Applebee's and green tea redux: Reuters' Decker said Biden's "French cuffs" could cause problems for him "connect[ing] with voters"
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SUMMARY: On MSNBC Live, while assessing a speech on the economy by Sen. Joe Biden, Jon Decker said that Biden does not "help[] his case when he's making the argument on economic issues wearing French cuffs and dressed to the nines. I think that he's really got to connect with these voters." Contrary to the notion that wearing French cuffs may interfere with Biden's ability to "connect with these voters," French cuff shirts can be found for $37.50 on the website of J.C. Penney, a national department-store chain that many voters can presumably "connect" with.
On the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live, while assessing Sen. Joe Biden's speech on the economy, Reuters Washington correspondent Jon Decker said that Biden does not "help[] his case when he's making the argument on economic issues wearing French cuffs and dressed to the nines. I think that he's really got to connect with these voters." MSNBC anchor Chris Jansing agreed, asserting: "Yeah, it's about the message, but also about the perception. I guess ... I was a little surprised too that he didn't have that coat off and roll up his sleeves." Contrary to the notion that wearing French cuffs may interfere with Biden's ability to "connect with these voters," French cuff shirts can be found for $37.50 on the website of J.C. Penney, a national department-store chain that many voters can presumably "connect" with.
As Media Matters for America has documented, Decker also questioned Sen. Barack Obama's ability to connect with voters when he stated, in reference to Obama's bowling score during a March 29 campaign stop at Pleasant Valley Lanes in Altoona, Pennsylvania: "You know, this cuts to 'is this person real? Do they connect with me as a voter?' You know, for someone who's in a bowling league in northeast central Pennsylvania, in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, they can't identify with someone getting a 37 over seven frames."
Further, Chris Matthews said of Obama on May 13 edition of Hardball: "I think, being an African-American, it's all the more important to get in there and show who you are, introduce yourself as a person, not as an identity group, but as a human being, and connect with people. I think that's still going to be his challenge." Matthews then stated: "Playing pool, not a bad start, but it's not what most people play. People with money play pool these days." Matthews added: "The guys who have pool rooms in their house in the basement. You know what those tables cost?"
On the April 10 edition of Hardball, after reporting that Obama "campaigned today in northern Indiana, shaking hands and chatting with people at a diner near South Bend," MSNBC correspondent David Shuster stated to Matthews: "Well, here's the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, 'I'll have orange juice.' " Matthews later interviewed Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), an Obama supporter, asking: "Isn't that interesting, Senator Casey, that Barack Obama, your candidate, can walk before 15,000 people with complete calm and assurance, but he seems a little out of place in A) a bowling alley and B) a diner? What is the problem with your guy?"
On June 3, New York Times columnist David Brooks said on MSNBC Live that "Obama's problem is he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who could go into an Applebee's salad bar, and people think he fits in naturally there." Media Matters contacted the consumer relations department at Applebee's, which confirmed that Applebee's restaurants do not have salad bars.
The "French cuffs" comment also recalled a luncheon speech reportedly given by CNN senior political correspondent Candy Crowley, in which, according to an article in the November 16, 2004, edition of The Palm Beach Post, Crowley suggested that Sen. John Kerry's request at a Dubuque, Iowa, Holiday Inn for green tea -- which, as Media Matters noted, could be bought at the local Kmart -- exemplified what Crowley characterized as the "very large disconnect between the Washington politicians and most of America and how they live." Crowley reportedly added that in the 2004 presidential race, President Bush "was able to bridge that gap, and Kerry was not."
From the 11 a.m. ET hour of the September 15 edition of MSNBC Live:
CHRIS JANSING (anchor): So we've got both of the vice-presidential candidates out there on the stump, and you can hear Joseph Biden trying to tie the McCain-Palin ticket to the Bush administration -- President Bush's approval rating in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll at 34 percent. That should favor the ticket -- the ticket Biden is on with Barack Obama. In Michigan, they've lost 400,000 manufacturing jobs since 2000 when President Bush took office. They have the highest unemployment rate in the nation. Jennifer Skalka, editor of Hotline On Call, joins me along with Jon Decker, Washington correspondent for Reuters Television. I guess, Jon, what struck me listening now to Joe Biden and also listening to Sarah Palin before that -- couldn't be much more different in styles?
