Conservative media figures allege Obama's Hawaii trip is about discredited birth-certificate rumors, not his ailing grandmother

It says more about themselves than anything else.

I'm headed out to Honolulu. I am not convinced that Barack Obama is going because his grandmother is sick. I appreciate that his grandmother is sick and he wants to be with her. I do recall that Barack Obama's mother died of cancer, and he didn't go to be by her side when she died. He relates that in his autobiography, Dreams From My Father. And I'm going out to do what digging I can on the birth certificate.

Jerome Corsi is such a hateful person, who exploits family members who are ill? Corsi does. What a sc*mbag.

After watching this entire campaign it seems McCain's platform for America is to make wild accusations about Obama's lack of ties to terrorists, make wild accusations about Obama not wearing flag pins or putting his hand over his heart to do the pledge of allegiance, make wild accusations about Obama's tax plan, make wild accusations about Obama's health plan, and make wild accusations about Obama's experience. I'm just really having a difficult time grasping how that solves the energy crisis, ends the recession, wins the war and re-regulates the mortgage industry? When is McCain gonna explain that?

"I would speculate that the real reason that Jerome Corsi, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Weiner would say these things is that they have no class and can't find enough heart among the three of them to pump blood anywhere."

That's the truth. Instead of celebrating Barack's sacrifice and steadfast family values it requires to leave his campaign this close to the election, in their utter lack of humanity, Limbaugh, Corsi and Savage joyfully drive the knife in deeper.

It doesn't matter where he was born.  His mother was an American citizen so he is an American citizen.

Go to this Website:

Fight The Smears

The trolls are harping on this as a way of distracting people.  It won't work.  Obama will not be swiftboated.

By the way, the birth certificate is from the State of Hawaii and also indicates the place of birth as Hawaii.  Maybe Cons like you don't consider Hawaii part of the "true America" but it is America.

When it comes to POTUS or VP eligibility, a certificate of live birth does NOT satisfy eligibility requirements (as we learned with McCain)

yeah, McCain was born dead, which could create a problem for him. But I suspect the problem for him legally was not the way he was born, but where-- if that's a problem, which it isn't.

Re: "natural born" status -

The requirements for this, of course begin with "must be born within the United States".

But I am told that congress, by its authority to regulate elections, refined the status requirement to include age and length of residency in the United States.

I am trying to find the federal law that congress enacted to define those requirements that were in effect in 1961.

         1. You have to be born to a parent that has been a citizen for at least ten   (10) years; and 

        2. That parent must have resided within the United States for at least the five (5) years prior to Obama's birth.    

This may be what Obama is worried about.

Obama Sr. was not anAmerican citizen.

His mother was eighteen (18) years old when she had him.

And her 5 years of residency would have required that she be in the United States since she was fourteen (14) years old. 

However, she was living in Kenya with Obama Sr.

Her second husband, I think,  was a citizen of Indonesia. 

Therefore,  that may be why he may not qualify as  a "natural born" American citizen.   

 Bummer!

I wonder if that means that Biden would suceed Oboma as President?

This is so weird that not even Hollywood could have thought this up.

Is there anyone out there that can shed some light on this, please?        

I assume you're aware that there is one candidate in the race who was NOT born in the United States. That candidate, of course, is John McCain, who was born in Panama.

I think all this birth certificate crap is a perfect example of Karl Rove's strategy of always pinning your candidate's biggest weakness on the other guy first, i.e., if you're someone who dodged serving in Vietnam and you're running against a war hero, hit him with accusations of not serving honorably. That way when he accuses you of the same, it looks weak. I belief the McCain campaign was nervous that the story of McCain's birth outside of the United States would come up, so he floated this BS about Obama first. Meanwhile, no one has said a word about McCain being born in a foreign country. Well, George Bush did back in 2000, but Obama's campaign hasn't.

And, yes, a person born in the United States, even to TWO non-citizen parents, earns U.S. citizenship.

matrixbio2014 wrote:

"POINT #1

There is a major piece of evidence that the right wingnuts are not producing in their effort to "prove" that Obama was not born in the USA - evidence that his mother traveled out of the USA when she was pregnant with him."

