Rather than noting immigration reversal, Todd claimed McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics
SUMMARY: Interviewing McCain campaign manager Rick Davis, who touted Sen. John McCain as differing from his party in his support for immigration reform, NBC's Chuck Todd failed to note that McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, aligning himself more closely with the base of his party. Todd also said that McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics.
During an interview with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis on the September 5 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe in which Davis touted Sen. John McCain as differing from his party in his support for immigration reform, at no point did NBC News political director Chuck Todd note that McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, aligning himself more closely with the base of his party.
Todd asked Davis if he is "worried the numbers are showing that Senator McCain is performing worse among Hispanics than President Bush," and added moments later: "He is not getting votes that his record deserves." Davis replied, in part: "Look what we did as a party. For the last two years, we've told Hispanic voters that we don't want immigration from the southern border. ... There's been a nativist discussion in this country that has hurt our party's ability to attract Hispanic voters." Todd then asked, "Anything to change it?" Davis replied: "The only one in our party who can do that and set it right is John McCain." However, at no point during the discussion did Todd mention that, under pressure from the Republican base, McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform, and now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform without being rendered ineffective. A November 4, 2007, Associated Press article reporting on McCain's reversal noted that McCain now "emphasizes securing the borders first," and also quoted McCain stating: "I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift. ... I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders." McCain also stated during a January 30 Republican presidential primary debate that he would not support the immigration reform bill he co-sponsored with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) if it came to a vote on the Senate floor.
In a March 3 New York Times article, Elisabeth Bumiller wrote, "Senator John McCain likes to present himself as the candidate of the 'Straight Talk Express' who does not pander to voters or change his positions with the political breeze. But the fine print of his record in the Senate indicates that he has been a lot less consistent on some of his signature issues than he has presented himself to be so far in his presidential campaign." On immigration, Bumiller wrote:
Mr. McCain has also moved from his original position on immigration. In 2005, he joined forces with Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, to co-sponsor an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws. Although the legislation included toughening border security, its center was a provision that would have provided a pathway to citizenship for many of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States.
Conservatives immediately branded the bill as amnesty and fired steadily at Mr. McCain. After seeing his campaign and his fund-raising efforts derail last summer -- which his advisers attributed in large part to his position on immigration -- Mr. McCain now says that he got the message from voters. These days he speaks almost exclusively about border security, although he does say that it is not possible to deport 12 million illegal immigrants and that he would never deport the mother of a soldier serving in Iraq.
Additionally, in a June 20 Politico piece, journalist Gebe Martinez reported on McCain's reversal on immigration:
McCain, the Arizona senator, dismayed Latinos last year when he stepped back from his immigration bill that would have tightened the borders and legalized undocumented immigrants. As boos and hisses from angry Republican conservatives grew louder at campaign events, he switched course and vowed to "first" secure the borders. Were his failed bill to come up again, he would not vote for it, he said.
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Trying to regain Latino support, McCain has chastised Republicans who stoke the fires of the immigration at election time. And at a private meeting with Chicago-area Latinos last week, he promised to push for a comprehensive immigration bill.
"It sounds like he's trying to have it both ways, and it's not convincing anyone," said Frank Sharry, who also was involved in immigration bill negotiations when he headed the National Immigration Forum.
This is not the McCain Hispanics thought they knew. Even after the 2001 terrorist attacks placed an emphasis on national security, McCain's speeches to Latino audiences and on the Senate floor prioritized the compassionate side of the immigration argument.
He understood that border security "first" means "deportation only" in the eyes of immigrant activists, and he championed a broader approach.
As the Senate mulled immigration in 2006, McCain often stood in the Capitol's corridors, pounding his fist in the air, arguing that border enforcement would not work without simultaneously penalizing employers who hire workers illegally, creating a temporary worker program and finding a way to bring 12 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows" of society.
"It won't work! It won't work!" he protested of suggestions to do enforcement first. The stool cannot stand on one leg.
As Media Matters noted, on the February 14 edition of Morning Joe, Todd asserted that McCain is a "moderate," even though McCain has reversed his position on immigration and other issues to align himself with the base of the Republican Party.