DECKER: It was pretty interesting. I think what's clear out of both of their messages today is that we've now returned to the economy once again as the number-one issue that presidential and vice-presidential candidates are talking about. And who could blame them with all of the crisis that is going on Wall Street today, with Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, AIG? I think that -- that, obviously, is the focus of Wall Street, but for the people that are listening in Michigan for Joe Biden in Colorado, for Sarah Palin, they're focused on the pocketbook issues, and we heard both of them speak about that this morning.
JANSING: Jennifer, any surprise in what you heard this morning? I mean, a lot of this is out of their standard stump speeches, although they did bring in the financial crisis today on Wall Street.
SKALKA: They did, certainly. Look, I think Sarah Palin is -- is obviously a new voice in all of this, and I think she stands out there as, you know, an earnest, populist messenger, somebody who has run a small business, who comes from a small business-oriented family, the father-in-law with the hardware store, and -- and I think that resonates with voters who see her as going through these same trials and tribulations with them. I think it makes it harder for Obama and Biden to cast McCain and Palin as more of the same.
JANSING: She's very folksy, Jon, calling her husband the First Dude and, you know, as Jennifer just said, talking about her family's experiences as small business owners, saying, you know, "I understand what it's like out there."
DECKER: You heard the reaction from those folks in Golden, Colorado. They really are energized by her, and it's the same type of reaction that she has received many places since she gave that convention speech a few Wednesdays ago. She's making that connection, she's energizing the Republican Party, and there are also some independents that are looking at the McCain-Palin ticket. I might add, just in terms of perception -- and Jennifer talked about it -- she has this folksy way of talking. For Joe Biden, I -- you know, not that he's not folksy, but I don't think it helps his case when he's making the argument on economic issues wearing French cuffs and dressed to the nines. I think that he's really got to connect with these voters, and his background certainly is a connection. He comes from a blue-collar family from Scranton, Pennsylvania, and I'm sure we'll hear a lot about his background in the weeks ahead leading up to November the 4th.
JANSING: Yeah, it's about the message, but also about the perception. I guess --
DECKER: It is.
JANSING: -- I'm -- I was a little surprised too that he didn't have that coat off and roll up his sleeves. We shall see how this progresses. We've got to cut it short with both of you. I'm sorry, Jon and Jennifer, because we spent so much time listening to those campaign stops, but thanks for being with us.
DECKER: Thanks, Chris.
SKALKA: Sure.

















You know I never post without facts to back it up. I forgot to add the link, but here's proof that McCain understands foreclosures like us middle class folk!
Again with the French??
I suppose I could send over to all of our media, a detailed history lesson about how if it were not for the French 240 years ago...... each and every one of us here in America would have a British accent!
Of course..... FoxNoise would probably send security after me if I did?
Or a BillO 'stalker' producer?
LET'S CHANGES THE NAME TO FREEDOM CUFFS!
...On second thought, maybe not. That sounds like a euphamism for those plastic zip ties that cops use instead of handcuffs.
At least those houses aren't French.
I think it's a safe bet that at least one of them has a set of French doors. And somewhere, there's French Vanilla ice cream and French fires in the freezer.....
:-)
It shouldn't even matter if she's lying or telling the truth about that stuff. She's clearly not qualified for the VP job either way. The polls are reflecting just a brief "15 minute" fascination before reality sets in and Obama pulls away and wins handily.
I have to believe that.
"15 minute" fascination
Nailed it Bruce. I'm still a little in awe that Palin caught on in the first place. I thought she & McCain would have been laughed out of the race.
This fanfare will mellow out, then fade. If it doesn't, then America deserves whatever it gets...again.
sure, this is important. let's not talk about the fact that palin keeps lying about the bridge to nowhere...
