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October 28, 2008 12:10 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Rush Limbaugh distorted comments by Sen. Barack Obama in a 2001 radio interview and falsely characterized Obama as "an anti-constitutional professor" who has "flatly rejected" the U.S. Constitution. Obama made the comments in a panel discussion of how the Founders addressed the issue of slavery in the Constitution; he did not reject it, as Limbaugh falsely claimed, but called it "a remarkable political document."

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Distorting comments by Sen. Barack Obama from a 2001 radio interview, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh falsely characterized Obama as "an anti-constitutional professor" who has "flatly rejected" the U.S. Constitution. Obama made the comments in a panel discussion of how the Founders addressed the issue of slavery in the Constitution; he did not reject it, as Limbaugh falsely claimed, but called it "a remarkable political document."

During his October 27 broadcast, Limbaugh said: "Obama, ladies and gentlemen, calls himself a constitutional professor or a constitutional scholar. In truth, Barack Obama was an anti-constitutional professor. He studied the Constitution, and he flatly rejected it. He doesn't like the Constitution, he thinks it is flawed, and now I understand why he was so reluctant to wear the American flag lapel pin. Why would he?" Limbaugh later added, "I don't see how he can take the oath of office" because "[h]e has rejected the Constitution."

Limbaugh's assertion that Obama "rejected the Constitution" is false, as is clear from a clip from a September 6, 2001, interview on Chicago public radio station WBEZ that Limbaugh aired later in the show. In fact, while saying that the Constitution "reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day," Obama asserted that the Constitution is "a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now."

In a preceding portion of the WBEZ program -- titled "Slavery and the Constitution" -- Obama explained that the "fundamental flaw" was that "[t]he Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the framers," and that the framers did not "see[] it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth." Without airing that part of the WBEZ program, in which Obama explained his position that the Constitution reflected the "fundamental flaw of this country," Limbaugh criticized Obama for saying that the Constitution reflected a "fundamental flaw," while falsely accusing Obama of saying the flaw cannot "be fixed": "How is he going to -- I asked this earlier -- how is he gonna place his hand on the Bible and swear that he, Barack Hussein Obama, will uphold the Constitution that he feels reflects the nation's fundamental flaw. Fundamental. When he talks about a fundamental flaw, he's not talking about a flaw that can be fixed. Fundamental means that this document is, from the get-go, wrong."

But Obama's identification of a fundamental flaw reflected in the Constitution and "continu[ing] to this day" is hardly unique; several influential Republicans, including President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have articulated a similar view:

  • At a July 19 event at the Council on Foreign Relations, Rice said: "In our first Constitution, my ancestors were three-fifths of a man. What does that say about American democracy at its outset? I've said it's a great birth defect. And we have had to overcome a birth defect. And, like any birth defect, it continues to have an impact on us. It's why we have such a hard time talking about race, and dealing with race."
  • During a July 10, 2003, interview on CNN's Larry King Live, former Secretary of State Colin Powell said: "It took us a while to recognize that we could not live our Constitution truly unless we eliminated slavery, and hundreds of thousands of young men fought a civil war to end slavery and then it took us a long time to get rid of the vestiges of slavery and we're still working on it to this very day."
  • In July 8, 2003, remarks made at Goree Island in Senegal, Bush said that the "moral vision" of abolitionists "caused Americans to examine our hearts, to correct our Constitution, and to teach our children the dignity and equality of every person of every race." He added: "The racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation. And many of the issues that still trouble America have roots in the bitter experience of other times."

Additionally, in an August 5, 2006, interview with C-SPAN's Brian Lamb, Chief Justice John Roberts said of the authors of the Constitution: "They never worked out what to do about slavery and just kind of shuttled that aside and decided we're not going to talk about that. And that taint in the Constitution, took a Civil War to remove." Later in the interview, he said that the Constitution's amendment process "did allow some fundamental flaws to be addressed like slavery -- abolished in the Thirteenth Amendment."

Limbaugh also falsely asserted that during a separate 2001 interview Obama did with WBEZ, Obama said that "if he can come up for a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts, he would do it." Obama actually said that while he could likely develop a legal theory for making economic changes through the courts, he did not think it would work "as a practical matter."

Limbaugh aired an audio clip from the January 18, 2001, interview on WBEZ in which Obama asserted, "You know, the court's just not very good at it, and politically, it's just -- it's very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So, I mean, I think that, although, you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally -- you know, I think you can, any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts." Limbaugh then added, "Right, redistribution. This is how he views the Supreme Court. This is -- he will have the power to populate it with people who believe in these very things." But Limbaugh clipped Obama's comments; Obama actually said: "I think you can, any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts -- I think that, as a practical matter, our institutions just are poorly equipped to do it" [emphasis added]. Indeed, earlier in the interview, Obama stated: "You know, maybe I'm showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but, you know, I'm not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn't structured that way."

