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CNN's Bennett asked of Lewis' statement about McCain campaign, "Why didn't Obama say it was wrong?" -- but Obama did

October 16, 2008 12:44 am ET

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SUMMARY: During postdebate coverage, Bill Bennett asked, "Why didn't [Sen. Barack] Obama say it was wrong?" -- referring to a statement by Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) that invoked George Wallace. In fact, during the debate, Obama said of Lewis' statement, "I do think that he inappropriately drew a comparison between what was happening there and what had happened during the civil rights movement, and we immediately put out a statement saying that we don't think that comparison is appropriate."

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During CNN's October 15 postdebate coverage, CNN contributor Bill Bennett asked, "Why didn't [Sen. Barack] Obama say it was wrong?" -- referring to an October 11 statement by Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) that invoked George Wallace, the segregationist former governor of Alabama, in criticizing "the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign." In fact, during the debate, Obama said of Lewis' statement, "I do think that he inappropriately drew a comparison between what was happening there and what had happened during the civil rights movement, and we immediately put out a statement saying that we don't think that comparison is appropriate."

Indeed, in an October 11 statement, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said:

Senator Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies. But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States "pals around with terrorists." As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together. That is the kind of campaign Senator Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead.

From the CNN debate transcript:

Schieffer: Sen. Obama, your campaign has used words like "erratic," "out of touch," "lie," "angry," "losing his bearings" to describe Sen. McCain.

Sen. McCain, your commercials have included words like "disrespectful," "dangerous," "dishonorable," "he lied." Your running mate said he "palled around with terrorists."

Are each of you tonight willing to sit at this table and say to each other's face what your campaigns and the people in your campaigns have said about each other?

And, Sen. McCain, you're first.

McCain: Well, this has been a tough campaign. It's been a very tough campaign. And I know from my experience in many campaigns that, if Sen. Obama had asked -- responded to my urgent request to sit down, and do town hall meetings, and come before the American people, we could have done at least 10 of them by now.

When Sen. Obama was first asked, he said, "Any place, any time," the way Barry Goldwater and Jack Kennedy agreed to do, before the intervention of the tragedy at Dallas. So I think the tone of this campaign could have been very different.

And the fact is, it's gotten pretty tough. And I regret some of the negative aspects of both campaigns. But the fact is that it has taken many turns which I think are unacceptable.

One of them happened just the other day, when a man I admire and respect -- I've written about him -- Congressman John Lewis, an American hero, made allegations that Sarah Palin and I were somehow associated with the worst chapter in American history, segregation, deaths of children in church bombings, George Wallace. That, to me, was so hurtful.

And, Sen. Obama, you didn't repudiate those remarks. Every time there's been an out-of-bounds remark made by a Republican, no matter where they are, I have repudiated them. I hope that Sen. Obama will repudiate those remarks that were made by Congressman John Lewis, very unfair and totally inappropriate.

So I want to tell you, we will run a truthful campaign. This is a tough campaign. And it's a matter of fact that Sen. Obama has spent more money on negative ads than any political campaign in history. And I can prove it.

And, Sen. Obama, when he said -- and he signed a piece of paper that said he would take public financing for his campaign if I did -- that was back when he was a long-shot candidate -- you didn't keep your word.

And when you looked into the camera in a debate with Sen. Clinton and said, "I will sit down and negotiate with John McCain about public financing before I make a decision," you didn't tell the American people the truth because you didn't.

And that's -- that's -- that's an unfortunate part. Now we have the highest spending by Sen. Obama's campaign than any time since Watergate.

Schieffer: Time's up. All right.

Obama: Well, look, you know, I think that we expect presidential campaigns to be tough. I think that, if you look at the record and the impressions of the American people -- Bob, your network just did a poll, showing that two-thirds of the American people think that Sen. McCain is running a negative campaign versus one-third of mine.

And 100 percent, John, of your ads -- 100 percent of them have been negative.

McCain: It's not true.

