AP doesn't challenge Huckabee's claim that Palin "got more votes" than Biden, despite having previously called it a "whopper"
SUMMARY: The Associated Press reported Mike Huckabee's claim that Gov. Sarah Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States." The AP did not challenge the claim despite its characterization of the claim in a separate "fact check" as a "whopper" because, according to the AP, Palin received a total 1,525 votes during her two runs for mayor while Biden received 76,165 votes in the 2008 Democratic primaries.
A September 4 Associated Press article by Glen Johnson reported former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's claim that Gov. Sarah Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than [Sen.] Joe Biden got running for president of the United States." Johnson did not challenge the claim, despite the AP's characterization of the claim in a September 3 "fact check" as a "whopper." In that article, reporter Jim Kuhnhenn wrote: "Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries."
From the September 4 AP article:
Meanwhile, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, known for his wit and humor on the trail, rebuffed those who questioned Palin's experience.
"I want to tell you folks something," said Huckabee. "She got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
From the September 3 AP "fact check" by Jim Kuhnhenn:
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
Maybe he needs to read his own newspaper...
What a moron.
The Huckster probably got a memo from the RNC...
Being the dumbass that he is, he probably didn't suspect he was being handed another lie.
Can you name a reichy who does? I just got this from another site that found it on a Maulkin town crier board:
Add to that Westmoreland (R-Ga) calling the Obamas "uppity" and we're right on the threshold I described yesterday - right wing racists just dying to scream "N!&&#R!" over and over again...
"Oscar, I'm not familiar with Carter's "boy" comment can you elaborate?"
He made a reference to the child Obama as a "black boy" and the R's took it and ran with it. Yes, it's insulting to call a black MAN "boy" - but a black male child IS a black boy, and Carter was talking about the young Obama.
I am ashamed of these damn crackers.
Yes, I'm white.
F you Zell.
Walstib,
Zell Miller is a disgrace to the United States of America. Pure and simple. He's a liar, he's a scumbag.......he's a conservative.
He disgraced himself because he lied. He's a conservative!!
After last night's speech it should be clear to anyone who thinks that the Republican strategy in this election is to lie while smiling, lie while laughing and lie while mocking, all the while providing nothing of any substance. They are not promoting good government, they are selling shallow personalities.
It's easy to get someone to laugh along with you when you tell a lie wrapped in an insulting joke, it's much ahrder to get them to pay attention and care when you talk seriously.
And the saddest and most pathetic part of this all is that it is a winning strategy.
It's nothing more than a mindless hollaback talking point.
Nerzog,
What's the alternative? Do nothing and be held hostage to foreign countries for our supply of oil?
Lets start the process of drilling now so we'll have that option when it finally comes in and keep some of money for oil in our country. What is wrong with that?
There are already more than 68 million acres available for drilling. The oil companies have capped productive wells saying that they don't have the equipment to proceed. The oil drilled on US soil goes to world markets, not the US, you ignore this. They oil companies are making money hand over fist right now and do not want to change the situation. If you want us to cease to relying on foreign oil, we should put more money into alternative fuel research. You know all this, it's been shown to you before in many, many other threads, by many, many posters. Once again, you disregard reality and substitute talking points.
History,
Do you have any link that proves domestic oil is shipped overseas?
Snopes.com said that it is a myth.
Check out this link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/alaskaoil.asp"Sold into a world market" does not equate with "shipped overseas" with respect to oil pricing. Gee, kind of like Fred Thompson's "bucket".
Obama asked for a 10 year intensive effort to get us off the Foreign Oil Udder. Can it be done? If we have the political will, it can. Brazil did it. What worked for them may not work for us, but I think we're smart enough to figure it out, if we can get the Oil Companies' tentacles out of our pockets.
Nerzog,
How did Brazil do it? Are they drilling for oil domestically or are they not using oil? Thanks.
Brazil achieved energy independence through a combination of increased oil drilling and increased use of ethanol and alternative fuels:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/19/AR2006081900842.html
"Drill Here - Drill Now" is a simplistic solution to our energy problems. It will require hard work by people who are not beholden to Big Oil - which means Democrats will provide the solutions to our problems.
