell me exactly what is a "Community Organizer" and what specifically did Obama accomplish as one of these organizers? 

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                    • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
                         

                      Palin has six years experience as Mayor

                      As I said before, that town has slightly more residents than my high school.  So according to you, the class president of my high school is ready to lead this nation.

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                      • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
                           

                        What I don't understand is why you don't see your own argument works against Obama just the same.

                        If you can argue Obama's inexperience qualifies him to be President, you can just as well argue Palin's inexperience qualifies her.

                        We simply disagree that Palin has more inexperience than Obama. :-)

                         

                         

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                        • Author by Brabantio (September 01, 2008 4:30 pm ET)
                             

                          What amuses me is that Obama doesn't have to attack her experience.  Her positions are vulnerable enough as they are.

                          Meanwhile, McCain just took away his ability to question Obama's experience, which is particularly damaging to him since he's overplayed his POW card.  What does he have left for two months?  Nice trade-off there.

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                        • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                             

                          What I don't understand is why you don't see your own argument works against Obama just the same.

                          It doesn't work against Obama because he has in-depth knowledge on any issue and can articulate a position and he's on the right side of the issues.  On the other hand, Palin seems clueless about anything outside of Alaska.  I'm sure Palin is a nice person but she's in way over her head.  Obama's first important task was to choose a person that could help him lead or, if need be it, lead and he choose Biden.  McCain's erratic judgment led him to Palin.

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                          • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                               

                            Loonz,

                            Wow. You found all that out already?  How many interviews have you seen? How many speeches? How many debates.

                            I think you've decided to give Palin a decent trial then hang her. 

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                            • Author by Brabantio (September 01, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
                                 
                              I think that someone running for VP should have known what a VP does from day to day.  It would also be nice if they didn't think the Pledge of Allegiance (including the "under God" part) was written by the Founding Fathers.
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                            • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 5:56 pm ET)
                                 

                              Wow. You found all that out already?  How many interviews have you seen? How many speeches? How many debates.

                              I've read news stories and a questionnaire and seen interviews.  She doesn't know anything.

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                • Author by armadillo (September 01, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
                     
                  AA: So if you were king, would you decree an Obama-Pander debate on foreign policy?

                  And no fair using months flash card drills on foreign policy Rove used on Chimpy in 1999. (That worked, he speaks of Kosovonians and Grecians and wingers still consider him qualified.)
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
                       

                    You're condescension aside, there is no need for me to decree it, no doubt the candidates will debate foreign policy.

                    It'll be very interesting to see how Obama fares against McCain and Palin does against Biden in those debates.

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                    • Author by armadillo (September 01, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
                         
                      AA: "You're [sic] condescension aside, there is no need for me to decree it, no doubt the candidates will debate foreign policy."

                      Hmmm... usually you don't see the presidential candidate debating the vice-presidential candidate, which is what I asked about. But you are wiser than I, maybe I missed one.

                      So again, would you decree, or at least welcome, an Obama-Pander debate?

                      Comedy Central could host it.
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        • Author by loonz (September 01, 2008 11:36 am ET)
             
          A reporter asked Palin if she was ready to lead this nation and she answered yes and instead of elaborating on that, she launches into this spiel about how her candidacy will be good for Alaska. I don't think she knows anything about the complex issues facing America and Americans today. She seems like someone who would parrot back anything the right-wing tells her without having a clue as to what any of it meant. She’s similar to George Bush.
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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (September 01, 2008 12:58 am ET)
         

      Why would Chris Wallace question McCain on this?  He's already gotten his talking points from Roger Ailes.

      Mike Wallace would have though.

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    • Author by right-winger (September 01, 2008 5:09 am ET)
         

      HEY AS A EX DEM WHO KNOW OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO WIN BECAUSE YOU SO CALLED DEMOCRATES AND INDEPENDENTS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.  I DON'T MINE WATCHING THE DEMS PUT THERE FOOTS IN THERE MOUTH AGAIN AND AGAIN. FIRST IT WAS GOD LIKE DEMS SO THAT'S WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A HURRICANE AND NOW BIDEN STATEMENT PALIN IS PRETTY. HEY DEMS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

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    • Author by ukobserver (September 01, 2008 6:53 am ET)
         

      Most republicans think that "Ethics" is a mis-pronounced county in the south of England!!!

       

      www.essex.gov.uk/

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    • Author by tjwdraws9354 (September 01, 2008 8:40 am ET)
         
      Even better, if you find the clip on-line, is his answer to Wallace's last question about her ability to take over as POTUS. Why is she ready? Not because of practical experience but because she has good judgment of course. LOL! 
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