About us Login Get email updates
Research
Print

NPR's Williams ignores falsehood in Palin's claim about "bridge to nowhere"

September 09, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Please upgrade your flash player. The video for this item requires a newer version of Flash Player. If you are unable to install flash you can download a QuickTime version of the video.

EMBED

SUMMARY: On NPR, Renee Montagne asked Juan Williams of Gov. Sarah Palin's claims about the "bridge to nowhere": "Is it surprising that she keeps saying that, or repeating that she told Congress, 'No thanks,' on that bridge?" Rather than note that Palin's assertion is false, Williams responded in part by saying: "Well, what they're [the McCain campaign] emphasizing is that she, you know, did eventually turn down the idea without disclosing that early on she was, as you said, campaigning for it back in 2006. ... So, it's a matter of, you know, omission in their view."

91 Comments

On the September 9 edition of NPR's Morning Edition, co-host Renee Montagne noted that Gov. Sarah Palin, "[w]hen she ran for ... governor," supported the "bridge to nowhere," and Montagne asked NPR news analyst Juan Williams, "Is it surprising that she keeps saying that, or repeating that she told Congress 'No thanks' on that bridge?" Rather than point out that Palin's claim to have "told Congress, 'No thanks,' on that bridge" is false, Williams responded in part by saying, "Well, what they're [the McCain campaign] emphasizing is that she, you know, did eventually turn down the idea without disclosing that early on she was, as you said, campaigning for it back in 2006. ... So, it's a matter of, you know, omission in their view."

As Media Matters for America previously noted, Palin did not tell Congress " '[T]hanks, but no thanks' on that 'bridge to nowhere,' " as she claimed in her September 3 vice presidential acceptance speech. First, she was not in a position to do so. As The Daily Howler's Bob Somerby noted, a year before Palin was elected governor, Congress abdicated responsibility for determining how the money would be spent. After authorizing funds to be spent specifically on the bridge project in August 2005, in an appropriations bill in November 2005, Congress earmarked the money for Alaska, but specified that it did not have to be spent on the bridge. Somerby wrote, "[N]o one had to 'tell Congress' anything about the Bridge to Nowhere, because Congress had removed itself from decision-making about the project." Second, Palin did not refuse the funds or reimburse the federal government; Alaska reportedly kept the federal funds. Williams mentioned neither point.

From the September 9 edition of NPR's Morning Edition:

MONTAGNE: Now, some of the lines that Sarah Palin has used in speeches have run into trouble with fact checkers. I mean for one, the infamous "bridge to nowhere." When she ran for government, governor rather, in fact, she supported that "bridge to nowhere" and only sort of stopped supporting it at a point in which it became untenable. Is it surprising that she keeps saying that, or repeating that she told Congress, "No thanks," on that bridge?

WILLIAMS: Well, no, I mean, from the perspective of people who are running the McCain campaign, they want her image to be that of a reformer and to fit Senator McCain's image as the maverick and apart from the GOP, so what they're emphasizing --

MONTAGNE: Even if it's not correct?

WILLIAMS: Well, what they're emphasizing is that she, you know, did eventually turn down the idea without disclosing that early on she was, as you said, campaigning for it back in 2006. And what they want to emphasize again, is that she took on Frank Murkowski, the former Republican governor, and others, and even supported ethics reform in the state government. So it's a matter of, you know, omission in their view.

MONTAGNE: In their view.

Expand All Expand 1st Level Collapse All Add Comment
    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 09, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
         

      Unbelievably, Liar Barbie is repeating the same lie today...!

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/palin-repeats-bridge-to-n_n_125084.html

      I love the response of the Obama campaign...maybe she'll say she sold the bridge on e-bay. LOL...

      Report Abuse
      • Author by DAWUSS (September 09, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
           
        You have to wonder how Charlie's going to be with America's Hockey Mom when she goes for her first interview
        Report Abuse
        • Author by dandrea (September 10, 2008 1:11 am ET)
             

           I wouldn't expect much since ABC is becoming the broadcast channels' answer to FNC. Remember their  propagandizing docudrama, "The Path to 9/11"?

          Report Abuse
      • Author by Graydogs (September 09, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
           

        Last night on MSNBC they ran the "Truth-0-Meter" on things McCain/Palin...Obama/Biden have claimed/said.