Obama: It absolutely is true. And, now, I think the American people are less interested in our hurt feelings during the course of the campaign than addressing the issues that matter to them so deeply.

And there is nothing wrong with us having a vigorous debate like we're having tonight about health care, about energy policy, about tax policy. That's the stuff that campaigns should be made of.

The notion, though, that because we're not doing town hall meetings that justifies some of the ads that have been going up, not just from your own campaign directly, John, but 527s and other organizations that make some pretty tough accusations, well, I don't mind being attacked for the next three weeks.

What the American people can't afford, though, is four more years of failed economic policies. And what they deserve over the next four weeks is that we talk about what's most pressing to them: the economic crisis.

Sen. McCain's own campaign said publicly last week that, if we keep on talking about the economic crisis, we lose, so we need to change the subject.

And I would love to see the next three weeks devoted to talking about the economy, devoted to talking about health care, devoted to talking about energy, and figuring out how the American people can send their kids to college.

And that is something that I would welcome. But it requires, I think, a recognition that politics as usual, as been practiced over the last several years, is not solving the big problems here in America.

McCain: Well, if you'll turn on the television, as I -- I watched the Arizona Cardinals defeat the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday.

Obama: Congratulations.

McCain: Every other ad -- ever other ad was an attack ad on my health care plan. And any objective observer has said it's not true. You're running ads right now that say that I oppose federal funding for stem cell research. I don't.

You're running ads that misportray completely my position on immigration. So the fact is that Sen. Obama is spending unprecedented -- unprecedented in the history of American politics, going back to the beginning, amounts of money in negative attack ads on me.

And of course, I've been talking about the economy. Of course, I've talked to people like Joe the plumber and tell him that I'm not going to spread his wealth around. I'm going to let him keep his wealth. And of course, we're talking about positive plan of action to restore this economy and restore jobs in America.

That's what my campaign is all about and that's what it'll continue to be all about.

But again, I did not hear a repudiation of Congressman...

Obama: I mean, look, if we want to talk about Congressman Lewis, who is an American hero, he, unprompted by my campaign, without my campaign's awareness, made a statement that he was troubled with what he was hearing at some of the rallies that your running mate was holding, in which all the Republican reports indicated were shouting, when my name came up, things like "terrorist" and "kill him," and that you're running mate didn't mention, didn't stop, didn't say "Hold on a second, that's kind of out of line."

And I think Congressman Lewis' point was that we have to be careful about how we deal with our supporters.

Now...

McCain: You've got to read what he said...

(CROSSTALK)

Obama: Let -- let -- let...

McCain: You've got to read what he said.

Obama: Let me -- let me complete...

Schieffer: Go ahead.

Obama: ... my response. I do think that he inappropriately drew a comparison between what was happening there and what had happened during the civil rights movement, and we immediately put out a statement saying that we don't think that comparison is appropriate.

And, in fact, afterwards, Congressman Lewis put out a similar statement, saying that he had probably gone over the line.

The important point here is, though, the American people have become so cynical about our politics, because all they see is a tit- for-tat and back-and-forth. And what they want is the ability to just focus on some really big challenges that we face right now, and that's what I have been trying to focus on this entire campaign.

From CNN's postdebate coverage:

ROLAND MARTIN (CNN political analyst): But here's the deal. In terms of -- McCain came out very strong. The reality is, when you came to pocketbook issues, Obama scored well. Health care -- numbers off the charts. Scored well -- education. McCain was sort of in the middle. The reality is, McCain, where he failed was when he -- he spent more time talking about John Lewis and wanting an apology then trying to explain what he's going to do to the American people

BENNETT: Well, why didn't he get one? Why didn't he get one?

MARTIN: Well, first of all, call John Lewis if he wants an apology. So, the reality is --

BENNETT: Why didn't Obama say it was wrong?

MARTIN: Because the bottom line is here: If you want to be president, talk to the American people. That's where I think he failed tonight, in that portion right there. He could have had a extremely strong night. He spent far too much time on Ayers and John Lewis.

