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Time's Carney falsely suggested Clinton "pin[ned] the blame for the mortgage crisis on Democrats"

October 01, 2008 6:39 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In a blog post, Jay Carney claimed that Sen. John McCain's "campaign has released a 60-second ad that uses Bill Clinton's words to pin the blame for the mortgage crisis on Democrats" without noting that in the interview clipped in the ad, Clinton actually said that "the biggest mistake" was the SEC's repealing of a regulation on short selling, when President Bush was in office.

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In a September 30 post on Time.com's Swampland blog, Washington bureau chief Jay Carney claimed that Sen. John McCain's "campaign has released a 60-second ad that uses [President] Bill Clinton's words to pin the blame for the mortgage crisis on Democrats" without noting that in the interview clipped in the ad, Clinton actually said that "the biggest mistake" was the action taken by the federal Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) while President Bush was in office to repeal a regulation on certain stock-market trades. Carney also reported: "The link to [Sen. Barack] Obama is tenuous -- and nowhere does the ad acknowledge the fact that Fannie [Mae] and Freddie [Mac] were not the primary causes of the broader crisis -- but it could undercut Democratic arguments that Bush and the Republicans are primarily responsible."

In the ad, the narrator stated that "Bill Clinton knows who was responsible" for the mortgage crisis. The ad then showed a clip of a September 25 interview on ABC's Good Morning America in which Clinton said, "I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." The ad narrator then stated, "You're right, Mr. President. It didn't have to happen."

However, Carney did not note that in the same interview, Clinton stated: "I think the biggest mistake, by the way, that contributed to the current circumstance that almost nobody talks about, is the repeal after decades of something called the uptick rule, which allowed the hedge funds, heavily leveraged, and others to just drive down the market without any kind of automatic stoppers." In a separate interview aired that day with Matt Lauer, co-host of NBC's Today, Clinton stated of the financial situation: "[T]his thing really took off when the SEC, under this administration, exercised less oversight and they got rid of something called the uptick rule, which enabled betting down on housing stocks to go crazy."

The uptick rule, which was created in 1938, was a securities trading rule that regulated market short selling, the act of selling a stock that an investor does not own (but borrows from a broker or someone else) in anticipation that the stock's price will decrease.

After a June 13, 2007, decision that became effective July 3, 2007, the SEC issued a final rule that repealed Rule 10a-1, the uptick rule, which the SEC had previously suspended as part of a pilot program. From the SEC release discussing the rule change:

The Commission adopted Rule 10a-1 in 1938 after several years of considering the effects of short selling in a declining market. Rule 10a-1 provides that, subject to certain exceptions, a security may be sold short (A) at a price above the price at which the immediately preceding sale was effected (plus tick), or (B) at the last sale price if it is higher that the last different price (zero-plus tick). Short sales are not permitted on minus ticks or zero-minus ticks, subject to narrow exceptions. The operation of these provisions is commonly described as the "tick test." The tick test applies only to listed securities, other than Nasdaq-listed securities, traded on an exchange, or otherwise.

In the "Supplementary Information" included with the final rule, the SEC stated:

The core provisions of Rule 10a-1 have remained virtually unchanged since its adoption almost 70 years ago. Over the years, however, in response to changes in the securities markets, including changes in trading strategies and systems used in the marketplace, the Commission has added exceptions to Rule 10a-1 and granted numerous written requests for relief from the rule's restrictions. These requests for exemptive relief have increased dramatically in recent years in response to significant developments in the securities markets, such as the increased use of matching systems that execute trades at independently derived prices during random times within specific time intervals and the spread of fully automated markets. Also, decimal pricing increments have substantially reduced the difficulty of short selling on an uptick. In addition, under current price test regulation, different price tests apply to different securities trading in different markets and apply generally only to large or more actively-traded securities. [footnotes omitted]

The SEC also stated that it had previously suspended the uptick rule for certain stocks as part of a pilot program in an order that took effect in 2005. That pilot program was extended and remained in effect at the time the SEC adopted the final rule.

From Carney's blog post, which included video of McCain's ad:

The McCain campaign has released a 60-second ad that uses Bill Clinton's words to pin the blame for the mortgage crisis on Democrats. The link to Obama is tenuous -- and nowhere does the ad acknowledge the fact that Fannie and Freddie were not the primary causes of the broader crisis -- but it could undercut Democratic arguments that Bush and the Republicans are primarily responsible. One imagines this is not the kind of help the Obama campaign was hoping to get from the former president.

From the September 25 broadcast of ABC's Good Morning America:

CUOMO: A little surprising to you to hear the Democrats saying, "This came out of nowhere. This is all about the Republicans. We had nothing to do with this." Nancy Pelosi saying it. She signed the '99 Gramm bill. She knew what was going on with the SEC. They're all sophisticated people. Is that playing politics in this situation?

CLINTON: Well, maybe everybody does that a little bit. I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [break] I think the biggest mistake, by the way, that contributed to the current circumstance that almost nobody talks about, is the repeal after decades of something called the uptick rule --

CUOMO: Mm-hmm.

