ABC, CBS aired no analysis from Dems during Day 2 of RNC coverage, despite airing analysis by Republicans during Day 2 of DNC coverage
SUMMARY: Neither ABC nor CBS aired analysis from Democrats, Democratic strategists, or progressive media figures during their live coverage of the second day of the Republican National Convention. By contrast, both aired analysis from Republicans and conservatives, as well as from Democrats and progressives, during coverage of the second day of the Democratic National Convention.
Neither ABC nor CBS aired analysis from Democrats, Democratic strategists, or progressive media figures during their live coverage of the second day of the Republican National Convention on September 2 (the first day of the networks' live coverage of the convention). By contrast, both networks aired analysis from Republicans and conservatives, as well as from Democrats and progressives, during coverage of the second day of the Democratic National Convention on August 26.
Media Matters for America counted elected officials and strategists affiliated with each party who appeared on the networks during the 10 p.m. ET hour of convention coverage, but omitted interviews of delegates on the floor of the conventions (who presumably were members of the parties holding the convention). Findings are included in the table below:
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DNC: Tuesday, August 26 |
RNC: Tuesday, September 2 |
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Democrats, progressives |
Donna Brazille |
CNN political analyst, Gore/Lieberman '00 campaign manager |
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Republicans, conservatives |
Matthew Dowd |
ABC News political contributor, chief strategist for Bush/Cheney '04 |
Matthew Dowd |
ABC News political contributor, chief strategist for Bush/Cheney '04 |
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George Will |
Washington Post columnist and regular panelist on ABC's This Week |
Torie Clarke |
former Pentagon spokeswoman, former McCain spokeswoman |
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DNC: Tuesday, August 26 |
RNC: Tuesday, September 2 |
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Democrats, progressives |
Joe Trippi |
CBS News political analyst, campaign manager for Howard Dean in '04 |
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Mark Warner |
former governor of Virginia, candidate for U.S. Senate from Virginia |
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Lisa Caputo |
press secretary to former first lady Hillary Clinton |
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Michael Dukakis |
1988 presidential nominee |
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Ed Rendell |
governor of Pennsylvania |
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Beau Biden |
Delaware attorney general, son of Sen. Joe Biden |
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Republicans, conservatives |
Dan Bartlett |
CBS political analyst, former counselor to President Bush |
Tim Pawlenty |
governor of Minnesota |
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Dan Bartlett |
CBS political analyst, former counselor to President Bush |
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Mitt Romney |
former governor of Massachusetts and former presidential candidate |
Steve Schmidt |
McCain campaign manager |
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Lindsey Graham |
senator from South Carolina, McCain national campaign committee member |
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... and I was told that the media was predominately liberal...
What about NBC, CNN and FNC?
POV,
Your satire is amazing! Aside from his reporting, if O'Reilly is an independent, why do all of his fill-in hosts come from the right wing?
Finally Obama appears to be growing a backbone. Rather than answering questions from the liberal mainstream media about how it feels to be so great, intelligent, articulate, handsome, historical and kind . . . ., perhaps when he enters the No Spin Zone he'll be compelled to answer specific questions on policy.
It's a good idea for him to reach out to the more middle-of-the-road voters who watch Fair and Balanced, particularly now that Palin seems to be stealing his glitter.
Are you being sarcastic or stupid? (I swear it's getting harder for me to tell.)
The "No Spin Zone" is a joke. Even the RW posters here should realize this by know. O'Rielly is a clown that doesn't even get the respect of other RW clowns. Limbaugh even borrowed from Olbermann in calling him the "Ted Baxter of Fox News."
Bill-O spins so much it makes you dizzy. And Obama has answered every question that's been asked of him. Clearly and consisely. Several times. You people just aren't getting answers that for your stereotypes and outdated world view, so you claim you didn't get an answer and keep asking the question. (Or you just lie about what he said.)
If they were force to stick to the facts, and to statements they could back up, the Republicans would go the way of the Whigs.
The No Spin Zone is just a start for Obama. To reach a broad swath of everyday, middle-of-the-road Americans, he'll need to spend less time pandering to the liberal media elites on msnbc, nbc, cnn . . .., and more time answering substantive questions which thus far he has been able to successfully avoid. This means more appearances on the Fair and Balanced network, perhaps even visiting Hannity's America, although I doubt he has the guts to face the latter.
...perhaps even visiting Hannity's America, although I doubt he has the guts to face the latter.
Barack Obama would make mincemeat out of Sean Hannity.
I hope you're sitting down. Seriously. If you're not, you really need to take a seat right now. Because this is going to come as a shock to you.
