Media report Palin's claim that Obama has not "authored ... a single major law or reform" without noting laws he has passed
SUMMARY: Numerous print media outlets uncritically reported Gov. Sarah Palin's claim that Sen. Barack Obama "is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform -- not even in the state senate," without noting that Obama has played key roles in the passage of reform legislation at both the federal and state levels, including a bill that McCain co-sponsored and thanked Obama for his work on.
In reporting on Gov. Sarah Palin's September 3 speech at the Republican National Convention, numerous print media, including the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, Time magazine, the Dallas Morning News, Reuters, and an article and a column by Debra Saunders in the San Francisco Chronicle, uncritically reported Palin's claim that Sen. Barack Obama "is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform -- not even in the state senate," without noting that Obama has played key roles in the passage of reform legislation at both the federal and state levels. For example, Sen. John McCain, a co-sponsor of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, thanked Obama for his work on the bill.
Obama was a lead co-sponsor of that bill (S.2590), which sought to "require full disclosure of all entities and organizations receiving Federal funds" -- an amount that approximately totals $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans. While signing the bill into law on September 26, 2006, Bush recognized Obama as a sponsor of the legislation, saying, "I want to thank the bill sponsors, Tom Coburn from Oklahoma, Tom Carper from Delaware, and Barack Obama from Illinois." Moreover, in a press release upon Senate passage of the bill, the bill's primary sponsor, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), referred to the legislation as the "Coburn-Obama Bill." In media reports, the bill has also been referred to as the "Coburn-Obama" legislation or bill.
At the state level, Obama was a co-sponsor of a 1998 Illinois ethics law outlawing political fundraising on Illinois state property and barring lobbyists from giving gifts to state legislators. Obama biographer David Mendell wrote about Obama's work on the bill in his book Obama From Promise to Power:
Working the bill was an eye-opening experience for the freshman senator. It was a tough assignment for a new lawmaker, since he was essentially sponsoring legislation that would strip away long-held privileges and perks from his colleagues. In one private session, a close colleague angrily denounced the bill, saying it impinged on lawmakers' inherent rights. But Obama worked the issue deliberately and delicately, and the measure passed the senate by an overwhelming 52-4 vote. "This sets the standard for us, and communicates to a public that is increasingly cynical about Springfield and the General Assembly that we in fact are willing to do the right thing," Obama told reporters immediately after the bill's passage. The bill was not a watershed event anywhere but Illinois. It essentially lifted Illinois, a state with a deep history of illicit, pay-to-play politics, into the modern world when it came to ethics restrictions. [Page 124]
Obama was also the sponsor of the "Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2005" (S.2125), signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006. Obama worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (IN) to produce the "Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative," which President Bush signed into law on January 11, 2007. The initiative, according to Obama's Senate website, "expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction."
Obama also introduced a bill in the Illinois senate requiring police departments to videotape interrogations of murder suspects within interrogation rooms. The bill was signed into law in 2003. A May 9, 2003, Chicago Daily Herald article reported on Obama's involvement in the bill:
[Gov. Rod] Blagojevich's indication Thursday that he supports the plan is a turnaround from his previous position. The governor previously said he opposed videotaping interrogations but supported taping of confessions.
Blagojevich said he'd changed his mind after being satisfied that Obama had ironed out "some of the practical challenges that deal with the issue of videotaping interrogations."
















"Flat-out false statement"? Where?
Even MM doesn't refute the claim that Obama has "not authored a single major law or reform."
MM is simply raising a beef that the media has not replied that Obama has supposedly "played key roles" in passing some legislation.
There is no "false statement." Period. Just sour grapes by MM after an amazing speech by Palin last night, IMHO.
That was a bullsh*t speech, written by a Bush speechwriter. Nothing there except the usual tired worn-out Rethuglican talking points garbage. Yawn.
Let's just wait and see what happens when she is away from the stage and teleprompter.
Think this'll answer your question...
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/27/obamas-convention-speech-inspired-by-kennedy-reagan-clinton/
He'll probably come back here and say something STUPID like William Ayers or Rev. Wright. BWAHAHAHA! A big fat barrel o' laughs!
Stupid conservatives... the hell with them, the gloves are off and I'm ready for war. That's what this is - war.
Everybody can start by reading this CBS News piece about Palin and the Alaske Independence Party. And then bring it up you hear anyone talking about how wonderful Sarah Palin is:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml
Here's another piece about Palin and the AIP:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html
http://www.akip.org/introduction.html
Palin to AIP Convention last March: "Keep up the good work! Have an inspiring convention!"
"What does the Constitution say about that?"
That we have freedom of speech
We still have a constitution?
Does her (and her husband's) support for this cause make her unfit to be 2nd in line for the Presidency?
BINGO!!!!
Great, first we have a president wannabe who wasn't born in the United States who chose a VP who wants to secede from the United States of America.
America First....to be destroyed!
all this hullabaloo. face it fellahs, you can stick a fork in obama, he is so done.
Hissy
A couple of days ago I said that Sarah Palin was Thomas Eagleton in stiletto-spike high heels.
After listening to her speech, I can only conclude now that she is Spiro Agnew in drag.
Actually, Nixon won, to the detriment of the republic.
Agnew was simply a smug, mean-spirited, lying, neoMcCarthyistic hack who ultimately disgraced himself, his office, and his nation.
No argument from me, Roundhouse.
