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O'Reilly called Media Matters' Brock a "liar," but the falsehood was O'Reilly's

October 11, 2008 5:52 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Fox News' Bill O'Reilly purported to defend his previous false assertion that Sen. Barack Obama did not cast a vote on a Senate amendment denouncing both a MoveOn.org ad that targeted Gen. David Petraeus and "Swift Boat" attacks on Sen. John Kerry by claiming he was referring to an amendment "sponsored by John Cornyn that also condemned MoveOn," which Obama did not vote on. But O'Reilly explicitly said in his previous remarks that the amendment Obama did not vote on was one that condemned both the MoveOn Petraeus ad and "the Swift Boating of Kerry." The Cornyn amendment did not condemn the Swift Boat attacks; an amendment by Sen. Barbara Boxer, which Obama voted for, did.

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On the October 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly purported to defend his false October 8 assertion -- documented by Media Matters for America -- that Sen. Barack Obama did not cast a vote on a Senate amendment denouncing both an ad by MoveOn.org that targeted Gen. David Petraeus and "Swift Boat" attacks on Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). O'Reilly claimed that in his October 8 remarks, he was not referring to an amendment sponsored by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), which Obama voted for, but rather to an amendment "sponsored by [Sen.] John Cornyn [R-TX] that also condemned MoveOn," which Obama did not vote on. But on October 8, O'Reilly explicitly said that the amendment Obama did not vote on was one that condemned both the MoveOn Petraeus ad and "the Swift Boating of Kerry." While both amendments condemned the MoveOn Petraeus ad, the Cornyn amendment did not condemn the Swift Boat attacks, while the Boxer amendment -- which, again, Obama voted for -- did.

On the October 10 broadcast, responding to the Media Matters item noting his October 8 falsehood, O'Reilly said: "[Media Matters for America CEO David] Brock tells his Kool-Aid drinking audience that Barack did vote for an amendment sponsored by Barbara Boxer that denounced MoveOn and attacks on John Kerry. What Brock does not tell his Kool-Aid drinking audience is that Obama refused to vote on another Senate amendment, this one sponsored by John Cornyn that also condemned MoveOn. That was the vote I was referring to." He continued: "Now, I should have pointed out there were two amendments. Obama did vote for the Boxer amendment, but he did not vote on the Cornyn amendment. So that's my fault. I should have been clearer on that, but I am not a liar, and Brock is, in addition to being a pinhead."

But during his October 8 radio show, O'Reilly said: "You know, we did some research into [Obama's] vote on MoveOn. MoveOn ran the Petraeus ad. They had a vote in the Senate condemning that action, along with -- and I did not know this -- condemning the Swift Boating of Kerry." O'Reilly then said, "It was in the same amendment -- same amendment -- that, you know, when you challenge someone's patriotism, that is wrong. Obama did not vote."

However, of the two measures, only the Boxer amendment condemned both "the Petraeus ad" and the "Swift Boating of Kerry." As Media Matters has documented, Obama did, in fact, vote for the Boxer amendment condemning the Petraeus ad, as well as other attacks on past and present members of the military, including Kerry. From the Boxer amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008:

(4) In 2004, a Senator from Massachusetts who is a Vietnam veteran and the recipient of a Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three Purple Hearts, was personally attacked and accused of dishonoring his country.

(5) This attack was aptly described by a Senator and Vietnam veteran as ''dishonest and dishonorable.''

(6) On September 10, 2007, an advertisement in the New York Times was an unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus; who is honorably leading our Armed Forces in Iraq and carrying out the mission assigned to him by the President of the United States.

In contrast to the Boxer amendment, Cornyn's amendment makes no reference to Kerry or the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The Cornyn amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 in full:

At the end of subtitle E of title X, add the following:

SEC. 1070. SENSE OF SENATE ON GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS.

(a) FINDINGS. -- The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) The Senate unanimously confirmed General David H. Petraeus as Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, by a vote of 81-0 on January 26, 2007.

