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October 30, 2008 7:24 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On his radio show, Sean Hannity twice aired a cropped version of remarks that Sen. Barack Obama made in 2001 radio interview in which Obama stated, "There's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home." But Hannity left out Obama's next sentence: "You've got African Americans who are returning from the war with certain expectations in terms of, 'Why is it that I'm now in uniform and yet am denied more freedom here than I was in France or Italy?' "

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On the October 28 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Sean Hannity twice aired a cropped version of remarks that Sen. Barack Obama made in a January 18, 2001, WBEZ Chicago Public Radio interview in which Obama stated, "There's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home." But Hannity left out Obama's next sentence, in which Obama made clear that he was not comparing modern-day America to the doctrines of Nazism and that he was referring to the racial discrimination faced by African-American soldiers when they came home after fighting Nazi Germany during World War II.

Hannity played a clip of Obama stating:

There's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home.

Hannity then asked that the clip be played again "because some of the blogs have picked up that 'Obama comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany' story."

But Hannity left out the next sentence:

[T]here's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home. You've got African Americans who are returning from the war with certain expectations in terms of, "Why is it that I'm now in uniform and yet am denied more freedom here than I was in France or Italy?"

After airing the cropped version for the second time, Hannity stated: "He's comparing -- looking similar to what Nazism is back here at home? Has anybody picked up on this in the media?"

From the October 28 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:

HANNITY: Now, by the way, as part of this, I found here -- Greg, do you have that other tape that we hear comparing Americans -- I want you -- do you have that? All right, why don't you play this tape, and I want people to hear this.

OBAMA [video clip]: There's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home.

HANNITY: Play the rest of that, Greg. Now, I'm trying to understand here -- play it one more time here, because some of the blogs have picked up that "Obama comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany" story. Did you -- is that in the clip?

OBAMA [video clip]: There's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home.

HANNITY: He's comparing -- looking similar to what Nazism is back here at home? Has anybody picked up on this in the media? That was in the same tape that we were playing all the redistribution of wealth stuff from. Has anybody in the media decided maybe that's relevant to ask Barack Obama?

From the January 18, 2001, broadcast of the WBEZ's Odyssey program, "The Court and Civil Rights":

GRETCHEN HELFRICH (host): And this, I think, is part of what many academics and others are having so much trouble with today. Because now we have what I would argue, and -- excuse me -- what many would argue, is an activist court intervening in a number of areas like the commerce clause, for example, that it hadn't intervened in for many, many years after the New Deal. And we have people who were so supportive of the Warren court now asking that same question -- is it really the intervention or is it the content, and do we have a right to protest what we take to be a very anti-progressive or a content that's not protective of individual rights, when during the Warren era, we were all for federal intervention?

DENNIS HUTCHINSON (University of Chicago law professor): Well, let me give you an example of how hard it is to separate the questions of intervention and content. If you look at the first quarter-century of interpretation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, in other words, late 1860s to the turn of the century, I think there was pretty conventional agreement amongst those who supported the equal protection clause and a majority of the Supreme Court that if a state passed a law saying that a black can't serve on a jury, that's unconstitutional. And the reason is that that's a denial of civic equality. That was the 19th-century concept.

Whereas, telling a black that he or she can't sit in a theater stall with whites or can't sit in the same railroad carriage with whites is social equality. And it's only Justice [John] Harlan, in his famous dissent in Plessy versus Ferguson, who says there's no real difference, racial discrimination is racial discrimination. But, you know, to the 19th-century mind -- you remember, you watch the movie the Amistad, a lot of the abolitionists were real racist. And Lincoln himself was prepared to consider repatriation and colonization as late as early 1863, you know, to solve "the color problem" and all that sort of thing.

So our concept of what equality is and our concept of what is discrimination and invidious discrimination has changed socially and politically over time, and that's tied up in the question of intervention. Do you intervene when it's social inequality? Why, no. There will always be differences between the races and the genders and all that sort of thing. Well, socially, we've changed our view about that in the last 50 years, the last 100 years.

HELFRICH: And do you think that that -- would you link that to the way the court decided those cases, or some of them?