Your point's well taken. It is imperitive that the neocon's stranglehold on power be broken NOW! America can't afford four more years of the Constitution being shredded and the national treasury being looted by these greedy black shirts. If we slumber our way through this election, we'll almost deserve what we'll get.
Jesus Christ my fellow Democrats, defense IS NOT working. Go on offense, we are not like them. We don't have to lie about them, we don't have to misrepresent ourselves. All we have to do is tell the truth about the Republican Party: their platform is war profits, slave labor, forced conception, police state and executive authoritarianism.
we don't have to misrepresent ourselves
You are liberals - If you represent yorselves as liberals you will be roundly rejected. Democrat party leadership knows this - which is why they take the tack they do.
I call BS with that stupid remark. The Democratic Party has alway stood for change, while the Republican Party has always advocated moving morals and values back to the age of Ward and June Cleaver.
You righties just cannot accept the fact that you bring nothing to the table, no issues, no solutions, just the same sh!t different day.
At least Dems don't have to lie and obfuscate to get people to vote for them.
You wanna start that up again?
Your side offers NOTHING. Watching those 'brilliant' speeches confirms that fact.
Agnew won.
And ended up in prison...
Yeah, some 'victory', huh?
Too bad Tricky Dicky didn't join him.
That's all right. Let them continue to spew their garbage. Ayers and Wright - stale beyond belief. But let them continue to go there... no problem.
Sarah is the gift that keeps on giving. Item: After her speech Wednesday night, EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS were donated... not to McCain/Palin but to OBAMA/BIDEN. Nice work there, ditz. Keep it up.
Since we have her under the microscope, here is something that may be of interest. Wanna learn her REAL record? Look no further than here...
http://www.crosscut.com/politics-government/17341
Who co-authored John McCain's memoir? Or authored, as McCain would be used to...
Written by Matt Scully, former Bush speechwriter. From MSNBC - boldface emphasis is mine:
USA Today curtain-raises Palin’s speech tonight with this story: “Call it McCain's Gamble. The Republican presidential candidate is pulling bigger crowds and a gusher of cash to his campaign since his unexpected pick Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. But questions about how rigorously John McCain vetted Palin and fresh scrutiny of the governor's record are fueling a larger debate about McCain's shoot-from-the-hip style and Palin's qualifications, in a crisis, to be president.
The piece also previews the speech. Written by former White House speechwriter Matt Scully, it will combine autobiography and policy. ‘She's going to talk to the delegates about the future of this country, about how to reform broken institutions of government,’ says McCain strategist Steve Schmidt. ‘People will hear about her reform-and-change message’ and about energy and its links to national security. ‘She'll also communicate directly to the American people who she is,’ Schmidt says.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/03/1331277.aspx
Palin's speechwriters failed her last night. Do you even think she knew that she was lying? She's still got a long ways to go if she wants to be as good at lying as former POW (and presidential candidate) John McCain.
From The Google . . .
During the first - 8 - eight years of Obama's elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 33 regarding healthcare reform, 25 on poverty and public assistance, 12 crime fighting bills, 7 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. is first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included
1. Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law,
2. Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law,
3. Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
4. 2007 Government Ethics Bill, became law,
5. Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
Sourcewatch has some Katrina-related legislation that Obama worked with Coburn on and even has his name on:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/On_Hurricane_Katrina
They also have information on ethics reform, election reform, and others:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Image:Barackobama.jpg
Here is a post about Obama-Talent act about tax credits:
http://www.e85fuel.com/pdf/e-85fuelutilizationandinfrastructuredevelopmentincentivesactof2005.pdf
I hope that's a start. I have to get back to work.
hmm from your last source; a quote from Obama April 27, 2005...
"The bill I am introducing today, along with my distinguished colleagues from Illinois and Missouri, is designed to do something about fuel prices and our reliance on foreign oil—something rooted in reality, something achievable in the short term, and something that actually works."
Guess he was wrong.
Make no mistake about such people. They are extremely adept at gathering a large following of supporters, either through the aforementioned intimidation or charm.
This is a brilliant choice for McCain.
You only see you and Palin are full of it...
simply by going to "factcheck.org"... the website touted by Dick Cheney four years ago... and seeing the link that shows how much bunk this is. It even includes a link to all the legislation Obama has sponsored.
Of course, it takes a few more clicks of the mouse than your RNC kooky-con website to find the real truth... something of which you obviously have no interest.
"Numerous print media outlets uncritically reported Gov. Sarah Palin's claim that Sen. Barack Obama "is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform -- not even in the state senate," without noting that Obama has played key roles in the passage of reform legislation at both the federal and state levels, including a bill that McCain co-sponsored and thanked Obama for his work on."
This is exactly correct. “played key roles” is NOT the same as authoring. (Of course I’m sure many of you would like it to be.)
It’s like being a Mayor is kind of like being a community organizer .. lol
Gov. Sarah Palin is as good an orator as Obama is will ever be AND she has content in her speech, not all the doom and gloom nonsense Obama spouts.
Gov. Sarah Palin loves America and believes in her strength and greatness .. not the silly “we need to kowtow to the world” position of Obama.
Better speaker, more experienced, a real person with real values.
Palin > Obama, remember that
Holy Crap did your birth doctor bounce you like a basketball on your head several times or what?
Your spaceship is calling you!
Don't feed the troll!
Mini Drama is just a paid shill of the right.
After all, no one can be THAT consistantly stoopid for free.