Everyday, middle-of-the-road Americans do not watch Hannity's America.
I know, I know. But the pain in your head is a sign of healing. Deep breaths, now. In, out. In, out...
Everyday, middle-of-the-road Americans do not watch Hannity's America.
Hannity's America is within a step or two of a program they show on the public access channel on my cable system - Out There TV. On that program, an inordinate amount of time is spent discussing chemtrails, secret underground cities, and other subjects that seem to be right out of World News Weekly.
Finally Obama appears to be growing a backbone.
And you appear to be growing a fungus.
"It's a good idea for him to reach out to the more middle-of-the-road voters who watch Fair and Balanced,
Name two. No, name just one.
Tomorrow night, Bill O. will have Obama on Fox. Fair and balanced as usual.
Barack Obama will be fair and balanced, as usual. Bill O'Reilly, OTOH, will act like the unbalanced lunatic that he is.
No, just scared to death.
"Neither ABC nor CBS aired analysis from Democrats, Democratic strategists, or progressive media figures during their live coverage of the second day of the Republican National Convention on September 2”
I’m guessing this is because the libs are absolutely beside themselves after seeing how Sarah Palin tore Obama to bits last night.
I mean really, Obama looked so bad after Gov. Sarah Palin got done with him that the Democrats were clearly dumbfounded and couldn’t think of anything else to say but “4 more years of the same”; or some other meaningless nonsense.
When in doubt, remember:
Palin > Obama
Good for you! I was wondering when MMFA would start asking where the Dems were.
And Larry King-- gee, last week, "it's the Republicans turn!"
But this week, "It's the Democrats-- and, er, Jesse Ventura's-- turn!"
You can analyze this: What did Guiliani mean when he insinuated O'bama has no experience making a decision because he voted "present" 130 times? And that the white house needs someone who can make a decision, not just be present. What could possibly have been meant by that?
How about, when he mentioned O'bama's only claim to experience is that he was a "community organizer", then let out a very funny laugh over the experience O'bama claims are real experience. What could he have meant by that?
As much as Bush has screwed up for the last 59 years, the republicans have just won this election. Not by winning liberal voters, but by appealing to the voters in the middle. And it's funny watching groups like mmfa try to make Palin appear to be something she isn't (bad). Good job, mmfa. Your business could be one of the best pro-republican web sites out there, with all your whining about how terrible people treat liberals. This just in: NO ONE CARES!!
Phil,
Let's stick to the issues with Palin if you would. Do you buy the fact that Palin is against earmarks and for government reform? If so, why was she bragging about them: http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4328/more-on-palins-true-stand-on-earmarks
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4346/palin-on-earmarks-we-did-well
Why, as mayor, did she hire a federal lobbyist for her town?
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4114/wasilla-lets-hire-a-lobbyist-to-get-weapons-etc
From the second link:
"The hire was a smart move. Between 2000 and 2003, Wasilla received $11.9 million in federal money, plus another $15.9 million in money specifically for transportation improvements. During that time, Sen. John McCain, a strong opponent of the earmarking system, complained three times about specific earmark projects heading for Wasilla, The Los Angeles Times reports today."
McCain, in this link, criticized her earmarks in 2001:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
Do you believe that the Iraq war is a quest from God? Do you believe in banning books?
"Do you believe that the Iraq war is a quest from God? Do you believe in banning books?"
No, No. What do those questions have to do with the fact O'bama doesn't vote for/against issues. Do you agree we need a president who will take a stand on issues and not simply be present?
Phil,
I'll let Obama's U.S. Senate record speak for itself, and its Obama, not O'Bama. He's not Irish :).
"I'll let Obama's U.S. Senate record speak for itself, and its Obama, not O'Bama. He's not Irish :). "
I'll let his record speak for itself also...."present". Prove to me there is no Irish blood in his heritage.
When did Obama vote present in the United States Senate, Phil? Also, I don't have to prove he has Irish ancestry (when I was JOKING) about your blatant misspelling of his name.
Again, where did Obama vote present in the United States Senate and when are you going to answer the Palin questions about earmarks and her speech?
You want me to answer "why" questions FOR Palin? WHY don't you ask HER? BTW, you got your answers in the links you provided.
"So, you are admitting that Governor Palin is a hypocrite on the issue of earmarks, correct?"
No.
"What about intentionally misspelling someone's name, what does that get you?"
Satisfaction of getting under your skin.
When did anyone talk about O'bama's senate voting record? Why did you change the subject when faced with a factual statement about the non-committal voting of O'bama?? Does it make you look bad in front of your peers when O'bama is made to look like an inexperienced candidate? How does voting "present" give O'bama experience on making decisions??
