Hannity accuses Obama of "outright falsehood" in saying Fox News -- home of the "terrorist fist jab" smear -- has suggested he is Muslim
SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Alan Colmes stated that "there are those who have said" that Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim, but "it's not a Fox thing." On his radio show, Sean Hannity also said that "[n]o one has ever suggested that" Obama is a Muslim. In fact, Fox News hosts -- one of whom asked if an affectionate gesture by the Obamas was "a terrorist fist jab" -- have repeatedly promoted false reports about Obama's religion, including the false report that Obama was educated in a madrassa.
On the September 8 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, referring to Sen. Barack Obama's appearance on ABC's This Week the previous day, co-host Sean Hannity asserted that "Barack Obama was on with [host] George Stephanopoulos this week, and among the many things he said -- he's accusing Republicans and commentators suggesting that he is a Muslim. And particularly, he singles out Fox News." Later, co-host Alan Colmes noted that during the Stephanopoulos interview, Obama said that Sen. John McCain had not "accuse[d] him of being a Muslim." Hannity interjected: "Neither has anyone on Fox." Colmes then responded in part: "[I]t's not a Fox thing, but there are those who have said that about ... Barack Obama." Earlier, on his nationally syndicated radio show, Hannity asserted that Obama "says ... Fox News and Republican commentators suggest that, in other words, that he is a Muslim. No one has ever suggested that. Now, we're going to go through this record here today, because this is an outright falsehood on his part." In fact, Fox News hosts -- one of whom asked if an affectionate gesture by the Obamas was "a terrorist fist jab" -- have repeatedly promoted false reports about Obama's religion, including the false report that Obama was educated in a madrassa or Islamic school.
Examples of the false stories Fox News anchors have promoted include:
- On January 19, 2007, Fox & Friends
co-hosts Brian Kilmeade, Steve Doocy, and Gretchen Carlson advanced
a false
InsightMag.com report that Obama was educated in a madrassa, as a
child in Indonesia.
At one point on Fox & Friends First,
Doocy asked: "When people find out this stuff, they're going to go,
'Why didn't anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised as
-- spent the first decade of his life raised by his Muslim father as a
Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?' " Kilmeade responded,
"Yeah, is that a problem?" He added: "Evidently, when he
was a little kid, he went over to Indonesia and went to a
madrassa. He -- in his two best-selling books, he doesn't really mention
this in detail."
On the January 22, 2007, edition of Fox & Friends, the co-hosts "clarif[ied]" their previous reporting on the madrassa story. During the segment, Doocy said: "Mr. Obama's people called and they said that that is absolutely false. They said the idea that Barack Obama went to a radical Muslim school is completely ridiculous," as Media Matters for America documented. Kilmeade stated that the Obama camp "wanted to make it clear ... he had nothing to do with going to any radical Islamic school, and he was very angry about it."
- Then-Fox News television host
John Gibson also reported
on the false madrassa story on January 19, 2007 (also advancing the baseless smear that
Sen. Hillary Clinton was responsible for the story). Gibson stated:
"The New York
senator [Hillary Clinton] has reportedly outed Obama's madrassa past.
That's right -- Clinton
team reported to have pulled out all the stops to reveal something Obama
would rather you didn't know -- that he was educated in a Muslim
madrassa." In one of the two segments he dedicated to the story that
day, Gibson read a statement from Obama's office that said: "The idea
that Senator Barack Obama attended some radical Islamic school is
completely ludicrous. Senator Obama is a committed Christian and attends
the United Church of Christ in Chicago."
During a segment with Republican strategist Terry Holt, Gibson said: "I'm going to put it up on the screen: Barack's madrassa past." He later referred to the story as "the madrassa bomb dropped on Barack Obama." In his "My Word" segment, Gibson said: "Americans have a visceral reaction to the word 'madrassa.' In our world, a madrassa's where zealots train your Muslim kids to hate America, to hate the West, and to be killers. Saying Obama attended a madrassa is tying Obama's name to terrorism, and that is real political hardball in action, especially when Obama himself said in his own book that he attended a predominantly Muslim school as a youngster in Indonesia."
- On the June 16 edition of Fox
News' Special Report,
host Brit Hume pointed to a statement
on Obama's website that Obama "has never been a Muslim, and is a
committed Christian" and stated:
"But Obama's half brother is not so sure." Hume continued,
falsely stating that "Malik Obama tells The Jerusalem Post that 'if elected his brother will be
a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.'