Palin > Obama, remember that
Steaming pile of horses**t > Max Dharma - remember THAT!!!!!
The pathetic examples provided by MMFA and the scant role played by Obama in both the state and the US senate really drives the speech of Gov. Palin home. Her speech was extremely well delivered, and demonstrated she has the courage, strength, and experience to be a very capable VP. She hit a home run last night.
The fact that they debunk a neocon makes them pathetic, I guess.
As opposed to the assertion that Sarahcuda showed "courage" last night by delivering a prepared diatribe of anti-democrat one-liners in front of a half-drunk, mostly ignorant partisan audience on the third night of a political convention. That's not pathetic, that's insightful.
Intelligence analysis indicates that what we're seeing here is a pre-emptive scrubbing.
Knowing that he could not control himself from adding something stupid to the conversation, rather than embarrass himself and THEN flag, he flagged first, thereby avoiding the embarrassment. This, combined with the pun and sarcasm blanks their shooting, is a clear signal that their deniability supplies are running low, and we're making headway.
Victory will soon be ours! TheHumorSurge™ worked!
I know, Col. I know...
In these times of epic struggle, man pitted against man, one must ask oneself "How can Flying Spaghetti Monster let this happen?". The reduction of humans into conscienceless fighting animals acting out the most basic instincts of fear and anger transforms our world into a desolate plain of misery. If we are not lucky, we manage, somehow, to survive. We envy those who are no longer with us, for they are not condemned to suffer the mourning of their loss. Memories of them stretch ones faith nearly to its breaking point.
But aren't we just being selfish? Do we truly have an empathy for those that are gone, or cynical sympathy for ourselves for being put in the postiion of going on without them?
When we truly care, we realize that though we may never enjoy their presence beside us again, they will always be with us in their spirit, their encouragement, their laughs, and even their complaints. And we can smile, reassured by the knowledge that they would have it this way.
Palin is a religious zealot spokesmodel.
Just admit it, POV. You cons don't love this country, y'all love money.
Torture, war, hate speech. That's the Republican platform.
Your Party has eradicated Habeus Corpus, right to privacy and seperation of powers all in the name making profit form war. You disgust me.
The cons here, they have been off their game of late. They just let me write at will and very rarely respond anymore. Wes, AA, POV, Tommy, dave and the rest they all have stopped responding.
I love it.
I know they will say that I'm not worth their precious time (elitist punks never have time for the common man) but to me, it just re-affirms that they cannot handle anything other than a wishy-washy liberal.
Fuck 'em.
I wipe my ass with more worthy opponents.
Mark,
How many times did Obama vote present in the U.S. Senate? How does his attendance record in the U.S. Senate compare to McCain's? Please only facts, no speculation here.
F-Boy I guess you do know that he does not have that option, sure he would try, but can do the following. Fact! Vote Key
Yea
Nay
Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present
Pair Yea
Pair Nay
Y
N
NV
PY
PN
he can only pick from the key of choices.
I can help w/ the other question!
Linky:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
Of course we love our country roundy.....thats why we are so upset with Obama for voting to cut funding to troops already fighting in a war, and for his refusal to admit that the surge has been successful.
So you're upset with him for something he never did and for refusing to lie?
How Republican-troll-like of you.
"The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ “The O’Reilly Factor.”" (foxnews.com).
Your turn Nerzy.
“Of course we love our country roundy.....”
Are you sure that "we" includes Mr. and Mrs. Palin:
The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."POV:
Your actions declare that YOU do not love our country. You deny that the surge FAILED at its goal of improving Iraqi political autonomy. You deny that Bush lied us into war. You deny that Bush has caused the US economy untold damage. You lie about Obama's voting record. When faced with the fact that the Bush administration has not supplied troops with the equipment they need, you ignore it. The Republicans voted down veterans' benefits and you ignore it. You ignore the Attorney General's office being used for political purposes. You disregard facts that you do not like. You are a hypocrite of the first order.
Great; another war-cheerleading armchair general pontificating about the all-powerful surge. When you do this, you're committing the logical fallacy known as post hoc ergo propter hoc - loosely translated as being f---ing stupid. Put down that magazine and zip up - there's lots of polysyllabic words in the next paragraph.
According to William S. Lind of the Center for Cultural Conservatism (and the reality-based community, of which you are evidently not a part) the reduction in violence in Iraq has four causes, the least of which is the surge. In order of importance, they are:
"Al Qaeda’s alienation of much of its Sunni base, a consequence of its attempt to impose its Puritanical version of Islam before it won the war and consolidated power. This is a common error of revolutionary movements. The smart ones back off and take a “broad front” strategy until the war is won, at which point they cut their “moderate” allies’ throats. Al Qaeda’s non-hierarchical structure, coupled with the message it employs to recruit, may prevent it from adopting a broad front strategy. If so, that may prove a fatal weakness.
A change in policy by the U.S. Marines in Anbar Province whereby they stopped attacking the Sunni population and started paying it instead. As the FMFM 1-A argues, in 4GW, cash is your most important supporting arm. The Marines’ new policy, which has now spread to the U.S. Army and beyond Anbar, enabled the locals to turn on al Qaeda and its brutally enforced Puritanism.
General Petraeus’s decision to move U.S. troops off their FOB’s and into populated areas where they could protect the population instead of merely protecting themselves.
Last and least, the surge, which made more troops available for #3. Absent the other three developments, the surge would have achieved nothing."