And now there's another bridge story connected to Caribou Barbie:
Palin supports $600 million 'other' bridge project
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
By GARANCE BURKE, Associated Press Writer
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin may eventually have said "no thanks" to a federally funded Bridge to Nowhere.
But a bridge to her hometown of Wasilla, that's a different story.
A $600 million bridge and highway project to link Alaska's largest city to Palin's town of 7,000 residents is moving full speed ahead, despite concerns the bridge could worsen some commuting and threaten a population of beluga whales.
Local officials already have spent $42 million on plans to route traffic across the Knik Arm inlet, a narrow finger of water extending roughly 25 miles northeast of Anchorage toward Wasilla. The proposal exists thanks to an earmark request by Republican Rep. Don Young, whose son-in-law has a small stake in property near the bridge's proposed western span.
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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Sep16/0,4670,PalinBridgetoWasilla,00.html
Ridiculous item #1;
That any politician, once elected and constantly being told how important they are to all of us, can connect with anyone outside of their staff or spokespeople.
Ridiculous item #2;
That this dimwitted reporter would waste airtime opining on Biden's dapper dressing style.
Most ridiculous item;
That MMFA would actually search out the price of French cuffs, from JC Penney nonetheless.
Nope, it still gets even more ridiculous...
MMFA neglets to mention that there's a $7.51 discount on each French cuff if you buy more than one.
I think its hilarious MMFA looked it up and I am glad they did. Did you know that you could 13 1/3 sets of French cuffs for one pair of McCain's shoes ;)?
Man, what's next?
That MMFA would actually search out the price of French cuffs, from JC Penney nonetheless.
Haha, yeah ridiculous; but not the most ridiculous.
I think the *most* ridiculous aspect of this complaint is MMFA using that pricing as some sort of argument and not considering how unprofessional it sounds.
Note to MMFA editorial staff: The French cuffs were called out as being representative of the privileged - elite. The fact that a ‘french cuff’ can be purchased for $37 dollars is totally orthogonal to the topic at hand and just plain silly. I.e., it was a lame argument.
Max.....................MAX......
Oh................ there you are!!
You never answered my question to you from one of the other threads over this last weekend.........
How much rent do your parents make you pay for living in their basement??
I.e., it was a lame argument.
And if anyone around here known lame arguments, it's Max Dharma. He maked scads of them every day.
(Hey - I just realized something. You never see Max Dharma, Proud Conservative, Point of View, Rino Hunter, and Another American post to the same thread. Could they all be the same person? You decide....)
PC, Pointy and AA are pains in my ass, but I'm pretty sure they've kept the same name over the years.
RINO disappears for long stretches, but a lot of trolls appear and seem to be using the same style that he does.
Max on the other hand might be one of our guys who change names like most people change socks. All of his past lives seem to blend together and I can't quite place his new persona to any old trolls. But I'm pretty sure he's had a lot of different lives.
No one has had more identities than this Skittle or Skeetleandalotofdigits guy who's been trolling for the last few weeks. I'm pretty sure he's Scienceguy/Columbus and maybe even Dr.Emmerick and Col.RoyCampbell from a long way back.
What about John McCain's $500 Italian loafers? Joe Biden reprotedly has a net worth of about $150,000. What is McCain's net worth?
If that's true it wouldn't be a positive for Biden. Can't he manage his finances or something?
That is almost impossible that he would be worth that little at his age.
"The GOP or the mob mob?"
Hard to tell the difference anymore between the two!
Yeah, and Senators don't make that much money, and it costs quite a bit to be Senator, and raise several children from infancy to adulthood, and commute home every day. He had two kids that went to college, and he took out loans to pay for their education!
His salary? Pretty low by most standards for a professional in the job for decades. His home? Bought in 1975, worth a lot now, maybe close to a Million, so it came with a hefty mortgage payment he still hasn't paid off - probably mortgaged it to finance his run for President 2 decades ago. He's paid between $35,000 and $50,000 in mortgage interest payments in the last 10 years!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/12/politics/horserace/entry4445194.shtml
palin has made ten times as much selling moose pelts and having rocky mountain moose oyster BBQ's
Yes, I understand. In the last ten years, according to your link the Biden family has earned "only" approximately 2.4 million dollars.