How is she not a hypocrite on earmark spending when her town hired a lobbyist to secure more earmarks? Now, she says she's against them. Help me with the distinction.
I think its hilarious you misspell his name, Phil. I know you'd like him better if his name was Patrick O'Bama.
What do those questions have to do with the fact O'bama doesn't vote for/against issues.
The only fact here is your ignorance of how the Illinois Legislature works.
I notice you don't say anything about John W. McCain, who has the worst voting attendance record in the US Senate.
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle. Or, in your case, Mr Ignorant, meet Mr Know-Nothing.
"I notice you don't say anything about John W. McCain, who has the worst voting attendance record in the US Senate. Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle. Or, in your case, Mr Ignorant, meet Mr Know-Nothing."
I thought his middle name is Sydney? Who is this John W McCain you talk about? Perhaps you're using that infamous mirror while calling me ignorant! LOL
From Mitt Romney text on day 3 of the GOP convention:
"Opportunity rises when children are raised in homes and schools that are free from pornography, promiscuity and drugs; in homes that are blessed with family values and the presence of a father and a mother.
America cannot long lead the family of nations if we fail the family here at home!"
Whose daughter is knock up? What a bunch of frauds.
Oh in a even more a who owns whom moment
My wife just pointed out the large number of energy company related commericals during the convention's 3rd day.
They even highlighted Mr Pickens with his pitch for natural gas. Wonder if this billion dollar oil company guy has any shares in gas drilling locations. You suppose ? He presents himself as the savior of the united states, completely skipping over the fact energy resourses are priced in a world market, irrespective of his self annointed patriotism.
Pickens financed the Swift Boat Liars for Mendacity.
He should not be rewarded in any way for his current attempt to enrich himselves at the taxpayers' expense.
I heard a report stating that out of about 4,000 delegates to the convention, a whopping total of 36 are black.
Chris Rock said of the Democratic Convention, "The last time the Republicans had this many black people on stage, they were on sale."
Just a few excerpts from an AP article on that subject:
The Republican National Convention showcased a Native American color guard, a black preacher and video footage of civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks
The party had hoped to showcase Louisiana's Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal, the country's first elected Indian-American governor. But he stayed home to help coordinate the state's response to Hurricane Gustav. The Republicans have no black governors or members of Congress to put on stage.
About 13 percent of GOP delegates identify themselves as belonging to a minority group, according to convention organizers, who provided no further details on the ethnic breakdown.
"Whose daughter is knock up? What a bunch of frauds."
We're frauds because we don't demand she get an abortion?? Or because we allowed sex ed to be taught to her starting at the age of 8? You people are the frauds, for claiming teaching sex ed won't have consequences then whine about us when they do.
Besides, she is above the age of consent (check your laws before you spout). The only justified complaint you have against these "frauds" is that she isn't married. But, you didn't make that complaint. So, that means you're just whining!
"Do you know for sure if she was taught sex-ed as you described or was abstinence, which didn't seem to work, the only sex ed?"
Yes, it's well known and easily verified (do your own work, you seem to have the extra time). Abstinence-only program was supported and prefferred by Palin, but wasn't instituted. I wonder who was against a program like that? It is a well proven FACT that a girl cannot get pregnant while practicing abstinence. It is also a well proven FACT that sex ed and providing free condoms can lead to pregnacy.
So, while you wallow in glee over a pre-marital pregnacy in the VP's family, your blame of Palin's prefferred method of birth control is unwarranted. But, totally expected from a liberal who has no idea what personal responsibility is. I'll bet you don't blame the sex-ed program that taught the daughter how to get pregnant after you found out she wasn't taught abstinence in school, huh? What will you blame? No, like the true hypocritical liberal, you will find something else to blame besides the program you prefer taught in schools.
We're frauds because we don't demand she get an abortion??
Mittens didn't mention abortion, he mentioned promiscuity, which applies to Bristol Palin. Learn what the words mean before you try to berate those who reason better than you do.
No, you're all frauds because you continue to prove that you don't practice what you preach. In your twisted little world if a liberal gets pregnant at 16, she's a slut and a product of some evil liberal lifestyle. If a reichwinger does, it's a momentary moral failing that can be fixed with 10 hail mary's and two rounds on the rosary.
Frauds and religious hipocrites...
You're frauds because you demonize parents to no end for their parenting skills for "allowing" their teen children to get pregnant. But when the issue hits home with one of your own, it becomes a "private, family matter for a real family to deal with in a real family way."
Look no further than this expose by Jon Stewart for an example of what I mean.
abstinence only plan -- this is the hypocrisy I am talking about and you are walking, talking, living proof with this crap defense.