Seeing as how GOP membership evidently confers omniscience in all things military and geopolitical, why don't you surprise me and answer with actual analysis instead of the RNC's talking points? Looking forward to trashing your response.
I find no fault with the causes you mentioned, but I think it omitted some significant factors. There was the mass emigration of 2 million Iraqis to other countries. Most of them moved from areas of very intense violence or from areas in which they were the minority population. A smaller population clearly reduces the likelihood of conflict without having received any benefit from "THE SURGE."
A great many areas that had mixed populations have seen their minority populations driven out, reducing the potential for sectarian violence. Again, without "THE SURGE."
And I would like to comment on your second item. You described it diplomatically, but what it boils down to is that the US started bribing Iraqi militants to not attack us. I don't know why WPE Bush hasn't been criticized for this humiliating policy. Whatever happened to Jefferson's "Millions for defense, but not a penny for tribute" pledge?
thats why we are so upset with Obama for voting to cut funding to troops already fighting in a war...
Therein lies the difference. Obama wants to stop funding wars and start funding the vets. Repugs want to keep funding wars and stop funding vets. Now who's un-American?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26550764/
What's more pathetic?
Passing laws?
Or having to lie about your opponent because you can't win on the truth?
What's more pathetic?
Passing laws?
Or having to lie about your opponent because you can't win on the truth?
Making your opponent the issue. Once the election is over your opponent is a non-factor. Things like abortion, WOT, oil, national security will still be an issue and a factor.
That was one of the common themes of the RNC last night. #1 Bash Barack. 2# 1UP Sarah Palin 3# DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!
#1 and #2 (and it's subthemes) almost made me wanna' play Maximum-Football instead.
Making your opponent the issue. Once the election is over your opponent is a non-factor. Things like abortion, WOT, oil, national security will still be an issue and a factor.
Since the election is contrasting how you will deal with those issues compared to how your opponent will, an election is always about your opponent. You opponent must be defeated.
And your opponent is the truth.
That's why you'll be a loser for a long time to come.
The TRUTH of what exactly? Any examples?
How about the truth of where St. Barack will get the money for the $500 billion in new entitlement spending? He provides no math for that plan.
How about the truth about what his plans are for Iraq? He's had about adozen different positions.
Oh, I get it... so 'borrowed' money doesn't really belong in the 'actual' budget.
That's the philosophy I use for my own finances, as well. I just can't seem to figure out why VISA and Mastercard got so upset when I explained why I haven't been paying my CC bills. Those companies are so un-patriotic.
Oh, I get it... so 'borrowed' money doesn't really belong in the 'actual' budget.
Ah..no..you dont get it. Like the rest of your left-wing buddies.
The point is you have three choices after the war ends and the money is no longer needed in order to pay for Obama's new spending which outpaces the war annually.
1. Cut existing programs
2. Raise taxes (AND I mean beyond just for those making $250k a year)
3. Print money and drive up the deficit.
The money isn't "just there." And just because you and the rest of the moronic liberals say it's there doesn't mean it is.
The money was there when bush took office. Now we are deeply doo doo deep in the hole. I for one like politicians that tell us we are broke and that its time to roll up all of our sleaves and dig ourselves out.. Unfortunately the republicans and their rush hannities have sent out the message for years that sacrifice is a liberal thing. That all we have to do is cut taxes and every day can be christmas.
No one gets elected telling the us that we have to sacrifice and work together to solve difficult problems. Conservative media have taught us that all our problems come from interfearing with the markets, which exist to give us whatever we want, when we want.
The point is, if you can fund a war off budget, why not spend the money for something useful that builds and not destroys.
Or were you one of the first people to protest the spending on the war when it started?
Otherwise your argument is weak.
Also nothing is said how Alaska is the biggest welfare state in the nation. Money pours in courtesy of the rest of us taxpayers.
Your Welcome,
Alaska
Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels has NEVER bashed an opponent in any of his campaigns. IIRC he doesn't even mention his opponent in any of his ads.
So yes, it IS possible to not make your opponent the issue.
Only if you have something to offer.
nuff said
Not this time pal.
This election is about the issues.
Once the personal attacks are ignored, voters are going to look at their pocketbooks, their investments, the cost of educating their children and the value of the homes they've worked their whole lives for. They'll also wonder why this war is still raging.
You and Jeff Christie and the other cheerleaders can squawk all you want but in the end it will be about the economy and how to end this god forsaken war.
And what the hell do you call it when the Right bitches and moans about the media doing its job... yeah, apparently the job McCain's camp DIDN'T do... digging into Sarah Palin's past and scandals? Righteous selective outrage?
LOL...
Voters know who held the power for the last eight years. Voters know who unilaterally decided to invade a country that was no threat to our national security. Voters know whose economic policies have either helped them or hurt them for the last eight years.
You can get St. Rudy to scream 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 from the rooftops, this time few will fall for it. The voters aren't afraid anymore, believe me.
Almost half of us never were.
Some food for thought..
We lost in 2004, barely because
George Bush was an incumbant
Bush was CIC of a war that had high approval ratings
Kerrey didn't fight back
No Huffington Post
Air America was too new
Ed Schulz and Stephanie Miller were virtual unknowns
YouTube didn't exist
Blacks were not energized by the choices then
Obama is no Dukakis, Kerrey or even Gore and that's a good thing.
After reading your comment and listening to McCain's RNC acceptance speech, I couldn't agree with you more.
