Liddy again falsely claimed Obama does not "have a birth certificate to show that he was born in Hawaii"
SUMMARY: On his radio show, G. Gordon Liddy again falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama does not "have a birth certificate to show that he was born in Hawaii." In fact, the Obama campaign has released Obama's birth certificate and reportedly provided the original to FactCheck.org, whose staff said that they "have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate" indicating that Obama was born in the United States.
On the September 15 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, G. Gordon Liddy falsely claimed of Sen. Barack Obama: "[T]here's others who say he was born, you know, in Kenya. And I don't have a birth certificate from Kenya to show that he was, but neither does he have a birth certificate to show that he was born in Hawaii, either." In fact, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, in addition to posting a copy of Obama's birth certificate on the campaign website, the Obama campaign reportedly provided the original to FactCheck.org, whose staff said in an August 21 article that they "have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate," and concluded that the document does, in fact, exist, and that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." Further, even right-wing website WorldNetDaily.com reported in an August 23 article that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic."
As Media Matters has noted, on the August 26 broadcast of his show, Liddy also falsely asserted: "[W]e still don't have a birth certificate for Obama. There are claims that he was actually born in Kenya."
From the September 15 broadcast of Radio America's The G. Gordon Liddy Show:
CALLER: Good morning.
LIDDY: Good morning, Greg.
CALLER: I understand you've spent some time in Arizona. Whereabouts do you -- did you --
LIDDY: I have a home on the Gainey Ranch.
CALLER: I'll be darned. I'll be darned. A beautiful place. We've moved here about eight months ago and we absolutely love it.
LIDDY: It is gorgeous. I love it, too, and I'm out there whenever I can.
CALLER: Yep. Anyway, tell you why I was calling. Earlier, in the late part of the last hour, you said something about Barack Obama -- he couldn't prove where he was born, and neither can we. That was your comment, and I thought that was monumental, in the sense that I got a passport for the first time five years ago, and I had to go through a whole week to -- 'cause I had lost it, and I had to get another one. And then, finally, I got it with the embossed seal, and sent it off, so it cost me about $45. Sent it off, and got it back returned, along with my passport. But it was a lengthy procedure --
LIDDY: Yes. Hmm-mm.
CALLER: -- and it seems like the -- perhaps one of the top two or three things that a candidate would have to do would -- if there's any doubt at all -- is prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
LIDDY: Well, if somebody raises it. I don't know why it hasn't been, you know, seriously raised. I think there is a lawsuit that has been filed, but I don't know what -- you know, what progress it has or has not made, but the only thing that they've offered is -- and Obama hasn't offered it -- the Daily Kos, that left-wing blog, offered a Photoshopped -- a much-Photoshopped -- copy of a certificate of live birth, which is not something -- it's not a birth certificate. It simply states that so-and-so was born alive here in Hawaii. But the serial number on it is redacted, blanked out. And that's because some people have suggested that it was actually the Photoshopped version --
CALLER: Right.
LIDDY: -- of the one from his half-sister, or something of that sort. And then there's others who say he was born, you know, in Kenya. And I don't have a birth certificate from Kenya to show that he was, but neither does he have a birth certificate to show that he was born in Hawaii, either.
CALLER: Well, why -- then all -- shouldn't everything stop at this point until he provides -- isn't the -- I guess the question is, to distill it down, isn't the burden of proof squarely on his shoulders? Or --
LIDDY: It is if it's challenged. And I -- I've heard that there was a lawsuit filed, but I don't know, you know, what has become of it.
CALLER: And last question, could this possibly be what we hear about in terms of an October surprise, and if it were the case, isn't it a possibility that Hillary would know that this is the case, and she would obviously step right in at that point at the train wreck that would occur? It would be a messy thing, but she would be the logical one if you take this thing to its conclusion.
LIDDY: Well, I think if she had that information and she had that proof, she would have used it by now, because the -- you know -- she would want a period of time for the dust to settle, and for her to campaign, and she hasn't done that. So, I would say while it's a possibility, it's not a probability.
CALLER: But it seems like this issue, even if he were to be elected president, and even if he weren't, it was -- continued to be a senator, it doesn't seem like this thing will ever, or should ever go away, until it's resolved one way or the other.
LIDDY: Well, you're right. I mean, it should be being resolved now.
CALLER: Right.
LIDDY: I mean, if there is a formal challenge in court, then that's certainly the way to proceed. And it would be in the United States courts, and we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
CALLER: OK. Thank you very much.
LIDDY: You're welcome, sir. All right, let's go to Wyoming and Cathy.
"he's getting boring."
Getting?? Try..... 'always has been' .... or 'a never should have been'!
What I'd like to know is how did this freak of nature get his own damn show on the radio? hmmm..
How is it that this walking piss-ant never went to prison?