(2) General Petraeus graduated first in his class at the United States Army Command and General Staff College.

(3) General Petraeus earned Masters of Public Administration and Doctoral degrees in international relations from Princeton University.

(4) General Petraeus has served multiple combat tours in Iraq, including command of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) during combat operations throughout the first year of Operation Iraqi Freedom, which tours included both major combat operations and subsequent stability and support operations.

(5) General Petraeus supervised the development and crafting of the United States Army and Marine Corps counterinsurgency manual based in large measure on his combat experience in Iraq, scholarly study, and other professional experiences.

(6) General Petraeus has taken a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

(7) During his 35-year career, General Petraeus has amassed a distinguished and unvarnished record of military service to the United States as recognized by his receipt of a Defense Distinguished Service Medal, two Distinguished Service Medals, two Defense Superior Service Medals, four Legions of Merit, the Bronze Star Medal for valor, the State Department Superior Honor Award, the NATO Meritorious Service Medal, and other awards and medals.

(8) A recent attack through a full-page advertisement in the New York Times by the liberal activist group, Moveon.org, impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces.

(b) SENSE OF THE SENATE. -- It is the sense of the Senate --

(1) to reaffirm its support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, including General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq;

(2) to strongly condemn any effort to attack the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces; and

(3) to specifically repudiate the unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus by the liberal activist group Moveon.org.

From the October 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Time now for "Pinheads and Patriots." Unfortunately, we don't have a patriot tonight because we have two pinheads. First, the liars at Media Matters are at it again. This man, David Brock puts out daily deceit on the Internet, and the latest is this quote: "O'Reilly falsely claimed Obama did not vote to condemn attacks on Petraeus and Kerry," unquote. Brock tells his Kool-Aid drinking audience that Barack did vote for an amendment sponsored by Barbara Boxer that denounced MoveOn and attacks on John Kerry.

What Brock does not tell his Kool-Aid drinking audience is that Obama refused to vote on another Senate amendment, this one sponsored by John Cornyn that also condemned MoveOn. That was the vote I was referring to, and Brock knew it, but Brock is a weasel and a liar, and he always does this.

Now, I should have pointed out there were two amendments. Obama did vote for the Boxer amendment, but he did not vote on the Cornyn amendment. So that's my fault. I should have been clearer on that, but I am not a liar, and Brock is, in addition to being a pinhead.

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    • Author by pete592 (October 11, 2008 6:04 pm ET)
         

      "Now, I should have pointed out there were two amendments. Obama did vote for the Boxer amendment, but he did not vote on the Cornyn amendment."

      ...but that would have undermined my entire premise had I mentioned it at the time, so I didn't.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (October 11, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
         
      Pinheads, Bill, you're abusing that poor word.
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    • Author by mefirst (October 11, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
         

      o'reilly was not called a liar, it was said he "falsely claimed" something.  which could be just a mistake, so he did get the benefit of the doubt the first time.  he is lying when he says brock is lying.

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      • Author by mary59 (October 11, 2008 7:03 pm ET)
           

        so Bill could have been O'falsely claiming at first, but now he's definitely O'lielly.

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      • Author by mefirst (October 12, 2008 4:34 pm ET)
           

        here's another laugher from o'reilly's print column.  "before the 9-11 attacks, few americans had ever heard of al-qaida, even though presidents clinton and bush certainly knew of the growing danger the group posed".   bush was his usual oblivious self when it came to bin laden, telling bob woodward that he was "not on point" about bin laden, pre 9-11.

        something that got little coverage was last week's 60 minutes interview, see link, with the leader of the american forces that attempted to capture bin laden at tora bora, just after the initial invasion of afghanistan in late 2001.  the story of tora bora is nothing new, but this just confirmed that road blocks were put in the way of capturing him, by this administration.  the biggest road block being that they outsourced the job to afghan warlords and in effect gave the afghans veto power over operations.   had we sent in american troops, we likely could have captured or killed him.   

        http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/02/60minutes/main4494937.shtml

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    • Author by MidnightWriter (October 11, 2008 7:03 pm ET)
         

      No Bill, you're no liar.  But once again you've proven you are a colossal ignoramus.