Barack and Biden will get the job done.
to say that he has not sponsored one single bit of legislation is totally false and disproven by this MMFA article
She didn't say that. Reread her quote. The examples MM cite are not MAJOR legislation or reform - at least not in her (or my) opinion. I think her point is valid - Obama has nothing to run on except a promise.
Hey Dummy - glad you're here. Got one for ya. Let's see what you have in that skull of yours...
Please explain to us Karl Rove's positions of why Governor Timothy Kaine isn't qualified to be VP based on his experience and why Governor Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP based on her experience. Thanks.
Oooooo.... Nice comeback.
I hope everyone here takes note of that, and learns something from it.
I expected that one. Typical wingnut dodge. Obviously, your masters have taught you well - too bad it's gonna fail out there in the real America... away from the cocoon of that debacle of a convention.
Good luck with it cuz god knows you're gonna need it. Seriously.
No - if Bunnyhumper wanted an actual answer he would not have started his question with name calling.
Everybody knows that a VP pick is based on what voters the running mate will bring to the ticket. Palin brings more than Kaine - it's that simple. Though I did not hear Rove's comment I can safely assume he was delicately presenting that perspective.
So you agree, then, that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be VP, let alone CiC?
If you interpreted that from my above comment I can understand why you are so easily swayed by Obama's rhetoric.
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Oh, stop that bullsh*t! What's the matter... can't take a little ribbin' there, Demmy? Tell that to your friends in talk radio, especially The Detestable One, aka His Vileness, aka Mark Levin, who has made a CAREER out of it. After that sorry spectacle last night, the gloves are off.
Now that we have gotten the frivolous garbage out of the way... take a stab at answering the question. Let's hear you defend McCain's 'choice'... handpicked by Jeff Christie himself.
Now, defend that if you can.
Moose village?
I think meth village is more apt.
Dems,
That is not what Rove said at all. Other than not knowing how big Richmond was, he blasts his inexperience:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVSW-KhJb4
How does Palin compare?
Neon & Freid,
Thanks for the link. I'm not going to defend Rove as I disagree - I think Kaine would have been a qualified choice - perhaps more qualified than Palin. However Pailn brings more votes and a broader appeal to the ticket. McCain is still at the top of the ticket.
I think the argument of experience between Pailn and Kaine is moot though - it is the comparison between the experience of Pailn and Obama that tends to ring true. He has absolutely no experience in leading anything of value. Why is Obama any more qualified than Palin to be POTUS?
As long as you brought me into it...
This has nothing to do with whether or not YOU agree with Rove.
You're defending the party that puts "Country First", the party of the guy who would rather lose an election than lose a war, the party of Karl Rove, the Rove that doesn't agree with Rove. So tell me, in which statement was Rove lying? Which statement made by Rove was the one that put country first? Which statement relegated the election to second-tier status?
Face it - the guys you defend are a sleezy bunch of self-serving power-mad liars. They're the same guys that gave us the last 8 years of pure heaven. And you're willing to stand up for these multimillionaires and allow them to decimate at least one generation worth of this country's future just so your "team" can win. That is disgusting.
You're either disengenuous, or stupid. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with the former. Don't disappoint me.
In reading your endorsement of Obama the experience section is very weak. He was hardly in the senate long enough to get the office redecorated.
As a VP running mate - Pailins policy is to support McCains policies. She is a fresh new face and has brought some excitement to the debate. However McCain is still the candidate - and both tickets still stink.
Dems,
Experience isn't a tipping point for me in any election. It can help, but after the last 8 years with that "experienced" crew, I wouldn't mind a fresh perspective. I didn't like when the Gore camp went after Bush on this point either.
I totally understand where you are commnig from.
Yeah, she brings the ignorant scumbag white trash vote aboard.
That's right... I SAID IT! SCUMBAG! WHITE TRASH! THAT is what she represents. Just LOOK at 'em! And that boyfriend... what's his name... oh, Effin' Redneck, that's right! Up there chomping on that gum (or was it Skoal?) thrust into the spotlight as a result of those wonderful abstinence-only programs that Moose-eatin' Palin touted. Get ready for the shotgun, buddy! And that shot of the six year-old licking her hand and matting down the hair of that baby... priceless!
Yeah, some great 'fambly values' you jackasses on the Right have, I tell ya...
Oh, btw, Sarah... it's ee-RAHK, not EYE-RACK. Moron.
Everybody knows that a VP pick is based on what voters the running mate will bring to the ticket. - DemSol
Oh really? Silly me. I thought the purpose of picking and vetting a vice-presidential candidate was to make sure that the person picked would be able to step into the presidency at a moment's notice and move forward with the former president's agenda. Along with, of course, being the leader of the Senate and making the tie-breaking vote in an instance of a 50/50 vote on a bill.
But just a few months ago, Palin said she didn't know what the veep does. If that's all it takes to be veep, I'd truly like to fly a passenger airplane. Anyone wanna put me in the cockpit right after I ask "how does this thing fly?" Anyone?
Palin is a pig, this time, with lipstick.
I don't believe I showed any fear of Palin. There's nothing to be scared of. However, she supports many policies which many voters, especially women, cannot bring themselves to support.
Fear of Palin? Puh-lease. What's this woman going to do to me? She cannot even take care of her own issues, let alone take care of others' issues.
We all know (even you righties) that Obama and Biden are going to crucify McCain and Palin in the debates - and in the general election.
Fear? Yeah, right.
