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Rather than noting immigration reversal, Todd claimed McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics

September 05, 2008 4:11 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Interviewing McCain campaign manager Rick Davis, who touted Sen. John McCain as differing from his party in his support for immigration reform, NBC's Chuck Todd failed to note that McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, aligning himself more closely with the base of his party. Todd also said that McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics.

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During an interview with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis on the September 5 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe in which Davis touted Sen. John McCain as differing from his party in his support for immigration reform, at no point did NBC News political director Chuck Todd note that McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, aligning himself more closely with the base of his party.

Todd asked Davis if he is "worried the numbers are showing that Senator McCain is performing worse among Hispanics than President Bush," and added moments later: "He is not getting votes that his record deserves." Davis replied, in part: "Look what we did as a party. For the last two years, we've told Hispanic voters that we don't want immigration from the southern border. ... There's been a nativist discussion in this country that has hurt our party's ability to attract Hispanic voters." Todd then asked, "Anything to change it?" Davis replied: "The only one in our party who can do that and set it right is John McCain." However, at no point during the discussion did Todd mention that, under pressure from the Republican base, McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, and now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform without being rendered ineffective. A November 4, 2007, Associated Press article reporting on McCain's reversal noted that McCain now "emphasizes securing the borders first," and also quoted McCain stating: "I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift. ... I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders." McCain also stated during a January 30 Republican presidential primary debate that he would not support the immigration reform bill he co-sponsored with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) if it came to a vote on the Senate floor.

In a March 3 New York Times article, Elisabeth Bumiller wrote, "Senator John McCain likes to present himself as the candidate of the 'Straight Talk Express' who does not pander to voters or change his positions with the political breeze. But the fine print of his record in the Senate indicates that he has been a lot less consistent on some of his signature issues than he has presented himself to be so far in his presidential campaign." On immigration, Bumiller wrote:

Mr. McCain has also moved from his original position on immigration. In 2005, he joined forces with Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, to co-sponsor an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws. Although the legislation included toughening border security, its center was a provision that would have provided a pathway to citizenship for many of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

Conservatives immediately branded the bill as amnesty and fired steadily at Mr. McCain. After seeing his campaign and his fund-raising efforts derail last summer -- which his advisers attributed in large part to his position on immigration -- Mr. McCain now says that he got the message from voters. These days he speaks almost exclusively about border security, although he does say that it is not possible to deport 12 million illegal immigrants and that he would never deport the mother of a soldier serving in Iraq.

Additionally, in a June 20 Politico piece, journalist Gebe Martinez reported on McCain's reversal on immigration:

McCain, the Arizona senator, dismayed Latinos last year when he stepped back from his immigration bill that would have tightened the borders and legalized undocumented immigrants. As boos and hisses from angry Republican conservatives grew louder at campaign events, he switched course and vowed to "first" secure the borders. Were his failed bill to come up again, he would not vote for it, he said.

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Trying to regain Latino support, McCain has chastised Republicans who stoke the fires of the immigration at election time. And at a private meeting with Chicago-area Latinos last week, he promised to push for a comprehensive immigration bill.

"It sounds like he's trying to have it both ways, and it's not convincing anyone," said Frank Sharry, who also was involved in immigration bill negotiations when he headed the National Immigration Forum.

This is not the McCain Hispanics thought they knew. Even after the 2001 terrorist attacks placed an emphasis on national security, McCain's speeches to Latino audiences and on the Senate floor prioritized the compassionate side of the immigration argument.

He understood that border security "first" means "deportation only" in the eyes of immigrant activists, and he championed a broader approach.

As the Senate mulled immigration in 2006, McCain often stood in the Capitol's corridors, pounding his fist in the air, arguing that border enforcement would not work without simultaneously penalizing employers who hire workers illegally, creating a temporary worker program and finding a way to bring 12 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows" of society.

"It won't work! It won't work!" he protested of suggestions to do enforcement first. The stool cannot stand on one leg.

As Media Matters noted, on the February 14 edition of Morning Joe, Todd asserted that McCain is a "moderate," even though McCain has reversed his position on immigration and other issues to align himself with the base of the Republican Party.

From the September 5 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

TODD: Rick, last night -- last night in Senator McCain's speech, I saw him use the word "Latina." He was talking about a Latina woman, trying to -- it was the first time all week that I had seen your party even remotely talk about the Hispanics or even reach out to the Hispanic vote. Are you worried the numbers are showing that Senator McCain is performing worse among Hispanics than President Bush? And maybe this is a party problem.