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      • Author by stevensm (October 12, 2008 11:55 pm ET)
           

        Bingo! O'Reilly was out to make Obama look bad and he resorted to lying to do so. O'Reilly should have awarded himself the pinhead reward because he was NOT talking about the Coryn. If he were and had done his research like he claims he does, he'd know the Cornyn one did not have the Kerry matter in it.

        And since O'Reilly is so keen to try and report on what things Obama didn't place a vote on, why doesn't he tell the folks about McCain's skipping out on the new GI bill vote? The GI bill that he AND BUSH opposed? O'Reilly goes after Obama with a lie and ignores the lousy things McCain does.

        Oh but keep in mind that O'Reilly isn't rooting for anyone in this election. Puh-leeeeez!

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    • Author by juliajayne (October 11, 2008 8:38 pm ET)
         
      O'Reilly better stop talking smack about David Brock or I'm gonna have to bust him up. Seriously.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (October 11, 2008 9:55 pm ET)
           

        Brock needs JJ to fight his battles????

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        • Author by juliajayne (October 11, 2008 10:44 pm ET)
             

          Oscar, no. He doesn't need me to fight any battles, but if it wasn't for him, I'd have never met my BF Jeter2 :-0) 

          Or any of you fine folks.

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          • Author by oscar the grouch (October 11, 2008 10:58 pm ET)
               

            And I'm sure JJ don't need no Brock to fight her battles!  Have a great balance of the weekend.

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          • Author by jeter2 (October 12, 2008 8:16 am ET)
               

            but if it wasn't for him, I'd have never met my BF Jeter2 :-0) 

            And Miz Julia without him,  I would never have found you either, the best GF a guy could ever have :-)

            I have sometimes knocked Mr. Brock in the past. Asked WITH? Thought the fixation with Olbermann's WPITW awards were a tad silly. But I do appreciate Mr. Brock & his entire staffs fine work. They honestly & diligently seek out Con Mis-Information & expose it for all to see. I've certainly had my eyes opened on numerous occasions.

            O'Reilly is just smarting over the fact that Brock has highlighted his many lies, & blunders. Billy-Boy is taking this personally & lashing out at Brock like the thin skinned bully he is.

            Mr. Brock, I'm still not crazy about this new format, but your work continues to be excellent. And I've gotten to meet not just my Miz Julia, but a lot of posters here who I respect & enjoy debating or good naturally bantering with about politics. And I've enjoyed the laughs too guys, thanks. And thank you David Brock.

            O'Reilly, you're an ass.

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            • Author by juliajayne (October 12, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
                 

              You make me feel so young
              You make me feel there are songs to be sung
              Bells to be rung, and a wonderful fling to be flung

              Happy Birthday, old dude!!!!!


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      • Author by carlileb5935 (October 11, 2008 10:18 pm ET)
           

        I love the old dreamy picture that BOR has up there of Brock. I'm wondering what message he's trying to-- eh-- convey.

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    • Author by onionhead (October 11, 2008 8:52 pm ET)
         

      "Brock tells his Kool-Aid drinking audience that Barack did vote for an amendment sponsored by Barbara Boxer that denounced MoveOn and attacks on John Kerry."

      More Kool-Aid, anyone?

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    • Author by magnolialover (October 11, 2008 9:15 pm ET)
         

      Bill, this is really easy. If you wanted to talk about the Coryn amendment (which by the way didn't have anything to do with MoveOn, Kerry, or any of that other stuff), you should have just SAID that. MMFA, as others have pointed out, gave you the benefit of the doubt, by not outright calling you a liar, they stated, falsely claimed, meaning, you claimed, falsely, that Obama didn't vote to condemn said groups.