""Drill Here - Drill Now" is a simplistic solution to our energy problems"
It's an answer, not a solution. And it's a poor answer with no hope of accomplishing the stated goal. The USA does not have enough undrilled oil reserves to go off foreign oil We use too much.
Why is that when the GOP posters here refuese to reply, or drop the argument altogether, whenever they are refuted with facts/reputable links?
I belive that they expose themseleves to be the "talkiing point" pussies that they actually are.
That being the case, why do they continue to recieve reponses to their fart based reponses? Ignore them please.
walstib, that's the general MO of the wingnuts. Post a bunch of opinion nonsense, and ask everybody to refute it. When it's refuted, they just post a fresh pile of it.
I don't generally respond to them, except for brief posts to point out their idiocy.The lengthy rebuttals just flatter them into thinking they're having a discussion. The good news is, if you embarrass them enough, they get too scared to respond to you, and they just ignore you.
Peebs,
Various estimates of oil in the U.S. rank it up there with Saudi Arabia. I find it hard to believe that any increase in domestic oil production will not benefit the U.S. It is a simply matter of supply and demand. Why does it not work in this case?
It was never about drilling now, it was always about tying up the rights to drill in the future when the price per barrel is even higher. Corporations do not serve any country, they only serve profit. Even Pickett is just using the recent energy crises to generate his own profits under the disguise of being a patriotic American who just wants what is best for the country.
The associated press did a great job with this report that dispells all the claims made last night by Palin and 9ui11ani. One example they reported:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
Of course, I think the rude pundit, though often rude, gets right to the point:
And to answer another of Palin's statements, um, a community organizer in the projects of Chicago is probably a little more active than a small town mayor in a distant suburb of Alaska. All Mayor Palin had to deal with was tax abatements for the new Target and the occasional walrus attack.
Snoop:
It's been a day, and I notice no Repulican mouthpieces have been able to reply. Surpise, surprise...
What is clear from the speech last night is that Palin is qualified to be the next VP, and that she will do just fine in a debate with Biden. You want to talk about specifics, then look no further than the complete lack of substance in Obama’s speech last week. He has grand ideas, with no concept of how to pay for them. His war plan is a disaster waiting to happen, and he has no proven ability to lead anything, let alone the most powerful nation on earth.
What would you call the Bush/Cheney/McCain plan then?
Obama's plan calls for bringing troops home. Without a draft the McCain plan has to include making vets go back again.
So you're all in favor of having those who've already served, go back and serve some more, correct?
You want to talk about specifics, then look no further than the complete lack of substance in Obama’s speech last week.
It is only lacking in substance to those who are too dim to understand. Palin's speech was aimed at those who are at the kindergarten level, both intellectually and emotionally. No ownder you thought it was good.
Palin will be able to debate with Biden only if she gets all the questions at least four weeks in advance, and if Biden has a stroke.
If it wasn't for lies...
probably 30% of conservatives wouldn't have anything to talk about at all.
Alright, two questions:
1) If the Redskins-Giants game overlaps McCain's speech (long game [incompletions, high scoring, plays OB, game ends late in OT]), how many people will be hearing his speech?
2) And how much of McCain's speech will be about slamming Barack and encouraging a creepy (almost cult-like) obsession over his mate?
I am just wondering (a la The Onion) if McCain will be able to deliver any of the 'applause' lines without cracking that creepy, fake smile.
Also, the over/under on usage of "My friends..." is at 25.
Another question...
Will the media allow any Democratic response at all to Grampah's speech? Or will it be a seemless presentation worthy of any fascist dictatorship?
Or is this another Hitler - Stalin media moment brought to you by Corporate Media, USA.
There has been a conspicuous lack of Democrats this week. And those that are around are wimps-- I couldn't get over how they fell all over themselves praising Palin's speech.
What a braintrust. If the Dems don't start wising up, they're toast. These are not nice people they are up against, so playing nice isn't going to work.