DAVIS: Well, sure --

TODD: But how do you carry Colorado and New Mexico and Nevada with underperforming President Bush on Hispanics?

DAVIS: Oh, look, we don't want to underperform anybody on Hispanics. John McCain is -- for his entire career --

TODD: Well, that's right. There's no question his record --

DAVIS: -- has gotten more Hispanic votes than any other candidate in the country.

TODD: He's not getting votes that his record deserves.

DAVIS: But look what we did. Look what we --

TODD: In this case --

DAVIS: -- did as a party. For the last two years, we've told Hispanic voters that we don't want immigration from the southern border, that we don't -- and, you know what? The message, you can't bifurcate it. It's not just legal immigration and illegal immigration.

TODD: They're not hearing it, and that's been the problem. They're not hearing that.

DAVIS: There's been a nativist discussion in this country that has hurt our party's ability to attract Hispanic voters.

TODD: Anything to change it?

DAVIS: The only one in our party who can do that and set it right is John McCain.

TODD: Why didn't he talk about it more last night or through this convention?

DAVIS: Well, look, I mean, we had some great people at the convention talking about it -- Tommy Espinoza, who is Jimmy McCain's godfather, someone who John McCain has done all kinds of good works with. You know, a former CEO of La Raza was a speaker at our convention. He's not what you call a rock-ribbed Republican.

You look at our speakers at our convention and we had a lot of people who are not Republicans come and talk to our convention. And I think the message that our convention gave is the kind of message that the McCain administration is going to give, and that is party labels don't give you access. What you -- gives you access is whether you're going to put your country first, set aside your own partisan interests, and do good for the country.

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    • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 05, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
         
      Who is this McCain person?  Is he somehow related to the Republican nominee, Sarah Palin?
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (September 05, 2008 4:34 pm ET)
           
        He's a dad with 7 kids, that's who he is. And there's something else about him I can't recall right now, something about bombing Japs, I think.
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      • Author by DorisRussell (September 05, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
           

        McCain is a war criminal who continues to endorse the idea of American men and women get killed in the illegal occupation of Iraq.

        That is who McCain is.

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        • Author by RoberttheP (September 05, 2008 4:42 pm ET)
             
          War Criminal? Are you a member of a radical left wing group? get off your high horse.  Why don't you sit in a POW Camp for 5 years.  Talk like that is what is killing this country, pure hate toward anyone who differs from your views.
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (September 05, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
               
            How did McCain's experience as a POW affect his vote on the War in Iraq, Bob?
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (September 05, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                 

              How did McCain's experience as a POW affect his vote on the War in Iraq, Bob?

              Don't know about that...but the experience has apparently resulted in a compulsion to acquire multiple homes. I don't know if there is any truth to the rumor that he chirps like a bird whenever he's around a person of Asian descent. But he doesn't like to talk about it...  ;>) 

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              • Author by rpdion (September 06, 2008 9:35 am ET)
                   
                   I bet you would have never given in because you would have been in canada!
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          • Author by onionhead (September 05, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
               
            No. McCain is not a war criminal.  He only abets a war criminal. 
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            • Author by rrastro (September 05, 2008 10:17 pm ET)
                 
              what war crime?
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              • Author by onionhead (September 06, 2008 12:14 am ET)
                   

                If you haven't figured that out yet, what's the frickin' point of even answering you?

                At this point you might as well keep telling yourself that Bush is the greatest thing in this country.  I sure the hell ain't convince ya of a damn thing.

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          • Author by RABBITLUVR (September 05, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
               

            Ah jeez, here we go again with the POW crap! I mean, god, they only mentioned it about 200 times last night!

            Knock it off guys. Seriously. That talking point has been not just overcooked it's been obliterated.

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          • Author by my4cents (September 05, 2008 10:07 pm ET)
               
            Someone who has been a "POW" cannot be a war criminal?
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          • Author by sambo (September 06, 2008 5:27 am ET)
               

             Maybe you should look up his pow war record to SEE how much the poor   man suffered, and while you are at it ,maybe you could look up his political record. HE IS A WAR MONGER just  like the ones hes servrved for 20+ years, and if you believe this mumble-jumble that he is working for you, you have been had. TODD said McCain is not getting the hispanic votes his record deserves. We do have a problem with the vast number of hispanics,but most are not stupid, and are not impressed by MSMs padded propaganda. they've gone to the trouble to check out the REAL McCain 

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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 05, 2008 5:29 pm ET)
             
          Doris, I just have to disagree publicly with you on this war criminal thing and vehemently., McCain publicly stated he broke down during the interrogations and i have nothing but compassion for what this man went thru. I think we should completely separate McCain the NAVY pilot from McCain the senator.  . McCain fought for the interests of this nation under orders coming down from the commander-in-chief of that time . He followed orders. And to o those who paint him as a fighter pilot, he was pilot of an A4 Skyhawk, a carrier borne bomber. Emotions are very high this election cycle.
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          • Author by DorisRussell (September 05, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
               

            Wolf, let me be more clear.

