NY Times' Roberts contradicted his own earlier report on Rosenberg co-defendant
SUMMARY: In The New York Times' Week in Review section, Sam Roberts wrote that in an interview, Morton Sobell, a co-defendant in the Rosenberg spying case, said that "Ethel [Rosenberg], in Mr. Sobell's words, 'knew what he [her husband, Julius Rosenberg] was doing' -- at the very least." But in an earlier Times article, Roberts did not suggest that Sobell left open the possibility that Ethel Rosenberg had a greater role in the case, writing that Sobell said she "was aware of Julius's espionage, but did not actively participate."
In a September 20 New York Times article, reporter Sam Roberts wrote that Morton Sobell, a co-defendant in the Rosenberg spying case, said in a recent interview with The New York Times that "Ethel [Rosenberg], in Mr. Sobell's words, 'knew what he [her husband, Julius Rosenberg] was doing' -- at the very least [emphasis added]." However, Roberts' suggestion that Sobell left open the possibility that Ethel Rosenberg had a greater role in the case than "kn[o]wing what" her husband "was doing" contradicted his previous reporting about what Sobell said about her role. In a September 11 Times article on the interview with Sobell, Roberts wrote that Sobell "concurred in what has become a consensus among historians: that Ethel Rosenberg, who was executed with her husband, was aware of Julius's espionage, but did not actively participate. 'She knew what he was doing,' he [Sobell] said, 'but what was she guilty of? Of being Julius's wife.' " Indeed, on September 12, The New York Times highlighted as its "Quotation of the Day" Sobell's statement that "[s]he knew what he was doing, but what was she guilty of? Of being Julius's wife" -- but then omitted it from Roberts' September 20 article about how Sobell's confession had "rattled seismically" the left's belief in the innocence of the Rosenbergs. Nothing in Roberts' September 11 report -- or September 14 and September 17 articles or September 12 and September 18 Times podcasts mentioning the Sobell interview -- suggested that Sobell said Ethel Rosenberg might have had greater involvement in the case or that she was guilty of any more than "being Julius's wife."
In his September 20 Week in Review article, Roberts wrote: "For more than 50 years, defending Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was an article of faith for most committed American leftists," later adding: "Now, that unshakeable faith has been rattled seismically" with Sobell "admit[ing] in an interview that he and Julius Rosenberg had indeed spied for the Soviet Union." Roberts also quoted historian and Hudson Institute adjunct senior fellow Ronald Radosh stating that "a pillar of the left-wing culture of grievance has been finally shattered." Roberts later wrote:
By Mr. Sobell's account, Julius was guilty of conspiracy to commit espionage (the charge he faced), although non-atomic military secrets he delivered were probably more valuable to the Russians than whatever he might have volunteered about atomic energy. And Ethel, in Mr. Sobell's words, "knew what he was doing" -- at the very least.
However, in his September 11 Times article, Roberts reported that Sobell had described her role as limited:
In the interview with The New York Times, Mr. Sobell, who lives in the Riverdale neighborhood of the Bronx, was asked whether, as an electrical engineer, he turned over military secrets to the Soviets during World War II when they were considered allies of the United States and were bearing the brunt of Nazi brutality. Was he, in fact, a spy?
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, call it that," he replied. "I never thought of it as that in those terms."
Mr. Sobell also concurred in what has become a consensus among historians: that Ethel Rosenberg, who was executed with her husband, was aware of Julius's espionage, but did not actively participate. "She knew what he was doing," he said, "but what was she guilty of? Of being Julius's wife."
Mr. Sobell made his revelations on Thursday as the National Archives, in response to a lawsuit from the nonprofit National Security Archive, historians and journalists, released most of the grand jury testimony in the espionage conspiracy case against him and the Rosenbergs.
Coupled with some of that grand jury testimony, Mr. Sobell's admission bolsters what has become a widely held view among scholars: that Mr. Rosenberg was, indeed, guilty of spying, but that his wife was at most a bit player in the conspiracy and may have been framed by complicit prosecutors.
From Roberts' September 20 New York Times Week in Review article, titled "A Spy Confesses, and Still Some Weep for the Rosenbergs":
You could choose to ignore, or somehow explain away, the Hitler-Stalin pact, or be wedded to the original Port Huron Statement instead of the "compromised second draft," but if you seriously considered yourself fiercely loyal to the far left, you believed that the Rosenbergs were not guilty of espionage. At least you said you did.
For more than 50 years, defending Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was an article of faith for most committed American leftists. That the couple was framed -- by officials intent on stoking anti-Soviet fervor and embarrassed by counterespionage lapses that allowed Russian moles to infiltrate the government -- was at the core of a worldview of Communism, the Korean War and the ensuing cold war, and an enduring cultural divide stoked by McCarthyism.
Now, that unshakeable faith has been rattled seismically. Not for the first time, of course; in the 1990s, secret Soviet cables released by Washington affirmed the spy ring's existence. But this time, the bedrock under that worldview seemed to transmogrify into clay.