HUTCHINSON: I would say that that is an element. But in my own view is that what spurs the court, the Supreme Court of the United States, to greater intervention against the states in what they're doing is not the debate over child labor that Susan [Bandes, DePaul University law professor] brings up or minimum wages and maximum hours, but it's what happens between the wars, and it's what happens between the wars with respect to Southern justice.

The Supreme Court gets case after case in the 1920s and the 1930s of the most grotesque brutality against blacks meted out by Southern sheriffs and Southern justice and all that sort of thing -- the Scottsboro boys cases. There are a bunch of cases that, for professional listeners, I could list -- like Brown in Mississippi and Chambers in Florida and all that sort of thing -- where sheriffs say on the witness stand, "Well, we beat him several times, but he did confess." As if that doesn't violate any prescript of the Constitution.

Well, if you're revulsed enough as a lawyer and a judge, you don't worry too much about the nicety. Is it equal protection or due process that's being violated? You say, "This is just inconsistent with the constitutional design." I think that's the way a lot of the reasoning starts. And then after World War II, it really begins to take off, and it takes off as those decisions are developed and as the NAACP mounts a serious and sustained campaign, led by Thurgood Marshall, to attack Jim Crow, mainly in the public schools.

OBAMA: Right. And one of the things that, you know, should be pointed out -- a) The NAACP mounts a very systematic, thoughtful strategy to lay bare the contradictions that are already embodied in the doctrines and the ideological structures that the court is working with.

The second thing is, though -- just to take a sort of a realist perspective, is that there's a lot of change going on outside of the court that, you know, the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II. You've got the doctrines of Nazism that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home. You've got African Americans who are returning from the war with certain expectations in terms of, "Why is it that I'm now in uniform and yet am denied more freedom here than I was in France or Italy?"

And so you have a whole host of, I think, social conditions that are -- you know, that the court inevitably is influenced by. And I think it's important for us to realize that although Brown versus Board of Education may be one of those rare circumstances where the court is willing to get slightly beyond conventional opinion and sort of stake a place beyond sort of the political mainstream --

HELFRICH: Conventional social opinion.

OBAMA: Social opinion.

HELFRICH: OK.

OBAMA: But that's very rare. And even in the case of Brown, I think that there were a lot of social changes -- attitudinal changes of the sort that Dennis talked about, in terms of the distinction between political equality and social equality -- a lot of that baggage has to be eliminated before you see the Supreme Court being willing to venture out, you know, into the areas that it did.

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    • Author by snoopy (October 30, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
         

      Wow, what a neat trick! Crop a quote to fit your agenda and then villify Obama for saying something that he never really said! This must be christianity at it's finest.

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      • Author by rugbyref (October 30, 2008 8:27 pm ET)
           
        I feel sorry for that poor intern who has to listen the mush from this chickenhawk wimp. I can only handle about five minutes of his whining, scripted nonsense before my eyes start squirting out blood.
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        • Author by mary59 (October 31, 2008 8:59 am ET)
             

          Wow!  Happy Halloween! ;-)

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        • Author by captfoster2 (October 31, 2008 10:20 am ET)
             

          "I can only handle about five minutes of his whining, scripted nonsense before my eyes start squirting out blood. "

          Kinda sad huh..... the stupidist guy on TV (Hannity) was the most watched cable show the other night, by at least 20,000 over Olbermann. KO read this aloud on his show.

          I'm not sure which is worse... that the FoxNoise(makers) have so many followers or that Grampy/Caribu actually could win this thing on Tuesday?

          Which could exaserbate the hate and division within this country in more ways than this country may be able to take?

          I weep for my country and her future...

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          • Author by captfoster2 (October 31, 2008 10:22 am ET)
               

            oops... 'stupidist' (spelled wrong as well... shesh) should have been 'most stupid'

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            • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 10:53 am ET)
                 

              Oh, I don't know.... Stupidism describes Hanniturd's philosophy pretty well.

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          • Author by rms (October 31, 2008 12:51 pm ET)
               

            Stupidest?

            It is actually becoming a tough battle for that spot with all the idiocies coming out of Bill Cunningham lately...