            I do not believe McCain is a "war criminal" because of his participation in Vietnam, I applaud and honor him for that.

            I believe he is a "war criminal" for his continued support of this illegal war in Iraq.

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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 05, 2008 9:27 pm ET)
                 
              Fair enought and duly noted. However i attribute the conduct of this war solely to the Bush/Cheney governance and those subbordinates who refused to believe Hans Blix assessment. History may ascribe them the proper epithaph,
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            • Author by rrastro (September 05, 2008 10:18 pm ET)
                 
              the war is authorized by congress...that makes it legal
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    • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
         
      I would like Eric Boehlert and Jamison Foster to prove this assertion (which is the foundation of their claim):

      at no point during the discussion did Todd mention that, under pressure from the Republican base, McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform,

      Who says his decision was based on "pressure from the Republican base"?

      I think this is classic MMFA misinformation.
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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 05, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
           

        Max-

        I don't think it was pressure from liberals that forced McCain to flip-flop on immigration.

        He either did it because of pressure from the base, or because of political convenience (to appease the base) which are basically the same thing.

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        • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
             
          Good thinking.

          So, using your logic… The only reason you wash your car is because of pressure from your wife, or because the neighbors were complaining; certainly not because you thought it prudent.
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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 05, 2008 4:35 pm ET)
               

            Um.... I'm not a politician, Max. 

            However, if you think McCain flip-flopped for reasons OTHER than appeasing the base, then doesn't that mean he isn't very headstrong in his convictions?  Does he just change his mind as the wind blows?

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            • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
                 
              A perfect example of how a liberal will approach an argument.

              I ask for proof that McCain caved under pressure from the Republican party, and you resort to the cheap and illogical assertion that:

              He changed his mind, ergo he flip-flopped, and he just changes his mind as the wind blows.

              That’s silly man. All leaders change their minds, that fact that McCain changed his mind is not newsworthy.

              Anywho, nice try.
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              • Author by neon desert (September 05, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
                   

                No, the nice try was your assertion that the allegation that McCain flip flopped because of GOP pressure was the basis of this column.  It wasn't, because the column makes its point even if McCain flip flopped because you washed your car.

                Also, remember 4 years ago - "flip flop flip flop" at the GOP convention?  Sounds like the Republican party has a problem with integrity, doesn't it?

                Quit being obtuse.  You partisan shills are obnoxious.  Get a hobby.  Go buy yourself a cable rabbit to take care of or something.

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              • Author by RABBITLUVR (September 05, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
                   

                Quit playing dumb, Max. Ever listen to righty talk radio? Jeff? Sean? Mark? Savage? They POUNDED McSurge over immigration for MONTHS, nonstop.

                Ever heard of the so-called 'Levin surge'? Yeah, you know, the intentional jamming of Senate phone lines and computers by the Levinites... morons who religiously listen to The Detestable One, aka His Vileness, aka Mark Levin? You wanna tell me THAT isn't 'pressure'?

                The talk radio goons have much more influence than you think.

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              • Author by my4cents (September 05, 2008 10:11 pm ET)
                   
                And Kerry was not a politician in 2004?
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            • Author by ultrasanktpauli (September 05, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
                 
              Sure...but i bet y9u have a car...when's the last time it got washed brighboy..huh?
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (September 05, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
               
            Then YOU tell us why McCain flip-flopped... We'd love to be enlightened, I'm sure...
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 05, 2008 4:27 pm ET)
           

        Speaking to a half-filled ballroom, Rep. Mike Pence, a GOP stalwart from Indiana, implored McCain to take on the conservative mantle both in his politics and personality.

        "If you will continue to run on conservative issues and continue to build a solid conservative team and ticket, we can and will support you," said Pence. "You've claimed the Reagan mantle. Show us you know how to use it."

        Pence's address came a day after McCain himself took the podium at CPAC. Organizers had urged the crowd yesterday to remain cordial to the Arizona Republican, who spoke after Romney announced his resignation from the race. And while McCain did receive positive reviews for his speech, he was nevertheless booed when the topic turned to his tryst with immigration reform: a widely unpopular position among conservatives.