      Now Bill, I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, and you know, actual facts, and I leave you with this question. How was Brock supposed to know what you were talking about when you weren't being specific. But of course, not mentioning the facts, totally destroyed your entire argument about dissing Obama in the first place, and hence why you didn't mention it in the first place.

      Bill, if there ever was a pinhead, it would be you. 

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      • Author by ukobserver (October 11, 2008 9:44 pm ET)
           

        I know this is off topic but l have to post this to you guys on this site. This is from the blog of a British journalist called Melanie Philips who has the worst case of SBMS (Scary Black Man Syndrome) l have ever seen about Obama.

        One of the posts said "Would anyone recognize an adolf hitler rising to power if it rose this time from the LEFT?
        Open your eyes!"

        To which one of the replies was

        "Would anyone recognize an adolf hitler rising to power if it rose this time from the LEFT?"

        "Adolf Hitler was from the left! Fascism, communism, they're all leftists. People on the right are less inclined to try to order the lives of others according to their personal philosophy or ambitions."

        That had to be one of the funniest and dumbest posts l have ever seen on a blog, and l am including sports blogs on that list!!!

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        • Author by roundhouse (October 11, 2008 10:43 pm ET)
             

          It is very funny.

          I guess when they try to tell us life begins at conception they're not trying to organize our lives according to their beliefs. When they tell us marriage is between a man and a woman only, they are not trying to organize the lives of Americans according to any rigid philosophy. 

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    • Author by roundhouse (October 11, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
         

      I think the whole Boxer amendment was a stupid idea and I'm sorry Obama voted to censure free speech. When did we Democrats become such sissies, that we are so easily cowed by a group of Republican thug bastards who, have done little more than weaken our national security by breaking our military and solidifying the strength of terrorist networks with their treasonous support of endless occupation?

      I mean really people. Petraeus lied to us and if you'll recall nobody on the right or left refuted the well sourced body of MoveOn's ad. All they could do was screech that to insult the political quackery of  Petraeus was tantamount to troop bashing. My ass.

      Go soak your (pin)head O'Reilly.


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      • Author by juliajayne (October 11, 2008 10:49 pm ET)
           

        Well stated RH. And I agree. I'm disappointed in the Democrats too. Sissies is too kind a word.

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        • Author by roundhouse (October 11, 2008 11:09 pm ET)
             

          Thanks, JJ. For the record my first choice of language was filtered. >:-(

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          • Author by juliajayne (October 12, 2008 12:09 am ET)
               

            I can only imagine what that language was, Ha! I might be able to guess without too much imagination needed.  

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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (October 12, 2008 12:54 am ET)
                 

              Billy proves once again...

              Look in the mirror Billy, the pinhead is you!! 

              I know, it's hard to accept.  It's much easier to  take cheap shots at Brock, but that's what cowards do.  That's what Murdoch puss n' boots do, isn't it?

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    • Author by steeve (October 12, 2008 12:54 am ET)
         

      Slow day for pinheads.

      Pinhead #1:  some guy commenting on a minor technicality regarding an impotent and outdated Senate measure.

      Who's #2?  Maybe the mail carrier was 5 minutes late.

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    • Author by JLyons (October 12, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
         
      Sad thing is i am running out of energy when it comes to keeping up on oreillys lies
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    • Author by MickD (October 13, 2008 8:33 am ET)
         

      I always wonder if MMFA gets extra visits from some curiosity seeking Billo "fans." (but not many people over 70 can use the internet tubes). Anyway it would be interesting to guage their reaction to a reasonable, well laid out website. Again, B'OR does himself no favors by opening this debate.

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    • Author by pklute63 (October 13, 2008 9:06 am ET)
         

      Billy just hates it when people use his own words against him...that's why he works for Fix Noise...he knows he can distort all he wants there and NONE of HIS kool-aid drinking sheep will ever question what he says!