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    • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (October 16, 2008 12:56 am ET)
         

      Obama needs to apologize to Joe the Plumber, and REPUDIATE any time somebody says something bad about John McCain or his supporters, who are all patriots!

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      • Author by pete592 (October 16, 2008 2:46 am ET)
           

        I'll give Sarah Palin props for noting the time of day and getting Joe's title correct during the VP debate. 

        After all, Joe changes hats once a day.  Plumber by day, six-pack by night.

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        • Author by pete592 (October 16, 2008 3:06 am ET)
             

          Boy do I feel stupid.  While making dinner and chasing the kids around the house, I thought "Joe the Plumber" was another stupid metaphor.

          Apologies to Joe Wurzelbacher.  It was not my intention to imply that Joe was one of the alcoholics that Palin speaks to on an emotional level.

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          • Author by wzwriter (October 16, 2008 8:50 am ET)
               

            Boy do I feel stupid.  While making dinner and chasing the kids around the house, I thought "Joe the Plumber" was another stupid metaphor.

            I thought he was the son of "Josephine the Plumber", who used to do TV commercials for Comet cleanser back in the '60s.....

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      • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2008 8:49 am ET)
           

        Expect to hear a lot about Joe the F***ing Plumber over the next two weeks.  Joe is the poster boy for the whiney Republican.  If Joe's taxes do, indeed, go up in an Obama administration, then Joe the F***ing Plumber is making about $90,000 a year more than a U.S. Senator.

        And I'm supposed to feel sorry for him?  Say it ain't so, Joe.

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        • Author by Brabantio (October 16, 2008 9:17 am ET)
             

          That was exactly my sentiment.  So under Obama, Joe's taxes go up from 36% to 39%, and this is supposedly some tremendous hardship that all but extinguishes his great American dream.

          I'm sure all the people who are terrified about getting sick because they have no health care and the people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck just broke out the Kleenex over Joe's sob story.

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          • Author by djasper2761 (October 16, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
               
            as was explained on CNN today, the 3% increase is anything over the 250K., not 39$ from 1 dollar to 256K
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 16, 2008 9:25 am ET)
             

          I came to the conclusion if Wolf the voter gets it ( the Obama plan 0 why can't Mccain the senator get it ?? He looked so befuddled after sen obama explained his program, and actually got angry later when sen Obam explained the fines for small business not being able to afford helth insurance is zero. Is the Mccain campaign kaput ?

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 16, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
           

        Latest Update about Joe the Plumber:

        * * * * *

        Joe the Plumber: Not a Licensed Plumber


        Plumber Joe Wurzelbacher watches the presidential candidate debate in his home in Ohio on Oct. 15, 2008. (Lori King/Toledo Blade)

        By Robert Barnes

        Joe the Plumber is not exactly a plumber and he's "not even close" to making the kind of money that would result in higher taxes from Democrat Barack Obama's proposals.

        Such is the whirlwind of information that has come out about Joe Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio, since Republican John McCain made him famous in last night's debate. McCain mentioned him more than 20 times to use him as a symbol of hard-working Americans who would be hurt by Obama's tax policies. Obama and Wurzelbacher met earlier in the week in Toledo, where Wurzelbacher said Obama's plans to raise taxes on those making $250,000 a year or more would penalize him in his plans to buy the plumbing business for which he works.

        Wurzelbacher since then has been on Fox News, interviewed by CBS's Katie Couric and appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America."

        Not all the attention has been welcomed. Wurzelbacher, 34, told the Associated Press that he was not a licensed plumber. Because he works for a small company that does residential work, he said, he doesn't need to be licensed.

        <more>

        http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/16/joe_the_plumber_not_a_licensed.html?hpid=topnews

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        • Author by wzwriter (October 16, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
             

          I did some more Google searching, and found a page that lists licensing requirements for home improvement contractors in all 50 states.  This is what it says about Ohio:

          The state of Ohio doesn't license contractors. The municipality where work is done does that. However the Ohio Construction Industry Examining Board issues Qualification Certificates for plumbing, electrical, HVAC, hydronics, and refrigeration contractors. Landscapers need to be licensed if they plant trees or shrubs.

          http://www.homeframe.com/Licensing.aspx

          So - the question now becomes "Does Joe the Plumber have a Qualification Certificate?"