Doug Reese
Rudy mentioned that Obama changed his position on wire taps. This is true.
I don't think Rudy said anything else that was true,so I thought this should be highlighted.
I woke up to CNN this morning and they were absolutely gushing over hockey moms speech. They must have replayed her hockey mom vs. pit bull "joke" 5 times.
How about highlighting the fact that the governor of a state with the population of Columbus OH is one heart attack away from the presidency. Shouldn't that scare people just a little?
"I don't think Rudy said anything else that was true,so I thought this should be highlighted."
You mean it isn't true that O'bama voted "present" 130 times?? You mean it isn't true that shows O'bama cannot make a decision? BTW, how did O'bama vote on those abortion issues he faced as senator (or organizer-whatever he was)?? Oh yeah..."present". Rudy pointed out how inexperienced O'bama is and how little ability he has to be president. I recorded that speach, in case any of you need to replay it, I'll be glad to send you a copy! LOL
After listening to the joy and raw excitement of the Repubs over a "speech", which THEY say means nothing (watch your own ads), I believe you Philib, that you taped this speech. I guess Reepublicans will no longer need to visit porn sites. If you disagree, prove to me they don't.
Also for the Reepubs, remember who said that you don't vote for the VP. Philib, I can see why you so easy brainwashed by the Limbaughs'. Could you replay that speech and point out any solution from Roseanne, or anything concerning health care or the economy. No substance. But amusing, it was.
Anyone who calls the Democratic nominee "O'Bama" is an idiot.
Anyone.
"I was never going to vote for a senator who only votes "present" on issues so I'm letting y'all know I prefer voting for the senator who never showed up to vote on issues."
That about cover it, philly boy?
Carping about the "present" votes simply shows why cantserveatives don't do the governance thing very well. From an AP "Fact Check" article (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/24/fact_check_obamas_present_votes/):
THE FACTS: Obama acknowledges that over nearly eight years in the Illinois Senate, he voted "present" 129 times. That was out of roughly 4,000 votes he cast, so those "presents" amounted to about one of every 31 votes in his legislative career.
Illinois legislators often vote "present" and for a wide variety of reasons. Sometimes blocs of lawmakers do it as a protest in some dispute over rules and procedures. Obama was often joined in his "present" votes by 10 or 20 other senators.
In other cases, lawmakers do it to signal objections to the details of a measure that they support in principle. They also use "present" votes as strategic moves to defeat legislation or, of course, simply to avoid taking a firm position.
I saw that bit too, Doug. He acted like he could barely contain his laughter at the thought that someone might hire a "community organizer."
Every time Palin introduces her husband, it is as a "PROUD member of the Steelworkers' Union". Uh, haven't the GOP been HOSTILE to Unions, calling them Socialist, unfair, and bad for America? Isn't collective bargaining considered by Republicans to be "cheating" , a ganging-up on owners and management, taking away power to run a business which should be theirs alone?
Haven't Republicans supported business management, and opposed Unions at ever turn, delighting that their efforts over the years have decimated Unions in America?
So, what's with this PROUD SUPPORT of a Union by arch-Republican (supposedly) Palin? Could it be that HER family has benefitted greatly from her husband's Union membership, it's just that her PARTY would deny such benefits to any others? Republican HYPOCRICY on display once again ...
Here are a few lines from Mitt Romney's speech at the Republican convention last night:
"Is a government liberal or conservative that puts the interests of the teachers union ahead of the needs of our children? -- It's liberal! "
"The right course is the one championed by Ronald Reagan 30 years ago, and by John McCain today. It is to rein in government spending and to lower taxes, for taking a weed-whacker to excessive regulation and mandates, for putting a stop to tort windfalls, and to stand up to the Tyrannosaurus appetite of government unions!"
It seems that every union worker should feel honored to put their heads under the guillotine of another Republican administration.
" Could it be that HER family has benefitted greatly from her husband's Union membership, it's just that her PARTY would deny such benefits to any others? Republican HYPOCRICY on display once again ..."
Have you been out of the country for a while?? Everyone else knows Palin isn't your 'brand name' republican. She doesn't "toe the party line" like O'bama does. She thinks for herself, unlike O'bama who can't make a decision. Good thing he picked Biden, someone who can make O'bama's mind up for him.
Sorry but you and I have been out ranked on this one. We may be royalty but according to Palin, we're doing God's work in Iraq.
So that's all you or I or anyone else has to know about the war in Iraq.
I defer to the big guy.