What is it that you think I fear? (serious and honest question, no snark from you is necessary).
Yeah, well, the dummy above me thinks that I have some fear of Palin.
To tell the truth, I don't have a fear of Palin herself; I have a fear of how she, coupled with McCain will f**k up our country even more than this last administration has.
The talkers are gloating over the so-called 'fear and loathing' we on the left have over the Moose-Eater but I guarantee them it's certainly not about her personally... well, her voice is quite annoying but I digress... it's all about what would happen to this country if Gramps kicks the bucket and she is crowned The Ice Queen.
I certainly am not up for a theocracy headed by a woman who thinks book censorship is the way to go, abstinence-only programs are the norm, killing off polar bears and shooting wolves from the sky is 'kewl', launching wars because of some eschatological mumbo-jumbo is AOK, etc.
Palin brings NOTHING to the table, except for hallmark GOP corruption, constant abuse of power and serious ineptitude.
"What is it that the Vice President does....?" - Sarah Palin (videotaped sometime in June)
Sheesh...If she gets to be VP, then that means I am more qualified to be VP than she is, as I know and understand the responsibilities of the VP position - and I've never been there.
It's called Civics Class b!tch. Take one. It will help you tremedously.
I think her point is valid - Obama has nothing to run on except a promise. - Dems_Sol
Sorry dude, but that's all any politicians have to run on: promises. The trick is to figure out which "promises" benefit America better, then vote for the candidate who is in a position to keep those "promises". GWB made many "promises" - and he's kept not one of them (well, not one that works, anyway). Many on the Right believe their candidate will keep the "promises" they made during their respective campaigns. So far, women still have the right to reproductive choice (as it should be), gay folks are becoming more and more accepted in society, even getting married (as it should be!), etc. But none of those promises have been fulfilled by your right-wing liars who are in politics for power and money - and absolutely no interest in changing the status quo in favor of progess. These promises are shelved for the next election - for the next Republican to bring up like the family secret that no one likes to talk about at parties. There's always a bogeyman - but never a hero to restrain him. Nothing will ever get done - and that's why nothing ever gets done under a Republican administration. Republicans are hell-bent on destroying government, so the run for office, dupe voters, get elected, and run the government into the ground (as 'proof' that government doesn't work), just as GWB did with countless businesses before getting into politics.
OTOH, Democratic candidates run on promises of change. Clinton was the best president of my lifetime (I'm 37 years old). Our country had never before seen the kind of prosperity we experienced in the 90's. Clinton kept his promises. Your "shoot-em up, bring it on" cowboy from Texas didn't - and your "maverick" from Arizona won't.
So many of you on the Right have been duped into voting against your own self-interests in the name of banning social issues, in favor of a more authoritarian government (because YOU think JEEEEEZUS wants you to), which for the most part won't even affect you on a personal level. And you want the Government to keep to itself and out of your home, but you want to know (and regulate) what's going on over at your gay neighbors, Adam and Steve's house next door during the wee hours of the morning.
Again, my friendly lefties, I apologize for the rant, but ths bullhockey really has to come to an end.
Indeed POV, these are pathetic examples of 'accomplishments' which MMFA and the Obama people continue to harp on (Are they working together? if so MMFA is breaking the law).
Two of these were passed by unanimous consent and a third was just introduced this summer. Barack Obama's record as a senator kind of reminds one of John Kerry minus the depth and purple hearts.
Kerry? I remember him in that other election. Wasn't he the only guy on either ticket that actually fought for this country?
Oh yeah, that wasn't as important back then. and the Flip-flops keep a-comin'!
No, Kerry wasn't a POW. McCain was a POW and he sang like a bird when interrogated. Sounds like a traitor to me.
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That's all a captured member of our armed forces are supposed to say, right?
Even that infant. THAT is the most disgusting of all... using that baby like that. I guess 'fambly values' Sarah and The Dude don't give a sh*t about the everyday needs of that child, putting him through all that BS...
Rabbit, you are so right.
I remember certain folks whinning about how "off limits" her kids were but yet Palin has no problem using her own kids for political gain. Pimping her special needs child was beyond tacky!
Speaking of drag - did anyone get the feeling that Palin is just a runner-up beauty queen in a Gay Pride parade? I've seen drag queens look 100 times better than she does...
...just sayin'...
Seems to me that she hit foul balls all night long, but of course, she couldn't hit them hard enough to fly into the crowds, just enough to hit herself in the head with the bat. She's an idiot and wholly unsuited for the pandering position McCain put her in. Play those politics, John. They take away from your so-called 'Straight Talk Express' and 'Maverick' misnomers. Obama/Biden offer solutions. McCain/Palin offer nothing new and prefer to stay on the same disasterous course which put us in the situation were faced with now: Crappy economy; two wars in the Middle East with no true end in sight, etc.
I wonder how John or Sarah would feel if they suddenly lost their house because of the mortgage meltdown. Oh, that's right, Palin can just move into one of John's 20+ houses until this freaking mess blows over when a good Democrat is elected to the White House. McCain and Palin are so out of touch with regular voters it's appalling.
Here's the primer they can use...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.html
Any bets on her invoking the Bering Strait when she's asked about foreign policy?
I wouldn't count on that. They're keeping her far far away from the media. And if she does do any interviews you can bet it'll be exclusively FOX.
Acknowledged. Our media has a record of abysmal failure on its duty to the public and there's no reason to believe they'll suddenly start doing their job.