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        • Author by djasper2761 (October 16, 2008 8:41 pm ET)
             

          I do brain surgery i small residences so I don't have to be licensed either. I also do free OBGYN exams in small resiences as well. No license needed and so far no complaints. I am looking into doing eye exams also. Same deal.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (October 16, 2008 1:15 am ET)
         

      Does anyone on the panels actually watch and more importantly, listen to what is being said? What was Bennett doing when Obama made his statement?

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2008 1:26 am ET)
           

        Uh oh. Are we back on that page where Obama has to denounce, reject, renounce and condemn evrything the rightwing nutsack screechmonkeys demand that he does, or face the wrath of their pouty lower lips?

        They got a little traction with this crap a few months ago. Now they're just the loser squad, and good for nothing but a laugh.When Joe Biden starts calling Grampy McC a terrorist, and Obama suporters start telling him they don't trust Sarah Palin because she's an eskimo terrorist, let's talk.

        Loser douchebags. I reject you, every one !

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        • Author by princeofwheels (October 16, 2008 2:17 am ET)
             

          Finally, McGramps asked about Ayres and Obama got to answer him on the BIG stage. Seems like Obama has McGramps' number. He is always two steps ahead. I want to know who in Obamas' campaign has figured out the Rovian puzzle. We got ourselves a winner. Pretty soon, the Cons will be complaining that Obama is playing dirty by not playing dirty.

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          • Author by roundhouse (October 16, 2008 7:01 am ET)
               

            The Obama campaign seems to have figured out that attacks need to answered by attacking the attacker. They also seem to have figured out that making negative attacks, that is to say, emphasizing the opponents negatives, need not be unethical attacks.

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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 16, 2008 10:20 am ET)
                 

              I am waiting to the teachers of this nation to figure out why Mccain wants to put untrained, with no degree military personnel in schools under the guise of creating jobs.. I was confused by his proposal that made no sense.

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              • Author by susangee (October 16, 2008 1:54 pm ET)
                   

                Most teachers understand the TTT program; McCain clearly does not. The TTT program is designed to prepare QUALIFIED people to become teachers. It helps them to meet state certification requirements, may offer some financial aid, and assists with job placement. Ex-military personnel can not just become teachers without education and training. McCain was just throwing out a phrase that he hoped would appeal to educators and those interested in education reform. McCain and Paalin are so shallow and out-of-touch that they do not even understand that others in their audience may be better informed than they are. Their attitude toward the American public is both dismissive and demeaning.

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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (October 16, 2008 8:38 am ET)
           

        What was Bennett doing when Obama made his statement?

        Bill "Book of Virtues" Bennett was on the phone with his bookie.

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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 16, 2008 10:21 am ET)
             

          bennet was not watching his own employer.

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2008 11:21 am ET)
             

          Overheard at the CNN green room...

          "Hey Bennett - we're dealing the cards - are you in?"

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    • Author by representativepress (October 16, 2008 4:56 am ET)
         

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    • Author by mefirst (October 16, 2008 7:15 am ET)
         

      matt lauer asked brokaw this morning if mccain defused the issue of a connection between him and bush by saying obama should have run four years ago if obama  wanted to run against bush.  how would that diffuse the issue?  if mccain supports bush on a lot of his policies, then bush is indeed an issue. 

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      • Author by neon desert (October 16, 2008 10:03 am ET)
           

        I don't have the best memory in the world, and it happened 4 years ago, but didn't Obama actually campaign against Bush 4 years ago?  Not as a candidate, but by supporting Kerry, of course.  In fact, as I recall, that's where he made his name, with a speech that wowed a lot of folks and began the speculation that he would make a good candidate in '08, should Kerry lose in '04.