From the October 27 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: Obama, ladies and gentlemen, calls himself a constitutional professor or a constitutional scholar. In truth, Barack Obama was an anti-constitutional professor. He studied the Constitution, and he flatly rejected it. He doesn't like the Constitution, he thinks it is flawed, and now I understand why he was so reluctant to wear the American flag lapel pin. Why would he? He says "and, to that extent, as radical as, I think, people try to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren court interpreted it in the same way that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties -- it says what the states can't do to you, it says what the federal government can't do to you. But it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf." Good Lord, ladies and gentlemen. I don't see how he can take the oath of office, which is this: "I do solemnly swear or affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." He has rejected the Constitution.

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LIMBAUGH: Here's more Obama. He has to add that if he can come up for a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts, he would do it.

OBAMA [audio clip]: You know, the court's just not very good at it, and politically, it's just -- it's very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So, I mean, I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally -- you know, I think you can, any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts --

LIMBAUGH: Right, redistribution. This is how he views the Supreme Court. This is -- he will have the power to populate it with people who believe in these very things. How is he going to -- I asked this earlier -- how is he gonna place his hand on the Bible and swear that he, Barack Hussein Obama, will uphold the Constitution that he feels reflects the nation's fundamental flaw. Fundamental. When he talks about a fundamental flaw, he's not talking about a flaw that can be fixed. Fundamental means that this document is, from the get-go, wrong.

OBAMA [audio clip]: I think we can say that the Constitution reflected a enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the framers had that same blind spot. I don't think the two views are contradictory to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.

LIMBAUGH: That's not even true. Even if you refuse to call it a fundamental flaw -- just remove the word fundamental -- he is saying, seven years ago, this country has made no progress whatsoever on the official status of black citizens going back to the days of the founding. That simply is not true. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died. The Constitution was a document set up to fix itself, to allow itself to be repaired in the area of individual liberty, and it has been far more than anybody would have ever dreamed back in the days of the founding.

From the September 6, 2001, broadcast of Chicago Public Radio's Odyssey:

HOST: Barack Obama, what are your thoughts on the Declaration and Constitution?

OBAMA: Well, you know, I think it's a remarkable document. I think --

HOST: Which one?

OBAMA: The original Constitution, as well as -- as well as the Civil War amendments, but I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture -- the colonial culture nascent at that time. African-Americans were not -- first of all, they weren't African-Americans. The Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the framers. I think that, as [program co-panelist] Richard [John] said, it was a nagging problem in the same way that, these days, we might think of environmental issues or some other problem that, where you have to balance, you know, cost-benefits, as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth. And, in that sense, I think we can say that the Constitution reflected a enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the framers had that same blind spot. I don't think the two views are contradictory to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.

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    • Author by worrierking (October 28, 2008 12:15 pm ET)
         

      The right has finally found their copy of the constitution. They lost it in 2001. It was probably in the lock box where they've been keeping John McCain's soul.

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    • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 12:17 pm ET)
         

      Hmmm, Max Dharma.... Rush Limbaugh.... 3 syllables each. Coincidence?

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      • Author by wzwriter (October 28, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
           

        And each has three functioning brain cells.  Another coincidence?

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        • Author by djasper2761 (October 28, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
             

          without the dendrites however, their 3 neurons have nothing to do. This is evident in what they say. limpbahaha had to hang a pork chop around his neck to get his dog to come to him. Problem is, limpbahaha keeps eating the pork chops with oxies for desert.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 12:20 pm ET)
         

      America has a flaw?  OMFG!  How will we cope?  What shall we do?

      How can we elect a man who.... who..... thinks we're not....... PERFECT?

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      • Author by wookie (October 28, 2008 12:51 pm ET)
           

        In the immortal words of Bart Simpson

        "Hey America, you're so fine! You're so fine you blow my mind! Hey America!"

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 12:21 pm ET)
         
      S Rush kimbaugh is now a constitutional scholar ? I noticed of late he has been calling his lifeline, Greta Van susteren over at FOX giving advive.
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    • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 12:25 pm ET)
         

      "he is saying, seven years ago, this country has made no progress whatsoever on the official status of black citizens going back to the days of the founding."

      Gee, Rush, where did he say that?  As ever, Pigboy aptly demonstrates his mastery of the Straw Man Fallacy.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 28, 2008 12:32 pm ET)
           

        There used to be a handful of posters here who admitted to being Rush fans. You hardly ever see that anymore. Is Rush getting too stoopid for his target audience? Is that possible?

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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 12:37 pm ET)
             

          My son drives a truck and listen's to Limbaugh all day long. He quotes rushie all the time, verbatim. Truth hasn't found them all ...yet.

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 28, 2008 12:43 pm ET)
               

            I'm sure it's no reflection on you, Wolf. Sometimes kids go bad!  ;0)

             "When he talks about a fundamental flaw, he's not talking about a flaw that can be fixed. Fundamental means that this document is, from the get-go, wrong."

            Aside from the fact that Obama mentioned a flaw with the country, not the Constitution, haven't we all agreed that "fundamentals" are working people?

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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 12:55 pm ET)
                 

              he is just hurting himself. His social life with his high school  friends has pretty much come to a standstill. Nobody likes to listen to a robotic rant for very long. He will figure things out eventually and get invited to poker parties again.

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              • Author by djasper2761 (October 28, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
                   

                He has the cash to get the hers to poke. That is what you are talking about, isn't it?

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          • Author by wookie (October 28, 2008 12:46 pm ET)
               

            My wingnut brother handed me a Jonah Goldberg column so I could "learn" something. I wonder when these people will figure out what opinion means?

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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 1:17 pm ET)
                 

              that is funny./ My son's myspace quotes Jonah Goldberg as one of his heroes ? Weird cultist thing.

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          • Author by wzwriter (October 28, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
               

            My son drives a truck and listen's to Limbaugh all day long. He quotes rushie all the time, verbatim.

            It sounds like your son's truck should be checked for excessive carbon monoxide levels......

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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
                 

              or diesel fumes....he is happy and that ultimately is what matters. until he finds out he is revering a voice on the radio, not a warm fuzzy body that remembers his birthday every year..

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        • Author by neon desert (October 28, 2008 12:47 pm ET)
             

          Not stoopid - scared.

          I heard limpaugh yesterday, and among his new lies I genuinely heard fear in his voice and in his words.  He's frightened, just like most the rightys.  Their made-up world is crumbling around them, and they're terrified of what challenges reality will present.  When you're curled up in the corner, sweating bullets, you're not very likely to be boasting about the guy that led you there.

          But speaking of stoopid, also heard Hannity advising how "fear is a great motivator".  Huh.  Suppose he recognizes how America has been manipulated by his hero King George over the past 8 years?  Naaaawwww......

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          • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 12:56 pm ET)
               

            There is a real possibility that the Republican Party as we know it will not exist after this election.  I know that's wishful thinking, but we already have signs of a Troglodyte faction coalescing around Palintwit, and they are threatening to "excommunicate" those who spoke out against her.  

            Is it possible that the Country Club/Intellectual Republicans are ready to cut loose from the Evangelical monster they have created over the past few decades?  If they do, it will leave the Troglodytes in their own little world,  rallying behind a halfwit phony populist with good legs.  Oh what a wonderful day that would be!

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            • Author by carlileb5935 (October 28, 2008 8:05 pm ET)
                 

              Is it possible that the Country Club/Intellectual Republicans are ready to cut loose from the Evangelical monster they have created over the past few decades? 

              All 3 of them?

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          • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 12:57 pm ET)
               

            I just listened to the repeat of this show on the way back from lunch. Apparantly the constitution is a contract of negative liberties that spell out what the government CAN"T do and the civil rights movement fogged over the role of government by making americans think the government is ALLOWED to do things for the people. What a maroon!

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        • Author by worrierking (October 28, 2008 12:49 pm ET)
             

          I think "Stupid" is getting pretty trendy these days. Especially among the Palintologists. They went wild as she condemned the governments spending money on fruit fly research the other day. But that also could have been because she said we were spending the money in France.

          She was able to melt her anti-science crusade and her French xenophobia into a fresh, bold, steaming pile of manure for her fern like audience to absorb.

          Sorry if any house plants took offense.

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 28, 2008 1:04 pm ET)
               

            Only elitists know how to spell stoopid correctly. French Swine!

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            • Author by MiddleLeft (October 28, 2008 2:53 pm ET)
                 

              Only elitists know how to spell stoopid

              Wonderful comment thanks. Best laugh of the day.  Speaking of stupid did you notice in the transcript the great consitutional scholar Rush apparently believes the president takes the oath of office with his hand on a Bible.  Is he that clueless?


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          • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 1:23 pm ET)
               

            The funniest part of the "Fruit Fly" story is that the results of the research were intended to benefit kids with autism.  DOH!  (As I remember from biology class, Fruit Flies have large chromosomes, which are ideal for research.)  

            That's what happens when you elect politicians who don't believe in science.

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          • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
               

            OOPS!  More dissent within the Grampy/Twit camp.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top-mcc_n_138523.html

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        • Author by wzwriter (October 28, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
             

          There used to be a handful of posters here who admitted to being Rush fans. You hardly ever see that anymore.

          There's not around any more because the nice young men in their clean white coats finally showed up and took them away ... to the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basketweavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and their toes......

          :-)

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    • Author by lakuip (October 28, 2008 12:36 pm ET)
         

      I love the way he emphasizes "negative", as though that's a really damning point.  I guess if you listen to Rush, you'd be saying to yourself "WOW, that Obama sure is negative!!"  What moron this guy is and always has been.

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    • Author by BeachSaint (October 28, 2008 12:41 pm ET)
         

      Joe Scarborough also referenced this today. Andrea Mitchell tried to correct him but didn't know all the facts. You should email your re.search to MSNBC

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
           

        Joe is hard to figure out.  Sometimes he exhibits signs of a reasonable intellect, then he will turn around a lapse into his Republican talking points.  It's maddening to watch.

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    • Author by neon desert (October 28, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
         

      Speaking of "fundamental flaws", taking the oath of office while placing one's hand on a bible could be one of our most fundamental flaws of tradition.  Beyond its utilization as a tool to uncover demonstrable hypocrites, it's a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

      limpaugh bringing it up is an obvious pander to his audience.  I wonder, will he bring it up today when he refers to Ted Stevens conviction and obvious betrayal of his oath to God?

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      • Author by mary59 (October 28, 2008 1:09 pm ET)
           

        Here's Limbaugh on his daily walk, getting ready to take his morning oath to betray the American people: 

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        • Author by princeofwheels (October 28, 2008 1:20 pm ET)
             

          You angry libruls are so insensitive..I read on the internets that Rushs' implants aren't working properly which is why he is on tilt. However, the implants in his ears must be going bad also. He seems to have a disconnect between his ears and his Oxy-clouded brain. But he wouldn't be Rush if he couldn't speak poorly of someone. And what is the Jobama stuff from Mr. Snowmobiles wife?

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
               

            I read on the internets that Rushs' implants aren't working properly which is why he is on tilt.

            Yeah, his breast implants are making him lean forward a bit too much...

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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 29, 2008 9:34 am ET)
             

          Thanks for the good laugh, Mary, but everyone knows that Rush is less cute and more destructive than the Stay-Puf Marshmallow Man.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 1:31 pm ET)
           

        One little fact that many don't know is that the Presidential oath in the Constitution DOES NOT contain the words "so help me God."

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        • Author by magnolialover (October 28, 2008 1:54 pm ET)
             

          Also that they're not required to place a hand on the Bible at all...

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 28, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
               

            But, in as much as so many choose to, it is worth pointing out that they place their hand on the bible and swear to uphold the constitution, not the other way around.

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            • Author by MiddleLeft (October 28, 2008 2:59 pm ET)
                 

              they place their hand on the bible and swear to uphold the constitution,

              Can anyone confirm that is a fact?  I understood no religious oath is permitted by the constitution.  I thought the bible is used only in the photo shoot after the oath has been given.  Or is that only for senators.?

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
                   

                I understood no religious oath is permitted by the constitution.

                It is permitted, but no religious oath is required.

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                • Author by magnolialover (October 28, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
                     

                  Exacrtly, and again, they're not pledging to defend the Bible, they're taking an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. As in:

                  "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

                  Some, or all, that is, have used the Bible to swear on, because the folks who have sworn on it, have regarded it as a document that they wouldn't lie against. If someone didn't want to swear on the Bible, they wouldn't have to, or shouldn't have to. Thing is, you won't ever see that. Imagine, a president of these United States not taking his/her oath on a Bible? They'd never see a second term, just because of that. Silly, but true.

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                  • Author by djasper2761 (October 28, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
                       

                    Would it be ok if there was a copy of Ebonoy Magazine on top of the Bible? Just curious as I am an Obama guy!

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                  • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 28, 2008 5:36 pm ET)
                       

                    I am guessing GW Bush forgot the preserve part !

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                    • Author by Missouri Democrat (October 28, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
                         

                      Wolf he forgot all of the oath. All I know is when I joined the military I held up my right hand and repeated "I do solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic and that I will bear true faith and alligence to same." Or something to that effect, gimme a break it's been over 20 years ago, but I never put my hand on a bible as there were too many of us in the room. All I know is that was among the beginnings of Bush's lies it went downhill from there.

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                • Author by carlileb5935 (October 28, 2008 8:09 pm ET)
                     

                  I understood no religious oath is permitted by the constitution...

                  (It is permitted, but no religious oath is required.)

                  No religious test. It's not a religious oath, that's how they get away with it.

                  They don't have to use a Bible-- didn't Congressman Keith R. use a Koran last year?

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      • Author by doggone-ga (October 28, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
           

        "Speaking of "fundamental flaws", taking the oath of office while placing one's hand on a bible could be one of our most fundamental flaws of tradition.  Beyond its utilization as a tool to uncover demonstrable hypocrites, it's a clear violation of the separation of church and state"

        That's right!  They should have to put their hand on the CONSTITUTION!

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    • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 1:47 pm ET)
         

      Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.
      Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.

      All I can say is "Lord, Have mercy on us!"
       
      According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:  The anti-Christ will
      be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with
      persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says
      that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,
      and when he is in power, will destroy everything..

      Do we recognize this description??

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (October 28, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
           

        Its my barrista! I knew it! See if he gets anymore tips from me!

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        • Author by neon desert (October 28, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
             

          Now, now... Calm down.  Do not deprive your barrista of his well-earned monetary gifts.  Behold the words of this biblical scholar:

          "Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.
          Almost a four-year term of a Presidency."

          Key word: "ALMOST".  That means that we have to expect some wiggle room in that description.  And the description I recognize is that of George Bush, who flocked up world peace, destroyed everything, and showed what false hope was all about.  Now THAT's what I call "almost".  So rest easy.  The end times have come and gone, and the Lord already had mercy on us.  Except for teh gays.  He didn't fix them.  But that was just as a reminder of His awesome power.

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          • Author by eweston8542983 (October 28, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
               

            End of the World, the serial.

            One from David Ossman's "How Time Flies."

            Two groups of Aliens, one set giant naked females of course, are attacking oil wells and buildings. Mark Time: :"See that one humping the Entire State Building? They do that all the time!"

            In the middle of it Gary Owens and Wolfman Jack are sharing a carnival ride. Gary turns to Jack and asks,"Ever see anything like this before?"

            Jack inhales deeply and says,"Not sense 64."

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      • Author by worrierking (October 28, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
           

        You people never cease to amaze me.

        You're so hung up on Revelation yet you ignore the Sermon on the Mount.