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 05, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
             
          I think it's pressure from those elite $50/hr. lettuce pickers trying to protect their sweetheart jobs.
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          • Author by neon desert (September 05, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
               
            Listen, I got no problem at all with paying somebody $50/hour if they can pick the lettuce before the cable rabbits get to it.
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            • Author by rrastro (September 05, 2008 10:23 pm ET)
                 
              considering that the 50$ an hour lettuce picking was jibe at union people who say mexicans take all the good jobs and when a few raised their hands that the would accedpt that wage mccain called them the liars they were.
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        • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
             
          Meaningless and proves nothing.

          You'll have to do a lot better than that.
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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 05, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
               

            OK, so far we've proven:

            A. McCain took a liberal position on immigration reform

            B. McCain received pressure from the conservative base to shift his position

            C. McCain shifted his position to a more conservative stance.

            Now, even though A, B, and C are all true, the fact that we can't PROVE that B caused C makes the entire MMFA article false, and Barack Obama is a Muslim, OMG!!!

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            • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
                 
              "Secret" Muslim Kyle, "Secret"!

              PS. Ty, that was funny!
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            • Author by ultrasanktpauli (September 05, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                 
              don't try to dodge...tell us about when you last washed that car of yours.
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            • Author by shaggles (September 05, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
                 
              The article doesn't say that B caused C.
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              • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 05, 2008 7:08 pm ET)
                   

                But Max says it does.

                (it actually sort of does, buried in the small print.  this doesn't make the article itself false, or even merit a WITH...)

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (September 05, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
           

        " Who says his decision was based on "pressure from the Republican base"?"

        No, you're right. It was divine revelation; he went off to the mountaintop for an extended period of cleansing and prayer.

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (September 05, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
             

          for an extended period of cleansing

          Many people do have problems with personal hygiene as they reach old age...so let's not single out just John McCain. ;>)

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        • Author by Max Dharma (September 05, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
             
          Liberal argument technique #13

          When you have no answer, throw out sarcastic nonsense and hope the lemmings follow.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (September 05, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
               
            So, Max...exactly why has McCain flip-flopped? Perhaps you are correct...maybe no one pressured McCain. He did it voluntarily to pander for conservative votes because he wants to be president so badly he'll do or say anything...that's much more honorable, I guess.
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          • Author by MidnightWriter (September 05, 2008 5:33 pm ET)
               

            Conservative Argument Technique #1, Max. When the topic makes you look bad shift it towards something irrelevant.

            It's a favorite of Hannity's.

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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (September 05, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
           
        Straw man. MMFA states that, while under pressure from the right, McGramps reversed his immigration position. They do not state that the pressure was the cause of the reversal.

        Your skills in reading basic English need improvement.
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    • Author by carlileb5935 (September 05, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
         

      Remember, these guys are all salaried. And remember who their bosses are.

      I think liberal critics and Democrats in general do not take too seriously-- or don't want to think about-- the fact that the news media and popular culture itself is run by Republicans.

      The game is rigged from the beginning, which is the main reason why these things happen.

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    • Author by MidnightWriter (September 05, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
         
      I'd just like to know how anybody can assume that any politician on the left or the right deserves a vote from any individual much less and entire group.  Apparently I've been under the idea that a vote is something to be earned.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (September 05, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
         

      Anyone else remenber Pat (Buckaru) Buchanon's complaint that the African American population wasn't properly greatfull to all the things america brought them?

      Seems like all them darm minorities are just too uppity.

      For safety's sake, not condescending's sake. <sarcasm off>

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    • Author by ukobserver (September 05, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
         

      Rather than noting immigration reversal, Todd claimed McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics

       

      Well the answer's simple really. It's because McCain is a lying sack of sh*t.

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    • Author by Bettybb (September 07, 2008 12:43 am ET)
         

      The reality is, Americans want the borders sealed.

      The reality is, 70% of Americans want deportation only. 

      No one is above the law in America, not even Hispanic illegal aliens.

      There will be no amnesty and no immunity from crimes for illegal aliens.

      McCain may try and get some form of amnesty and immunity through, but it won't pass. Americans will rise up and shut it down.

      Obama may talk a good game, but did you note Blacks cheered in Mississippi when illegal aliens were arrested? There is an out and out clash in LA between Black Americans and Hispanic illegals. Illegals are causing serious harm to all Americans, but Black in particular. Whose side is Obama going to be on?

       

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