        For Palin's statement that the jet was put on Ebay, they said it was "TRUE"....bing bing bing

        She DID list it on Ebay, so that was the Truth they said.....

        However; they neglected to use her other speech clips where she claimed that she sold the jet on Ebay, AND the speech clip where McCain tells the audience that Palin sold the Jet on Ebay, and for a profit.

        It was sold off Ebay to a jet broker after 3 tries on Ebay, and for LESS than what it cost Alaska.(and minus unknown broker fees)

         

        By CORKY SIEMASZKO
        NY Daily News Staff Writer

        Friday, September 5th 2008, 12:05 PM

        The folksy tale of how Gov. Sarah Palin saved Alaska millions by unloading the state jet on eBay is fast becoming a campaign fish-that-got-away tale.

        Sen. John McCain not only repeated that story on the stump Friday to tout his Republican running mate, but added, "She made a profit, too."

        The truth is that Palin couldn't find a buyer last year when she tried to peddle to plane on eBay - and lost the state money when she did sell it.

        Palin's predecessor, Frank Murkowski, originally bought the 20-year-old Westwing II for the state of Alaska for $2.7 million. She listed it on eBay for $2.5 million.

        When no offers came in, Palin hired a jet broker - Turbo North Aviation in Anchorage - which sold the jet for $2.1 million to an Alaska businessman."...................................[...]

         

        Report Abuse
        • Author by IRONY 101 (September 09, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
             
          In other words, Liar Barbie's soccer mom approach to selling an expensive government asset was a total failure...and John McCain lied about it to try to make her look good. If they can't tell the truth right from the get-go about something relatively inconsequential, what else are they willing to lie about? Maybe if they're elected McCain intends to let Barbie sell government assets on e-bay. Isn't she just adorable? Just too cute for words...  ;>)
          Report Abuse
          • Author by Graydogs (September 09, 2008 6:27 pm ET)
               

            Yes Irony...and her speech was ...."brilliant" the best we have heard yet....and she single handedly invigorated the republicans and gave McCain his poll bounce.....and she is a beacon of hope for young women, and moms and women everywhere! 

            She is.....is....is, ahh...why, she's like a, celebrity, I believe is the word they love so much.

             

            Ha! Mary Matlin just said the media is using the video of Palin's speech in her church to make her look like a "religious kook". The left is making her look like a religious kook by showing her in a video with her own words?

            Report Abuse
            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 09, 2008 11:41 pm ET)
                 

              The left is making her look like a religious kook by showing her in a video with her own words?

              That's what I've been hearing lately, Graydogs.I caught Bill O'Reilly's response to the Daily Show playing his hilariously contradictory statements on teen pregnancy and blaming the parents(Britney Spears vs. Bristol Palin). I believe BilldO scolded Jon Stewart for using "eight out of context clips".

              Aren't these the same people who have been paraphrasing, cropping quotes and straight-out making stuff up about Obama for the past year or so?

              Report Abuse
    • Author by wzwriter (September 09, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
         
      And Juan Williams is lying through his teeth.  Which is, you know, a matter of professional misconduct on his part.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (September 09, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
           

        No, he's not lying.  It's a matter of omission...

        He's just omitting the truth.

        Report Abuse
      • Author by snoopy (September 09, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
           
        He didn't outright lie, but he sure tried to couch it as much as possible.
        Report Abuse
    • Author by shaggles (September 09, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
         
      Rubbish.  What they're emphasizing is that Palin is a tough talking, fiscally conservative maverick who not only stood up to those tax-and-spend liberals in Congress but turned down hundreds of millions of dollars of federal money because she stands by her beliefs.  All of which is demonstrably false.  NPR needs to get rid Juan "FOX" Williams.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by DAWUSS (September 09, 2008 4:26 pm ET)
           
        Coming January 2009.
        Report Abuse
      • Author by wzwriter (September 09, 2008 4:27 pm ET)
           

        NPR needs to get rid Juan "FOX" Williams.

        They should demote him to call screener for Click & Clack, The Tappett Brothers.