CLINTON: -- which allowed the hedge funds, heavily leveraged, and others to just drive down the market without any kind of automatic stoppers. But we are where we are. I think the most important thing is that you got two candidates for president saying, "Let's try to minimize the partisan differences. We'll have plenty of time later to look at who caused this and what mistakes were made. Let's figure out what to do now and go forward."

From the September 25 broadcast of NBC's Today:

LAUER: The president said we have time to debate the origins of this crisis, but last night in his speech to the nation, he also said the roots go back more than a decade. You can do the math there, what he was suggesting. He's suggesting the roots that are with your administration. How do you respond to that?

CLINTON: Well, I think he's suggesting that when we -- I signed a bill that the banking industry wanted that let them get into securities issuance. There are some people who believe that that bill enabled them to somehow participate in some of the riskier housing investments. I disagree with that. That bill primarily enabled them to -- like the Bank of America, to buy Merrill Lynch here without a hitch. And I think that helped to stabilize the situation.

I think the main thing that you could blame the Democrats for, maybe, is that we should have made more of the problems of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and maybe the -- and tried more aggressively to regulate derivatives. But this thing really took off when the SEC, under this administration, exercised less oversight and they got rid of something called the uptick rule, which enabled betting down --

LAUER: Right.

CLINTON: -- on housing stocks to go crazy.

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    • Author by Sueelldd (October 01, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
         
      Right, still Clintons fault. Got it.
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      • Author by pointofview (October 01, 2008 6:51 pm ET)
           

        No, what Clinton said was that the dems SHARE some of the blame for this.  Many posters here, the COL included, claim that the dems share almost no blame.  He is of course wrong as he usually is.  Clinton is correct, the Dems did fail to control FM and FM, and they share some of the blame.  Just as he said. 

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        • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2008 7:44 pm ET)
             

          No, many posters here say republicans and greedy mortgage lenders share most of the blame. That no doc loans had a lot of causality while the CDL loans the republicans point to had little causality. Vs. many of our right wing conservative posters here (see POV) who blame minorities and illegal aliens and solely democrats for this mess.

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          • Author by pointofview (October 01, 2008 8:31 pm ET)
               

            You are truly an idiot.  i have never blamed minorities and illegal aliens for anything on any posts here.  Ever.  You are so used to playing the race card against conservatives, you will do it at any chance.  Facts or not. 

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            • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2008 9:13 pm ET)
                 

              Ever? No, you are so used to claiming you aren't a racist you have knee jerk reactions to the "race card" you like to claim I toss around like loaded dice. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this entire campaign has been reduced to racism by republicans, but then again only a republican begins every criticism with "I ain't a racist, but..."

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              • Author by pointofview (October 01, 2008 10:09 pm ET)
                   

                Ok, so let me understand your twisted logic.  First, you say I went after minorities and illegial immigrants.  I tell you I never did...never.  You then respond by challenging that, but you can provide no evidence at all.  You then say a National campaign for president has been reduced to racism, which then somehow proves that I as an individual am guilty.  Finally, and this is my favorite, because you accuse me of being racist, and I say I am not....I must be, because other people say they are not racist when they are. 

                That is by far the worst thing I have ever seen you post here.  You make no sense, provide no logic, and no facts.  You have reduced an entire party to being nothing more than racists, and all because a Democrat, Bill Clinton, said the dems share some blame in this current crisis.  I never truly understood how partisan, petty, and dumb you really can be until now.   

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                • Author by snoopy (October 02, 2008 12:38 am ET)
                     

                  Actually, if you want to get facts straight, your first "point" was that many posters here, the Col. included, claim that dems share almost no blame. then you took my response to your partisan claim and boiled it down to a "direct" attack against you (even though you started it by attacking posters here and then elevated it by calling me an idiot). Then you accused me of playing the "race" card whenever I get the chance because anything I post that you would consider "the race card" are articles of republicans saying some of the most racist things you can imagine (as if pointing out the obvious about republicans is somehow a crime) and then get all huffy indignant because in the end, I treated you from the beginning with the exact same contempt you treated posters here in general, and then me, with the same contempt that you brought to the table in the first place. What a whiney little baby you are, just like all those poor little elected officials who got so angry because mean ol nancy pelosi hurt their feelings.

                  If you want to keep dishing it out, learn how to take it.

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                  • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2008 6:23 am ET)
                       

                    So in other words, when confronted with the total crap you post, you back none of it up and resort to finger pointing.  You are a joke. 

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                    • Author by snoopy (October 02, 2008 11:27 am ET)
                         

                      now, point that at yourself and you'll be right for once. Let me know when you can move beyond baseless accusations, K?

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                      • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2008 12:37 pm ET)
                           

                        As always, I still wait for you to directly challenge any of the points I make.  The wait goes on.

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                        • Author by snoopy (October 02, 2008 12:57 pm ET)
                             

                          What points? You mean those sweeping generalizations you made with no supporting information to back it up? Still waiting...

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 02, 2008 1:24 am ET)
             

          Hey, Pointy, did you just look for somebody who wasn't posting today and try to sneak in some BS?

          Hey, Oscar, I know there's enough blame to go around, I was venting a little over the "little picture" view I've been seeing in the media...(Me)Tuesday September 30, 2008 1:52:51 AM EDT /

          There,I've pointed out another lie by you. It's OK. tomorrow you'll have some fresh lies, and as long as one or two squeak by, you'll thing you're credible. 

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    • Author by tommy (October 01, 2008 6:49 pm ET)
         

      Carney is absolutely right on. No misinformation, only the facts, as stated by Bill Clinton.

      "The McCain campaign has released a 60-second ad that uses Bill Clinton's words to pin the blame for the mortgage crisis on Democrats. The link to Obama is tenuous -- and nowhere does the ad acknowledge the fact that Fannie and Freddie were not the primary causes of the broader crisis -- but it could undercut Democratic arguments that Bush and the Republicans are primarily responsible. One imagines this is not the kind of help the Obama campaign was hoping to get from the former president"

      Sorry MMFA, swing and a miss on this one. 

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    • Author by Marker (October 01, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
         
      MM hits a grandslam on the misinformation. This whole mess is the fault of the repuglicans going back to Raygun. Repugs are poor when it comes to finances.
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      • Author by pointofview (October 01, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
           

        So MM is right and Clinton is wrong?  What a Jokeeee.  So now, even when a Dem ex President says the dems have blame, that to is conservative miss-info?Lol....you guys are amazing.

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        • Author by peebs755 (October 01, 2008 7:56 pm ET)
             

          No, the point of this thread is that the McCain campaign took what Clinton said out of context by clipping the ad. You righties seem not to be able to grasp that simple fact.

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    • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2008 8:16 pm ET)
         

      I'm sure y'all are well aware now that this bailout is gonna require a cutback in any candidates plans for the next 4 years. There will also be tax increases, but most importantly we'll face some very difficult budget cuts. I just got advanced word on McCain's budget cuts should he win:

      Obama Pictures and McCain Pictures

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    • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2008 6:21 am ET)
         

      Col

      Not at all.  Was refering to that poot attempt at humor you created when you gave all of about 9 % of the blame to the Dems. 

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      • Author by worrierking (October 02, 2008 8:15 am ET)
           

        The Colonel said that the Democratic party shared some of the blame for this crisis.

        You don't seem to have a problem with the statement, only with the actuarial figures. 

        How would you apportion the blame. Please break it down for us.

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        • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2008 9:33 am ET)
             

          Fair enough.

          In my view, it is very easy to say that this is a problem where blame can be divided right down the middle.  The heart of the current problem is nothing new, and has been repeated historically many times.  Some of the circumstances have changed of course, but the fundamental problems are the same.

          The current problems began under Clinton and manifest themselves under Bush.  While the Dems always  cry for more regulation and the conservatives less, both have been in leadership roles, both in Congress and the White House, and both sides failed to act.  All you have to do is look at the massive contributions made to leaders in both parties to see that no one….no one was truly looking out for the average American.  Looking at the credit industry, insurance, banking, and the home lending agencies, the goal has always been to inflate profits and provide a false boost to the economy. 

          The dems fought to change the ways banks look at credit and equity, and forced institutions to make loans that were high risk at best.  The conservatives let it happen because it boosted the numbers of home owners and they could take credit for that.  Everyone knew the housing bubble could not last.  It was insane to believe that 10, 20, 30 percent annual increases in home prices could be maintained, but they all let it go on.  No one with any common sense would allow themselves to believe that low income home owners could afford ARM loans when the time came due.  The only way that has any chance of working in the short term is through artificial increases in home values that then allow the loan to be re-written, using the artificially high value of the home as a basis.  It was a vicious circle everyone knew would end at some point.

          There was no champion here among the dems.  They are equally guilty, along with the conservatives, of allowing this to happen.  On a societal perspective, individuals are equally responsible.  This idea of predatory loans is a joke.  How some one making $40,000 a year can convince themselves they can afford a $500,000 home and an $50,000 car is beyond belief.  The same greed and reckless behavior showed by Both political parties was accepted and  encouraged by a public lacking the self control to say no to easy credit and risky financial moves that risked their entire future for a short term gain.  

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    • Author by shaggles (October 02, 2008 11:56 am ET)
         
      It's easy to parse what you want to hear out of what Clinton said. It's funny that when Clinton appears to say something the right likes he's an unquestionable authority but for the past 16+ years they've painted him as the biggest liar in the world. Doesn't seem like this ad is going to help much.
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      • Author by pointofview (October 02, 2008 12:35 pm ET)
           

        I am not commenting on the new add.  I have not seen it.  I am only commenting directly on what Clinton SAID.  There is no doubt about his actual words.  The other side of the coin you are talking about is the fact the those on left defend anything and everything Clinton, until he says something they dont like.  Then the perspective changes. 

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