His own family member's are making statements that they were in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born. Although this doesn't provide solid, documentary evidence that she traveled out of the USA while pregnant, it is substantial because, if true...........

"POINT #2

Even if she did give birth to him in another country, he is still, by law, born a US citizen because his mother was a US citizen.  (A previous president was not born on US soil, but still became president)."

.......then Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. Read the law as it pertained to 1961:

The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
 

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
 

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
 

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

His mother was 18 at the time of birth, thus not old enough to pass citizenship onto a child born outside of the US. If his Kenyan relatives are making accurate statements, he is NOT eligible to serve as President. If his relatives are making false statements, he should provide the solid, documentary evidence that he was born in a US hospital on US soil (thus the need for the birth certificate, NOT the "certificate of live birth". I hope you realize that there IS a difference.)

Ahhh, but you forget - the wardrobe issue is important because Edwards $400 haircut was important to them. Turn about is fair play and all that.

Can't they pick something with more substance? This is just as bad as the Dems picking on America's Hockey Mom's $300,000 wardrobe.---Dawuss

>>>Speaking of her, I wonder would section three of the 14th Amendment apply to her with respect to her association with the Alaskan Independence Party.

Section 3. No one shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Why should he?

Filing a motion to dismiss is exactly the response that bullsh!t case deserves.

He has:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Obama will not be swiftboated.

Another concern troll.  Here's the proof:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Obama will not be swiftboated.

This is a perfect example of desperation by people who can only be called "entertainers"---NI

>>>Limbaugh got off a good here:

And I've been laying low on this because it just -- it hasn't met the threshold to pass the smell test on this program.---Rush (I got a million of 'em!) Limbaugh

You can't just tell the state that someone was born there and they will accept it.  For them to be able to issue a birth certificate, they would have to have received the original certification from the hospital.  Anybody who has had a child knows this.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

A hospital-issued birth certificate isn't legal for identification. I found that out the hard way when i attempted to use it for my first job many years ago. What did the employer want? The state-issued COLB. That IS the only legal document of birth that the government acknowledges.

Another sock.  You are misinformed.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Obama will not be swiftboated.

I'll take that bet, chump.

I find it hard to grasp the concept of Weiner having a family, or, at the very least, bis having a family that would admit to having him as a member.

Ok so why won't he just produce the official birth certificate?  Not a tampered with copy, but the original?  Why are there lawsuits against him from several prominent attorneys including the Secretary of State to Washington?  Is there something on the birth certificate that he is ashamed of?  I heard that it claims he is white.

If obama is such a family man, why wouldn't he bring at least his wife, if not his 2 kids as well, to spend time with his grandmother who may be in her last days?  Sounds to me like he is on a private business trip to pressure officials in Hawaii... exactly the kind of thing someone from the Chicago political machine would do.

fawltylogic wrote:

"a birth certificate that nobody is asking for and that he's already provided?"

The true fawlt in your logic is this: He has NOT provided a birth certificate. He HAS provided a "certificate of live birth". These are two completely different documents that contain different information. Please read carefully:

A "certificate of live birth", or COLB, is prepared by the State. It is a government document that shows a limited amount of information regarding a person's birth. It does NOT state the name of the hospital in which the birth occured, the name of the delivering doctor, and witnesses present in the delivery room. Thus, when trying to determine WHICH HOSPITAL a person was born in, this document does not provide enough information.

A "birth certificate" is prepared by a hospital when a birth occurs. It lists a vast amount of information including the name of the doctor, witnesses, weight of the child, length of the child, type of birth (cessarian, breach, etc.). There is a DISTINCT difference in these two documents.

Now consider this: Can you get a COLB without providing to the state a "birth certificate". The answer is YES. You do not have to have a "birth certificate" in order to register the birth of a child. It happens all the time in instances of home births, underwater births, births that occur in a taxicab or in the women's clothing section of a JC Penney. In these instances, to prove "natural born" status, one would have to rely on the testimony of witnesses, family members, or emergency medical personnel and this testimony would have to be consistent from one person to the next.

In the case of Barack Obama, he has a COLB. This does NOT prove "natural born" status.