        Report Abuse
        • Author by ultrasanktpauli (September 09, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
             
          do not diss klick and klack...
          Report Abuse
          • Author by wzwriter (September 09, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
               

            do not diss klick and klack...

            Oh, I'm not dissing them - in fact, I listen to them almost every week.  I'm sure Tom & Ray could show Juan some very interesting places to put a grease gun.....

            Report Abuse
      • Author by Appleboy (September 09, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
           

        Bob Somerby explains it best :

        http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh090908.shtml

        Scroll down to  WITTGENSTEIN AND BENEN.

        Report Abuse
      • Author by doggone-ga (September 09, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
           

        "turned down hundreds of millions of dollars of federal money because she stands by her beliefs"

        Err, ummmm....how does that square with the FACT that Alaska still got the money...they just couldn't spend it on the bridge?  She didn't turn down ANYTHING - except an already dead in the water (so to speak!) bridge that she wasn't going to get anyway.  But she DID get the money.

        Report Abuse
        • Author by IRONY 101 (September 09, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
             
          It's the job of any mayor or governor to bring as much federal money into the state as possible..regardless whether it's considered pork by anyone. Her supposed opposition does not ring true. She's a fraud... But isn't she just too adorable?
          Report Abuse
        • Author by shaggles (September 09, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
             
          That's what I meant when I said it's 'demonstrably false.'
          Report Abuse
        • Author by onionhead (September 09, 2008 6:12 pm ET)
             
          But she told us that she's against earmarks?  Oh, that crazy lady! :)
          Report Abuse
        • Author by coach777b (September 10, 2008 10:14 am ET)
             
          So what happened to the funds originally slotted for this bridge? Gov. Palin did not return the money. She spent the money on some other projects. So she used the money but now she says she didn't. Can we get a FactCheck here. And somebody tell me where is the money!
          Report Abuse
    • Author by JimmyCraghorn (September 09, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
         

      MONTAGNE:  Is it surprising that she keeps saying that, or repeating that she told Congress, "No thanks," on that bridge?

       

      shorter Williams: of course it's not surprising that they'd lie, because we'll let them get away with it.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by pithaughn (September 09, 2008 5:13 pm ET)
         

      I kid you not, I cut this from an ebay listing for real estate in "The Sarah Palin State".

      When the US Economy  falls,  Alaska  BOOMS !!!!!!

             Alaska Land of The Permanent Fund !!!!!!!!!!

         Alaska Rising Economy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

             Gas Pipeline !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Report Abuse
    • Author by pithaughn (September 09, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
         
      As the rest of the lower 49 is beging to learn, what is good for oil producing states, countries is not what is best for us. If only we had listened to that engineer from Georgia 33 years ago.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by whillenbrand (September 09, 2008 5:28 pm ET)
         

      How in the name of journalism can Williams be taken with any credibility when he bounces back and forth btween NPR and Sean Hannity / FOX? NPR should recognize this!

      Report Abuse
    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 09, 2008 5:34 pm ET)
         
      Has any commentator asked why a mayor or governor would NOT favor pork barrel projects for his/her city or state? That's the job of a mayor or governor.
      Report Abuse
    • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 6:00 pm ET)
         

      I love the "Bridge To Nowhere" stuff.

      So once she was for it and then wised up and was against it.

      However Barack voted for it.  Then Barack had a second chance to vote against it, and transfer the money to New Orleans for help down there, and he did not.

      So "The Messiah" is not only for earmarks but he is also dumb as a box of rocks.

      Vote for the false prophet and when you pull that lever a big 666 is about to be stamped right on your forehead.

       

      Report Abuse
      • Author by ukobserver (September 09, 2008 6:29 pm ET)
           

        What the hell are you on about Krusty?

         

        Did you take a wrong turn from the Tim LaHaye Left behind planet?

         

        try again when the meds wear off.

        Report Abuse
        • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
             

          Keep it up UKOBSERVER. 

          I see they are about to start the new Super Collider.  This is looking for so called "God's particle".  It is starting up soon.  People are exicted but worried at the same time:

          http://news.yahoo.com/story//nf/20080908/tc_nf/61725

          Like I said, you have a chance, to look at all the facts over Palin vs Obama.  You have a chance to look at both sides and decide for yourself.  If you make the obvious wrong decision and pick the Messiah the 666 may end up getting tattoed right on your forehead.  