8,
I had to chuckle that Olbermann's first comment after Huckabee's speech was to say Lincoln was not the founder of the Republican Party. So you had a Democrat responding after every speech. :-)
ps. In fact, according to Wikopedia"
Drawing on remnants of the old Whig, Free Soil, Liberty and Democratic parties, he [Lincoln] was instrumental in forming the new Republican Party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_LincolnOlbermann also corrected Huckabee’s claim that Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party. “It was actually founded in 1854 by disaffected members of the Whig party,” Olbermann said, adding, “Mr. Lincoln joined later on and ran for office in 1860.”
From the GOP website:
"In 1856, the Republicans became a national party when John C. Fremont was nominated for President under the slogan: "Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men, Fremont." Even though they were considered a "third party" because the Democrats and Whigs represented the two-party system at the time, Fremont received 33% of the vote. Four years later, Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican to win the White House."
Isn't the internet a great place to find FACTS
AA....meant to put this in bold for you as well........
"...Four years later, Abraham Lincoln became the first Republican to win the White House."
POV,
Care to back up that assertion? Holy cow!
I thought Huckabee was referring to Biden's electoral votes in the Primaries.
Even if he meant something else, it did make me chuckle.
I didn't know you accumulated electoral votes in the primaries...
Oh, never mind. It's now being reported Sarah Palin received 2-dozen jelly donuts for her victory in Alaska. Go Sarah!!
I didn't know you accumulated electoral votes in the primaries
8 Homes, you're obviously not well-versed in conservative humor. Where real humor is based in reality, the set-up in con humor is made up of pretend stuff. Notice AA's train of thought. He "chuckled" at a joke that didn't make any sense, because it was built on a lie. When that fact is pointed out, he says that he thought the joke was based on some other hallucination.
Let me illustrate with a joke that, while not extremely funny, is at least based on a perceived (if not proven) reality;
Did you hear KMart is having a Michael Jackson sale? Little boys' pants, half off!
Now, let's try the conservative version;
Did you hear KMart is having a Joe Biden sale? Little boys' pants, half off!
While there is no basis for this, not even a rumor, about Biden regarding allegations of abuse, this joke is much funnier to conservatives.
Why? Because it's a lie, and a non-conservative is the butt of the joke. I hope this helps.
Thank you Colonel...
You make a good point. I've never understood conservative humor. Because, as you point out, if humor has no basis in reality, then what value does it have?
Shaggles, I wouldn't put it past any of them to claim it was a joke. It hasn't been presented that way, any more than any of their other BS punchlines.
I've heard this claim on the radio, and it's been posted here as fact.
Maybe this explains why the GOP convention speeches have been filled with so many "zingers" and one-liners. The faithful swallow them as a truth-based punchline, and when they're busted, they can go back to the "just kidding" weasel. As long as they pile them up faster than the other side can clean them up, they've got the ignorant vote locked.
I happen to sit through Giuliani's stomach wrenching speech last night, regretfully. It was so mean, and nasty, and disrespectful and full of so much crap I was astounded. I never could stand him anyway, but his gleeful chuckle and snarky laugh made me almost lose my soon to eaten dinner before I ate it.
And the Republicans were proud of that? Pitiful.
Thank you Tommy.
This is what some of us on the left have been trying to point out for years. Rush, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, etc are not aberrations or exceptions, they are the face of modern day Republican politics. There is no greater proof of that than Giuliani's hour of mean spirited, baseless and insulting schtick followed by Palin outright lying for an hour after that.
Parties and ideologies may disagree on the best way to get things done or to resolve problems, but no solutions can be arrived at as long as the loudest voices in the room think that acting like a spoiled adolescent is wise policy.
I've actually had personal experience with the "just kidding" defense.
I was on a CBS Sportsline message board and someone had posted typical neo-con talking points. Rather than debate, I responded with an ad hominem attack that said he was exactly the type Stephen Colbert satirizes and he must be constantly laughed at. The poster said he had read my post verbatim somewhere else and said my plagarism talents make me an excellent candidate for a journalism career at the NYT. I called him out and asked him to prove where he saw my comment verbatim and he came back with "it was just a joke." Hopefully the link works.
http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/10241636/0/0/10247201#ID10247201
Neo-cons are the real joke - and I'm not laughing.
Funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised if Palin got mor than 76K votes in a town of 6500.
I guess they were using Diebold voting machines.....
These political conventions are full of disposable red meat, served up buffet style for their conventioneers. Should the media even bother reporting such useless "humorous" lines such as this one by Huckabee? No. But they do anyway, and don't even bother to check it out, even lazily, for accuracy. MMFA is right, they should.
Is this what this campaign has been reduced too? Comparing vote totals to see who is more popular or qualified. I will be glad when this convention silliness is over, I can't watch or read another minute of it.
Yeah, I don't know if I should anticipate or dread November. The 1UPsmanship is getting old, but I have a feeling life after November may get worse than it is now...
As you people know, I'm not sold on either Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin. I don't quite think either one is the answer right now.
Neither is the "answer", but we need someone to "right" the ship, which has veered off course considerably in the last 8 years. And for me, that is Obama.....our foreign policy arrogance and impulsiveness needs righting, our Rovian slash and burn divisive politicking to obliterate your opponent needs righting, our corrupt discourse that permeates our politics needs righting, our country needs a new brand of sorts in our fight against Islamic terrorism.
McCain offers nothing in the way of righting anything, for me. And in his first serious decision and most important thus far in his presidential aspirations, he has made an unserious and pandering cynical pick for VP, his focus was on solidifying his evangelical base, not in who is best to step in his shoes if necessary.
If there was any doubt about a McCain vote for me, there is no more.
I see it as something similar to having the option of having either your left arm cut off or your right arm cut off.
It's a dilemma between nationalism and globalization - assimilating with a larger environment or reinforcing your cultural identity; it's a dilemma between defense or commerce - taking one at the risk of losing the other, or even both; and I'm having less time to choose with each passing second...
And for her snarky anti-community organizer remarks, this wonderful reply from the I Am TRex blog site 9-04-08
Says it all doesn't it!
I’d like to remind you that this guy was a community organizer:
As was this guy:
Oh, and don’t forget this guy:
An update from I Am TRex......Super quote of the day!
UPDATE: Quote of the day from a Politico reader.
You should forward that to Obama and Biden, you may not know it but that would be the commercial retort of the century! Seriously!
OT, but who can wear $300,000 in clothes, let alone to the Republican convention? You coult repair that broken bridge in the twin cities for the price of Cindy's outfit!
Sorry, an OT reply to Snoopy... A Michelle Obama convention dress was a Thakoon that retails for about $1,200, but she is all the rage in the fashion circles with her $148 dress she wore on national TV.
So compare that with the Cindy McCain clothing....the McCain/Palin ticket calls Obama and elitist????
" This just in. Michelle Obama wore a $148 dress the other day on national TV. And this is a big deal. And lots of other women are reportedly running into the chain store she mentioned. And maybe not cat-fighting yet but grabbing the dress for themselves.
And a lot of people are talking about this. So here we are writing about it in great excitement too.....[...].....
This expert predicts that Michelle is gonna revolutionize first lady clothes-wearing because she mixes high fashion with cheaper stuff. And we don't mean pantsuits.,,,," Los Angeles Times, Andrew MalcomThat was definitely worth 3,000 words!
I only hope that Obama won't continue the pattern of these other three, in that they were all murdered.
So the first words of his video at the RNC was POW.
SHocking.
He's the new JESUS.
OMG, he followed orders.
Big friggin deal.
Please.
I was under the impression that we were commanded to respect McCain for being a POW.
From the video tonight, I've learned that being in a box gives you super powers.Did I get that right? I think somebody was reading Grampy's own words, and the implication was that being kept in a cell elevates a person to a level that others just can't touch.
If I was an inmate going up for my parole hearing, I'd bring McCain's biography with me.
McCain is a real POW now.
Prisoner of Wasilla.