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (October 31, 2008 12:34 am ET)
           

        Maybe these guys just can't grasp the basic principles of inference and implication, that ideas follow one another and there's a presumption that a first sentence in a statement is often the basis for a second.

        In other words, it could just be that these guys are really stupid, and this accounts for their completely missing the point.

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      • Author by fawltylogic (October 31, 2008 1:00 am ET)
           

        Hannity must have been ecstatic when he found this statement. Obama speaks in present tense too, even though when listening to the quote in context, it's clear he's talking about a different time in our history. Really, Hannity must have just shrieked with joy that Obama 7 years ago laid out a coherent, longer argument so ripe with soundbytes.

        This is disgusting and depressing. I'm dreading having to put up with this much longer.

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      • Author by tman418 (October 31, 2008 2:51 am ET)
           

        Snoopy, is it necessary to inject Christianity into Hannity's deceitful actions?

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        • Author by wzwriter (October 31, 2008 8:58 am ET)
             

          Snoopy, is it necessary to inject Christianity into Hannity's deceitful actions?

          Hannity automatically injects Christianity into his actions because he constantly refers to himself as a devout Catholic.  People like Hannity are the main reason I no longer call myself a Christian - I don't want to be associated with hate-filled losers like him.

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          • Author by mary59 (October 31, 2008 9:03 am ET)
               

            Jesus is not welcome in those kind of "Christian" churches.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 11:03 am ET)
                 

              They would consider Jesus a "Marxist".

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            • Author by wzwriter (October 31, 2008 11:04 am ET)
                 

              Jesus is not welcome in those kind of "Christian" churches.

              Tell that to the people who go to "those" churches.  They think they're doing God's work, when they are actually using a message of love to spread hate.

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      • Author by shaggles (October 31, 2008 5:47 pm ET)
           

        2008 seems to be the year of the cropped quote.

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    • Author by pbg (October 30, 2008 8:16 pm ET)
         

      We fought World War II with a racially segregated army. Hannity and the Right don't like being reminded of that, but it's absolutely true. And African Americans remember coming back in their military uniforms and having it mean absolutely nothing to white America.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (October 30, 2008 11:45 pm ET)
           

        I've always wondered why FDR did not integrate the armed forces.  Anyone have a clue?

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        • Author by roundhouse (October 30, 2008 11:57 pm ET)
             

          I've often wondered why modern Republicans reject the good government principles of Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower. Any clues? 

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        • Author by snoopy (October 31, 2008 12:02 am ET)
             

          I've always wondered why today's republican party decided to seek the racist and sexist vote. Anyone have a clue?

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          • Author by MickD (October 31, 2008 7:07 am ET)
               

            How does Murdoch, Ailes and Hannity sleep at night. Anyone have a clue?

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          • Author by historygeek001 (October 31, 2008 11:33 am ET)
               

            My theory:  fear plays, and they can use fear to replace actual thought.

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        • Author by wzwriter (October 31, 2008 9:21 am ET)
             

          I've always wondered why FDR did not integrate the armed forces.  Anyone have a clue?

          From what I've read, FDR was trying to integrate the armed forces by taking gradual steps.  The first step was having black and white units fight side-by-side during WWII, with the eventual goal being integrating the units, as Truman did by Executive Order in 1948.  But from what I've read in the past, FDR faced a lot of opposition from the top military brass, who wanted to concentrate on fighting the war instead of desegregating the troops.

          I did find the following though:

          By the start of World War II Roosevelt had begun to hone a policy of integration for African-Americans. Executive Order 8802 made it illegal for defense contractors to discriminate against employees based on race, color, or religion. On the other hand, however, Japanese-Americans were imprisoned on the West Coast and German aliens were required to register with the government. By 1943 African-Americans were fighting, and slowly other aspects of the armed services were integrating. Although Roosevelt had a positive record on moving the country toward an integrated society, some argue that he did too little.

          http://ourgeorgiahistory.com/ogh/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt

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    • Author by ajzito (October 30, 2008 8:30 pm ET)
         
      I'm not sure Hannity and the right care one way or the other about our history of a segregated military, or any other history. What I find frustrating is that precisely because Obama has said so many subtle, complex and interesting things, he is vulnerable to this cropping tactic (recently used on his long ago remarks regarding the supreme court). A cheerleader like Bush or McCain doesn't give one the same kind of material to work with, just the occasional bald-faced misstatement. I'm damned it I know what can be done about it, other that what MMFA is doing here.
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      • Author by steeve (October 30, 2008 10:02 pm ET)
           

        Almost every paragraph of every speech Bush has ever given has a bald-faced misstatement in it.  McCain is probably the same way, but I've stopped listening.  The republican party is dead to me for the rest of my life.