          Remove the hate from your heart.  Don't blindly drink the Kool Aid.  You have been told lies by the far left all your life so they can control you.  It is time to break out of these lies and this position of weakness.  Don't live for the far left.  Listen to Ayn Rand who said:

          "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

          There is still time for you.  There is still time.. open your heart.   Put morality into your heart and stand for fundamental freedom and fairness.

           

           

          Report Abuse
          • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:05 pm ET)
               

            Skettle wrote:

            >>Like I said, you have a chance, to look at all the facts over Palin vs Obama.  You have a chance to look at both sides and decide for yourself.  If you make the obvious wrong decision and pick the Messiah the 666 may end up getting tattoed right on your forehead.

            Oh yes. When you can't win an argument, resort to insult. That is always your standard, isn't it? Obama isn't running around the country lying through his teeth, is he?

            >>Remove the hate from your heart.

            And remove the beam from your own eye. As for your Ayn Rand worship, I will again point out that Rand has never won a major literary award. So you might as well quote a cartoon strip, and I'll be no more impressed.  

            Report Abuse
            • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
                 

              I'm not trying to insult you.  I'm trying to show you what I see happening in the world.  The new super collider to look for "God's Particle".  The false prophet Obama.  The 2nd coming of Christ. Look at what is happening around us right now !

               

              Report Abuse
              • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
                   

                Skettle wrote:

                >>I'm not trying to insult you.  I'm trying to show you what I see happening in the world.  The new super collider to look for "God's Particle".  The false prophet Obama.  The 2nd coming of Christ. Look at what is happening around us right now !

                Yes, that is the best response you can come up with--to repeat an insult as if you were serious. That's what seventh graders do.  

                Report Abuse
              • Author by BillJ-MN (September 10, 2008 10:28 am ET)
                   

                If you make the obvious wrong decision and pick the Messiah the 666 may end up getting tattoed right on your forehead. ...  The new super collider to look for "God's Particle".  The false prophet Obama.  The 2nd coming of Christ. Look at what is happening around us right now ! ... Listen to Ayn Rand - Skettle

                You realize, don't you, that Ayn Rand would have utter contempt for your "666" and "2nd coming" BS?  She was an adamant atheist.

                Also, the "God Particle" is a nickname.  It has no actual religious significance.  It's discovery would be a scientific advance and nothing more.

                Report Abuse
          • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:14 pm ET)
               

            Skettle wrote:

            >>There is still time for you.  There is still time.. open your heart.   Put morality into your heart and stand for fundamental freedom and fairness

            I almost forgot this little gem. Wow, you really are silly. You really think that anyone who doesn't agree with your idealology is immoral? And, why do you think Palin is moral when she is running around the country lying through her teeth? You claim that Obama is dumb as rocks (good grief!) because he supposedly voted for the bride to nowhere twice. (I highly doubt that is the whole story; the bridge was probably part of a bigger spending package.) But yet you think Palin is smart, even when she continues to lie, when the press has caught her in a lie. 

            Report Abuse
            • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 7:31 pm ET)
                 

              http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/09/voting-for-the-bridge-to-nowhe.html

               

              Report Abuse
              • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:49 pm ET)
                   

                Skettle wrote:

                >>[provided a link]

                That is really weak. You still don't even attempt to defend Palin's incessant lying. Why is lying okay to you? Why is it okay for a politician to claim to be against something (big government, which you also are against), when she is for the opposite?  

                Report Abuse
              • Author by MoonbatYouBet (September 09, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
                   

                "McCain did not vote on the measure."

                Well there's your Maverick!

                Report Abuse
              • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 8:11 pm ET)
                   

                "(I highly doubt that is the whole story; the bridge was probably part of a bigger spending package.)"--skettle

                That vote was just about whether the earmark would go to Louisiana or Alaska.  Obama voted not to change where it was already going on that amendment.  Ultimately the earmark was removed from the final legislation (although the money handout to AK remained).  This is about being against earmarks right?  Just checking.