From the September 5 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
TODD: Rick, last night -- last night in Senator McCain's speech, I saw him use the word "Latina." He was talking about a Latina woman, trying to -- it was the first time all week that I had seen your party even remotely talk about the Hispanics or even reach out to the Hispanic vote. Are you worried the numbers are showing that Senator McCain is performing worse among Hispanics than President Bush? And maybe this is a party problem.
DAVIS: Well, sure --
TODD: But how do you carry Colorado and New Mexico and Nevada with underperforming President Bush on Hispanics?
DAVIS: Oh, look, we don't want to underperform anybody on Hispanics. John McCain is -- for his entire career --
TODD: Well, that's right. There's no question his record --
DAVIS: -- has gotten more Hispanic votes than any other candidate in the country.
TODD: He's not getting votes that his record deserves.
DAVIS: But look what we did. Look what we --
TODD: In this case --
DAVIS: -- did as a party. For the last two years, we've told Hispanic voters that we don't want immigration from the southern border, that we don't -- and, you know what? The message, you can't bifurcate it. It's not just legal immigration and illegal immigration.
TODD: They're not hearing it, and that's been the problem. They're not hearing that.
DAVIS: There's been a nativist discussion in this country that has hurt our party's ability to attract Hispanic voters.
TODD: Anything to change it?
DAVIS: The only one in our party who can do that and set it right is John McCain.
TODD: Why didn't he talk about it more last night or through this convention?
DAVIS: Well, look, I mean, we had some great people at the convention talking about it -- Tommy Espinoza, who is Jimmy McCain's godfather, someone who John McCain has done all kinds of good works with. You know, a former CEO of La Raza was a speaker at our convention. He's not what you call a rock-ribbed Republican.
You look at our speakers at our convention and we had a lot of people who are not Republicans come and talk to our convention. And I think the message that our convention gave is the kind of message that the McCain administration is going to give, and that is party labels don't give you access. What you -- gives you access is whether you're going to put your country first, set aside your own partisan interests, and do good for the country.













McCain is a war criminal who continues to endorse the idea of American men and women get killed in the illegal occupation of Iraq.
That is who McCain is.
How did McCain's experience as a POW affect his vote on the War in Iraq, Bob?
Don't know about that...but the experience has apparently resulted in a compulsion to acquire multiple homes. I don't know if there is any truth to the rumor that he chirps like a bird whenever he's around a person of Asian descent. But he doesn't like to talk about it... ;>)
If you haven't figured that out yet, what's the frickin' point of even answering you?
At this point you might as well keep telling yourself that Bush is the greatest thing in this country. I sure the hell ain't convince ya of a damn thing.
Ah jeez, here we go again with the POW crap! I mean, god, they only mentioned it about 200 times last night!
Knock it off guys. Seriously. That talking point has been not just overcooked it's been obliterated.
Maybe you should look up his pow war record to SEE how much the poor man suffered, and while you are at it ,maybe you could look up his political record. HE IS A WAR MONGER just like the ones hes servrved for 20+ years, and if you believe this mumble-jumble that he is working for you, you have been had. TODD said McCain is not getting the hispanic votes his record deserves. We do have a problem with the vast number of hispanics,but most are not stupid, and are not impressed by MSMs padded propaganda. they've gone to the trouble to check out the REAL McCain
Wolf, let me be more clear.
I do not believe McCain is a "war criminal" because of his participation in Vietnam, I applaud and honor him for that.
I believe he is a "war criminal" for his continued support of this illegal war in Iraq.
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BASED ON LIES FROM SIR GEORGE
at no point during the discussion did Todd mention that, under pressure from the Republican base, McCain reversed himself on a key component of immigration reform,
Who says his decision was based on "pressure from the Republican base"?
I think this is classic MMFA misinformation.
Max-
I don't think it was pressure from liberals that forced McCain to flip-flop on immigration.
He either did it because of pressure from the base, or because of political convenience (to appease the base) which are basically the same thing.
So, using your logic… The only reason you wash your car is because of pressure from your wife, or because the neighbors were complaining; certainly not because you thought it prudent.
Um.... I'm not a politician, Max.
However, if you think McCain flip-flopped for reasons OTHER than appeasing the base, then doesn't that mean he isn't very headstrong in his convictions? Does he just change his mind as the wind blows?