"
During the June 26 edition of Special Report, Hume issued a correction, saying: "[L]ast week, we quoted The Jerusalem Post in the story about Barack Obama's half brother Malik Obama. The Post reported that in an interview with Israeli Army Radio, Malik Obama said his brother would be a good president despite his Muslim background. It now turns out that the Post did not quite understand what Malik Obama was saying in the interview and paraphrased him incorrectly. Malik Obama did not say that his older brother has a Muslim background. The Jerusalem Post has since removed the story from its website, and we regret the error." But while Hume acknowledged an "error," he understated its extent. Suggesting that his only "error" was in repeating a flawed report in the Post, Hume did not acknowledge that he had falsely claimed Malik Obama had spoken with The Jerusalem Post, which the Post did not, in fact, claim.
Additionally, during the February 27 edition of Fox & Friends, while discussing conservative radio host Bill Cunningham's repeated references to Obama's middle name -- Hussein -- at a February 26 rally for Sen. John McCain, co-host Gretchen Carlson asserted: "[T]he silent thing that nobody is really talking about here is the reason that he was saying the middle name so many times ... is because the connotation is that Barack Obama is a Muslim potentially. His father was a Muslim." Carlson then referred to claims that Obama is a Muslim as "rumors," but neither she nor Doocy and Kilmeade pointed out that those rumors are false.
Further, on the June 6 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse, host E.D. Hill teased an upcoming discussion about the Obamas' fist bump by saying: "A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab? The gesture everyone seems to interpret differently." Hill later apologized for her comments.
From the September 8 broadcast of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: Let me -- I want to throw you to another tape, here, because Barack Obama was on with George Stephanopoulos this week, and among the many things he said -- he's accusing Republicans and commentators suggesting that he is a Muslim. And particularly, he singles out Fox News, which I think we edited out of this, here, and then himself, he uses the phrase, "my Muslim faith," and that has been talked about a lot. Let's roll this tape.
[begin video clip]
OBAMA: Let's not play games. What I was suggesting --you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right that that is not come --
STEPHANOPOULOS: Christian faith.
OBAMA: Yeah, my Christian faith, and -- well, what I'm saying is he hasn't suggested that --
STEPHANOPOULOS: His connections -- right.
OBAMA: -- that I'm a Muslim.
[end video clip]
HANNITY: All right, Steve, he's saying that there are Republicans and campaign people, they throw the rock and they hide. So, he's really suggesting and accusing the camp. Can you name -- I want -- I have a two-part question: Can you name any Republican on Fox who's said that, number one? And -- or any prominent member of the McCain campaign that says it? Because this is a guy who keeps saying, oh, they're going to make fun of my name. They're going to say I'm a Muslim. They're going to say I don't look like the guys on the currency. Oh, and they're going to say he's black.
He's using these words. Why does he want to create a victimhood -- on the second part of the question?
STEVE ELMENDORF (former Kerry campaign adviser): Well, I don't think he's playing the victim any more than I think Republicans are trying to play the victim with Sarah Palin. At the end of the day, Sean, this raises --
HANNITY: Why is he saying those things about -- why is he saying these attacks are happening when they're not?
ELMENDORF: Sean, at the end of the day, this isn't about the surrogates for either campaign, it isn't about the [unintelligible] on the Republican side --
HANNITY: He's saying it.
COLMES: All right, John McCain said -- John McCain did not go after him or accuse him of being a Muslim, which is what --
HANNITY: Neither has anyone on Fox.
COLMES: -- he said there. And unfortunately, we didn't see the Fox part there, but you're right. Nobody -- it's not a Fox thing, but there are those who have said that about --
ANDREA TANTAROS (Republican strategist): Right, the Clintons.
COLMES: -- about Barack Obama. Now, you --
TANTAROS: The Clintons.
COLMES: -- want to blame the Clintons. Floyd Brown did it. The Willie Horton ad did it. He --
TANTAROS: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
COLMES: There are people on the right who've done it.
TANTAROS: Alan, when Hillary Clinton was asked --
COLMES: And don't you -- don't blame the Clintons --
TANTAROS: Oh, come on.
COLMES: -- for it, Andrea. Come on.
TANTAROS: When Hillary Clinton was asked if Barack Obama was a Muslim, she said, "Oh, not that I know of."
COLMES: Come on, you want to blame --
TANTAROS: I mean, come on.
COLMES: -- the Clintons?