What posible explaination is there as it pertains to Mr 'Should be a Felon" Liddy being allowed to speak his opinion as if he has the credibility to do so?
The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, the Telecomunication Act, and the whoring of our public airwaves by rightwing fanatics come to mind!
How is it that this walking piss-ant never went to prison?
Actually, he did. From Wikipedia:
For his role in Watergate, which he coordinated with Hunt, Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping, and received a 20-year sentence. He served a total of five and half years in prison, including over 100 days in solitary confinement, before his sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter and he was released on September 7, 1977.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_Gordon_Liddy
WZ,
Well...... if Wiki says it.... it must be true then..... my bad.
If true beyond Wiki..... I guess I have to go back and re-learn the useless bits of information that are out there!
You're kidding me? You guys did NOT know that Libby was incarcerated? Good God, people, READ! The right wing-nuts are criminals like Libby & Oliver North. Why do they get a loud and pronounced voice in our country?
Here is his birth certificate:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
"And it would be in the United States courts, and we'll just have to wait and see what happens?"
Why wait Mr Liddy!!
If you and that moron caller you spoke to about this are so damn sure that Barack Obama's birth certificate is bogus..... why not sue for the truth then?
Since the rightwing in general are so damn sure of it...... why not band together all your resources and sue accordingly?
Oh...... wait...... you won't..... because you all know that this story is crap and is only intended to get the less informed convinced that Obama may not be 'one of us'.......
Why not just come out and say it Mr Liddy........ just say the word.... you know you want to....... come on...... say it?
What? Are you afraid too?
Are you chicken? Come on...... its only a 6 letter word with two sylables.....
Here....I'll help you out...... start with the letter N....... I know you know the rest Mr Liddy...... Call BillO.... he'll help you out! or Ann Coulter or Rush Limpballs.....or Mike Reagan or Weiner-Savage......
Seriously though........... how long until one of these hateful people slip the word out, it goes unnoticed for a short time and then the flood gates open up?
This ranks right up there with a new push poll going on in Florida. The republican operatives are calling jewish folks and asking them if they will vote for Obama. If they say yes, the next question is would they still support him if they knew he was funneling millions of dollars to the PLO.
I think after this election republicans can hang up that "morals party" hat. It don't fit no more...
In essence, Snoop, McCain... under the vile tutelage of Karl Rove... is now employing the same dishonest and sleazy tactic against Obama that Rove and Dubya' used to derail McCain's own campaign in 2000.
I can't think of a more Faustian candidate for president in my lifetime.
Scary part #1 - people listen to Liddy
Scary part #2 - people use their valuable energy to dial a phone to talk to Liddy.
Scariest part of all - this caller actually uses his/her precious brain power to ponder Obama's birth certificate.
He needs one of those clown wigs on when he talks about this.
i think years ago he was hawking some calender he had thought up. it involved women (topless?) posing with automatic weapons.
That would be the "Stacked and Packed" calendar.
It just goes to show that not all chrome domes are created equal - see Colonel Sanders, he's hot and way smarter :-0) Sounds like the makings of our own MMFA chrome dome calender.
Hi JJ. If you need a confirming source, I'll vouch that I'm at least as hot, and no stoopider, than Liddy.I have plenty of chromedome slogans too;
God only made a few perfect heads, and he covered the rest with hair...
It's not a bald spot, it's a solar panel for a sex machine
OK, maybe that's all I have.
"If you want to waste your homones growing hair...that's YOUR problem"
Can we handsome men with a full head of hair attend Miz Julia?
You know you're dying to ask me to take you ;-)
Hmmn. Would you be willin' to shave your head, dude? I mean you cons are all about litmus tests, right? That would be mine in this instance. How can we compare handsomeness unless we compare you to your denuded brethern? The added bonus, of course, would be to see if you could compete for a spot in the calender. Ha!
If there was any credibility to this, wouldn't one think that Republican lawyers would be swarming the system immediately after Obama got the nomination?
And my God, when you're too far out there for WorldNetDaily, it's really time to step back from the edge.
Of course, you don't have to be born on American soil to be an American, eligible to be President. You just have to be born to an American citizen. McCain was not born within the United States, but in Panama, at Coco Solo Naval Air Station.
Liddy hopes that people don't know that; otherwise, his assertion that Obama is 'not one of us' goes down the drain, as McCain has potential "birth certificate issues" of his own, you know, not being born in the U.S. and all.
This supports a theory I’ve held for quite some time. The only people who buy little Gordo’s crap are the folks who find Michael Savage too subtle and sophisticated for their oh so meager minds.
When I was living in Colorado, a local gun show made the news because some yahoo was in there selling targets with Bill and Hillary's pictures on them. While he was still in office.
If I remember correctly, the Secret Service was very interested in talking to that guy......