        And wasn't it at that same time that McCain was campaigning to re-elect Bush?

        Now, I'm not trying to push any "guilt by association" connection here, but it seems to me - with all the discussion about 'judgement' lately - that McCain's judgement that Bush's ideas were good enough to support him for another 4 years would be well worth addressing.

        The concept might be a little too complex for guys like JoeThePlumber©  to understand, but it seems apparent that McCain is inexorably connected to Bush.

        And by the way, the comments on this column that I've read this morning has to be - in my opinion - one of the most well-informed, well conceived collection of thoughts that have ever been amassed by an unkempt herd of dirty effin' liberal hippies in the history of the world.  I'll see if I can find a link to confirm that...

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 10:28 am ET)
             

          And wasn't it at that same time that McCain was campaigning to re-elect Bush?

          That's an excellent point that I think hasn't been raised enough. Didn't McCain even speak at the 2004 Republican National Convention in praise of Bush?

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        • Author by mefirst (October 16, 2008 6:35 pm ET)
             

          yeah, obama actually made the keynote speech at the democratic convention in 2004. 

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      • Author by pete592 (October 16, 2008 12:52 pm ET)
           

        "matt lauer asked brokaw this morning if mccain defused the issue of a connection between him and bush by saying obama should have run four years ago if obama  wanted to run against bush."

        I saw this great blurb on C&L:

        DN, armchair quarterbacking: Obama might also have pointed out: "John, if you really want to reform George Bush's policies, as you now claim, perhaps you should have run four years ago."

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 16, 2008 7:39 am ET)
         
      Joe six pack, Joe the plumber, Joe Biden .............who is next ? Joe the wrestler?
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    • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2008 9:00 am ET)
         

      Joe the Plumber plays well to the Republican base, since they are immune to logic.  If Joe finds himself in the bracket where Obama will raise his taxes, then he's in the top 2%.  This is Grampy's "average guy"?  Please. 

      Besides, if he's that worried about it, he can just hire a couple of more guys and put himself back into the lower bracket.  Problem solved.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 9:48 am ET)
           

        Maybe Joe is worried that he won't have enough money left over to buy his wife that new Cadillac Escalade...and a Harley-Davidson Fat Boy for himself. Poor Joe...  ;>)

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      • Author by Cheney2012 (October 16, 2008 11:51 am ET)
           

        The leftists utter contempt for the small businessman clearly on display here.  Meanwhile it seems St. Barack just loves the billionaire Warren Buffet. 

        Do you people know anything about Joe the Plumber?  Did he buy a house in the past few years thereby paying 3-4 times more than it's really worth.?  That's thanks to the liberals demanding banks loan money to people who can't pay them back, thereby driving home prices up artificially. Do you have any idea what it costs to "hire a couple more guys?"  

        What about the local and state business taxes?  How about unemployment insurance?  How about workmen's comp insurance?  These are all government mandates.  Is he paying health insurance for his employees?  What about his own health insurance? 

        What are his taxes on that house?  Oh, by the way..what about payroll taxes?  As self-employed he pays 15.7 percent of his own of the first $100,000 or so.

        The basic point is he's paying more than his FAIR SHARE and people like him need to be left alone.  Instead the left makes them targets and fires up the 40 percent of people who DO NOT PAY a DIME to vote for policies that go after the hard-earned money of other poeple.   Is that fair?  Is it right?  Certainly one thing we cna call it is STEALING!

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        • Author by pete592 (October 16, 2008 12:18 pm ET)
             

          "Do you people know anything about Joe the Plumber?"

          Obviously you don't, because all you have are more questions.

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        • Author by Brabantio (October 16, 2008 12:21 pm ET)
             

          Is he distantly related to Charles Keating?

          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845

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        • Author by magnolialover (October 16, 2008 12:47 pm ET)
             

          Yep, we just HATE small businesses, so much so that we are normally the ones promoting them, and talking about NOT going to places like Wal Mart, or Lowes, or Home Depot. I know a lot of lefties myself, and guess what we all try to do? We trying to frequent local small businesses near where we live in order to prop up on our communities. All of a sudden, republicans like small businesses? I think you've got it backwards, in the world that I live in, liberals are constantly engaging against large corporations and trying to help the small guy make a good living.