That's not a lot of money.
If you were serious, you'd be right - it's not a lot of money. He's paid a ton for college and mortgage payments, and he's got two jobs and his wife has one job.
He doesn't make a lot of money considering all the years he's been at the same job. An engineer, scientist, doctor or lawyer doing the same job for 30 years would make a lot more than what he makes.
You sound like a Republican. Good for you.
Unfortunately for Biden, his salary puts him smack dab in the targeted Obama tax increases. You know, the ones targeting the rich?
Oops.
What is McCain's net worth?
Counting Cindy's money, about $100 million.
Not counting Cindy's money, about 39 cents.
Good one King.
You know as much as I'd hate to see time/money spent going after Cheney, Bush & other neocons, I still would get a lot of satisfaction seeing these guys led off in cuffs.
Jan 1993, Clinton takes office. DJIA around 3450
Jan 2001, Bush takes office from Clinton, DJIA around 11,000
Sept 2008, nearing end of Bush in office, DJIA around 11,000
McCain/Palin economics, same as GWB's.
Any questions?
Sarah Palin had a tanning bed installed in the governor's mansion. How working class is that?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/palin-installed-tanning-b_n_126625.html
Since she spends so little time at the governor's mansion, and collecting her per diem, I wonder if she has a second tanning bed at her private home.
When you gonna worry 'bout, Mel-a-no-ma?
Ooh you make my campaign hum, my campaign hum.
Guns a blazin' on the trail, Mel-a-no-ma?
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the upper class. Mel mel mel a yi woo. M M M Mel-a-no-ma...
Sung to the tune of My Sharona?
Snoop, my bud, my pal, I'm getting a tad worried about you ;-)
NoooOOooOOooooo! I can take that criticism from anyone but you! ;)
But yeah, the idea came to me that quick. Snoopy brain: My Shirona = 4 syllables. Melanoma = 4 syllables. Must... make... musical parody!
I don't know if I could ever forgive Biden for wearing french cuffs. What kind of an American DOES something like that?
FRENCH CUFFS!
Just THINK of it!
And after what the French did to us! In an act violent betrayal they... they... er... uhhhhh... um, a little help here, someone? What exactly did the French do to us again? Well, no matter. It was certainly pretty bad, whatever the hell it might have been.
"What exactly did the French do to us again? Well, no matter. It was certainly pretty bad, whatever the hell it might have been." - Mescal
Well, there was that Statue of Liberty thing. And they clearly saw us coming when they proposed The Louisiana Purchase.
with all french fries.
Somewhat OT, but earlier today I sent MMFA a post about push polling in Fla., it targeted Jewish voters and wanted to know if they would change their mind if they knew Obama gave millions to the PLO. We'll see if MMFA posts it here, but in the meantime, with oil at $97 a barrel, I thought y'all would find this new line of attack about oil "dependance" quite humorous (courtesy of think progress)...
George Allen: ‘Americans are not addicted to oil, they’re addicted to freedom.’
His loss to Webb was one of the highlights of 2006. But just like Santorum and Delay, he still gets to go on the air to spout is fascist drivel.
Kind of like the RNC crowd chanting USA USA! Can't we all just agree that everyone loves our country and move on to making it better!
My freedom mileage doesn't seem to be as good as it used to be.
Those are FPA (Freedom Protection Agency) estimates - your freedom mileage may vary.
I wonder if Jon came up with this on his own or he was handed a script? With the Market crashing 500 points, the financial markets flaming out, and McCain making statements about how well the Economy is doing, Jon comes up with this?
What a failure our media has become.
Hey, stop with the economy already, Sluggo. There'smore important things that we could be talking about. Hey, hey... look over here... shiney new french cuffs being worn by those elitist Democrats. See how pretty? Listen to how the rattle when you shake them.
Dude, get your proirities straight!