The rattler was Morton Sobell, 91, the case's only living defendant. He admitted in an interview that he and Julius Rosenberg had indeed spied for the Soviet Union. His admission prompted the Rosenbergs' sons, Michael and Robert Meeropol -- self-described magnets for global anguish over their parents' execution in 1953 -- to publicly accept, for the first time, that their father committed espionage. Ronald Radosh, co-author of "The Rosenberg File," a comprehensive account of the trial, declared that "a pillar of the left-wing culture of grievance has been finally shattered."
"The Rosenbergs were Soviet spies," he said in an op-ed article in The Los Angeles Times, and "it is time the ranks of the left acknowledge that the United States had (and has) real enemies and that finding and prosecuting them is not evidence of repression."
Well, not quite. Many who took up the execution of the Rosenbergs as a grievance are reluctant to let go of it. Mr. Sobell, in fact, was rebuffed by his own stepdaughter, Sydney Gurewitz Clemens, an author and teacher. She said his confession "complicated history and the personal histories of the many millions of people, all over the world, who gave time, energy, money and heart to the struggle to support his claims of innocence."
By Mr. Sobell's account, Julius was guilty of conspiracy to commit espionage (the charge he faced), although non-atomic military secrets he delivered were probably more valuable to the Russians than whatever he might have volunteered about atomic energy. And Ethel, in Mr. Sobell's words, "knew what he was doing" -- at the very least.
But Mr. Sobell's confession came with plenty of caveats: He claimed to know nothing about atomic espionage; if there was a secret to the atomic bomb, the Soviets already knew it; Ethel was railroaded by the government to leverage a confession from her husband; in Julius's case, prosecutors framed a guilty man; neither deserved to die in the electric chair.
Over the years, it became more difficult to find anyone on the left who would echo Julius and Ethel Rosenberg's last letter to their sons. "Always remember," they wrote, "that we were innocent." With simple innocence seemingly off the table, Mr. Sobell's caveats still keep the case alive.

















This is just another example of why we all need to be so thankful that we have outlets like Media Matters. Still today there are elements in the media that will rewrite and change history to suit the right wing agenda.
Not now , not ever, no revision of history allowed right wing!!!
Thank you MMFA for putting Sam Roberts on notice.
Once again, MMfA opens the doors and shows everyone the inside of MINITRU.
what is MINITRU ?
The Ministry of Truth, a la Orwell's 1984.
"it is time the ranks of the left acknowledge that the United States had (and has) real enemies and that finding and prosecuting them is not evidence of repression."
Who are these "ranks of the left"? The rest of the statement really begs the question: When have ranking members of the right (by this I mean McCarthy, Bush, etc.) ever found or prosecuted the "real enemies"?
McCarthy tied up the government looking for communists in the military and all he found was a sympathizing army dentist. Bush has detained thousands of people with no trial, dragged us into an endless war with a guy who didn't attack us, all while the Taliban continues to become stronger in Afghanistan.
B.S. like that should always be challenged. We should stand up and say, "no more of this". No more questioning our patriotism by trying to make us look like we stand in the way of "getting the terrorists". In fact, anyone who unconditionally stands by Bush or tries to rewrite history sacrificing truth to reflect ideology should have their patriotism questioned.
The Venona transcripts clearly show that Julius Rosenberg had a code name. He was a Soviet spy. He was guilty. Period.
Case closed: The Rosenbergs were Soviet spies (LAT, 9/17/08)
Why is left so hell-bent on trying to dishonestly re-write history on unflattering moments from their past?
--- The Rosenberg were spies.
--- Gov. Casey was banned from speaking because he wanted to deliver a pro-life speech at the 1992 DNC convention. ("The Truth About Gov. Bob Casey and the 1992 DNC Convention")
--- Oreo cookies were passed out to mock Michael Steele at the 2002 Maryland debate. ("Michael Steele Oreo Incident Eyewitness Report")
Yet MM and others on the left are on a dishonest mission to re-write these episodes. Why?
The Rosenberg were spies.
Them was? Really?
Ethel's only offense was being married to Julius.
By the way, you have a code name here on MMfA, also. It's "Uninformed Liar."
<yawn!> Look who's back trying to rewrite history again...
Your other two stories about Casey and Steele are also bald-faced lies, debunked many times.
But facts are never an issue when shoes89 AKA "Uninformed Liar" takes to the keyboard.
I just read your "Oreos" link. Kevin Martin is a well-known liar, and his statement about Oreo cookies "as a means of intimidation" is laugh-out-loud ludicrous.
One lying "eyewitness" does not a truthful observation make.
Easy,
Although the Oreo story is off topic, I'm interested in why you say Kevin Martin is a well known liar? I am not familiar with him. Do you have any examples? Thanks.