To prove "natural born" status, he either needs to provide a "birth certificate", or witness testimony of where his birth occured.

To date, he has refused to provide a "birth certificate", so his "natural born" status has not been proven.

His family members are providing statements (not testimony, mind you) that he was born in Kenya. Therefore, his "natural born" status is questionable.

Barack Obama can settle this issue by providing a "birth certificate". He has NOT done so to this point. His eligibility has NOT been established, and based on the conflicting stories from his family members, is indeed questionable.

Wow.  Another sock.  You are industrious!

Who the hell would want the press crowded around you while you are trying to visit your ailing grandmother?

Idiots.

And if he had allowed pictures and video, you would have complained he was exploiting his ailing grandmother.

It's serious desperation.  That's why you have to laugh it off.

http://www.fightthesmears.com

Obama will not be swiftboated.

Friday, May 2, 2008

McCain Birth Eligibility Remains Controversial

John McCain's eligibility for the presidency raises fascinating questions, especially in my case, as I was born overseas at an American military hospital in West Germany.

The situation for McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone, has never been squarely addressed constitutionally, according to Michael Dobbs at the Washington Post:

"John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."
--U.S. Senate Resolution, April 30, 2008.

On Wednesday evening, the U.S. Senate unanimously declared John S. McCain III a "natural-born citizen," eligible to be president of the United States. That was the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone. The bad news is that the Senate resolution is a non-binding opinion that fails to resolve one of the murkiest, untested areas of the U.S. constitution.

In an attempt to clarify the issues at stake, I am posting the key documents in the debate. For a more detailed look at the constitutional debate, see my story in today's print edition of the Post, available here. As a bonus for the conspiracy theorists out there, I am also posting exclusively an extract from the Panama Canal Zone birth registers for August 1936 that contains no mention of McCain's birth! Make of this what you will.

The Facts

Article two of the constitution states that "no person except a natural born citizen...shall be eligible to the Office of president." Legal cases have been filed in at least three states--New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and California--challenging McCain's eligibility for the presidency. You can read the New Hampshire filing, by a 49-year-old computer programmer named Fred Hollander, here.

The McCain campaign has consulted two leading jurists, Theodore Olsen and Laurence Tribe, on the constitutional issues. Olsen and Tribe were on opposite sides of the 2000 Bush vs Gore Supreme Court case, but they see eye to eye on the question of McCain's eligibility for the presidency. They argue that McCain is a natural born citizen because the United States exercised sovereignty over the Panama Canal at the time of his birth on August 29, 1936, he was born on a U.S. military base, and both of his parents were U.S. citizens. The Olsen-Tribe opinion is available here.

Sarah Duggin, an associate law professor at Catholic University, who has made a detailed study of the natural born issue, says the question is not as simple as Olsen and Tribe make out. While she believes that McCain would likely win a determined legal challenge to his eligibility to be president, she says the matter can only be fully resolved by a constitutional amendment or a decision of the Supreme Court.

McCain's birth on August 29, 1936, in what was then the Panama Canal Zone was announced in the English language Panamanian American, available here. The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy. Contrary to some Internet rumors that McCain was born outside the Canal Zone, in Colon, the document records his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital."

Exclusive tidbit for conspiracy theorists: There is no record of McCain's birth in the bound birth registers of the Panama Canal Zone Health Department, which are available for public inspection at the National Archives in College Park, Md. Here is a sample page from the August 1936 birth register.

While some people will no doubt seize on the missing birth record as evidence that McCain was not born in the Canal Zone, my own view is that it is probably a bureaucratic snafu. The combination of the birth announcement in the Panamanian American plus the McCain birth certificate plus the memories of his 96-year-old mother persuades me that the senator was indeed born inside the Canal Zone.

But that does not entirely end the constitutional debate. The question remains: how did McCain acquire his U.S. citizenship, by birth or by naturalization. Even though the 10-mile wide Canal Zone was effectively under American sovereignty between 1904 and 1979, when it was handed back to the Panamanians, it was not "in" the United States. Here is what a State Department manual on U.S. citizenship has to say about children born on U.S. military installations:

Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

There are few precedents for someone born outside the United States proper running for president, let alone becoming president. The best one the McCain camp has been able to come up with is the case of Vice Preisdent Charles Curtis who was born in the territory of Kansas, in January 1860, a year before Kansas became a state. The twelfth amendment requires that vice presidents possess the same qualifications as presidents.

The Pinocchio Test

It seems common sense that a child born to U.S. citizens on a U.S. military base while his father was on active military service should be eligible for the presidency. But the constitution is ambiguous about the precise meaning of "natural-born citizen." According to Professor Duggin, the "McCain side has some really good arguments, but ultimately there has never been any real resolution of this issue. Congress cannot legislatively change the meaning of the constitution."

See also, Dobbs' main article, "McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate: His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned."

(See Dobbs' update as well, "UPDATE FRIDAY 3 P.M.").

Here is the law as it was written at the time of McCain's birth:

1934 Act of May 24, 1934, Section 1, 48 Stat. 797.
 

"Any child hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the time of birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States: but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to any such child unless the citizen father or citizen mother, as the case may be, has resided in the United States previous to the birth of such child. In cases where one of the parents is an alien, the right of citizenship shall not descend unless the child comes to the United States and resides therein for at least five years continuously immediately previous to his eighteenth birthday, and unless, within six months after the child's twenty-first birthday, he or she shall take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America as prescribed by the Bureau of Naturalization."

To determine whether or not the "natural born" status, not mentioned in this Act applies, one only needs to refer to the original writing of the Act in 1790:

1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
 

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".

This is how the Congress deemed McCain a "natural born" citizen.

FD,

You've done a very nice job of presenting your case in a calm and rational fashion...unlike some of those that argued against your contention. I haven't seen anyone debunk your claim by answering your questions...I did see a lot of "you're wrong" responses but offering little evidence to refute your claim.

It appears that you have done considerable research into this subject. Here's my question...do you have info on your claim where it has been investigated by constitutional scholars or legal experts and those opinions provided?

The real "circular" aspect concerning your posts has been the willful disregard of answering your questions...which appear reasonable to me.

Nobody has to provide you with anything.  You are just trying to smear Obama.  It's not going to work.

Obama will not be swiftboated.

And before you get on the McCain subject, let me say this: I AM convinced that McCain is eligible to serve as President of the United States because the US Congress formally declared that he IS eligible.

But we aren't convinced. A non binding resolution isn't a formal declaration, McCain can't produce a birth certificate, and can't produce a simple ledger entry from the base where he claims he was born. I will never consider McCain legal until I get the name of the hospital he was born at as well as the name of the doctor who delivered him.

Hillary said it best...the willing suspension jof disbelief...concerning former democrat's questions.

You could easily end the "pedantic obfuscation" by producing evidence of the "long form"...which one might logically conclude would be necessary to produce the "short form".

If you read the bottom of the COLB that Obama campaign has provided, you will see very clearly that it states "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE".  Do you agree with me so far?  Then, if you look very closely next to the words "CERTIFICATE NO." you will see that the numbers has been hidden or blacked out.  Still in agreement with me?  So, as long as we are on the same page here and you agree that blacking-out the certificate IS an alteration, then one can readily conclude that what is posted on FactCheck.org, FightTheSmears.com etc is an invalid document. 

Can anyone refute this logic?  And in so doing keep strictly to the facts?

Obama campaign, please provide a valid document to the courts and let's move on before we start a constitutional crisis.

Furthermore the circlejerkers here don't seem to understand that it is they that must bear the burden of proof here. They allege that the information on Obama's birth certificate may not be genuine and that it may be at variance with the "Certificate of Live Birth". Because they are making the allegations it is they that have the burden of producing the "real document". Subpoena the document from the State of Hawaii. Hell with the 300 mil or so McLame has in the donor tank he should be able to hire an army of lawyers to do his bidding or even bribe a Hawaii State official. Sorry I lost myself there--McCain would never do anything unethical or illegal right? No doubt the Keating scandal is a fabrication of the "left wing" media.  Anyway the burnden of proof is yours not Obama's. So to our 'concern trolls': Obama will not be swiftboated!

1. He does not have to prove anything about his requirement to be President.

Planner with Numbers ( what is this numbers stuff with the Rushbots types), now, my question to you, Where is McCains' birth certificate?

Improper Planning, do you honestly believe that every tiny detail of Obamas' life from conception to his breakfast this morning hasn't been "vetted" by every Rovian mole in the world? Really, if the Repubs had vetted the Palin lady, McCain may have had a chance. Quit cryin' just go out and vote.

Exactly.  These swiftboaters are pathetic.  The funniest thing is, they actually think that their tactics will work this time.  The fact that Obama has his Fight The Smears website shows that he won't bend over for the smear merchants the way Kerry did.

I guess the more we can keep them repeating their nonsense on this site, the less time they will have to dissimenate their smears to people who actually might fall for it.

Here's the proof again:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

The lawsuits aren't serious.  They are meant to grab headlines to sow doubt in people who might not follow up to see if anything came of the cases.  It's classic swiftboat style swiftboating, and it won't work this time.

Obama will not be swiftboated.

Absolutely, true.  It is very suspect that Obama has refused to put an end to all of this speculation by the very simple act of RELEASING a certified copy of his birth certificate.  It would take him a few seconds to sign a form requested a copy from his alleged state of birth, Hawaii.  Instead, he spends thousands of dollars on legal fees to prevent the American public from obtaining this information.  And, let's not forget that Obama has also refused to release any information about his time at Occidental; his time at Columbia; his time at Harvard; his 8 years in the Illinois State Senate; his complete medical records; his application to the bar, etc.  The man has much to hide, and only a fool would not be suspicious by his level of secrecy.

Remember, the point isn't to prove Obama ineligible.  The point is to sow seeds of doubt in low-information voters and remind them of his non-traditional background.  It's classic swiftboat style smear tactics, and it won't be tolerated this time.

Kit,

When I was seventeen, my grandfather had a bad fall and we knew that the end was near.  We didn't know how soon it come though. My father went back to Virginia to be with him (it was his dad), and my brother, mother and I stayed back home.  We went out for the funeral to say goodbye.  The whole family was close to grandpa, but the elders in our family didn't want the kids to see grandpa that close to death.

Similarly, when my grandmother died, I was 23.  She was in a home for a short while before death, but no one knew when she would die.  I was told to keep working and not come back because there was nothing more that could be done.

I don't know why Michelle and the girls didn't go, but if you think its not normal to expose children to suffering, I think you are mistaken.

In addition to what Fried said, it's faster and easier to travel by yourself than with children.

Besides, it makes even less sense that he would need to travel to Hawaii to deal with a birth certificate.  You can do that through phone, fax, or email, so there's no way Obama would take time off from the campaign to do that.

Another sock.  Here you go again for the millionth time:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Obama won't be swiftboated.

Mary59 states: "I demand that Rush Limbaugh produce his birth certificate.  Wait, no, I want to see his mother's birth certificate and her blood type, and her dental records.  If you neo-nuts can't produce them, that's proof that he's covering something up or something. Ditto for Savage and Corsi."

We "neo-nuts" aren't looking to be commander-in-Chief. 

Now the true Present Republican is coming out of the closet. Lying...two people are lying. First, since you have source after source, where can we find this verified statements by grandma and his sister? Is your entire theory built on a house of cards and Corsi articles? Someone is getting a little edgy because they can't sell their rant on this site. Prove that Obama was not born in Hawaii..simple request.

I want to know if McCains' father the Admiral is really his father? Can you prove that for me...DUMBNESS can be used from both sides. I'd like to see his birth certificate and have DNA testing for Bush and Cheney before they leave office.

Maybe you'll believe World Net Daily, FD?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

From the article:

"However, a WND investigation has found that at least part of Berg's lawsuit relies on discredited claims."

"However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual birth certificate and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document."

"A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic."

"The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public."

Good Grief!

Don't you freaking morons know that IF there was ANY question as to Obama's citizenship the Geezer and the Dingbat would have brought it up by now? Do you honestly think that the Geezer and the Dingbat are THAT stupid?

If you're tired of waiting on the Geezer and Dingbat to call attention ti this matter, CALL THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE! You're an American, CALL THEM! 

After you arrive at your padded cell, you'll be happy to know your new roommate suffers from the same imagination problem. Oh, she doesn't imagine fake birth certificates, she imagines big Black guys sexually assaulting and branding her.

That's my impression as well. I'm sure BO's been through the ringer with lengthy background investigations by professionals who know what the hell they're doing, scrutinizing every aspect of his life.  I'm sure that even his primary opponents, (fellow dems like HC and probably Biden), scrupulously looked into the matter and found zilch . ...

Nosocialism,

I will assume by your moniker that you are not a republican after their nationalization of some banks, AIG, etc.  I will also assume that you are not a McCain supporter because in 2000, he was presented with the "socialism" argument when he said that higher taxes on the rich was not socialism at all.  Do you believe the right-wing WND is now a pro-Obama site because they dispute Limbaugh et al?

The "original" was required to be turned over to the Department of Health. That's what the Department of Health uses to generate a COLB.

You are stupid.

When you request a copy of your birth certificate, they don't zerox the original document, instead they produce a new one with the official seal etc.  I know this because I had to request my birth certificate to get a passport.  I was born in the 70s.  The document they sent me was printed and came on official seal embossed paper.

Oh yeah, did I say you are a moron?

Jeff79,

You must be one of those trial attorneys in the tank for Obama ;).  Well said, man.  As a fellow attorney, I couldn't agree more.

jeff79 stated: "What Hawaii law *does* say, however, is that the hospital is required to turn over any original certificate to the DOH.  The DOH then generates a COLB from these originals. They do not release the originals."

If you look back on this board, you will see what an original Hawaii birth certificate looks like.  Where's Barack's?

A simple question requiring a simple answer.

There is no "proof" that it doesn't exist.  There are people who claim that it doesn't exist, and are merely looking for proof that it does.  If Obama was to provide the original, not one done on a computer, he would put the situation to rest.

I have proof that you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.  I'd drop this false theme if I were you, but then again, it might take another lifetime to give it up.  Good luck.

Well Obama has released his original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.  I's say that's plenty of proof he was born in the USA.  Where's your proof he was born in Kenya?

Post the proof, MBP.

Here's the proof:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

I'll keep posting it over and over again.

That's about as stupid as calling 911 to complain about the traffic and then insulting the operators because they won't dispatch a police escort to clear the way for you. You'd have to be a real idiot to do something like that...

Correction to above post bonr=born and ypou= you. That should make you spelling nazi's happy.

You are right.  It's the same on my kids' certificates here in the state of Washington.

Thank you Missouri Democrat. Now you are starting to see the difference. The certificate you received from the state is fine for ANY PURPOSE you can imagine, EXCEPT:  Determining "natural born" citizen status for the purpose of running for President or VP of the country. A "birth certificate" or COLB or whatever is sufficient to establish citizenship, but only the "birth records" or "vault-birth certificate" is sufficient to establish "natural born" status.

Certainly you see the difference.

Well, crap.  Not sure.  I read that initially thinking Berg made that post.

We don't need the hospital.  His official birth certificate here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

States that he was born in Hawaii.  Case closed.

Obama will not be swiftboated.

Nice rational post, Steve. Tell me which of those documents you had to provide to prove your "natural born" citizen status?   Hmmmmmmm?????

You are absolutely 100% correct.  The COLB is a summary of the birth document.  It's certified by the state.  If it says the state of birth is Hawaii, then that means the birth document also says that.

FD is just an ass.  He thinks he can make up arbitrary rules as to what constitutes proof of location of birth.  What a fool and a tool.

Wow.  Really?  That's funny.  None of the news sites I've gone to are covering it, not even Fox News!

Really? The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick made a ruling in Berg v. Obama? That's funny. It doesn't show up on the court's list of Recent Rulings [1] or on Justia.com's [2] listing for that court case.

Are you sure you're not just being suckered by another one of Berg's unsubstantiated press releases? Something like Press Release: Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama found on ObamaCrimes.com.

[1] http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/usrecent.asp

[2] http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

...and after snoopy's post above and this last piece of "Breaking news",Current Rightwingblowhard just disappeared... big surprise.

Yep.  That's the schtick.