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        • Author by ajzito (October 30, 2008 10:59 pm ET)
             

          Boy, you are right, I had a definite miscount on the bald-faced lies.

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        • Author by MickD (October 31, 2008 7:09 am ET)
             

          It'a interesting that you said that (R's being dead). I've actually postulated during this election that it is immoral to vote Repub, given what they have done to this country.

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          • Author by commonsenseliberal (October 31, 2008 11:02 am ET)
               

            I would agree with you 100%.  I feel that the Republican party in general is anti-American and immoral.  I don't advocate any punishment for those who vote Republican, except for them to wallow in their failed policies, should they win. 

            There's a reason why I don't vote for Republicans.  Sure, call me partisan, I don't care.  I feel that the Republican, and even Conservative philosophy is so irretrievably flawed that it hardly deserves mention.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 30, 2008 9:29 pm ET)
         

      Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity twice aired a cropped version of remarks that Sen. Barack Obama made...

      This is what Sean Hannity does all the time. He crops a statement...sometimes even splicing pieces of statements together in ways that distort the meaning of the original comments.  Sean has good company, though, because this is exactly what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (sic) did in 2004 with John Kerry's staement before Congress after he returned from Viet Nam and opposed that war.

      Hannity was called out on this tactic by John Podesta when he (Hannity) did the exact same thing to John Dean. See here...

      http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/08/b138711.html

      For more of Hannity's documented lies, go here...

      http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b91585.html

      In short, Sean Hannity is a liar of the vilest sort.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (October 31, 2008 12:35 am ET)
           

        You sure he's not just stupid and reckless?

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (October 31, 2008 7:16 am ET)
             

          I think he's freakin' evil... But, if Hannity ever contracted a terminal illness I could see him doing a Lee Atwater and apologizing on his death bed for his wickedness. Hannity's a mental case. No normal person could lie with such such regularity and evil intent.

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        • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 10:38 am ET)
             

          I'm torn.   He shows no signs of critical thinking skills, but it's hard to imagine anybody stupid enough to believe the nonsense he spews.    I vote for evil sociopathic liar.

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          • Author by commonsenseliberal (October 31, 2008 11:05 am ET)
               

            I'm with you there.  I don't think Hannity is stupid.  I think he's just a lying sack of dog sh!t who cares nothing for the nation, but only his paycheck.  He thrives on devisive rhetoric - and he knows it.

            Please, Hannity knows he's a liar.  How could he not?

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          • Author by historygeek001 (October 31, 2008 11:44 am ET)
               

            I've got to agree with you, Nerzog.  Even complete stupidity does not excuse what he has done.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 30, 2008 9:29 pm ET)
         

      Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity twice aired a cropped version of remarks that Sen. Barack Obama made...

      This is what Sean Hannity does all the time. He crops a statement...sometimes even splicing pieces of statements together in ways that distort the meaning of the original comments.  Sean has good company, though, because this is exactly what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (sic) did in 2004 with John Kerry's staement before Congress after he returned from Viet Nam and opposed that war.

      Hannity was called out on this tactic by John Podesta when he (Hannity) did the exact same thing to John Dean. See here...

      http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/08/b138711.html

      For more of Hannity's documented lies, go here...

      http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b91585.html

      In short, Sean Hannity is a liar of the vilest sort.

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    • Author by jbraskin (October 30, 2008 10:13 pm ET)
         

      Why would anyone expect Hannity to speak honestly about Barack Obama?