        You've got a nice book there. You can learn some great lessons. I'd suggest you read some of the other chapters.

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      • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 1:55 pm ET)
           

        Yup, I can recognize from your posting that you are indeed a right wing loonytoonz.

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      • Author by magnolialover (October 28, 2008 1:55 pm ET)
           

        Also, the mere fact that revelations says nothing about being of Muslim descent, as Islam was not a religion when revelations was "written".

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        • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:00 pm ET)
             

          Thank you for pointing that out.  Seems that the Evangelical nutbags don't know a hell of a lot about what is and isn't in the Bible.  That's why they are so easily duped by the Con artists who pose as "Men of God".

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      • Author by princeofwheels (October 28, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
           

        I got it...The screenplay for Borats' new movie....

        But if you are referring to Obama, I thought he WAS the messiah which makes McCain the anti-christ..are you saying McCain is of Muslim descent? I was just reading the Koran and didn't see this written in that book.

        Please, if you are going to reference a book, please list the name of the book and the author..THANK YOU

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
           

        Hey, maybe Palintwit is really Lilith!

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:05 pm ET)
           

        Oh, by the way, genius.... it's the Book of "Revelation", not "Revelations".  Go back to Sunday School.

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      • Author by losingfaith (October 28, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
           

        Do you bother looking into what other people/emails tell you? There's no mention of anyone of Muslim descent, nor does it mention an age in Revelations 13. Someone just added those details to trick incurious people like you. Try thinking for yourself now and again. Life makes a lot more sense that way.

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      • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
           

        I never said I agreed with this - nor did I say or imply which political affiliation I adhere to.  I just thought it was an interesting statement.  It's being posted and talked about all over - the exact historical accuracy isn't as important as the accuracy in which it describes a lot of Obama's supporters.  I don't know if either of the candidates can really make a huge difference in the challenges that face this nation, but what does scare me is the look of blind adoration in the faces of the majority of the supporters in Obama's audiences.  I honestly think that Obama could uncatagorically denounce every statement and promise he's made so far and the majority of his follwoers would still vote for him anyway - scary.

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        • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:11 pm ET)
             

          I guess you haven't looked at a picture of the Troglodytes fawning over Palintwit at her rallies, have you?  

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          • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
               

            Oh, I agree that there's a certain amount of people - especially younger guys, that thinks she's the bomb; but they aren't glazed over like some evengelical born-again Christian or fanatical muslim listening to their annointed leader at a rally.  It's ok to support whomever you like - but following anyone blindly is dangerous.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:21 pm ET)
                 

              "but they aren't glazed over like some evengelical born-again Christian"

              Maybe not "glazed over"..... more like foaming at the mouth.

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            • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
                 

              Yeah, sure. That's why there's a bloodbath going on in republican circles and blind love of Palin is the litmus test. She'll be running for president sho' nuff!

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              • Author by rugbyref (October 28, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
                   
                That's a fine picture, Snoop, but I think it is a forgery as there appears to be a minority in the shot along with Santa. Didn't the repubs fold up the big tent?
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        • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:13 pm ET)
             

          The post DID have my intended result though - lots of folks attacked it and me like a school of pirhana's on a side of raw beef.  My liberal friends here at the office didn't believe me when I said this would happen if I posted that - thanks for proving me right - they are appalled.  It's amazing the name-calling on here.  This adds merit to the 'blind adoration' observation.  Only in far-left environments do people seem to get viciously attacked for their comments, etc.  It's ok to disagree - and even pose reciprocating arguements and opinions - but the name-calling and condescending vitriol is way over the top.

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          • Author by princeofwheels (October 28, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
               

            But you posting was not truthful..I think that you were trying to be cute but got called on it so you retreat to the Limbaugh Rule of Insanity...I WAS JUST JOKING. Believe KarateKid, I tried to joke about something here one time and my post got thumped. Quit crying, your post did not work.

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            • Author by princeofwheels (October 28, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
                 
              Forgot to add....jujitsu..ever hear of Proud Democrat..same like of logic. PD, it that really you?
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            • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
                 

              I am absolutely not joking.  This is not a laughing matter.  We are about to vote in the most important election of our lifetimes.  I want this country to be great.  At the end of the day I don't care who leads it to that end, but the answer is not just to vote for someone that just says what you want to hear.  I'd rather have a person tell me honestly that they don't know how to fix things - but that they will put every effort and resource into finding the solutions - than someone who spouts false truths and statements that just sound good.

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              • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                   

                We're still waiting for McCain to actually tell us what any of his plans are. Every one of his rallies are about saying what he thinks is wrong with Obama's plans. He has yet to say what he plans on doing.

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              • Author by thomp.steve9098 (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                   

                do you have any examples of Obama's "false truths"?

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              • Author by losingfaith (October 28, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
                   

                And you can prove that what Obama is saying is False and what McCain is saying is True? There's absolutely NO way you can KNOW that let alone prove it.

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              • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:36 pm ET)
                   

                "the answer is not just to vote for someone that just says what you want to hear"

                But, Jismstu,  that's a proud American tradition.... why do you hate Democracy?

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              • Author by worrierking (October 28, 2008 2:46 pm ET)
                   

                It's not a laughing matter but that didn't stop you from posting a ridiculous comment referencing a book of the Bible about which you know nothing and then claiming that we on the left are not taking this serious. And you say you told your co-workers before you posted this that it would cause trouble.

                You've only proven to everyone that you're nothing but a shìt stirrer.


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              • Author by loonz (October 28, 2008 3:53 pm ET)
                   

                At the end of the day I don't care who leads it to that end, but the answer is not just to vote for someone that just says what you want to hear.

                Does this mean you're voting for Barack?

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              • Author by magnolialover (October 28, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
                   

                See, your first post was a bunch of BS, and we called you on it, and called you ignorant, which you were in posting that bunch of, well, BS. It's not true what you said about the Book of Revelation, and if you're going to quote biblical passages, and pass them off as some sort of relevant political discussion (which they're not in my opinion), then you should at least post something, you know, from the Bible. What you posted was made up by people who wanted to attack Obama as being the anti Christ. As I mentioned before, when Revelation was written, Islam was NOT a religion. Get it? Not a religion. Mohammed had not even been born yet. Hard to accuse a Muslim of being the anti Christ, when said religion didn't even exist when you think it did.

                That was your ignorant premise, not ours. You posted a bunch of crap, and now you're mad that we called you stoopid? Yeah, OK. Welcome to reality.

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          • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
               

            Oooooo..... I'm so ashamed.  Pardon me while I go flagellate myself.

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          • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
               

            Thanks for proving me right! I just bet my right wing co-worker $10 bucks that you would make some idiotic claim about "testing the waters" after being exposed as a nutbag. He couldn't believe you'd actually be so stupid, and he's ashamed you are a mccain supporter.

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            • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                 

              Typical.  Anything and everything is turned around just so you can justify your beliefs.  I didn't come on here to convince anyone of anything - I always come on here to be entertained.  Today was defintiely time well spent!  ;-)

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              • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
                   

                Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained?

                Oh, didn't have to turn anything around to justify my beliefs. You did nothing to make me question anything. Pretty arrogant of you to think you did, I might add...

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
                   

                I always come on here to be entertained.

                And yet you always leave here embarrassed.

                FAIL.

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          • Author by losingfaith (October 28, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
               

            "Only in far-left environments do people seem to get viciously attacked for their comments, etc."

            You are either dishonest or ignorant. I use to go to many right side blogs/sites and was constantly attacked when only presenting facts and not really even addressing the poster at all except to identify who stated what. I was kicked off a few sites for just showing opposing facts. If you're upset because people are expressing frustration with trying to get through to people that regurgitate the obviously false talking points, perhaps you should start looking into what you're being told and stop posting such ridiculous drivel.

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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
                 

              You are either dishonest or ignorant.

              OK, be fair, it's entirely possible he's both, as those terms are not mutually exclusive.

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          • Author by Brabantio (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
               

            I'm absolutely convinced that the liberals in your office were simply aghast that other liberals smacked down your comments about Obama being the antichrist.  That sure has the ring of truth to it.

            And making that suggestion isn't over-the-top at all, of course.

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 28, 2008 2:28 pm ET)
               

            Dude - on conservative sites the liberal comments and halfway intelligent opposition arguments aren't even left up.  For discussion.  I'll takle the free (and occasionally abbrasive) exchange here ANY DAY.

            As for the name calling?  Pul-lease.  We don't even HAVE a "name" for McCain.  How many does your lot have for Obama?  (The ONE, the messiah, terrorist, socialist, the re-distributor, Hussein... how many am I forgetting?)  Your whole CAMPAIGN has been nothing but name-calling and vitirol.

            In the words of John Stossel, "Give me a break!"

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          • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
               

            Here's a little experiment for you, Jismstu.... go over to Free Republic and post something negative about Palintwit.... then get back to us.

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          • Author by pete592 (October 28, 2008 2:46 pm ET)
               

            Jsmestu: "The post DID have my intended result though - lots of folks attacked it and me like a school of pirhana's on a side of raw beef."

            In other words, you are a self-confessed TROLL.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
               

            like a school of pirhana's

            Would those be found in the Book of Revelations (sic)? Or are you talking about piranhas?

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        • Author by princeofwheels (October 28, 2008 2:14 pm ET)
             

          jujitsu, I thought that if you didn't like your government that you can vote to throw them out of office. Now that it is being done, the RIGHT doesn't like the selection of the VOTERS so they try hard to let everyone know that THIER personal choice is wrong. And by the looks of it, people will do what they think is best and not listen to the CryBabies on the radio. I remember now, it was the Bible but I am still not so sure who wrote and when. Was it Corsi?

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        • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:15 pm ET)
             

          "MASSIVE Christ-like appeal"

          Yeah, you'll see that at a Jonas Brothers concert, too.  What's your point?

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          • Author by jsmestu (October 28, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
               

            EXACTLY - But the Jonas brothers aren't running for the highest office in the land!  Thanks for making my point.  No politcian should be adored like the scores of adoring, doe-eyed, brain-washed fans at a rock concert!  LOL!

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            • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
                 

              I'm confused.... are the Jonas Brothers the Anti-Christ?