Hey you guys, cut the ex-con some slack! He just got out of the slammer, and his only source of income is to repeat Karl Rove talking points.
Why else would he have that ridiculous mustache? Maybe to cover up the scars he got while he was in prison? Maybe he has a swastika tattooed on his upper lip?
He just got out of the slammer, and his only source of income is to repeat Karl Rove talking points.
Uh, Kyle? He's been out since 1977.....
Why else would he have that ridiculous mustache? Maybe to cover up the scars he got while he was in prison?
Yeah, those zippers can do some damage.
Unfortunately the supposedly association happy MSM has not detailed that McCain considers Liddy a friend.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134.html
Yes, but Barack HUSSEIN Obama is friends with Roy Wright, Tony Ayers and Jeremiah Rezko who are all currently in jail for crimes against America and supporting Islamic terrorism. Right?
Worthless, xenophobic, racist felon with a radio show.
When is a man's word that he was born in America not good enough for someone like Liddy? When that man is man of color.
Liddy's being a moron, as usual. Obama's mother is American, born in Kansas (if I'm not mistaken). That makes Obama an American, unequivocally.
Liddy must think everyone's an idiot.
That's Liddy's secret plan--and I can PROVE it!
I've always been a little disappointed that no righties have defended the "fake birth certificate" or "not a native american" topics when they've popped up.
C'mon, guys, I know you're out there. Give us some fun.
Should I start worrying about the validity of my marriage, since it took place on Oahu?
Only if you were married before July 6, 1898 - which is when Hawaii became a US Territory.
I lived in the same neighborhood as Liddy...about 8 yrs ago. At least I'll give him credit for a couple of things: He definitely has the courage of his convictions, and he did NOT sing like a canary during the Watergate investigations. he took his poison and did his prison time.
In fact, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, in addition to posting a copy of Obama's birth certificate on the campaign website, the Obama campaign reportedly provided the original to FactCheck.org, whose staff said in an August 21 article that they "have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate," and concluded that the document does, in fact, exist, and that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship."
Well, what was posted was a Certificate of Live Birth -- not a Birth Certificate. What is the difference, you say? Well, tune into the upcoming court proceedings and hear how an unsigned document without support of witnesses may not be validated. Also, a Birth Certificate provides positive identification while a Certificate of Live Birth does not. Did you notice that the hospital and attending physician was not on the document? Also, did you see the certificate number had been blacked out so as to be, uh, unverifiable as to official issue. Well, stay tuned, this will be an interesting case. But you have to wonder, why doesn't Obama just provide evidences of being a "natural citizen." Isn't it a darned shame that the legal eagles can't just define that issue away? Darn those undefined Constitutional terms restricted to original, common usage!
Federal Rules of Evidence (2007)
(incorporating revisions that took effect Dec. 1, 2006)Rule 901. Requirement of Authentication or Identification(a) General provision.The requirement of authentication or identification as a condition precedent to admissibility is satisfied by evidence sufficient to support a finding that the matter in question is what its proponent claims.(b) Illustrations.By way of illustration only, and not by way of limitation, the following are examples of authentication or identification conforming with the requirements of this rule:(1) Testimony of witness with knowledge. Testimony that a matter is what it is claimed to be.(2) Nonexpert opinion on handwriting. Nonexpert opinion as to the genuineness of handwriting, based upon familiarity not acquired for purposes of the litigation.(3) Comparison by trier or expert witness. Comparison by the trier of fact or by expert witnesses with specimens which have been authenticated.(4) Distinctive characteristics and the like. Appearance, contents, substance, internal patterns, or other distinctive characteristics, taken in conjunction with circumstances.(5) Voice identification. Identification of a voice, whether heard firsthand or through mechanical or electronic transmission or recording, by opinion based upon hearing the voice at any time under circumstances connecting it with the alleged speaker.(6) Telephone conversations. Telephone conversations, by evidence that a call was made to the number assigned at the time by the telephone company to a particular person or business, if (A) in the case of a person, circumstances, including self-identification, show the person answering to be the one called, or (B) in the case of a business, the call was made to a place of business and the conversation related to business reasonably transacted over the telephone.(7) Public records or reports. Evidence that a writing authorized by law to be recorded or filed and in fact recorded or filed in a public office, or a purported public record, report, statement, or data compilation, in any form, is from the public office where items of this nature are kept.(8) Ancient documents or data compilation. Evidence that a document or data compilation, in any form, (A) is in such condition as to create no suspicion concerning its authenticity, (B) was in a place where it, if authentic, would likely be, and (C) has been in existence 20 years or more at the time it is offered.(9) Process or system. Evidence describing a process or system used to produce a result and showing that the process or system produces an accurate result.(10) Methods provided by statute or rule. Any method of authentication or identification provided by Act of Congress or by other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority.