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Hannity misled about several Obama foreign policy positions to ask: "[D]oes that sound like a guy that has the experience to be the commander in chief?"

September 12, 2008 7:32 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity made misleading assertions about Sen. Barack Obama's positions on civilian deaths in Afghanistan, military spending, and nuclear weapons, and then asked, "[D]oes that sound like a guy that has the experience to be the commander in chief?"

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On the September 11 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity followed a series of misleading assertions about Sen. Barack Obama by asking Fox News contributor Lanny Davis: "[D]oes that sound like a guy that has the experience to be the commander in chief?"

Specifically, Hannity said:

When Barack Obama said that our troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing major problems there, when he said he could cut military spending, billions of dollars, cut investment in unproven missile defense systems, will not weaponize space, slow development of Future Combat Systems, when he said he would rid the world of nuclear weapons, set a goal of doing that, does that sound like a guy that has the experience to be the commander in chief? And do you think it was wrong when he accused our troops of air-raiding villages and killing civilians?

But Hannity mischaracterized Obama's statement about his plans to "cut military spending, billions of dollars." And in suggesting Obama was somehow misguided for proposing "slow[ing] development of Future Combat Systems," Hannity did not mention that the McCain campaign has said that the program "should be ended." Further, while Hannity suggested that Obama's goal of a world without nuclear weapons indicated he did not have the experience to be commander in chief, a bipartisan group of experts echoed Obama's position. Moreover, in his repeated references to Obama's statement that "we're air-raiding villages and killing civilians" in Afghanistan, Hannity again failed to note that Obama's claim is reportedly accurate.

Airstrikes and civilian deaths in Afghanistan

As Media Matters for America has documented, Hannity has previously attacked and mischaracterized Obama's August 13, 2007, statement that "[w]e've got to get the job done there [in Afghanistan] and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." On the August 15, 2007, edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity falsely suggested that Obama "attack[ed] our troops as murderers," and on the August 21, 2007, show, claimed that Obama's comments were "not true." In fact, U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan -- and accounts of resulting civilian casualties -- have been widely reported in the media and have reportedly provoked criticism from Afghan President Hamid Karzai and a British commander stationed there. Additionally, the Associated Press reported in a "Fact Check" responding to conservative attacks on Obama: "Western forces have been killing [Afghan] civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents."

From the August 14, 2007, AP "Fact Check" article:

"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there," Obama said.

[...]

A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians.

The U.S. and NATO say they don't have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials. Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.

As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can't be attributed to one party.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai expressed his concern about the civilian deaths during a meeting last week with President Bush.

Bush said he understands the agony that Afghans feel over the loss of innocent lives and that he is doing everything he can to protect them. He said the Taliban are using civilians as human shields and have no regard for their lives.

"The president rightly expressed his concerns about civilian casualty," Bush said of Karzai. "And I assured him that we share those concerns."

Further, in a July 7, 2007, article on NATO and U.S. airstrikes that reportedly killed more than 100 Afghan civilians, Reuters cited the assessment of military analysts that "a shortage of ground troops means commanders often turn to air power":

President Hamid Karzai has repeatedly called for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and the separate U.S. force in Afghanistan to coordinate more closely with his troops to curb a spate of civilian deaths from airstrikes.

But Western unwillingness to accept casualties among their own soldiers and a shortage of ground troops means commanders often turn to air power to beat the Taliban, and that almost inevitably leads to civilians [sic] deaths, military analysts say.

Setting a goal of a world without nuclear weapons

A bipartisan coalition of experts, including former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, former Defense Secretary William J. Perry, and former Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA) offered a proposal for nuclear arms similar to the position Obama has articulated. In an essay headlined "A World Free of Nuclear Weapons" published in the January 4, 2007, Wall Street Journal, the group noted that "Ronald Reagan called for the abolishment of 'all nuclear weapons,' which he considered to be 'totally irrational, totally inhumane, good for nothing but killing, possibly destructive of life on earth and civilization.' " Further, they wrote:

Reassertion of the vision of a world free of nuclear weapons and practical measures toward achieving that goal would be, and would be perceived as, a bold initiative consistent with America's moral heritage. The effort could have a profoundly positive impact on the security of future generations. Without the bold vision, the actions will not be perceived as fair or urgent. Without the actions, the vision will not be perceived as realistic or possible.