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              • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (October 28, 2008 8:08 pm ET)
                   

                Yes...and Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus is the Whore of Babylon.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                 

              So, I take it that you are not concerned about the scores of adoring, doe-eyed, brain-washed fans at the Palintwit rallies?

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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 28, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
                   

                And how about the massive Christ-like appeal of Jesus Christ? Does that make Him unfit to lead, and anybody who follows Christ an idiot? I'd be careful throwing around anti_Christian rhetoric like that, Jusmestoo.

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            • Author by pete592 (October 28, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
                 

              NO, NOT EXACTLY.

              Throngs of voters are not looking to the Jonas brothers for leadership at our nation's desperate hour.

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            • Author by magnolialover (October 28, 2008 5:16 pm ET)
                 

              So, in order to be President, people can't like you? You're drinking some serious something, and I wish that I had some of it, because it's making you think funny.

              This is another McCain attack that he's used in the past and you're repeating it now. Saying that being popular is not good for being President, or something like that. Do you hhink maybe people listen to Obama speak, read his words about his policies and want he wants to do, and then maybe, just maybe, think that they can agree with him, and like him for what he stands for? I mean, come on, make a stretch, stop using work out old and tired republican attack lines, and come to the realization that you're just jealous that McCain isn't nearly as popular as Obama. If McCain drew 100,000 people to one of his rallies, that is ALL we'd hear about for years on end. Obama does it, and somehow we're just hypnotic zombies.

              Seriously, you guys have to come up with something new, or relavent, or maybe both.

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        • Author by Brabantio (October 28, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
             

          "It's being posted and talked about all over - the exact historical accuracy isn't as important as the accuracy in which it describes a lot of Obama's supporters."

          Yes it is, if you're going to point out "interesting" similarities between the antichrist and Obama.  Otherwise, you could apply the same logic to just about anyone who has a following.

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        • Author by snoopy (October 28, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
             

          Well gosh golly, why don't you ask the press to do a major expose then? It could be called "revelations and jsmestu's uncanny ability to know exactly what Obama really plans to do". Wow, I think yer onto something!

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        • Author by losingfaith (October 28, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
             

          "I never said I agreed with this..."

          Then why would you say:

          All I can say is "Lord, Have mercy on us!"

          "..nor did I say or imply which political affiliation I adhere to."

          Well it's not very hard to discerne when your post is a widely debunked (and completely ridiculous) right wing talking point. You're not actually trying to oconvince anyone that you think this could apply to McCain are you? The pathetic added details (40ish, Muslim descent) make sure it doesn't. That's the point of the idiotic talking point.

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
             

          I honestly think that Obama could uncatagorically denounce every statement and promise he's made so far and the majority of his follwoers would still vote for him anyway - scary.

          Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast?  If he did what you said, he'd be JOHN MCCAIN!  The GOP, and John McCain has all sold out each and every principal they ever held dear, and YOU PEOPLE STILL VOTE THEM!!! 

          So who got the problem here?  It's called PROJECTION.  Look it up.

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        • Author by doggone-ga (October 28, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
             

          "I never said I agreed with this"

          Yeah?  How about giving us the one that says the anti-christ will be EVERYTHING that Jesus was not...thereby implying, if not actually stating, that the anti-christ will be a WOMAN.  Or haven't you gotten that one yet?

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          • Author by PresidentNeglect (October 28, 2008 6:37 pm ET)
               

            Unless you believe Martin Luther, who started the protestant movement by declaring the Catholic Church to be the Anti-Christ.  Sadly, most American Protestants are ignorant of the history of their churches and the actual content of the Bible.

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            • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 29, 2008 9:47 am ET)
                 

              Sorry, PN, but your history is more than a little flawed.  Luther declared that the pope, not the church, was the Anti-Christ.  I am a Protestant, and am well versed in church history and content of the Bible.  If this were a theological discussion board, I would be happy to debate you on any Protestant/Roman Catholic issue.

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
             

          the exact historical accuracy isn't as important as the accuracy in which it describes a lot of Obama's supporters.

          Their accuracy is exactly the same - zero.

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 28, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
           

        You can't even get it right when you quote what Obama said the other day, or seven years ago, so it's no surprise to me how badly you bothed something that's over a milenium old.

        You funny-mentalists scare me.  Why should you even bother voting?  If it's all preordained, and the world's going to end anyway, why don't you just stay home and leave the governing of the country to those of us with vested long-term interests?

        You people are sofa king stupid.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 28, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
           

        Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months

        Actually, "Revelations" tells us nothing. The book is called the Book of Revelation. Singular. And it was written during a trip on psychedelic mushrooms.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 28, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
           

        Do we recognize this description??

        Oh yeah!

        Continually I get emails that start with :
        "Revelation Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.
        Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.
        All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'
        According to The Book of Revelation the anti-Christ is:
        The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will
        deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like
        appeal...the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false
        hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.."
        The email is later saying Barack Obama is the anti-christ and we will pay for our sins if he's elected. Are you people really this stupid? What bible are you reading from? Was it some sort of KKK bible? The King James Version of the bible (which most of Christian Faith reads) says NOTHING about a muslim being the anti-christ. NOTHING. It talks about a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. When I see that, I'll damn sure not elect him president. Until then, quit sending STUPID, uninformed emails until you go read ONE chapter in your bible.