TANTAROS: And racism?
COLMES: You know what? Take responsibility.
TANTAROS: She's the only -- she's the only one --
COLMES: Come on, take responsibility.
TANTAROS: -- that injected racism in this.
COLMES: Steve, they want to --
TANTAROS: McCain hasn't, I haven't, no one has.
From the September 8 edition of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:
HANNITY: Now, we're also going to get into, in the course of the program, some of the comments -- now we're up to five attacks, by name, by Senator Barack Obama. I -- you know what? I tell ya, I still have not seen the attack on Fox that Obama made, and, until I do, I can't play it for you, 'cause I want to see it in the full context, so we can have it for you. So, we'll have that later this week.
He also referred to himself -- he was on this weekend. Which show was it? I guess he was on with George Stephanopoulos. Among the things that he said that he had thought about military service as a noble option. He said, I -- there wasn't any active war, so I decided not to pursue it, obviously intimidated by John McCain's background, life, and experience. We'll get into that later.
He says when Fox News and Republican commentators suggest that, in other words, that he is a Muslim. No one has ever suggested that. Now, we're going to go through this record here today, because this is an outright falsehood on his part. He said -- and then he says, he, in his own words, he speaks of his, quote, "Muslim faith." And then George Stephanopoulos had to jump in and correct him. He referred to himself as a Muslim over the weekend, and by the way, I think it was one of his many slip of the tongues.
OBAMA [audio clip]: John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith.
HANNITY: All right. Now, there is a whole history to this, but it has not been Fox News commentators and Republican commentators that are saying Barack Obama is a Muslim. We have questioned his faith, his religion -- Black Liberation Theology, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright -- which is all legitimate considering all the radical, crazy, insane, racist anti-American views of his pastor, as spiritual mentor. But that's very different than what he's claiming here, and then he had to even admit in the same interview that John McCain had not talked about his Muslim faith, but he's basically saying, well, they throw their rock and they hide.
Does Hannity realize that there are these things called video recorders. When he, or someone on his station says things like this, they are recorded, and can be reviewed, you know, later, to prove him a fool once more. Jeesh... This is another Hannity challenge, like he seems to do every week, saying, "So and so said that I called him anti American because he's not with the President. I never said that, and can't remember any republican calling someone terrorist sympathizers and anti american just because they didn't agree with the president..." and of the of course, roll about 10 pages of quotes from republicans saying exactly that.
Hannity, out to lunch, permanently. Is it possible for one man to be so stupid?
Is it possible for 50 million people to be so stupid? Apparently..... yes.
That's why Adam Sandler movies are so popular......
That's why there are instructions on shampoo bottles.
I figure if you're old enough to read the warning, you're already aware of the danger.
And if your old enough to read and you still don't know how dangerous falling from an open window is, maybe the gene pool would be better off without you.
People talk about Obama's "Muslim faith", especially once they make the assertion that Obama is a Muslim. And even if were, WTH is wrong with THAT? There is a difference between being a Muslim and being a Muslim Terrorist.
Of course, that line gets blurred or distinguished when it benefits either side.
So easily confused because Obama neglected to add air quotes when he said "my Muslim faith"...
Is there already an adjective "hannity"? Because there apparently is a need for a word that "dumb" just can't fill.
"My dog is so hannity that he chases parked cars."
"I'm sorry, but there's nothing we can do. Your son is just hannity."
I had some others, but they all sounded kind of hannity...
True. I was only trying to insult my dog, not be cruel to him.
Unfortunately, that was a really hannity statement, and I apologize.
The word "hannity" is an adjective, and should be used thusly:
"The truthiness of Dick Morris is so hannity that it mootifies Fox News as a credible source."
The word "hannity" is an adjective, and should be used thusly:
"The truthiness of Dick Morris is so hannity that it mootifies Fox News as a credible source."
Sean Insanity has been trying to use his name as a verb. I think the verb form should be used as follows:
"Once the brain scan showed the patient had no brain activity, the doctor said that the patient had been hannitized.
Better yet... "Don't step in that dog hannity." ;>)
I'll be right back - I have to go to the bathroom and take a hannity.
This is how the right works. It's likely that you won't find a FOX News reporter or a prominent Republican saying this exact sentence: "Barack Obama is a Muslim." The "terrorist fist jab", "he was educated in a madrassa(?)", etc. won't be enough for them. They will continue to say "No one ever said Barack Obama is a Muslim."