Obama highlighted the proposal by Shultz, Perry, Kissinger, and Nunn in a January 17 press release, in which he asserted:

I welcome the renewed call by Sam Nunn, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger, and William Perry to urge the United States to support a world free of nuclear weapons. These four Americans have shown leadership on this issue for many months, and I have embraced this goal throughout my campaign. As I said in a speech on October 2 [2007]: "Here's what I'll say as President: America seeks a world in which there are no nuclear weapons."

Military spending

Hannity's assertion that Obama "could cut military spending, billions of dollars" leaves out a key word in Obama's actual statement. As Media Matters has noted, Obama told the group Caucus4Priorities that he would cut "tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending," not overall defense spending in general.

Future Combat Systems

Hannity also asserted that Obama would "slow development of Future Combat Systems." In fact, as Wired blogger Noah Shachtman noted, Future Combat Systems is a specific Army program that the McCain campaign has said "should be ended." The McCain campaign budget plan that McCain senior economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin provided to The Washington Post editorial board, published July 14, states:

Balance the budget requires slowing outlay growth to 2.4 percent. The roughly $470 billion dollars (by 2013) in slower spending growth come from reduced deployments abroad ($150 billion; consistent with success in Iraq/Afghanistan that permits deployments to be cut by half -- hopefully more), slower discretionary spending in non-defense and Pentagon procurements ($160 billion; there are lots of procurements -- airborne laser, Globemaster, Future Combat System -- that should be ended and the entire Pentagon budget should be scrubbed) and reductions in mandatory spending ($160 billion) from a mix of excessive agricultural and ethanol subsidies, slower health care cost growth, Medicaid savings from the expansion of private insurance, and other reforms.

From the September 11 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: All right, here's my final question.

DAVIS: -- and we don't need that kind of provocation.

HANNITY: When Barack Obama said that our troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing major problems there, when he said he could cut military spending, billions of dollars, cut investment in unproven missile defense systems, will not weaponize space, slow development of Future Combat Systems, when he said he would rid the world of nuclear weapons, set a goal of doing that, does that sound like a guy that has the experience to be the commander in chief? And do you think it was wrong when he accused our troops of air-raiding villages and killing civilians?

DAVIS: Well, when you quote things, Sean, I have to believe that you're quoting --

HANNITY: I just played it. I just played it earlier in the show.

DAVIS: I don't know -- I don't know the context, so all I can say is that some of those words sound as if they're taken out of context.

HANNITY: I played the quote exactly, and I was reading verbatim. I just played it earlier in the show.

DAVIS: I'm only protecting the both of us that Senator Obama might say they were taken out of context. But, so, I don't know those quotes.

MICHAEL STEELE (Fox News contributor): Hey, Sean. Hey, Sean. Sean, that's called the backstroke, baby. Let's get out of it as quickly as possible.

HANNITY: Yeah. Thank God the music is playing. Lanny wants to get out of here.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 12, 2008 7:42 pm ET)
         
      Lanny Davis was about ready to tell Hannity to pull his head out of the a$$ and start asking questions that made more sense instead of sporadit incomplete quotes out of context ..
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      • Author by mescal (September 12, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
           

        Lanny did his job as Faux News latest milktoast 'liberal Democrat.' He is not there to confront propagandistic hacks like Insannity when they twist the truth into something unrecognisable. He is there to either meekly contest them... getting trampled by the unwavering certainty and numerical superiority of his wingnut coworkers... or, more often, to AGREE with them.

        It makes you wonder how much a human soul is going for these days on the open market. 