Despite this, all it takes is one appearance in front of the right media figure to expose weaknesses for all to see and cause a ripple effect.
I agree in theory. However, did you notice one of the prevailing themes in this convention has been that of the "liberal media" boogeyman? Seems like they're anticipating any exposed weakness with a preemptive strike.
I can't wait for the debates to begin.
Here would be one of my political "litmus tests"
"Hypothetical: You are at war. Deciphering an intercepted code, you learn two things about your enemy. A single spot in their defense will be at its weakest in ten days, and they will attack one of your cities in five days. What do you do with this information? What is the most efficient course of action?" (courtesy: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
Their answers to that question should tell lots.
I can't wait for the debates to begin
This is a joke right? the libs said that about Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 and they all wiped the floor with their opponents. McCain thrives in that situation. He's been on the Sunday shows how many times? Meanwhile, take away the prompter and St. Barack turns into an UM Machine
McCain will probably blow his gasket if he isn't ever so slightly medicated. We all know how unstable he is and how he is easily provoked.
He is no match against Obama and Palin DEFINITELY is no match against Biden. Both of your 'heroes' will get their respective clocks cleaned out.
You've got a very poor grasp of history. (No surprise there) Mondale humiliated Reagan in their first debate. It was beyond question. Reagan was stumbling and lost. The instant polls taken the day after shot Mondale ahead of Reagan. I remember it well because my wife spent 20 hours in labor on that day after the debate and we saw a lot of news throughout.
The problem for Mondale was that the expectations for the second debate were suddenly raised to an unreasonable level. An anonymous source from the Reagan camp gloated that all Reagan would have to do to win is not drool on himself. Most of those evaluating the debate afterward agreed that Mondale did better, but the perception was that he wasn't as effective because the expectations had been raised too high.
What are you saying he is polling above 50% before the debates. You only need 51% to win and the debates decidely favor the Dem.s. Unless something happens it is well on its way to being over.
Of course they are keeping her far from the media. The Gramps campaign knows she has no clue as to what to say, and they don't want to take the chance of her spitting out some stupid gaffe.
To me, it's keeping the American people in the dark as to who she is - and that, my friends, is not Democracy. The American people deserve to know who this worthless Governor is, and how unfit she is for the job. She could have taken the time last night to talk about her accomplishments (but her speech would only be two minutes long, including all of the gratuitous applause), instead of bashing Obama based on lies.
I wanted to listen to Palin with an open mind. Since Hillary dropped out of the race, I am an avid Obama supporter. Obama told his story. He let us know about him. What do we know about Palin and why didn't she take the opportunity to introduce herself properly?
And I'm still waiting for someone to bring up Palin's flip-flop re: the Bridge to Nowhere. She was for it before she was against it. I also want to know why there's this double standard from the Right: Teach your kids that pre-marital sex is wrong, against Christianity, etc., but then she cannot teach her own kids? Get your own house in order before pushing your authoritarian views on the rest of the country.
I wanna know everything about her church (Assemblies of God) and any nutty pastors which may or may not have given sermons there. I want those pastors and any jerk-off members of her church brought to light, as these are people she mingles with, right? Righties claim that they don't know anything about Obama - then they should introduce Palin and her background and past to everyone for the public's scrutiny.
And her voice grates on me like fingernails on a chalkboard (I said this yesterday, and it was doubly true for her speech last night. I couldn't wait for her to shut the F up.
Turn-about is fair play, righties.
I'm sure you both caught my main point in my previous post: I want this no-name Governor with no experience to be treated in the same manner in which Obama was treated. If she's someone who handles snakes and bites the heads off chickens, we need to know this.
Why does the media not question Palin's association with the Alaska Indepedent Party - you know, the party who doesn't need the rest of America...remember? McCain is insulting every thinking woman in this country by nominating the absolutely least qualified woman to be the first female VP.
Seriously, Senator McCain, do you really think women are that stupid? Do you really think women vote with their vaginas? Do you really believe that women who are adamnantly and diametrically opposed to Palin would vote for her anyway because she's a woman? Senator McCain, with all due respect, you're an idiot. And as a proud Leftist, I thank you for your idiocy. Thank G-d you won't have the chance to f**k up our country from the Oval Office.
Just look at his conflicting statements about Gov. Kaine and Whatshername. The Daily Show couldn't have written it any better.
I think Whatshername is corrupt as hell, and Rove probably knows it. Therefore, as Rove tends to do, he presents her as the opposite of what she really is. Sadly, the lapdog press falls right in line, and the knuckledragging Evangelicals swallow the whole story.
Palin is simply agreeing with Biden and Clinton's arguments from the Democratic presidential debates.
The fact that these people love her is all I need to know. Be afraid, be very afraid.
POV said:"...thats why we are so upset with Obama for voting to cut funding to troops already fighting in a war..."
Troop Funding Foul Play
Lieberman also said that "colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield." That's a highly misleading claim that McCain also touted in an ad this summer. Obama has voted in favor of war-funding bills at least 10 times since becoming a senator. The McCain camp and Republicans cite one vote Obama cast against a funding bill as justification for their claim – but that vote came after President Bush had vetoed a version of the bill that included a date for withdrawal from Iraq.
In fact, most Republicans voted against that 2007 war-funding bill Obama and the Democrats supported. McCain was absent for the vote, but he urged the president to veto the bill. As we said about this subject previously, "Based on those facts, it would be literally true to say that ‘McCain urged a veto of funding for our troops.’ But that would be oversimplified to the point of being seriously misleading." And the same goes for Lieberman’s claim at the convention.