OT, but gee, McCain's daughter Meg, the daughter of the famous P.O.W. John "P.O.W." McCain, says only her family can understand what war is about. Period! (from thinkprogress if the link isn't working)
Meghan McCain: ‘No one knows what war is like other than my family. Period.’»
In an interview on the Today Show this morning, host Meredith Vieira asked Meghan McCain about Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) comments that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “doesn’t get it.” Meghan responded by pointing to her dad’s service in Vietnam and her two brothers who are currently enlisted. She then went a step further, however, saying that her family is the only family that understands war:
"Talk about a terrorist propaganda bonanza if one of them, or both of them were killed in a combat zone." - Magnolialover
Unfortunately, that's kind of a naive perspective. What it would really do (terrorist propaganda point or not) is freakin guarantee a McCain/Palin win. You have to keep in mind how the mind of the general public operates.
Oh and by the way, my money's on al-Quada flat praying for a McCain presidency.
I'm sure Ayman al Zawahiri has already written the script and shot the video for October release. Have you notice the quality of al Qaeda videos are better these days? I'm certain they aren't living in caves, but have a nice compound with electricity, sat TV reception, good water, nice food, and apparently Arabian horses according to Dexter Filkins.
Has it been verified that "Afghanistan" was never uttered from the podium at the RNC in St. Paul? I literally can't fathom the insanity...or the hannity of it all.
I would like to propose a really stupid, just beyond absurd statement, should be a "hannity." As in, "I can't fathom the hannity of it."
Snoop,
I watched that interview this morning and came away with the young McCain saying that nobody knows more about war than her family in the same vein that nobody knows more about being an African American than an African American. She even said she was biased (about her family and father) so it was not meant to be elitist or derogatory as you seem to imply.
That is probably what she wanted to say, but what she ACTUALLY said was,
"No one knows what war is like other than my family. Period."
Islam runs in Obama's dad's family and anyone paying attention knows it just as they knows Obama is a Christian and his former pastor is Reverend Wright. Some bomb throwers on the right like to taunt those on the left by using Obama's middle name. (It works every time.)
If McCain's middle name were Adolph, you can bet the left would be all over it.
This is one of those mindless off-topic subjects that take up time and space in the media and give people something to argue about.
If McCain's middle name were Adolph, you can bet the left would be all over it.
It's enough for many of is on the left to know that George W. Bush's grandfather helped bankroll the Third Reich.
Pwned!!!111!
I absoultely could care less about William Ayers or what he did, he is not running for President, Senator Obama is. For that matter I dont care about the Rev Wright either. And I believe most Americans feel the same, which is why this good man won his partys nomination.
Mags,
I simply point out the facts. If McCain had started his political career in David Duke's house, you'd be a little suspicious about him too.
Or, since Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist bomber and so is bin Laden, lets say Obama started out his career in bin Laden's cave 12 years ago? What would you think then? Both Ayers and bin Laden are terrorist bombers are they not? Both are unrepentant are they not? Both wish they could have done more, do they not?
Go ahead and keep bringing it up. This association should have disqualified Obama from serious consideration for the Office of the Presidency a long time ago. Obama is the one who willingly associated with an unrepentant Anti-American terrorist bomber and saw nothing wrong with it. I question Obama's world view and have serious reservations about how he would handle the leaders in Iran, North Korea, and Russia. His talk simply does not match his walk.
Both Ayers and bin Laden are terrorist bombers are they not?
I keep on asking you this and you won't reply: What did Ayers bomb?
Loonz,
I didn't know you asked that. Do you not keep up? He and his Weathermen Underground exploded terrorist bombs at the United States Capital building, The NYC Police Headquarters and other places.
Take a look at this excerpt from Wikopedia:
In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, and that was credited to the Weathermen at the time,[26][27] a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded.[28]Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn has been suspected of involvement in the February 16, 1970, bombing of the Park Police Station in San Francisco. At the time, Dohrn was said to be living with a Weatherman cell in a houseboat in Sausalito, California, unnamed law enforcement sources later told KRON-TV.[29] An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999,[30] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed,[29] and no one was ever arrested for the bombing.[30] An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn's husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there.[31] In a book about his experiences published in 1976, Grathwohl wrote that Ayers, who had recently attended a meeting of the group's Central Committee, said Dohrn had planned the operation, made the bomb and placed it herself.[32] In 2008, author David Freddoso commented that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".[31][33]
[edit] Initial New York City Bombings
Early on the morning of February 21, 1970 as his family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at at home of New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh at the northern tip of Manhattan. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn.