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    • Author by worrierking (September 12, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
         
      So what is this low life Hannity saying, that civilians aren't dying? There is no collateral damage?

      If we plan on doing better than the Soviets did in Afghanistan we had damned sure better understand the whole hearts and minds thing.
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      • Author by neon desert (September 12, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
           

        Have I mentioned that hannity is

        The. 

        Dumbest. 

        Guy. 

        In. 

        Media?

        And yes, that includes savageweiner.  

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        • Author by my4cents (September 12, 2008 9:20 pm ET)
             
          what does it say about his loyal followers?
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          • Author by wzwriter (September 15, 2008 9:38 am ET)
               

            what does it say about his loyal followers?

            It says that "The Hannitized" are dumber than dittoheads.

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        • Author by onionhead (September 12, 2008 10:36 pm ET)
             
          Hey! Hannity is the most bestest journalist in the whole wide world that God ever put on the earth!
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        • Author by annes10 (September 12, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
             
          SHawnnity is fwightened ... of big old nasty democwats. Sheanie wiww say anyting, anyday, evwy day, to not feew so fwightened.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 13, 2008 1:15 am ET)
           

        So what is this low life Hannity saying, that civilians aren't dying?

        WK, that always drives me crazy, like so many of the things on Hannity's "magic list" that he always ends up reading from.Why does nobody (I mean the "Democratic strategists" and other foils he has on) ever ask him, "Sean, do you think that no civilians are killed by our military?" Why is a true statement such an affront to Hannity, and why doesn't he ever get asked this question?

        This has replaced his other well-worn quote-- that John Kerry said our troops shouldn't be breaking into civilians' houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing them.The logical response to this is "Do you disagree? You think our troops should be doing this?"

        It's amazing and depressing that there's an audience for this clown, other than people like me who watch him occasionally to laugh at him. Does the average Fox viewer not have that part of the brain that causes you to ask the obvious and logical follow-up question to Hannity's boneheaded script?

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 15, 2008 8:14 am ET)
             

          Does the average Fox viewer not have that part of the brain that causes you to ask the obvious and logical follow-up question to Hannity's boneheaded script?

           I know these people.  Some of them are not bad people.  But NO, they don't have (or use) that part of their brain.  And as they see [electing republicans] as something intrinsicly good, they would argue that the ends justifies the means, even if they did.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (September 12, 2008 7:55 pm ET)
         
      Hannity lying....that is definitely different.
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    • Author by ultrasanktpauli (September 12, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
         
      no way... not the dreaded "double pointy finger technique"

      have some humanity man!
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      • Author by ukobserver (September 12, 2008 8:33 pm ET)
           

        Do not underestimate the power of the double finger technique!!

         

        Look how well it went in 2006. Just when you thought that republicans could actually survive the double pointy fingers went up in it's defence of Santorum and Allen and look how well that went!!

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        • Author by Pyrrhonist (September 14, 2008 8:01 pm ET)
             
          The fall of Allen and Santorum was enormous - a "jump the shark moment" and a (small) reality check. I think the defeat of these two W wannabees was a watershed event. It gave  the Democrats hope and took out two of the 2008 contenders. Maybe the giant pendulum of public opinion has begun the swing back at last.
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    • Author by fawltylogic (September 12, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
         
      Hannity looks so much like Nelson in "The Simpsons". I bet when Nelson grows up, he'll be a right-wing talking head just like Hannity.
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      • Author by neon desert (September 12, 2008 8:33 pm ET)
           

        Whoops!  Little typo there.  You meant to write "When hannity grows up, he'll be just like Nelson".

        At least, that makes more sense to me. 