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 13, 2008 9:47 am ET)
           

        BO's problem is that he lies so often that he's lost track of his own lies......

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    • Author by right-winger (October 13, 2008 9:54 am ET)
         

      I SEE THE PRINT MEDIA, MSNBC, NBC, ABC,CNN, CBS, FOX NEWS, RADIO TALK SHOWS, AND THE RNC GOT THE MEMO FOR THE ROVE AND MCCAIN CAMP THAT THE HATE, AND RACIST ATTACKS ARE NOT WORKING SO LET'S GET OFF THAT SUBJECT AND HOPE FOR A OCTOBER SURPRISE OR THOSE DEMS AND INDEPENDENTS WHO CAN'T GET PAST OBAMA RACE WILL VOTE FOR US ANYWAY.

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 13, 2008 11:42 am ET)
           

        And I see that you still have not mastered the fine art of using the shift key......

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        • Author by right-winger (October 13, 2008 12:51 pm ET)
             

          HEY WZWRITER THE TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT!!!! I SEE YOUR BOY RUSH GOT THE MEMO FROM ROVE AND THE MCCAIN CAMP. THE RACIST AND HATE ATTACKS ARE NOT HELPING OUR BOY MCCAIN SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY. I HAD THE RADIO ON ALL THE RIGHT-WING STATIONS TODAY AND NOW ALL THEY WHAT TOO TALK ABOUT HIS THE ECONOMY. CAN'T WAITE TO HEAR HANNITY, I BET HE GOT THE MEMO TOO.

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          • Author by wzwriter (October 13, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
               

            You wouldn't know the truth of you stubbled over it in a drunken stupor, right-winger.  The cold, hard truth is that you side has NO IDEAS, NO PLAN, and LITTLE CHANCE OF WINNING.  Their scare tactics have rpoven to be a dismal flop, and their change of message today amounts to little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

            At this point, it looks like NOTHING can help your boy Gramps McCain.

            (BTW, putting everything in capitals does not makew you look smart.  Nor do all the typos.  Admitedly, I make typos myself - I'm disabled after a car wreck did permanent nerve damage to both my arms.  But I know enough not to put an "E" at the end of the word "wait"......

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    • Author by right-winger (October 13, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
         

      HEY WZWRITER HANNITY IS TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY TOO!!! YOU RIGHT-WINGERS JUST KNEW YOU HAD A NEW TALKING POINT WITH THE LEWIS STATEMENT YESTERDAY BUT THAT BLEW UP IN YOUR FACE TOO. I LOVE WATCHING MCCAIN AND PALIN TODAY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY. ROVE TOLD MCCAIN AND PALIN HEY GUYS THE COLD HARD TRUTH IS THAT OUR SIDE HAS NO IDEAS, NO PLAN ON THE ECONOMY AND A GOOD CHANCE IF THOSE DEMS AND INDEPENDENTS WHO CAN'T GET PAST OBAMA COLOR WE WILL WIN. OUR SCARE TACTICS HAVE PROVEN A DISMAL FLOP, AND OUR CHANGE OF MESSAGE TODAY AMOUNTS  TO LITTLE MORE THEN REARRANGING THE DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC.

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 13, 2008 4:42 pm ET)
           

        I think right-winger has officially lost it.  Now he's mixing my words in with his jibberish and making no sense whatsoever.....

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    • Author by DanEng25 (October 13, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
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      So Brock is a liar for pointing out that O'reilly didn't tell the thruth? O'reilly admitted that and Brock is still a liar? I just got a headache!

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 14, 2008 8:56 am ET)
           

        So Brock is a liar for pointing out that O'reilly didn't tell the thruth? O'reilly admitted that and Brock is still a liar? I just got a headache!

        That's how it is in "Right-Wing Fantasyland".  Down is up, up is down, lies are the truth, and the truth is all lies.

        Be sure to buy your "Pay One Price" ticket so you can drink the kool-aid all day....

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