Judge Murtagh was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. The side-walk in front of his home had three sentences of blood-red graffiti: "FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS."
Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse (see below). The same cell had bombed Judge Murtagh's house, according to Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. In late November of 1970, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, now Bill Ayers's wife, promised more bombings.[34]
Sorry for the small print.
Take a look at Wikopedia - Search for Anti Personel bomb set on window ledge in San Francisco where a policeman was killed and another seriously injured.
Informants link that to Dorhn and Ayers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Anti-personnel_bomb_set_on_window-ledge_in_San_FranciscoAgain my apologies. I am cutting and pasting these links into notepad before pasting them into MMFA but for some reason they are shrinking in font.
You'll have to go look it up yourself if you want to see more.
Oh yeah? Well check this out:
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Shoot. The font pasted much smaller than it appeared when I copied it.
Oh well, it basically proved that Bill Ayers dove into the frigid waters of the Colorado river in January to save a tightly tied burlap bag stuffed with puppies which McCain had stolen from some disabled orphans in Tuscon and tried to dispose of.
You'll have to look it up and research it yourself...
stuffed with puppies
I thought the bag was filled with embryos.
You're just being ridiculous.
What would disabled orphans in Tuscon be doing with a bag of embryos? Sheesh...
"If he was a terrorist bomber, he would have gone to prison."
In the cell right next to Bin Laden's??
Oh, MissDeeranged, what is it about you and failure?
Are you implying that the Bush administration is just too incompetent to apprehend Ayers? He lives right in the area with a full time job and a permanent address. No wonder they failed to get Bin Laden.
LOL! ;0) LOL ;0)
I've been looking over different articles and it appears that even though Ayers' participation in the bombings is unknowable (the informant's info could be true or false; Ayers can't tell the difference between fact and fiction; and I'm still looking for information to back up Freddoso claim), he certainly wasn't against bombing vacant buildings.
Arch,
It is not me who is making something out of nothing. It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist.
I for one, do not want to gamble the office of the Presidency on someone who has such ties. I question Obama's judgment and world view by consciously associating with this ultra radical, anti-American, terrorist bomber and wife who both declared war on the United States and should both be in jail.
Ayers and Dohrn are the antithesis of what democracy is all about. They are the same in spirit and deed as bin Laden.
Exactly my point. Ayers once contributed $200 to OBama's first campaign. He served on the same board as Ayers. And that's it. They're not friends. Ayers did not have a campaign event at his house for Obama.
"Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles."
From: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
You keep repeating these things AA, as if they were truth, they are not. Your analogy of Ayers, Duke, Bin Laden, and Obama are weak at best. George W. Bush is good friends with the royal family of Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabian citizens provide the bulk of funding for terrorist activities around the world, so that must mean that Bush is a terrorist? See how that works? It doesn't. Which is the same for Obama's ties to Ayers. Given that, when Ayers and his group were active, Obama was 8 years old as well, and didn't help out with those activities.
NO HE DOESN'T.
Ayers, contributed $200 to Obama's early campaign. That's it. They were the members of the same board. They are not friends. They never hung around with each, and weren't close. They lived in the same neighborhood. That's it. He only had brief contact with Ayers, and probably couldn't pick him out of a police line up if asked.
Stop making things up.
Mags,
I did not say Obama bombed anyone. I question his judgment and world view for associating with a radical leftist terrorist bomber even 25 years after the fact.
I only took a quick perusal of your note so maybe I missed it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see any reference to Obama starting his political career in Ayers and Dorhn's living room.
I'll go look again.
“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.htmlObama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.
rats..
The link is http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
Exactly. Obama was introduced to some of the politcally active people in the neighborhood by the state senator he was going to replace. In AA's world that is an endorsement of domestic terrorism.
The politico article even mentions (towards the end I believe) that there is no indication that Obama and Ayers weren't just existing in overlapping circles of Chicago politics at the time. AA is apparently delusional and has less than nothing here as has been shown repeatedly.
George W. Bush is good friends with the royal family of Saudi Arabia
Exactly. And Bush was in business with BIN LADEN'S BROTHER!
A little too cozy, if you ask me. But to AA, that's unimportant. What's really important is a $200 campaign contribution, not the deaths of 3,000 people and our president's connection (albeit loose) to it. Coincidence?