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (September 12, 2008 9:21 pm ET)
         
      Make no mistake, Sean Hannity is NOT an idiot. He is a valuable shill for the Right Wing, and an effective one, too. No matter how outraged we get, we have NO effect on the likes of Hannity. MILLIONS of moronic viewers listen to his hate-filled tripe every day! It is that segment of the population that will decide the outcome of this election. Not the (choke, LIBERALS) who sit around sputtering and wringing their hands about how "UNfair and UNbalanced" the media is. Faux is in bed with the Conservatives who are out to destroy the United States. Osama bin Laden is thrilled with these traitors that work for the media. Everything, but EVERYTHING, Bush and Co. have done to this country is at the behest of our mortal enemies. In former times, they would be HANGED for treason.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 12, 2008 10:13 pm ET)
           
        Sorry, but Hannity IS very much an idiot...an effective one, no doubt, but still an idiot. His success as a right wing propagandist lies with his audience...an equally idiotic bunch driven by fears, prejudices and far right wing ideology. Credit Hannity and his ilk with making the dumbing down of America a value.
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      • Author by onionhead (September 12, 2008 10:38 pm ET)
           

        "Sean Hannity is NOT an idiot. He is a valuable shill..."

        The two terms are not mutually exclusive. 

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        • Author by peebs755 (September 13, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
             
          If hannity is not an idiot, the he's one of the most soulless evil people I've ever witnessed.

          If he's not an idiot, then he knows what he's saying is lies and falsehoods and chooses to say it anyway for power and money. Pure evil.
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          • Author by neon desert (September 13, 2008 5:51 pm ET)
               

            Oh no, he's an idiot who recognizes that he's lying.  He knows that.  What makes him an idiot is that he doesn't (despite what he says) come up with his own talking points.  I'd honestly be surprised if he does ANY research at all.  He has folks who dig up facts for him, which they then type onto one of his 8X11 sheets that you him with, he spends about 1/2 hour show-prep time reading them (I don't know if rumors about "with the help of a tutor" are true or not) and goes on air.

            You'll hear him repeat the same tired phrases for weeks ("lowest unemployment in last 40 years") exactly the same way, because he can't form an original sentence that makes any sense.  He knows their lies, which is why when challenged on one of them, he immediately goes back and spends the remainder of the segment repeating the same list, denying the guest adequate time to respond.

            No, have no doubt.  He is an idiot.  Have I mentioned that hannity  is

            the.

            Dumbest.

            Guy.

            In.

            Media?

            Documented fact. 

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      • Author by annes10 (September 12, 2008 10:59 pm ET)
           

        Mad dog, you are correct when you say that: MILLIONS of moronic viewers listen to his hate-filled tripe every day!

        But these are the loyal minions ... they will never vote democratic, even from the grave. You are right, there have to be enough voters to counteract their votes, but ... there is no way of changing that now, except by attrition. It almost wnet dem in '00, almost again in '04, and it can happen in '08 if ... 

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        • Author by BottleBlonde (September 13, 2008 10:29 am ET)
             

          A couple of days ago I heard some rightie commentator say that tactics that Obama was using and ads that Obama was showing weren't going to win him any Republican votes.

          Like that meant something!

          Obama's not trying to influence the brain-dead. It's not Republicans who help elect Democrats in tight races. It's independents and moderates who get influenced.

          So the rightie commentator saying that Obama's tactics weren't going to influence Republicans was just another example of conservative misinformation - it made Obama look worse than he deserved to look. He's not trying to influence diehard conservatives. It's a strawman argument to say that he's failing in that effort, because he's not making that effort!

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          • Author by annes10 (September 13, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
               

            Exactly right. The dems are registering tens of thousands of new voters, while republican voter rolls are shrinking, either by attrition or ... possibly because some (clearly not many) republicans are finally questioning why they've blindly supported republican policies that have fleeced the taxpaying public (their grandchildren, not themselves) and brought the country to its knees economically and morally (I understand the immorality of the Bush doctrine, even if Sarah Palin does not).

            It would be great if republicans could open their minds and question their long-standing support of Bush's failed policies ... but I'm not holding my breath.

            And Hannity? is just a paid neocon mouthpiece.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (September 12, 2008 11:02 pm ET)
         

      A useful idiot is how Ol Joe would call it.