But I do have a question. If we're doing His work, why doesn't he get off his supreme butt and stop the bloodshed? And why do our troops have to do his work? Can't he do it his own self?
King, I gracefully back down to the Big Guy...or soon to be Big Gal.
Just heard of the Princess having a boyfriend..Palin affair with husbands business partner...from a good Reepublican source..National Enquirer..remember the euphoria concerning the Edwards affair reporting.
A friend just wrote that after seeing her family and the folksy charm that she is thrilled to have "The Clampetts" back in town. Do they have a cement pond in the White House.
Lessen they want to save that for the critters.
"Can you explain her flip-flopping over the bridge? You seem to have a grasp of reality. While you are at it..could you give a breakdown of her take on Iraq..if she finally has one or the economy..oh wait...drill for oil."
Well, let's see. You don't want me voting for VP, so let's ask O'bama those questions. Think he'll vote "present" again? I do.
"Can you explain her flip-flopping over the bridge? You seem to have a grasp of reality. While you are at it..could you give a breakdown of her take on Iraq..if she finally has one or the economy..oh wait...drill for oil."
I don't think those explanations are available to philib yet. As soon as Rove gets on the horn to distribute those opinions to Hannity and Limbaugh, and after they get going on today's hate fest, philib will be able to get back to you on that.
Here you go Prince.
If PHILIB won't respond about Palin's views on the war, I'll do it for him.
This is what Palin said about the war.
"Our national leaders are sending them
out on a task that is from God," she
said. "That's what we have to make
sure that we're praying for, that there is
a plan and that plan is God's plan."
"Why does God want hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians dead?"
Why do you want hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed? Which Saddam would gladly do, if we hadn't captured him and stopped his allowance of al queda using his country to train in. Al queda is killing the innocent civilians, but in the mind of the liberal (LIAMD) you equate saving millions as a result of our intervention as killing thousands from the actions of al queda.
Phil,
First, you should learn about what is going on over in iraq. I know you won't do this, but maybe you should because honestly sir, you're spouting nonsense. There is no, and never was any proof that al Qaeda existed in Iraq before we invaded in 2003, and only then, did they show up as a splinter group just using the name al Qaeda in Iraq, they originally had NO ties to the al Qaeda of 9/11, they do have a tenuous link to the original AQ now, but not much. They were never very powerful, or held any sway in Iraq, who did though, were the insurgent groups, which we have now made our friends, and is the main reason why violence has crept downward. Also, bear in mind, that we, meaning the US, have been responsible for more deaths in iraq than either AQ in Iraq, or the insurgency, merely as a function of invasion, bombing, and other military machinations that we made over there. It's unfortunately true. Add in the fact that we, in invading their country, essentially destroyed what infrastructre they had left, and now we're not only killing them with bombs, and bullets (not so much now), but now people are dying from poor nutrition, health issues, sickness, no access to hospitals or doctors, and so on and so forth.
Phil, you need to get a grip, do a little research and reading, and get back to us when you STOP repeating Rush's show line for line on a daily basis.
Wrong...completely, utterly wrong. The "Saddam and Al Qaeda working together" myth has been completely debunked many times over, including by no less a personage than George Tenet...the first Director of the CIA in George W. Bush's administration.
Saddam was afraid of Al Qaeda...he feared their influence and would never allow them into his country. He could not have held power if he had allowed Al Qaeda to train and recruit in his country. Saddam Hussein was a Ba'athist...Al Qaeda was founded by Sunni strongman Osama Bin Laden. As a political movement, the Ba'ath Party in Iraq was diametrically opposed to the goals of Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden.
"your only stance on anything has been words on a keyboard...a Keyboard Cowboy, yippee."
Better than the kind of cowboy you give us the impession you are. But, then, liberals like the village people cowboy, don't they?
Everyone else knows Palin isn't your 'brand name' republican.
Of course she is. It's just that in this case, the public has finally seen through the useless words "New and Improved" on the hackneyed packaging.
I can't WAIT for the VP debates.
Mag, I hope you caught Palin's speech tonight. She came off like a gossip columnist for a small town paper doing a snarky Hollywood attack piece. All trivia and smiley-faced smears. She is a small person, not that I think we have real giants in this race, but even McCain isn't too embarrassing compared to Palin.
The Convention crowd was eating it up, though. I didn't think it was possible, but the GOP may have fired up their base by making their message more simple and childlike.
I thought there were some hits and some misses, but the speech itself didn't blow down the convention. It seemed to me the core of the GOP speeches tonight were based in bashing Obama. They didn't even emphasis issues of concern (besides drilling [DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!]). All they did was slam Obama and when they got bored of that they played up McCain's POW and Palin's Hockey Mom status.