What about the head of the secessionist group that Palin spoke in front of last year? I heard some quotes from him on the radio yesterday that were straight up anti American, as in, "I hate the US, and everything that it stands for.." Seems fairly anti American to me.
Ayers was NOT anti American either. He was anti Vietnam war. Do I condone the methods he and his buddies used? Absolutely not. Is he anti American? Absolutely not.
Mags,
Got any links? I am waiting to see if it is true.
AIP:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column
Here is a video clip of her addressing the AIP:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-to-alaskan-secessionists.html
"They are the same in spirit and deed as bin Laden."--AA
Hahaha! That has got to be the hyperbole of the day. Ayers destroyed empty rest rooms. Rush Limbaugh has done more damage after eating a burrito than Ayers ever did. I doubt you would say the same about him.
It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist
You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.
It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist
You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.
And McCain calls G. Gordon Liddy a friend. Remember when Liddy urged the Branch Davidians to shoot the ATF in the head?
Why is McCain friends with someone who advocates the murder of federal agents, AA?
Open,
There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco. There are other bombings too.
Ayers fiance at the time blew herself up making a bomb to be set off at an Army dance.
I am amazed that those on the left here will defend a terrorist bomber and make light of his anti-American, criminal, and terrorist behavior.
Kool aid anyone?
It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist
You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.
Achris,
It is Ayers who should be ashamed but is not.
It is Obama who's judgment is so lacking that he associated with a known terrorist that may not be shameful but it sure is questionable.
I know it is inconvenient to be reminded of these facts. After all, who wants to have it known their candidate associated freely with anti-American terrorist bombers?
Obviously there are a lot of you. :-)
This is what makes me have pretty negative view of partisans. Thanks for reminding me why I am not one.
It is Obama who's judgment is so lacking that he associated with a known terrorist that may not be shameful but it sure is questionable.
Again AA, what is the esxtent of this "association" you continue to preach about? Does it go beyond a one time attendance at Ayers house and serving on a board with 28 other people? Are you really using those two examples to make the assertion that Obama "associates" with known terrorist?
I know it is inconvenient to be reminded of these facts. After all, who wants to have it known their candidate associated freely with anti-American terrorist bombers?
Throughout this thread I have asked you what are these "facts" you keep referring to which prove this relationship is anything more than what I and the others here are pointing out? Just answer the damned question!
Obviously there are a lot of you. :-)
That smiley face means nothing to me. How dare you even insinuate that I would be happy with a candidate who has some kind of secretive approving relationship with a terrorist. Aren't you the one who gave some kind of simpleton excuse on why you didn't serve your country? You sir, have essentially questioned my patriotism, patriotism of which I have more in my little finger than you do in your entire cowardly body.
"There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco. There are other bombings too."--AA
Good. Where is/are the indictment(s) then? BTW, you need to wipe off your grape mustache.
Open,
The absence of an indictment does not mean there is no reason for suspicion. Were it not for the FBI messing up, both Ayers and Dohrn would most likelybe in jail or at least have served. You forget that Ayers and Dohrn were fugitives for years. Other members of their group went off and did kill others. Ayers fiance at the time was killed making a bomb to blow up at a dance.
It may be that Obama's repeated connections to Ayers and Dohrn are innocent. But it doesn't resolve the fact that Obama and Ayers hung out in the same groups and shared the same political and social views.
If you think all that is oaky, it is fine with me. However there are enough connections to Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, and Pflager, plus his community organizer days using following the teachings of Alinsky, (who by the way, dedicated one of his books to the devil,) to tell me Obama is a radical leftist. Like a leapord cannot change it's spots, Obama cannot change his past. I personally do not want someone who associated with such a group of anti-American's like this as our President.
ps. Off subject, I hear Wright has now been named in wrongful termination lawsuit as having an affair with a plaintiff in Texas. *sigh*
Barney, if there was a point, or anything of substance in that post, it was completely smothered by your hysterical repetition, unsupported smears and trivia.
You may have just finally figured out that you're too far gone to ever have any credibility here, and have decided to throw as much BS against the wall as you can. That's fine, you've got nothing to lose, but I'm wondering why you continue to post here when you've obviously given up.
I hope you don't think you're going to persuade those who are more rational and well-informed than you. If you're just venting for therapeutic reasons, why don't you do it at FreeReepublc or another wingnut site? You'll get positive reinforcement instead of the ridicule you get here, and you won't be taking up thread space and wasting the time of those who are really interested in the topics.