                Report Abuse
              • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
                   

                Besides. That bridge has been fully functional for more than a year and a half.  They got the money from somewhere.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-10_Twin_Span_Bridge

                Report Abuse
          • Author by onionhead (September 09, 2008 7:42 pm ET)
               

            Obama's the Antichrist?  Are you calling John Hagee a liar?

            "BECK: Let me ask you, and this is -- 'cause I got -- I get so much email on this, and I think a lot of people do, and I've only got a couple of seconds. Then they say 'Glenn, you in the media, you've got to wake up. Barack Obama's making people faint and cry and everything else. And he's drawing people in and -- '

            There are people -- and they said this about Bill Clinton -- that actually believe he might be the Antichrist. Odds that Barack Obama is the Antichrist?

            HAGEE: No chance."    

            Report Abuse
          • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 7:42 pm ET)
               

            You know that Ayn Rand was crazy don't you?  Have you read her books?  My favorite part is the glorification and romanticizing of what cannot be described other than a rape (in The Fountainhead).

            Rand is the best example I have ever read of a self-hating woman.  Too bad cons never graduate to reading much else.  Don't get me wrong, I love her stuff and I think it is worth it, but it is also important to read other things and mature politically.

            Report Abuse
          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 09, 2008 11:45 pm ET)
               

            "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

            Not even this man?

            Or this one?

            Report Abuse
      • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:02 pm ET)
           

        Skettle wrote:

        >>So once she was for it and then wised up and was against it.

        No. Read her press release after she decided to pull the plug. She *lamented* that the public had demonized the project, and she stated as her reason that Congress would not give enough money, so they couldn't go forward.

        She then kept the money.

        >>However Barack voted for it.  Then Barack had a second chance to vote against it, and transfer the money to New Orleans for help down there, and he did not.

        I don't know if this is true or not, but Obama isn't running around the country saying he did one thing when he did another.

        It apparently doesn't bother you that Palin is lying right through her teeth. She is not for small government, and she is for earmarks.  

        Report Abuse
        • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
             

          Yes she kept the money.  She was the governor of Alaska and used it for more worthwhile projects.  The useless bridge was not built.  The pork barrel argument is against useless projects.   She was the governor, it is her job to look after the citizens of the State, not the friends of Ted Stevens in the construction business that were going to build that bridge.

          For more info on Obama having a chance to send the money to New Orleans to help with rebuilding after Katrina please go here:

          http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/09/voting-for-the-bridge-to-nowhe.html

          Wake up FUNNYPANTS, you can save yourself. The end times are near.  Look at the big picture of things.

          Report Abuse
          • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 7:55 pm ET)
               

            Skettle wrote:

            >>Yes she kept the money.  She was the governor of Alaska and used it for more worthwhile projects.  The useless bridge was not built.  The pork barrel argument is against useless projects.   She was the governor, it is her job to look after the citizens of the State, not the friends of Ted Stevens in the construction business that were going to build that bridge.

            Talk about a dishonest argument! The point isn't whether she used the money for better things. You are trying to switch the argument. The point is that she is going around the country telling a flat out lie. She never told congress no. That is simply absolutely untrue. In fact, she championed the very project. The only reason she pulled the plug on it was because Alaska didn't have enough money--not because she thought it was wasteful. She actually lamented the fact that the bridge could not be built and criticized those who thought it useless.

            She then went on as governor to secure more earmarks than any other governor.

            And again I see that, unable to defend your position, you resort to being a troll. Ha ha ha ha ha! The end times are near. Yes, I guess when you can't win an argument on its merits, you can just resort to nonsense.  

            Report Abuse
            • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 8:34 pm ET)
                 

              I have made my arguments.  It is one thing to send earmarks from Washington and another to accept them.  As a governor you are not going to turn down money.  And she did not lie either.  She said no to the bridge not the money.

              Fine have it your way then.   I don't care just remember the wrath that will come down on the day of judgement will be hell on earth. 

               

               

              Report Abuse
              • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 8:42 pm ET)
                   

                Skettle wrote:

                >>I have made my arguments.  It is one thing to send earmarks from Washington and another to accept them.  As a governor you are not going to turn down money.  And she did not lie either.  She said no to the bridge not the money.

                Again, she never, ever said no. Do you think if you parse an argument enough you can make it true? Your statement doesn't even make sense. Who did the sending and the accepting? Maybe as a governor, you are not going to turn down money. I don't see anything wrong with that. BUT SHE IS RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY CLAIMING SHE DID!