Of course Jeff Christie will place that (Palin's) speech 3 steps above the Gettysburg Address and JFK's inaugural speech. Accompanied by photos of Palin with an intent of arousal.
Awright! I just got my Human Events email (I won't link to it, because visiting this site results in a lot of Republican targeted spam., like get-rich-quick schemes and pills that make you skinny while you sleep.)
I'll just post the exciting intro:
September 03, 2008
Johnny's Got a New GirlBy Patrick J. Buchanan
Share Your Comments
The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.
Of course Jeff Christie will place that (Palin's) speech 3 steps above the Gettysburg Address and JFK's inaugural speech. Accompanied by photos of Palin with an intent of arousal.
It won't arouse Jeff Christie. Remember, he was arrested in the company of a male prostitute in Pittsburgh int he Early '70s, had three failed (and childless) marriages, and was caught with Viagra not prescribed to him in his suitcase upon his return from the Dominican Republic (where many poor young men and boys sell their bodies just to make enough money to survive).
Colo., Watched her speech and could only think of one name to describe her sarcatic remarks and delivery...ROSEANNE BARR.
Of course, the Elite Media is picking on her..Bad Media. They lie and say incorrect things about her. (Sort of like her). Well, baby, you've come a long way. You have opened with a successful following in the arena. Congrats...Now, I wonder if you will be permitted to take your first step outside your comfort zone and face the cruel world?
And, that lipstick pig was used as an insult by someone else already..it was featured here but I can't remember. Almost forgot, Rudy G., better lineup some speaking engagements because no one will be giving you a job. Remember boys (Rudy, Mitt, Huck), you are no longer needed..BYE BYE. Roseanne is now in charge and McCain has a new skirt to hide behind.
She does have a little Roseanne thing going. I keep hearing Mrs. Loopner, especially when she talks about her husband Taaaaddd.
Mag, I hope you caught Palin's speech tonight. She came off like a gossip columnist for a small town paper doing a snarky Hollywood attack piece.
You're right. McCain picked Rona Barrett for VP.
and the mantra going forward will be, 'if you ask a question about her, you are a sexist trying to derail the first female Republican VP.'
they will claim she is against ear marks. ask about the lobbyists she hired to get ear marks for Wasilla (or whatever the town's name is), you will hear she has more executive experience than Obama.
they will claim she is already has the experience of commander in chief (of national guard of her state). Ask about one single decision she took as commander in chief and you hear that Obama does not have executive experience. Also, the entire media suddenly becomes the villian.
they will claim she is ready to take on Putin (new fictitious enemy, not unlike saddam) because she is the governer of AK. ask how and you get ridiculed.
they will claim she is a Mom that is like an average American Mom. Ask how many Moms daughters are pregnant at 17, and you get told most of them.
Ask how a shooter, athlete, hockey mom, with five 5 kids can also be a VP. you get told you are jealous.
They will claim she will take all Democratic women voters away from Obama. Ask how an allegedly law breaking, anti-choice to the extreme, ultra conservative, only-answer-is-to-drill-in-ANWR woman can appeal to once-Sen. Clinton voters, and you get told that she is a woman.
They will claim that she has more executive experience than Obama. Ask if that is so, why is McCain the POTUS candidate and she is running for VPOTUS, and you will hear about McCain service to the country as a POW.
When it comes to executive experience, Obama can rightfully claim that he has run an efficient and well-oiled campaign for the Democratic nomination. His was the clearly superior organization in the race, and he managed to defeat candidates that were much better known and... initially... much better financed. And he ran a Democratic Convention that was the on point and highly energetic.
I think that we have the better talking point here, when it comes to executive experience.
In Palin's speech tonight, she will belittle community organizing.
Interesting. The "community" in which Obama was organizing had a larger population than her entire state.
goofiani is telling us that hope is not a strategy - yet mcsame hopes he can draw in a few independant women by picking a valuless, moraless adulterous vp.
Anyone watching that sign in the background pan, says unidos por mccain?
White dude holding it...
little theatre still not full though.
Gee, what a surprise! That church where Palin likes to preach questionable views at? The one that others have also made hateful zionist and racist remarks at? The one where I wonder why no one asks Palin why she won't denounce her hateful preacher who she has had over to her house on several occasions?
Scrubbed all videos so you can't see what a lying nutjob she is.
Palin's speech is pathetic! God, what pandering!
hockeymom
PTA
small town mayor
community responsibilities
small town religion
two faced candidates (boy, that's a mirror request!)
permanent establishment
and claims of being an american who wants to serve americans.