No charge for the advice, and I don't expect a response.
AA,
There is no substance to those "connections" at all. Your claim that Obama and Ayers "hung out in the same groups and shared the same political and social views." is meaningless without specifics. Are you claiming they were buddies? No. Are you claiming that Obama agrees with bombing the government? No. Is it your position that Ayers cannot have any legitimate views on politics and social views that might be shared by regular people? I notice you don't mention those shared views for what I believe is a lack of ability on your part and others to even back them up legitimately.
I think you have been reading too many things uncritically to have any real credibility here. I write that with all due respect.
I need something substantial to hang my hat on. What you have written does not even come close to meeting that threshold.
will defend a terrorist bomber...
No, we dismiss it as irrelevant. Was he prosecuted? Imprisoned? Exiled out of the U.S.?
You, however, have drank the kool-aid and continue to cling to exagerrations about Ayers as "proof" of Obama's lack of judgement.
Again, why not read about the Bush family's connections with the Bin Ladens and then you might gain a little perspective and leave Ayers to the dustpile of history.
Were the siblings of bin Laden bombers? If my critique of Obama were connections to a sister or brother of Ayers, you might have a point.
You keep repeating yourself as if THAT will make it the truth.
'there is evidence' isn't proof.
There is evidence that you have no functional mind of your own, spouting GOP talking points, and pushing your points even after they have been thoroughly discredited here.
Now, if I copy & paste the above sentence - what is the magical number of times? - will you in fact have no functioning mind?
Albert,
Nice strawman. I never said it was.
There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco. There are other bombings too.
Jesus Christ AA!
Buy a clue!
If there was CREDIBLE evidence THEY WOULD BE IN JAIL!!!!!!
Pearlene,
Your argument falls apart with two letters: O.J.
But your evidence doesn't even reach the level of OJ. OJ had a trial because an evidentury threshold had been crossed.
A grand jury chose not to indict Ayers in 2002 - a decade after Ayers previous charges were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct in a different matter. The grand jury did not think there was enough credible evidence to indict - which was not the case with OJ.
I have to love your attempt at logic here though. One presumably guilty man goes free - therefore anyone merely accused of a crime, but not found guilty is likely guilty. Great logic.
Grow up and move on.
I'm 55 years old, Bob - I grew up years ago. And I won't "move on" as long as there are stupid people in the world like you.
Bob,
It does no good to insult people and only diminishes the good points you have made.
Of course people here will disagree with you, especially if you are not a liberal/progressive.
It is the discussion that is fun. The insults are unnecessary. I've been down that road and found it to be a waste of time and energy.
ps. However a good zinger now and then is fun. :-)
It is the discussion that is fun
Yeah, it's all fun and games to you - lies, smears, all in the name of a little innocent "fun". People are dying due to these same sorts of lies and you say that it is fun.
Grow up.
Fog,
I hope you are enjoying your ride on that high horse. :-)
"Of course people here will disagree with you, especially if you are not a liberal/progressive."--AA
Project much? I don't disagree with bob because he is "not a liberal/progressive" I disagree with him because I think he is wrong. I have no problem agreeing with non liberal/progressives and never have had a problem with it.
It is enlightening that you think people here are like that though. Perhaps it says more about the way you think.
You prove my point.
I am sure somewhere in your mind your post made sense.
The only stupid person is you, but whatever. 55 ? Sure and i am 108.
I was born in 1952, and my birthday is in two months. You do the math, if you can.
AA sad: Islam runs in Obama's dad's family
Runs in the family? Is that like blond hair or cute dimples? Also you are missing the point that they are not trying to link him to Muslims, but to the muslims we are fighting around the world. That is the subtle association they are trying to make.
I disagree. The pundits I have seen/heard using Obama's middle name sound to me like they are simply tweaking those on the left.
Those who would not vote for Obama because of his name or father's family religious heritage would not have voted for him anyway.
Obama met his Father once, for a month long visit. His Father's religion had nothing to do with Obama's life. The right IS trying to link him to Muslim extremists. If they weren't, why bring it up repeatedly? Ms. Palin has more of a link to the Alaskian Independence Party, if you're trying to find radical connections.
Exactly.
This is the point. He met his dad, once, for about a month, in Hawaii, and was uncomfortable the entire time. And, add to that, that his father converted to Christianity later on in life, and bam, they have, well, nothing at all.