        You don't have your bible?
        Google Link for search: Revelations Chapter 13 Try that. Not one of those will say the word Muslim on their pages. Search for it.
        Or try this:
        Urban Legends = Barack Obama AntiChrist Hoax

        Read Chapter 13 below.


        1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

        2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

        3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

        4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

        5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

        6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

        7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

        8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

        9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

        10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

        11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

        12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

        13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

        14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

        15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

        16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

        17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

        18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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      • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (October 28, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
           

        Um...you better ask for a new Bible.  The Islamic faith wasn't around when Revelations was written, so they couldn't say that the anti-christ would be a Muslim, since there was no such thing at the time.

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      • Author by mescal (October 29, 2008 3:11 am ET)
           

        WOW!

        The Bible specified that the antichrist would be of Muslim decent THAT MANY YEARS BEFORE THE BIRTH OF MOHAMMAD?

        Talk about impressive!

        Who did Revelation take in the 2009 Wrld's Series?

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (October 28, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
         
      Many phyisics theories will advance when and if Rush finally reaches so far that he can feel the ear on the opposite side of his head. Burfilling warfulbag, but I mean that in a good way.
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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
           

        Perhaps Rush will someday demonstrate the physical impossibility of extracting one's head from one's own ass once it has been therein posited.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 2:38 pm ET)
         

      Gee, I hope we didn't scare Jismstu away.... he was so much fun.

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      • Author by neon desert (October 28, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
           

        I think he was raptured off...

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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 29, 2008 9:53 am ET)
             

          Not a hope.  Christians--not just those who proclaim themselves to be--are not to bear false witness.  Jsmstu has given no indication at all that he actually believes what the Bible says.

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    • Author by loislap (October 28, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
         

      It is always instructive to read Rushbo's transcripts which are multi-tiered structures of insults,half truths and out right lies built on foundations of solid undiluted hatred.It's actually quite amusing to see how he twists the truth consistently to fit into his ridiculous charges and "arguments".He's like a bad work man who bends a pipe(lies) to get it to connect to another one,rather than choosing the correct one(the truth)in the first place.To think people look up to this horse's ass is embarrassing in the extreme.He's just so deeply,deeply dumb.

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    • Author by liberalsareantiamerican (October 28, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
         

      We are already seeing the wobble in Hussein Obama's tax plan.  Anyone who votes for Hussein is not just a fool, but a damned fool. 

      A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000.

      Adding to the confusion, Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, said in an interview yesterday the cuts are for even fewer people, limited to incomes of $150,000 or less.

      Depending on the source of information, just who will have their taxes raised and who will have them cut under Obama's plan varies.

      The campaign's homepage, for example, accessed today, reads, "Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers."

      Yet in the "Defining Moment" ad released on YouTube last week and viewable below, Obama says the tax cut "for 95 percent of working Americans" is only for those who make less than $200,000 per year.

      According to the 2006 IRS statistics published by the National Taxpayers Union, "95 percent of working Americans" only includes those making less than $153,542 per year.

      And now, Fox News reports Biden told a Scranton, Pa., TV station yesterday that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year."

      At a rally in Pennsylvania, CBS News reports, McCain took the opportunity to blast Obama as a candidate with more and more taxes on his mind.

      "Sen. Obama has made a lot of promises," McCain said. "First he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit – but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Sen. Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle class people – people making under 150,000 dollars a year.' You getting an idea of what's on their mind?"

      (Story continues below)

         

      "I'll launch a rescue plan for the middle class that begins with a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans," Obama says in the "Defining Moment" advertisement. "If you have a job, pay taxes and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut."

      The full "Defining Moment" advertisement can be seen below:

      The disparity in the numbers has Republican campaigners riled.

      The Obama campaign media site, The Record, quotes Tucker Bounds, spokesman for McCain-Palin saying, "By adjusting his tax increases to include anyone making more than $200,000, Barack Obama has reversed himself and issued a shifty new call for at least 1 million more hardworking Americans to be added to his plans for higher taxes."

      your taxes Biden's comments yesterday, however, have heated up criticism again.

      "You getting an idea of what's on their mind, huh? A little sneak peak," McCain said, according to Fox News. "It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just $42,000 a year should get a tax increase."

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
           

        Are you in the cubicle next to JismStu?

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 28, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
             

          I think it's cute when the wingnuts plagiarize the stuff they're falling for and copy & paste it here. It's like they don't realize this site is for people who are smarter than they are.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 28, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
           

        "A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000."

        Duh.  I knew that months ago.  He's never claimed otherwise.  What he says is that only people making OVER 250,000 will get a tax INCREASE.  The folks between 250,000 and 200,000 stay the same.

        Thanks for playing.

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      • Author by loonz (October 28, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
           

        Depending on whose numbers you use, the middle class ends anywhere from 100K to 150K in annual income.  Anyone at or below that threshold is in the group that Obama and Biden are most focused on.

        Anyone making 250K or less will either see a taxcut or their taxes won't be raised (somewhere in between 200K and 250K is the transition from taxcut to no taxcut). 

        Anyone making above 250K will see their taxes raised to what they were before the Bush taxcut.

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