I ask for proof that McCain caved under pressure from the Republican party, and you resort to the cheap and illogical assertion that:
He changed his mind, ergo he flip-flopped, and he just changes his mind as the wind blows.
That’s silly man. All leaders change their minds, that fact that McCain changed his mind is not newsworthy.
Anywho, nice try.
No, the nice try was your assertion that the allegation that McCain flip flopped because of GOP pressure was the basis of this column. It wasn't, because the column makes its point even if McCain flip flopped because you washed your car.
Also, remember 4 years ago - "flip flop flip flop" at the GOP convention? Sounds like the Republican party has a problem with integrity, doesn't it?
Quit being obtuse. You partisan shills are obnoxious. Get a hobby. Go buy yourself a cable rabbit to take care of or something.
Quit playing dumb, Max. Ever listen to righty talk radio? Jeff? Sean? Mark? Savage? They POUNDED McSurge over immigration for MONTHS, nonstop.
Ever heard of the so-called 'Levin surge'? Yeah, you know, the intentional jamming of Senate phone lines and computers by the Levinites... morons who religiously listen to The Detestable One, aka His Vileness, aka Mark Levin? You wanna tell me THAT isn't 'pressure'?
The talk radio goons have much more influence than you think.
Speaking to a half-filled ballroom, Rep. Mike Pence, a GOP stalwart from Indiana, implored McCain to take on the conservative mantle both in his politics and personality.
"If you will continue to run on conservative issues and continue to build a solid conservative team and ticket, we can and will support you," said Pence. "You've claimed the Reagan mantle. Show us you know how to use it."
Pence's address came a day after McCain himself took the podium at CPAC. Organizers had urged the crowd yesterday to remain cordial to the Arizona Republican, who spoke after Romney announced his resignation from the race. And while McCain did receive positive reviews for his speech, he was nevertheless booed when the topic turned to his tryst with immigration reform: a widely unpopular position among conservatives.
You'll have to do a lot better than that.
OK, so far we've proven:
A. McCain took a liberal position on immigration reform
B. McCain received pressure from the conservative base to shift his position
C. McCain shifted his position to a more conservative stance.
Now, even though A, B, and C are all true, the fact that we can't PROVE that B caused C makes the entire MMFA article false, and Barack Obama is a Muslim, OMG!!!
PS. Ty, that was funny!
But Max says it does.
(it actually sort of does, buried in the small print. this doesn't make the article itself false, or even merit a WITH...)
" Who says his decision was based on "pressure from the Republican base"?"
No, you're right. It was divine revelation; he went off to the mountaintop for an extended period of cleansing and prayer.
for an extended period of cleansing
Many people do have problems with personal hygiene as they reach old age...so let's not single out just John McCain. ;>)
When you have no answer, throw out sarcastic nonsense and hope the lemmings follow.
Conservative Argument Technique #1, Max. When the topic makes you look bad shift it towards something irrelevant.
It's a favorite of Hannity's.
Your skills in reading basic English need improvement.
Remember, these guys are all salaried. And remember who their bosses are.
I think liberal critics and Democrats in general do not take too seriously-- or don't want to think about-- the fact that the news media and popular culture itself is run by Republicans.
The game is rigged from the beginning, which is the main reason why these things happen.
Anyone else remenber Pat (Buckaru) Buchanon's complaint that the African American population wasn't properly greatfull to all the things america brought them?
Seems like all them darm minorities are just too uppity.
For safety's sake, not condescending's sake. <sarcasm off>
Rather than noting immigration reversal, Todd claimed McCain "is not getting votes that his record deserves" from Hispanics
Well the answer's simple really. It's because McCain is a lying sack of sh*t.
The reality is, Americans want the borders sealed.
The reality is, 70% of Americans want deportation only.
No one is above the law in America, not even Hispanic illegal aliens.
There will be no amnesty and no immunity from crimes for illegal aliens.
McCain may try and get some form of amnesty and immunity through, but it won't pass. Americans will rise up and shut it down.
Obama may talk a good game, but did you note Blacks cheered in Mississippi when illegal aliens were arrested? There is an out and out clash in LA between Black Americans and Hispanic illegals. Illegals are causing serious harm to all Americans, but Black in particular. Whose side is Obama going to be on?