Peebs,
I agree that Obama's link to his father and his father's religious tradition has nothing to do with Obama who is a Christian.
I am simply saying that some on the right only use Obama's middle name so as to drive those on the left over the edge.
Achris,
When I hear Hussein, I think of Obama.
When I hear Muhhamad, I think of Ali.
When I hear Saddam, I think of... Saddam. :-)
Hahaha. Why am I not surprised you don't get it.
Islam runs in Obama's dad's family and anyone paying attention knows it - anotheramerican
I agree that Obama's link to his father and his father's religious tradition has nothing to do with Obama who is a Christian.- anotheramerican
We already know you don't pay much attention to what other people write, but do you even pay attention to yourself?
Occasionally although I am too modest to admit it. :-)
"The pundits I have seen/heard using Obama's middle name sound to me like they are simply tweaking those on the left."
No, that's called ginning up the right.
Let me give you an example of how Hannity operates. I just read the article, below, in which Joe Biden says that electing Sarah Palin would be a "backward step for women."
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/09/09/biden-palin-would-be-backward-step-for-women/
Hannity would take a statement such as that and assert that Biden says that electing a woman Vice President would be a "backward step."
That would be typical Hannity....
After reading some of the comments under the story you linked to, I can see why the republicans have so many followers.....
Have you ever read so many stupid comments in one place?
The comments are worth going to the link. Did you notice how repetitive they are? One uses "insignificant" 3 times in three sentences, another has "Bozo" or "Clown" at least three times in a short post. And none of them seem to understand what they're commenting on.
It's like peeking in on PointofView, Proudconservative and AnotherAmerican in their basement trying to get a think tank going.
Jeez, Mag, looks like some of it rubbed off on you. ;0)
(or maybe it was the little discussion that happened in the meantime here with the troll repeating "unrepentant anti-american radical bomber terrorist" in every post.)
Here's a question for Mr "I'm as honest as the day is long" Hannity.
At: premierspeakers.com/sean_hannity You are quoted as donating $10,000,000 to Freedom Alliance last year from 5 concerts that attracted 60,000 people, where's the proof? What about the years 2003-2006 where's the proof you even donated a dime?
In reading the IRS 990's Tax Forms from Freedom Alliance for those years ('03-'06 ) there isn't one reference to Freedom Concerts donating anything or any amount of money what-so-ever, nada, zilch, zip nothing, not even a penny!
So Hannity, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"
On the June 25 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, discussing Barack Obama's June 23 speech at a church in Hartford, Connecticut, Alan Colmes asked right-wing whacko Ann Coulter if "[o]nly Republicans can talk in churches."
Coulter: "No, but I do think anyone named B. Hussein Obama should avoid using 'hijack' and 'religion' in the same sentence."
Peebs,
Is this Alaskan group advocating violence or the overthrow of the United States?Therein might lie the difference between your examples and this group.
ps. I can only speak for myself but as a conservative I have not followed up this connection. What you say may indeed be true. Maybe this is a radical organization. I don't know. I only see it talked about here by progressive posters. There have been so many false negative reports tossed out regarding Palin and her family that I am simply waiting for some of those false reports to fade away before spending any time on them.
I am simply waiting for some of those false reports to fade away before spending any time on them.(Dep.Barney Fife)
Yes, it's always best to deal with things when they're not there anymore. Are you shooting for the Guinness Book of World Records in the Jumping the Shark category, AA?
Welcome PEEBS ,I enjoy your posts ,lets keep the light on them!
Brit Hume, immediately following Obama's acceptance speech said "Barack Hussein Obama". He even stumbled a bit over the middle name, but then retried and said Hussein again. Now I was angry b/c it's just further smear/fear monger typical of Fox News. But I wanted to give Brit the benefit of doubt and wondered if perhaps that's just a stylistic choice (to impart gravity or something) following acceptance speeches. So I listened...and after McCain's speech, Hume never once mentioned Senator McCain's middle name (which I think is Janus). Hmmmm.
John McCains full name (which you will rarely if ever hear) is John Sydney McCain III. That's right...the thuuuurd, lovey.
I do not have a problem with it because I believe in our system of government, its balance of powers, its implicit, and otherwise, ideal of separation of church and state, and oh, by the way:
those little pieces of paper called the
Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States.
Apparently Hannity does not believe in American Way of Life or have respect for the sacrifices people have made to defend the ideals and freedoms this country stands for... hmm, does not that make _him_
un-patriotic?