Only we know she wants to exclude 70% of us americans...
small town mayor
She was the mayor of a town of about 5000 people where 1100 voted and she garnered 800 votes.
She's more of a puppet than anything else.
Am I sexist for saying I don't like her voice?
she said she's not going to Washington to please the Media.
Or the rest of the Republican Party, apparently.
Now, now... No cause for that.
We need to give her credit for her accomplishments and assets. Otherwise, we're no better than conservatives and their good/evil view of the world.
The fact is that she's smart, attractive, and ambitious. She got a degree and then a job at a tv station. She was runner-up to Miss Alaska. She managed to get elected - by whatever margin - to mayor and now governor. That's an above-average record for most people.
This isn't Satan in heels, and pushing that narrative doesn't help when you argue why a McSame/Sarahcuda ticket shouldn't be elected to the most powerful office on earth. Build her up, and let her tear herself down with her own history. There's plenty there to do it.
...Unless, of course, you really feel like the fight's not a challenge without one arm tied behind your back by what other people perceive as pettiness. Good luck having people take you seriously then.
The fact is that she's smart
I would challenge that.
Go ahead. I haven't actually seen her SAT scores or anything.
My only defense would be that I know a lot of dummies, and not one of them would be able to make it to the position of governor of ANY state.
But as I was alluding to in my previous, now's the time to bring out the evidence you've got and remove that allegation from her list of assets.
NEON:
I agree with you. There is no sense in belittling her accomplishments. But, of course, she cannot escape the same scrutiny given other politicians (with Clintons as the model), nor can her behavior and policy positions be given a pass.
Her accomplishments, while impressive for a citizen, do not qualify her for the Presidency. Her policy positions, those we know of, and her actions AS a public servant, DISqualify her from higher office. That's the point.
That she LIES about her record (she SUPPORTED that bridge, and millions in other earmarks, before she opposed them), is a real disqualifier.
My only defense would be that I know a lot of dummies, and not one of them would be able to make it to the position of governor of ANY state.
One of the biggest dummies of all became governor of Texas and president of the United States.
"One of the biggest dummies of all became governor of Texas and president of the United States."
I stand corrected.
That anomaly aside, she got where she did on her own, not with the help of family connections and legacy money.
The focus on Palin should be the fact is that her stance on the issues falls right in line with the neocon ideology, and even takes it to the extreme. Staunchly pro-drilling, hard-line creationist, pro-censorship, anti-environment, evangelical, socially negligent, fiscally regressive, and corporately charitable.
She is without a doubt the embodiment of neocon philosophy, the very philosophy that got this country to the place where it is now. Combined with her "Average Hockey-Mom Being Attacked By the Media" personna to appeal to their prime target - the uninformed soccer-mom swing voter -she's a powerful marketing tool for McCain to continue this lovely era of prosperity that Bush has given us.
she's a powerful marketing tool for McCain to continue this lovely era of prosperity that Bush has given us.
Without the brain-static, that last line would have read:
she's a powerful marketing tool for McCain to get elected to continue this lovely era of prosperity that Bush has given us.
A couple of funny highlights from Palin's speech:
1) She called congress "the do-nothing congress". Isn't McCain a congressman too?
2) She ripped Obama for saying that America should read terrorists their rights when they are arrested overseas, yet she later mentioned that BECAUSE OF HIS POW DAYS (isn't everything related to that), McCain would "treat the captured with compassion."
It's entirely possible that she doesn't consider McCain a part of the congressional branch because he's a senator. But then again, it wasn't too long ago that she was asking what it was that the vice-president does.
And I noticed the lack of issues in her speech, too. I kind of wrote it off as typical of a convention acceptance speech, but I have a feeling that it's indicative of things to come. Or rather, the lack of things to come.
The debates will get here none too soon.
But Nerz, she's your poor average hockey mom being savaged by the media and the democrats. Would YOU like it if, when you were playing soccer, the media and the democrats viciously attacked your mother because she didn't know when the pledge was written?
I didn't think so.
You know the reasons given why she(SP)has foreign policy and executive experience gets more ridiculous by the minute especially as more evidence mounts to the contrary...checkout this reasoning I picked up from "Washington Monthly": Frank Gaffney:
As for Whatshername's speech.... where are all those Right Wingers who kvetched about Hillary Clinton's "screechy voice"? My ears were bleeding by the end of Whatshername's screed.