                Again, Skettle, show me where she said no to congress.  

                Report Abuse
                • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 8:54 pm ET)
                     
                  She said to congress and the people of Alaska that She was not going to build that bridge but I will keep the money for the state.  I don't see where she is lieing.  The big corruption would be if she acutally built the bridge because that would be "pork barrel".  Bottom line is she said no to the "Pork Barrel" project and yes to something else.  After she said No they were not going to build it then congress had chance to stop the moeny AND THEY COULD HAVE, but they send money anyways.  They could have also sent it to Katerina but they did not either and Obama voted to send money to Alaska instead.   
                  Report Abuse
                  • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 9:02 pm ET)
                       

                    "They could have also sent it to Katerina but they did not either and Obama voted to send money to Alaska instead."--skettle

                    They did send money to Louisiana.  The bridge has been fully functional for over a year and a half according to Wikipedia.  So much for that talking point.

                    Palin's words were intended to deceive.  She wanted the bridge until she couldn't build it.  And now she wants credit for that.  It is a lie plain and simple.

                    Report Abuse
                  • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 9:04 pm ET)
                       

                    Skettle wrote:

                    >>She said to congress and the people of Alaska that She was not going to build that bridge but I will keep the money for the state.  I don't see where she is lieing.

                    Again, no she didn't. Show me a quote that even comes close. First, she *never* told congress no. That is her claim.

                    Show me where she told congress no. Don't just repeat the claim without proof.

                    For the record, here is what she *actually* said about the bridge:

                    Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," she said. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island. Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

                    Report Abuse
                    • Author by skettle2000 (September 10, 2008 11:38 am ET)
                         

                      The problem is you can't say she is lieing.

                      It is impossible to prove that she did not say "no to congress".  Apparently she told her delegation not to pursue funding for the bridge anymore. 

                      You can't say she is a liar.  You can say MAYBE she is a liar, or the evidence suggests she might be lieing.  Or in your opinon she is lieing. But you can't say for sure.

                       

                       

                       

                      Report Abuse
              • Author by neon desert (September 09, 2008 8:45 pm ET)
                   

                No it won't.  That's all just a bunch of fantasy from a an old book of tales they used to tell around the campfire at night so their kids would think they new more about the world than they really did.

                Just like today. 

                Report Abuse
              • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 8:45 pm ET)
                   

                I hope you don't read the words of Paul. "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve." (1 Tim. 2:12-13).

                If you are that much into the Bible and all - there is no way you can justify putting men under the authority of a woman.

                Disclaimer: I do not believe this, but many believe every word in the Bible is the Word of God.

                Report Abuse
                • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
                     

                  Open Mind wrote:

                  >>If you are that much into the Bible and all 

                  I think Skettle is just throwing out nonsense now to get a reaction from us--in other words, trolling.  

                  Report Abuse
                • Author by doggone-ga (September 09, 2008 10:23 pm ET)
                     

                  "I hope you don't read the words of Paul."

                  It's extremely doubtful that the book those words came from were actually written by Paul.  Only about 6 (or 7) of the books/letters attributed to Paul actually appear to have been written by him.  The remaining books were attributed to him, but differ widely in both theology and writing style from the known Pauline books/letters.

                  I read John Dominic Crossan's book "In Search of Paul" and learned MUCH more about Paul than I ever expected.  And I learned what NOT to read in the books attributed to him, but that contradict his true theology.

                  Report Abuse
                  • Author by open_mind (September 10, 2008 12:33 am ET)
                       

                    Doggone,

                    You know that and I know that, but a good deal of wingnuts believe every word in the Bible is equal to every other.  It doesn't matter to them if they are the words of Jesus, John, Jeremiah, Paul or Timothy acting as Paul.  It is all in the Bible and it is completely true to them.  Any scholarly analysis or distinction is a heresy to them.

                    Now I don't understand it, but they have to believe what is written in Timothy - simply because it is in the Bible.

                    Report Abuse
    • Author by Graydogs (September 09, 2008 6:18 pm ET)
         

      All Palin's talk about government waste, and her speeches about the actions she has taken to save the taxpayers money.....and now this comes out...Palin  billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance, plus driving to the office.