Source: Factcheck.org - GOP Convention Spin
Wow, he really has set precedents with his exhaustive work. He, and the other 47 senators that co-sponsored really when out on a limb to try to make government more transparent. I'm sure he had to do a ton of heavy lifting to get the other 46 to jump on that band wagon.
When he finally agreed to give money to small local police departments for the video upgrade, rather than make them do it without financial help, the law passed. They were already doing the audio-taping. (Wonder if he voted 'present'?)
For all the bills he "PASSED", why is it not the Obama-Colburn bill or the Obama-Lugar bill? Because he didn't lead or sponsor those on his own, but maybe he did some senate community-organizing on the way in order to pump up the ole resume!
Sorry - I forgot to qualify that post.
John McCain was a POW.
Now, what legislation has he passed?
Flowmax-blowhardsky,
1998 - McCain co-authored the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) governing the online collection of information about children younger than 13 years of age and giving parents greater control. COPPA became law in 2000. 1999 - McCain authored the Children's Internet Protection Act (CIPA) requiring libraries and schools receiving federal funding to filter, from their computers with Internet access, pornography and other material considered harmful and inappropriate to minors. CIPA was signed into law in 2000 and upheld as constitutional by the Supreme Court in 2003.2000 - McCain authored the Consumer Internet Privacy Enhancement Act requiring Internet websites to post privacy policies regarding the collection and use of consumers' information. The bill and subsequent hearings on online privacy spurred the top commercial websites to post consumer privacy policies.2002 - McCain co-authored the Driver's License Fraud Prevention Act prohibiting the display of social security numbers on state-issued driver's licenses, motor vehicle registrations and other state identification cards. This provision was included in the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004, also co-authored by Senator McCain, which became law on December 17, 2004.2003 - McCain co-authored the CAN-SPAM Act to regulate the sending of unsolicited commercial e-mail ("spam") to consumers and enable them to opt out of receiving such email. CAN-SPAM was signed into law in 2003 and became effective in 2004.2004 - McCain co-authored the National Intelligence Reform Act, in which Congress adopted the majority of the recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, including reforms to protect the personal security of individuals, including the creation of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, the designation of privacy and civil liberties officers in the federal government, and other consumer privacy protections such as the prohibition of social security numbers on state driver's licenses noted above.2005 - McCain co-authored the ID Theft Protection Act to set federal standards for business' protection of consumers' personal and financial data and notification to consumers in the event any data security breach creates a risk that they may become victims of identity theft. 2005 - McCain co-authored the U.S. SAFE WEB Act to provide the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) with the essential authority to combat fraud perpetrated on Americans from locations beyond our Nation’s borders. The Act was signed into law in 2006.2007 - McCain authored the Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online (SAFE) Act to enhance reporting of online child pornography.2007 - McCain co-authored the Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual Predators (KIDS) Act to require convicted sex offenders to register their e-mail and instant message addresses with the National Sex Offender Registry. The Senate passed the Act unanimously in May 2008.
Good job!! He co-authored two minor bills!! That is so amazing.
So, can we agree that John McCain has not authored any major bills during his 50 or so years in the Senate?
k-bro,
Gee I count 10 different bills in 2 paragraphs that I posted. And that is just back 9 years.
Broflow, when you read future postings consider the activity to be like 'community organizing' the synapes found in your frontal lobe. With a grand level of experience like that, who knows how far one can go!
Comparing the number of bills proposed/passed by McCain over the last 30+ years compared to the number of bills proposed/passed by Obama is comparing apples to oranges. Obama hasn't been in the Senate as long as McCain has - 'cuz you know, McCain has made his living off of politics and lobbyists. Obama has just had a short time in office and hasn't made a huge living off of politics and lobbyists.
Your comparision is irretrievably stupid.
If you're referring to Biden, Obama made a wise choice. Biden is one of the country's leading experts on foreign affairs. And, in case you haven't noticed, foreign affairs is right at the top of the list of important issues, right up there with the economy. So tell me which of the two candidates for president would most likely say: "Bring it on!"
I can say with certainty that it would NOT be Obama. Cowboy warfare was left back in the 19th Century. We need a president who can lead us in the 21st Century. That candidate is Barack Obama.
Another load of Palin bullsh*t...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/14299/35653/215/586596
Kinda OT, but did any of you get as big of a chuckle out of W's speech last night wherein he said, "I know what it takes to be President - and John McCain is ready to be President"?
I sprewed Diet Coke right though my mouth and nostrils.
If W knows what it takes to be President, why was he such a f**k up as President?
nosuchkindofliberal,
Isn't that what Carter said about Obama? Talk about nasal spew!
Never saw that comment from Carter about Obama. Care to point me to a link where I can read for myself. I cannot even think that Carter would say something like that - as a Christian, about a fellow Christian Democrat.
You present the charge, the burden of proof is on you.
Sources, people! Sources!
kangarooney,
Maybe it is in jest that we want people to consider what makes people tick. In case you didn't know about 'community organizing' here's a brief primer.
http://www.itvs.org/democraticpromise/alinsky.html
And you should be proud of what your leader believes. Don't deny, embrace it and allow all Americans to decide who will best represent them in government.
marsupialo,
More meat for you to chew on.....the legislative issue regarding the weakness of Obama's record on law making....not debunked.
- jpt