McCain and Palin want to reform Washington while running on a platform that guarantees more of George Bush, does anyone else see the ridiculousness of this? Palin's daughter chose to have her child,but Palin would like to take that choice away from you and give it to the government? Experience matters only when it doesn't. Oh yea I forgot she was a city council member and as mayor garnered a little over 600 votes in her victory , while Obama only was able to get 1.2 million in his run as Ill. state legislature,and was only a Harvard Law school graduate and Professor of constitutional law. Wait a minute SP is a mother of 5 and runs a household and his governor of a state that borders Russia. Did i mention that she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it oh, and that she still accepted the money...remember Stevens tantrum on the Senate floor about this? Wow the hyprocrisy and riduculousness is astounding and presents a real opportunity to break this fragile facade the Republicans are hoisting on us wide open. Lets not step back from this real challenge and offer reason to the drivel and sloganeering now being spewed from the right.
It was delightful.
Why is it that Progressive voices were missing from network coverage of the Democratic Convention, while Conservatives have been well presented at both Conventions? Worse than that the time given to actual speeches and activity on the floor couldn't be more slanted. MSNBC managed to miss the Kucinich, Kerry and Eisenhower speeches, and the military Generals presentation, while showing the presentation of the colors and military speeches and many early night speakers uninterrupted.
The Democratic convention was running fictional narrative unreflective of the events on the floor which was little more than background music to the blowhard pundits. It was presented critically while the Republicans are getting a free infomercial. It's a case in point that there is media bias but not the way it's presented to the public. I hope someone follows up fully on this and gives us some of the relevant statistics and analysis.
PC,
Lies and hypocricy=home run? How can she be an anti-earmark reformer when she requested more earmarks than anyone?
Proudconservative I want to respond to your post by attempting to destroy your argument , but I couldn't find one. It says alot about you and your post, you don't want debate , you just want to annoy. Get a life!
kangaroo,
Again, a home run was hit. You feel differently. The next 60 days will show which is closer to the truth.
The purpose of this speech was to introduce her to America, make the case against Obama, energize the conservative base and show how her life experience appeals to people beyond the convention hall. Again, a home run was hit.
If you believe that what matters in politics is shared values, integrity and intellect then you have the basis for a connection with Americans. I believe many Americans found her story compeling and evoking the kind of affirmation of what they believe and hope for this country. On that, I believe the 'homerun' calls were warranted.
We shall see.
THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY WHAT MCCAIN TOO WIN. DID YOU SEE ABC, MSNBC, NBC, CNN AND FOX HAPPY FACES LAST NIGHT AND TODAY?NOW IT'S OK TO GIVE A GOOD SPEECH AND IT'S MAKE YOU OK TO RUN THE WHITEHOUSE. NOT WITH OBAMA.CAN'T PLAY THE RACE CARD OBAMA BUT PALIN CAN PLAY THE SEX CARD.SHE CAN ATTACK, BUT JOE OR OBAMA CAN'T ATTACK HER.LAST NIGHT WAS ALL AMERICANS NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT HER IN ONE SPEECH, BUT NOT OBAMA.THE MEDIA ARE ATTACKING HER WHEN THEY DIG UP DIRT ON HER AND HER FAMILY, BUT IT'S OK TO DO IT TOO OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY.HEY CHUCK I SEE YOU ARE DRINKING ALOT OF KOOL-AID LAST NIGHT AND TODAY FROM HER SPEECH. HEY TODD ARE THE MEDIA DRINKING THE KOOL-AID TOO LIKE YOU SAID WHEN THEY LIKED OBAMA SPEECH? I ALSO LOVED HOW THEY SHOWED HER FAMILY 24/7 ON STAGE BUT THEY KEPT GOING TOO THE FIRE WORKS WHEN OBAMA FAMILY WAS ON THE STAGE AND I ALSO LOVE HOW THEY MADE SURE THEY DIDN'T GO TO THE MOSTLY ALL WHITE CROWED THAT MUCH. MY GOD I COULD COUNT ON MY HANDS OF HOW MANY NONE WHITE PEOPLE WERE THERE.
congadancer,
Thanks for responding to my posting. I like the way you quickly get to the meat of an argument with clear and decisive debate. Your understanding that keen wit and sarcasm cuts the heart out of the complaints and overall deficienencies of leftist thought puts you well on the way to intellectual heights you never fathomed! Keep up the good work!
UNDERWHELMED.... It might a little while until the political world has reliable data on the effectiveness of Sarah Palin's speech. What's more, I'd caution against putting too much stake in a couple of focus groups.
But there's at least some evidence that Palin's speech, while popular with die-hard Republicans and media personalities, may not have connected with the rest of the country as well as the McCain campaign may have hoped.
The Detroit Free Press conducted a focus group last night, and found that independents weren't impressed at all. They were looking for reassurances about her ability to hold national office, and Palin didn't deliver.