          You think that these home loans drove up the market value of houses? No indeed, they didn't. And you think it was all the liberals faults? Of course you do, bearing in mind you forgot to look at who was running the show for most of the last 8 years in the White House, and in Congress for 12 years. Oh right, republicans, champions of de-regulation and free markets. Wasn't it the free market that set the value of those homes? Why do you hate the free market? Wasn't it the free market that prompted the increase in home value because that's what people would pay for a new home? Indeed, it was.

          If Joe takes home 100,000, under Obama's plan, he gets more money in his paycheck. If he can still pay for his house, regardless of what it is worth, he's good to go. Why? He still has a place to live, and normally homes are not some sort of short term investment, as they had been in the era of buying and flipping.

          Liberals never demanded that bank loans be given to people who couldn't pay them back, that was called predatory lending, and it was perpetrated through the banks who saw a quick way to make a buck.

          So you guys don't want to pay taxes? How about we just take away all of the services that you receive for your paid in tax money?

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        • Author by MoonbatYouBet (October 16, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
             

          Are you seriously putting forward some insane theory that ridiculously inflated housing prices and the inevitable bursting of the "housing bubble" are the fault of "liberals demanding banks loan money to people who can't pay them back"?

          Really?

          Wow.  There's so much wrong with that idea that it's beyond comprehension to even know where to start with it.

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    • Author by DAWUSS (October 16, 2008 9:10 am ET)
         

      It's Bill Ayers vs. George W. Bush, and a guy named Joe has the deciding vote.

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      • Author by neon desert (October 16, 2008 10:08 am ET)
           

        I may be feeling extra charitable this morning or something, but that's among the best things you've ever written.

        Turn it into a cartoon, and you may soon have to worry about the Obama tax policy affecting you just like JoeThePlumber©...

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    • Author by worrierking (October 16, 2008 9:49 am ET)
         

      All I got from McCain last night is that he wants to change America's tax and fiscal policies to pander to one f_cking plumber from Ohio.

      We'll ignore the fact that thousands of families are losing their homes each day. Thousands more are losing their jobs, their healthcare, their retirements, their savings and their hope.

      All I can say to Joe is get in line behind the rest of us, pal. Welcome to the club.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 10:04 am ET)
           

        And, according to an interview Joe gave this morning with Katie Couric, he doesn't even make $250,000 a year...he doesn't even fit into the category whose taxes would go up. He's worried about paying more taxes if he ever reaches that level...and he says he's worried that Obama might arbitrarily reduce the threshhold to, say, $100,000. I think Joe worries too much...  ;>)

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        • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2008 10:12 am ET)
             

           And I'm worried that President Grampy might arbitrarily nuke Spain. 

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 10:21 am ET)
               

            And I'm worried that President Grampy might arbitrarily nuke Spain. 

            You mean after he takes care of Iran...?

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        • Author by Brabantio (October 16, 2008 10:26 am ET)
             

          So McCain based his entire performance on a paranoid plumber.  And then Obama is supposed to be held accountable for saying McCain is "erratic".

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 10:31 am ET)
               

            I like that...Joe the Paranoid PlumberHe'll replace all your pipes now, whether they need replacing or not...because you never know when they might break!

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      • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2008 10:20 am ET)
           

        Interestingly, if Joe does creep into that higher bracket, his tax increase will be less than what I pay for health insurance every year.  I shed no tears for Joe.