       

      Palin asked for per diem on Thanksgiving Day Nov. 22, 2007, and the reason was the Great Alaska Shootout, NCAA college basketball tournament in Anchorage.

      October 2007 Bristol went with Palin to the 3rd annual Women and Leadership Conference by Newsweek. Alaska paid the bill for a $707 a-day hotel room. Does any of this sound like a candidate who is a reformer of government waste?

       

      "During her speech at the Republican National Convention last week, Palin cast herself as a crusader for fiscal rectitude as Alaska's governor. She noted that she sold a state-owned plane used by the former governor. "While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for," she said to loud applause." Complete article: James V. Grimaldi and Karl VickWashington Post Staff Writer Sept. 9,2009  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088_pf.html


      Report Abuse
      • Author by FurySting (September 09, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
           
        That's the first I have seen about the first part of your post.  Do you have any links to the proof on that I would love to share it with others.
        Report Abuse
        • Author by skettle2000 (September 10, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
             

          Yeah but what he didn't tell you as that Palin billed 80% less to the state for personal expenses then the PREVIOUS governor.  Her expenses were tiny,tiny,tiny.  What a great story, mother that works at home as governor.  God I love this woman !

           

          Report Abuse
    • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
         

      I think Juan is trying so hard to be objective and fair, he just stops making any sense and loses his own unique point of view.

      I watched Williams critique some Democratic speaker during their convention.  He totally dogged the Democrat.  Oddly, Krystol seemed almost effusive in his praise afterwards in contrast.  Now I don't mind if that is really Williams opinion, but he seems to have criticisms that allign more with conservative talking points lately than real independently-minded analysis that he has done in the past (a few years ago).

      Fox should probably stop advertising Williams as some sort of representative of "liberal thought" as he hasn't said hardly a word I would agree with in several years.  Wait it's Fox.  I forgot they consider the full gamut of opinion to run from A to B.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
         

      Obama's is "personal friend" of embattled mayor of detroit.  Mayor of detroit is charged with many counts of perjury, assault of police officer.  Although Obama has denouned the mayor in the past he said the Mayor was a "personal friend" ( before the charges came out against mayor ).

      But he must not be a good judge of character.  How many "personal friends" yours end up getting indicted.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SODIFZXIPA

      Report Abuse
      • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 8:00 pm ET)
           

        Skettle wrote:

        >>Obama's is "personal friend" of embattled mayor of detroit.  Mayor of detroit is charged with many counts of perjury, assault of police officer.  Although Obama has denouned the mayor in the past he said the Mayor was a "personal friend" ( before the charges came out against mayor ).

        Oh yes, and lets just dig up everything negative about the candidate you don't like instead of sticking to the argument. Oh, McCain crashed five plaines! Oh, McCain picked up his wife in a bar when he was still married to his first wife! And so on.

        What you still haven't answered is why it is okay for Palin to lie. Is that part of Ayn Rand's philosophy that I didn't know about?  

        Report Abuse
        • Author by skettle2000 (September 09, 2008 8:56 pm ET)
             
          She did not lie.  You can repeat it 10 million times but she did not lie. 
          Report Abuse
          • Author by open_mind (September 09, 2008 9:03 pm ET)
               
            Her intent was to deceive as one can plainly see.  She lied.
            Report Abuse
          • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2008 9:06 pm ET)
               

            Skettle wrote:

            >>She did not lie.  You can repeat it 10 million times but she did not lie. 

            Sure, Skettle. I guess your goal at this point is to just keep sticking to your point, no matter how many times I demonstrate it is false. She never told congress no the bridge. She was not in power to do so. That is a lie.

            Further, she was not against the project. She championed it before, and then *lamented* that it could not be built.  

            Report Abuse
            • Author by skettle2000 (September 10, 2008 11:42 am ET)
                 

              The I guess Obama's campaign is lieing when he says:

              "She was for it before she was against it".

              Even your Messiah claims she was against it.   You can't have it both ways.