      Though he has managed to become his own economic miracle. His customers kind of like any other type of addict. They cannot concieve of life without what he gives them on a regular basis.

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    • Author by jbraskin (September 13, 2008 1:09 am ET)
         
      How shocking.  Hannity misrepresenting Senator Obama and sounding like a complete idiot.  Archie Bunker lives.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (September 13, 2008 8:40 am ET)
         
      Barack Obama lacks the experience, judgement and common sense to be commander-in-chief and shouldd go back to being a community organizer.  It's obviously the only job he is qualified to do.
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      • Author by jjcomet514 (September 13, 2008 10:34 am ET)
           
        Unlike McCain, who doesn't know when the surge occurred, supported Bush in 98% of his Senate votes over the past 8 years, has changed his position on virtually every issue since his campaign started in order to pander to his base, and now is determined to show everyone in America that he is a serial liar. This is a man who tells us how he's going to change Washington, - he's been there a quarter century and apparently still thinks Washington is "broken" - yet apparently he hasn't done shit in 26 years to make the federal government any better. Yet you'll gladly vote for him because...?
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 15, 2008 2:34 pm ET)
             

          John W. McCain is an instrument of change. Unfortunately,the only ting he has changed is John W. McCain.

          If McCain ever was a maverick, the McCain of today would kick his ass into compliance with 95% of the Administration's programs.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (September 13, 2008 11:06 am ET)
         
      Seannie the Sissy has maintained that it is his job to derail the Obama (word of the week) Express...previously it was the Clinton Express. His JOB..wow, if Obama wins does that mean that he will be fired or resign in disgrace. NOPE...he'll just be another man who failed in his job. Go, Seannie, Go. Like every Con, he will admit something went wrong, take full responsibility and pay no price for his errors. Sort of like Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the Neo-Cons who are now pushing Palin/McSammie.
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    • Author by leatherhelmet (September 13, 2008 12:27 pm ET)
         

      Obama has said he wants 100,000 more troops and wants to invade Pakistan.

      That doesn't sound like cutting the military to me. 

       

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      • Author by peebs755 (September 13, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
           
        Provide the quote. You can't.
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        • Author by peebs755 (September 13, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
             
          See. typical right wing make some unsubstantiated statement, and act like its fact. It actually sounds fun. Let me try.

          John McCain said he wants to stop wasting money on veterans causes, and put it where it matters. in the coffers of war profiteers.

          Wow, that was kind of fun.
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          • Author by neon desert (September 13, 2008 6:07 pm ET)
               

            No, you don't get it.

            You're NOT supposed to say something that's TRUE. 

            Try again... 

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        • Author by annes10 (September 14, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
             

          Peebs, it is true that Obama wants to get OBL, to bring him to justice. That is something I've been wanting, too, for 7+ years now. And I think most Americans (except Republicans, for some reason) also want that.

          From listening to Obama's speeches and reading at his website, my take on his plans is to wrap up things in Iraq then on Afghanistan, with emphasis on arresting OBL. I don't recall ever hearing Osama advocate increasing the number of troops deployed, I thought he wanted to decrease the number of troops, and cut the deployment times from 15 months to a year or less.

          The troll you are responding to is most likely spewing lies from one of those viral GOOPER emails going around. 

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      • Author by annes10 (September 13, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
           

        I suppose you can give a citation? I won't hold my breath. In the meantime, the evidence is stacking up that McCain is a big liar

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (September 13, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
         

      You don't sound like your very close to creditable to me. Your consistency in this essential marker is amazing.

      Sides its too late Shrub is already invading them, adding up large amounts of collateral damage, lying about it, and just generally putting the cherry on the top of his icecream sunday of acts against the world he hates so much. 

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    • Author by jmh (September 14, 2008 12:47 pm ET)
         
      Hannity is one of the worst, if not the foremost, offenders (purveyors, if you will) of smear broadcast journalism. He has never faced any professional, or statistically significant rhetorical accountability on this regard. (Ketih Olbermann notwithstanding)

      This is a perpetual shame.
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