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    • Author by soulsurfn (October 16, 2008 10:39 am ET)
         

      Does anybody except me actually understand the reality of many of Sen. Obama's preposed economic/domestic plans? In a nutshell: It's Socialism. That's what it means when you cater only to the interests of the majority. I thought this was the U.S.A. If so, what's next? Do we just do away with the Constitution (in particular those first ten amendments aka: The Bill of Rights)? We really need to think hard about whether or not we as American citizens are ready allow our next president to undermine our constitutional rights, in order to satisfy the whims of the 'so called' majority of Americans. Our constitution is supposed to apply to all americans regardless of race, sex, gender orientation, religious ofiliation and oh yes socioeconomic class. I'm all for reform, don't get me wrong, but what Sen. Obama is preposing is straight up 'Marxism'. If you're gonna raise taxes (bad idea by the way), then we all have to bare it, not just the rich. I'm an American and I am black and while I'm excited to see Sen. Obama have the opportunity to run for election for our country's highest office, I can't see jumping on his bandwagon given his radical leftist and ultra-liberal orientation. I mean this guy has associations with a known terrorist (Bill Ayers). This is serious people!!! I don't want to be all doom and gloom, but 40 + years ago we were fighting for civil rights--in opposition to the 'moral majority'. Now that we have them and have come so far, we're just going to allow our next President to possibly nullify everything we have achieved???

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2008 10:47 am ET)
           

        Your concerns are a stretch of the imagination...to say the least.

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        • Author by neon desert (October 16, 2008 11:15 am ET)
             

          We're just speaking a different language.  With accurate translation, we might find common ground with soulsurfn.

          To begin with, soulsurfn explicitly redefines Socialism thusly:

          It's Socialism. That's what it means when you cater only to the interests of the majority.

          And by association, redefines pure democracy too.  I'm working on translating the rest of it, and hope to have a ultra-liberal coherent version by next wednesday, so "bare" with me...

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2008 1:32 pm ET)
               

            Thanks, Neon. I'll bare with you, and look forward to your preposals.

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          • Author by juliajayne (October 16, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
               

            "bare" with me...

            Are we having a radical lefist ultra liberal orientation before the orgy?

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            • Author by neon desert (October 16, 2008 5:59 pm ET)
                 

              I suspect that if it's an ultra-liberal orgy, the more radical the orientation, the better.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2008 10:55 am ET)
           

        In a nutshell: It's Socialism.

        Soulsurfn, thanks for sharing, but the rest of us our not in that nutshell between your ears.

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        • Author by worrierking (October 16, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
             

          If he adds an orphaned niece to his saga, he could pass for Columbus/SciencyGuy.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 16, 2008 10:57 am ET)
           

        Another Rush Limbaugh talking points toadie.

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (October 16, 2008 11:26 am ET)
             

          Soulsurfin needs to realize that in the past 8 years we have seen the greatest shift in wealth to the uber-rich since the robber baron days of the 1920's.  It's not socialism or marxism, or any other ism he wants to falsely claim, its FAIRNESS.

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 16, 2008 12:37 pm ET)
           

        sen Obama is not a communist

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      • Author by magnolialover (October 16, 2008 12:57 pm ET)
           

        Breathless concern troll, nice tirade straight out from someone's elses mouth no doubt.

        Socialism? Hardly. It's not even close. So a few more people at the top of the food chain pay a little more tax money, and the vast majority of us get to keep more of the money that we EARN (not given to us by someone else by the way), and the economy could become better because of it. Nobody would be giving us money, it would just be that we would get to keep more of what we earn, you know, working jobs. Socialism would just give us some cash out of the government coffers, sort of like what is happening with Wall Street and the banks. THAT'S Socialism. When you cater to the interests of the majority, that's called democracy, pure democracy. It's not socialism.

        If you want to do away with the Constitution, first, you have to dissolve the entire government of the United States, and become a dictator. This, would not happen. Second, if you want to get rid of some of the Constitutional amendments, you'd have to have that ratified, or if you're President Bush, you can just do what you want to do. Obama, is a Constitutional scholar, remember? He knows what it says, and what he can and can't do under its laws. What Constitutional right do you think you have to be taxed more or less? I suggest you read said Constitution before you answer that one.