              Report Abuse
      • Author by onionhead (September 09, 2008 11:32 pm ET)
           
        Bush was good friends with Ken Lay.   What's your fricken point?
        Report Abuse
      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (September 10, 2008 9:44 am ET)
           

        John McCain's personal friend G. Gordon Liddy did.  He advocated that the Branch Davidians aim for the heads of ATF agents.  Is he a "good judge of character?"

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134.html

        A  former McCain official was arrested for soliciting prostitution:

        http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/mccain.campaign/index.html

        Wasn't our current President indicted on a DUI charge?

        Report Abuse
    • Author by ukobserver (September 09, 2008 8:21 pm ET)
         

      To Krusty2000:

       

      "Like I said, you have a chance, to look at all the facts over Palin vs Obama.  You have a chance to look at both sides and decide for yourself.  If you make the obvious wrong decision and pick the Messiah the 666 may end up getting tattoed right on your forehead. " 

       

      Wow. Project much? The last thing l am either going to respect, worry about, or treat with anything other than comtept is a faux xistian supporter of Caibuo Barbie who has the audacity to post the large amount of Moose crap you just did about looking at the two candidates.  If you look at what Caribuo Barbie has said which is an outright LIE which she is STILL REPEATING and say you are still supporting her you should stop wasting time here and just do what most of you right wingers do best, photoshop her head onto another body so you can stay in your mum's basement and knock one out.

       

      "Remove the hate from your heart.  Don't blindly drink the Kool Aid.  You have been told lies by the far left all your life so they can control you.  It is time to break out of these lies and this position of weakness.  Don't live for the far left. "

       

      WFT are you on about Krusty? So in Left Behind world Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Savage, Beck, Kristol, Rove, Malkin, et al are all paragins of virtue who, when they defecate it turns to sweet smelling flowers? None of them have EVER said anything hateful about people they disagree with?  Limbaugh doesn't say "Don't read the papers, l will give you the news"? No, your not drinking the Kool Aid, you're getting it main lined from an IV drip.

       

      "There is still time for you.  There is still time.. open your heart.   Put morality into your heart and stand for fundamental freedom and fairness."

       

      It's a good thing that your people on Left Behind world don't believe in science Krusty, because l swear working out the equation which shows just how much contempt l have for you for that statement alone would take them several lifetimes.

       

      You DARE speak of morality? 3000+ dead under this idiot who ignored the warnings given to him weeks before the worst attack on American soil in it's history, and not even an apology for failing to do his job? An illegal war based on LIES, 1 Million Iraqis, 4000+ of your citizens and 100's of others dead from foreign lands? Innocent people detained and tortured, treated worse than criminals 300 years ago, held without trial or idea of trial? One of your oldest and most vibrant cities left to drown, it's poorer citizens abandoned for days? 30+ million living BELOW the poverty line where the richest 1% have increased there holding so the gap between rich and poor is wider than the days of the robber barons in the 20's and 30's? More of your economic future held in the hands of countries who could destroy it by asking for their money back? And you dare speak of MORALITY?

       

      You support an ethicly challenged political party full of repressed homosexuals, blatent racists and grubby charlatens who at the drop of a money clip will bend over and whore themselves out to big business because its good for their bank balance. And you dare speak of MORALITY? 

       

      You cheer on the speeches of a serial adulterer who now cowers at the feet of those who 8 years ago smeared him and destroyed his reputation because he stood up to their lies, but now rejects the principals and standards he himself set which made him admired and now cleans their shoes with his tounge in his desire to be President. And you dare speak of MORALITY? 

       

      To quote Inigo Montoya:

       

      "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means".

       

      Maybe you should find a scientist on your planet Krusty. If you could find a way to get off you could find a book of the New Testament. When you do look up Matthew ch5 v. 3-12 and Matthew ch25 v. 35-45.

       

      Until then? Walk east til your hair floats. 

       

      Report Abuse
    • Author by dandrea (September 10, 2008 1:24 am ET)
         
      What's happened to Juan Williams? He was the Alan Colmes of the Fox Sunday show. He played the right wing's version of the liberal. He was there for Hume and Christal to kick around. Now he leads the dissing of Obama.
      Report Abuse

my.MediaMatters.org

Login  Sign Up

Push Back

Phone calls, emails and letters from the public do make a difference. Remember that to be effective you must be polite, and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and indicate what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future.