Whatta surprise, it's Oscar the Grouch, MMFA's answer to Mr. Blackwell.I think you underestimate the average American in suggesting that bumpkin get-up is necessary to connect with Joe Lunchbucket.
As per my usual routine, Sunday evening on the way home from dinner, I had my driver take a detour through the "less motivated" part of town. The pockets of my jodhpurs stuffed with ha'penny coins and my tinted rear window opened a crack, I made the connection between "providing class" and "unashed others", flinging coins playfully into the gutter as we sped by.
Occasionally, one of the beneficiaries would glance up in mid-dive, attracted by the glint of my monocle through the small opening of my window, and for a moment as they dove for the coins, we would make eye contact. It was a feeling of brotherhood and shared dreams every time.
Is this your "Bonfire of the Vanities" story? I love that one.
Tell us again about the part where you accidentally ventured into Thousand Oaks and ran over that lady who was waiting for her labradoodle to poop...
Oscar
A red hanky chief would indicate that Obama is a member of the Bloods.
A blue hanky chief would indicate that he is a member of the Crips.
A GREEN hanky chief, however... especially a silk one... would indicate that Obama was a member of a Wall Street investment banking firm, and could therefore be trusted by the voters, since they've kept our economic fundamentals so solid.
If you don't believe me, then just ask Republican presidential candidate Herbert Hoover.
McCain... I meant to say Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Damn it to hell!!!
Obama is left handed. I work with a left-handed bowler. Did you know that they use left-handed bowling balls? I didn't. Obama is quite an athlete. Do we know if they gave him a right-handed bowling ball? The finger holes are spaced differently and obviously the bowler's entire motion is different bowling left-handed.
Well, finding out that Joe Biden wears french cuffs has completely changed my politics! I've seamed the error of my ways.
Thank God and all the protected polar bears in Alaska it is not too late for me to register as a republican and turn this bus around. I don't care anymore if the republicans stole a couple of presidential elections, lied the country into a bogus war in Iraq and mired us there while failing to nab OBL who they left out loose to keep plotting against us, while scoffing at the constitution. I don't really mind that the republicans have taken over the airwaves and reduced political coverage to hateful vicious smears. French cuffs deserve no better, ne c’est pas? I don't even care that all the banks are closing, hell, we can get more banks!
Vote Palin/McCain! and just say no to french cuffs! (and yes to cool designer eye-glasses)
When french cuffs are outlawed, how will we play "Gendarme et le belle de nuit?" Zip ties tend to be such mood killers.
I think you should give the subject a little more consideration...
I also know how to tie a Windsor knot and even know how to tie a bow tie.
French cuffs are neither expensive nor exotic. My father was a union screenprinter, but he put shoetrees in his shoes and three-tip-folded a handkerchief in his vest pocket when he went to church.
It's not an elite thing. It's a generational thing.
(You'll have to pardon me--suddenly I see my dad putting on his garters (from the days before elastic-topped socks and buffing his Florsheim wing-tips and applying his Wildroot hair oil (just a little) and folding down his french cuffs to slide in the monogrammed cufflinks. He's been dead 17 years.)
There was a time when everybody know those rituals of male grooming, rich or poor. It was simply required.
(You'll have to pardon me--suddenly I see my dad putting on his garters (from the days before elastic-topped socks and buffing his Florsheim wing-tips and applying his Wildroot hair oil (just a little) and folding down his french cuffs to slide in the monogrammed cufflinks. He's been dead 17 years.)
That's OK - reading your post briught back images of my own father doing an almost identical ritual. He was a welder/maintenance mechanic during the week, but when we were young he always dressed up for church. And he died in 1991, too.
One thing he wore almost every sunday was the tie bar he got from Curtiss-Wright for 15 years of service welding their propellers. He got it in the mail the week after they laid him off in the Late '50s as jets became more popular and the demand for propellers dropped.
And these monogrammed stainless steel cuff links are sold for $39.00 at Wal-Mart......
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10072782
I only now of one kind of hell.
McCain as President.
The rest are all derivatives.