Um, I think MMFA's writers documented pretty exhaustively that Casey might have been denied a speech not just because he refused to endorse the Democratic candidate, but also because he wanted to deliver a speech that was only about Casey's pro-life philosophy. So I must admit I haven't even clicked on your link, because when you say "because he wanted to deliver a pro-life speech," you're not really disagreeing with, for instance, what Jamison Foser wrote.
What MMFA has repeatedly pointed out is that the false claim frequently advanced is that Casey was denied a speech "because he was pro-life." Now, please study those two quotations for a moment, because there's a subtle difference, but an important one: 1) "because he was pro-life," and 2) "because he wanted to deliver a pro-life speech." Can you see the difference? It's hard to pick out, but here's a clue: in item one (the falsehood) it's Casey himself who is pro-life, and in item two (the possibly partly correct one) it's because his speech is pro-life. Obviously, if the first item were true, it would be a little more "unflattering" than the second one.
I have to say, as a member of the left, and, I'll even admit, of the Democratic Party, I'm not especially hell-bent on re-writing that moment. Perhaps it might even shock you to read it, but I don't even consider it all that unflattering that my party denied a speech to somebody who wanted to speak only about his stance in opposition to the party platform (and who wouldn't endorse the party's nominee). In fact, I rather think it fairly smart.
Why, after you refused to deduce all this when Jamison Foser made it so abundantly clear, have I bothered to spend so much time writing about it? Well, I'm hoping other people will laugh at how willfully dumb you would have to be to still not understand.
shoes wrote:
>>Gov. Casey was banned from speaking because he wanted to deliver a pro-life speech at the 1992 DNC convention.
Nope
In fact, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, other Democrats who opposed abortion rights spoke at that convention and at every convention since, so Casey's opposition to abortion rights could not have been the sole reason he was not given a speaking role. Additionally, The New Republic's Michael Crowley reported in 1996: "According to those who actually doled out the 1992 convention speaking slots, Casey was denied a turn for one simple reason: his refusal to endorse the Clinton-Gore ticket."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260018?f=s_search
>>Oreo cookies were passed out to mock Michael Steele at the 2002 Maryland debate.
Nope
Sun reporter Andy Green was already doing just that. In a story published the next day, Green quoted several nonpartisan sources who were at the event and who disputed the governor¿s account and that of his spokesman, Paul Schurick, who is quoted in the story as saying, "It was raining Oreos. They were thick in the air like locusts. I was there."
"That's insane," says former Sun reporter Sarah Koenig, who covered Ehrlich in the 2002 campaign, and who says she didn't see any Oreos that night. "The air was not thick with anything except political bullsh*t."
http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=11150
Shoes, you're like the Wile E. Coyote of MMfA. From your own LA Times link;
... a federal court judge in New York released previously sealed grand jury testimony of ...Ruth Greenglass, Julius' sister-in-law. It turns out that a key part of her testimony for the prosecution -- that Ethel had typed up notes for her husband to hand to the Soviets -- was most likely concocted.
That doesn't mean that Ethel was innocent... But what is clear is that in seeking to get the defendants to confess to Soviet espionage, the prosecutors overstepped bounds and enhanced testimony to guarantee a conviction. Americans should have no problem acknowledging when such judicial transgressions take place, and in concluding that the execution of Ethel was a miscarriage of justice.
I won't try to talk you out of supporting the murder of people who you disagree with when that justifies your means, as long as you're consistent and don't pretend to be "Pro-Life".
Of course, that wasn't the topic here, but as long as you're tossing out BS,...
John McCain said today that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were two of Barack Obama's most trusted advisers. ;>)
And when asked for comment, Sarah Palin said that she can see Russia from Alaska. ;>)
Looks like MMFA has taken up the grievance way after the fact - and when a co-defendent said Rosenberg was guilty.
Gee? I wonder why?
I was wondering about this too, anotheramerican, and after careful research, I've concluded that MMFA might be taking up this grievance now because The "New York Times' Roberts contradicted his own earlier report."
Hi Mr. Hebert. I think you're new here, but this is something you should get used to if you plan on posting here in the future.
Several long-time trolls have nothing better to do that try to nit-pick flaws with MMFA's items, based mostly on their own confusion. One of the most common and hilarious tactics is this; Some media outlet reports misinfo. today about some event from years ago, and MMFA reports it. The addle-brained troll then chimes in with criticism of MMFA for dwelling on dated issues.
I know, it seems obvious to you and me, but these are the people who are responsible for Bush's 20(?)% approval rating that you're dealing with. Don't waste too much time trying to have a discussion with these meatheads.
Oh no! Julius Rosenberg might have actually been a spy? But that was a pillar of my faith in my extreme leftist philosophy! Now I might have to reexamine whether I think we should preserve personal freedom, or keep religion out of government, or impose regulations that prevent corporations from screwing up our economy, or our environment, or whether we should refrain from invading foreign countries without really needing to, or...