        Now we've moved from Socialism to Marxism? Do you even know what Marxism is? It is defined as:

        "A theory of of socialism which states that the oppression of the working class by the "nobility" will eventually lead to a revolt by the workers and the establishment of a classless society."

        So now Obama wants to help out the middle and lower classes by allowing us to retain some of the money we earn on a daily basis, and all of a sudden he's a Marxist? Wow! Amazing stretch right there.

        Obama barely knows Ayers. He didn't take part in Ayers' radical actions back in the 1960s and helped, along with a bunch of other people, make educational reforms in Chicago.

        You are breathless with misinformation... Find a few facts, and get back to us.

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        • Author by historygeek001 (October 16, 2008 1:56 pm ET)
             

          Soulsurfn can't reply with facts; they have a well-known liberal bias.

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        • Author by soulsurfn (October 16, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
             

          You're keeping more of what you earn at the expense of the rich (i.e the rich are paying your taxes for you = SOCIALISM) WAKE UP!!!

          The bailout benefits us all. FDR did the same thing during the Depression. Or would you rather all the banks close and we all lose our money, our mutuals, 401k, IRAs, etc. WAKE UP!!!

          I remember a time when the 'interests of the majority' favored segregation and jim crow laws and worse even (if that's pure democracy I'd hate to see what aparthied would be like...hmm or for that matter slavery). WAKE UP!!! PLEASE IT'S EMBARASSING HOW IGNORANT YOU SOUND.

          I have no intentions of doing away with my gauranteed constitutional rights. Niether do I have any intentions in voting for Sen. Obama who is clearly planning to use his bougeoise degree in Constitutional Law to implement his communist agenda. WAKE UP!!!

          William Charles "Bill" Ayers is a terrorist. People died and/or sustained injuries as a direct result to his radical activities. The treacherous SOB even wrote a book about it (Fugitive Days: A Memoir published September 10,2001). Ayers has been quoted in the New York Times as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and I feel we didn't do enough". This was one day before '9/11'. Sen. Obama and Ayers served on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago between 1999 and 2002. Ayers contributed $200 to Obamas re-election fund to the the Ill. State Senate in April 2001. Both lived in the same neighborhood in Hyde Park Chicago and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles (Washington Post).  I'VE HEARD OF KEEPING YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER, BUT YOU'VE MUST BE LIVING IN THE CLOUDS IF YOU THINK OBAMA DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS PARTYING WITH A NOTORIOUS WEATHERMAN (WAKE UP!!!)

          Is that enough fact for you...

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 16, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
               

            Ayers has been quoted in the New York Times as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and I feel we didn't do enough". This was one day before '9/11'.

            I see this point mentioned pretty often. What's the significance of Ayers saying this before 9/11? Do you think he was involved?

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            • Author by soulsurfn (October 16, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
                 

              Nothing in particular. It just seems haunting... ya know?

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              • Author by worrierking (October 16, 2008 5:13 pm ET)
                   

                Not as haunting as knowing that Bush's AG, John Ashcroft,  was proposing funding cuts for counter-terrorism on September 10,2001.

                More proof that the Republican's only concern with terrorism is to use it to instlil fear in the public.

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      • Author by snoopy (October 16, 2008 2:11 pm ET)
           

        Anybody but you and that other contingent (20%). Pretty arrogant and uppity for a minority...

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      • Author by worrierking (October 16, 2008 3:14 pm ET)
           

        Forward units, child molesters, pimps and turkey?

        Sounds like a poorly written novel for bedwetters.

        Better move everything into the bunker because McSame/Phalin are headed for history's dustbin.

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    • Author by tman418 (October 16, 2008 6:35 pm ET)
         

      I actually hope that Obama doesn't truly believe that what Lewis' statement was wrong. I thought it was quite correct. But I know that Obama will have to say somethings to extinguish the fire, however small it actually is.

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    • Author by hornblower (October 16, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
         

      John Lewis can say anything he wants! He is true American hero.

      Bill Bennett has no shame. While John Lewis was serving the Nation Mr. Bennett was in the VIP room at Bally's

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