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (October 30, 2008 10:42 pm ET)
         

      Let me get this straight.  HANNITY criticizes OBAMA. Right?  Hannity criticizes Barack Obama.  Let me understand this, O.K.  This slug, Hannity, calls Obama on something, anything, that Obama may or may not have said.  This is a "man" who could not wipe the mud from Obama's shoes and he criticizes him.  WOW.  I wish I could have the CHUZPAH to even talk about this man.  Hannity is now a "hero"?  Hannity is now a "patriot"?  Hannity is all of a sudden a watchdog of the public good?  Excuse me, but am I missing something, here?  Psst, Hannity, crawl back under your rock.

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    • Author by snoopy (October 30, 2008 11:20 pm ET)
         

      Oh, no! Right wing christians praying to a golden bull! What's a follower of Moses to do?

      Where's Charlton Heston when you need him?

      Category: Religion
      Posted on: October 29, 2008 9:59 PM, by PZ Myers

      Some Christian fanatics are concerned, quite reasonably, about the economy, and have chosen, quite absurdly, to try and correct the problem with prayer. So far, so typical, but then … well, they picked a peculiarly oblivious way to do it. They prayed before a statue of a golden bull on Wall Street.

      nice_idol_you_got_there.jpg
      We are going to intercede at the site of the statue of the bull on Wall Street to ask God to begin a shift from the bull and bear markets to what we feel will be the 'Lion's Market,' or God's control over the economic systems. While we do not have the full revelation of all this will entail, we do know that without intercession, economies will crumble.

      Just a clue: there's this book called "the bible" that these people claim to follow, but I suspect they've never actually read it, or they might have seen Exodus 32.

      golden_calf.jpg

      1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

       2And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

       3And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

       4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

       5And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

       6And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

       7And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

       8They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

       9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

       10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

      They even made a movie of it, if cracking a book is too highbrow.

      Trust me, this is one of those things in the Judeo-Christian heritage that never ends well. There's this jealous god who does smitings.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (October 30, 2008 11:52 pm ET)
           

        You say it so well, Snoopy.  There are a lot of us caught up in chasing the "Golden Calf" and need to be brought back to reality, which the market has done the last month or so. That being said, your graphic, at least to my leanings, points out the futility of relying to much on earthly things instead of the more spiritual things (compassion, charity, etc) in order for us to be good.

        Where do you find the time?

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        • Author by snoopy (October 31, 2008 12:05 am ET)
             

          Well, my factory is shutting down soon so I have lot's of free time these days.

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          • Author by Blueneck (October 31, 2008 1:40 am ET)
               

            Maybe Joe the Plumber is hiring.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 8:58 am ET)
                 

              No, Joe the F***ing Plumber paid so much in taxes that he can't afford to hire anybody..... oh...... wait..... he didn't pay his taxes, did he?

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              • Author by Blueneck (October 31, 2008 11:07 am ET)
                   

                Even better...Joe is not a Plumber (he never completed the training) and works in a non-Union shop (for Al Newell) as plumber's assistant. Then he has the audacity to display the union logo from Columbus Local 50 of the United Assn. of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry on his MySpace site. Local 50 has already formally endorsed Obama for president. In a just world someone would have dented the side of his head with a 48" Ridgid 31115 (light enough to swing but heavy enough to make the right kind of 'impression'.) But McCain made the right choice. If you are crawling through sewers to win an election a plumber's assistant is good to have on your staff. You don't have to pay them union wages. On the other hand you get what you pay for. What a think tank.

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      • Author by commonsenseliberal (October 31, 2008 11:13 am ET)
           

        If indeed there is a jealous G-d who smites, may s/he take notice of this nonsense and wreak havoc on those who deserve it.  Pray to that golden calf - just as the Bible says you shouldn't.

        And I just have to comment here:  Jealousy is strictly a human emotion.  A 'perfected' G-d wouldn't stoop to jealousy, as jealousy - to me - is an imperfect emotion based, in part, on envy of the things, feelings, ideas, etc that one doesn't find in him/herself.  I don't see G-d as jealous or envious of anything we mere humans have/say/do.  It's beneath him/her.

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    • Author by snoopy (October 31, 2008 12:29 am ET)
         

      hee hee. McCain's campaign HQ in New Hampshire. Priceless!

      mccain office closed_bf029.jpg

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (October 31, 2008 12:37 am ET)
           

        Snoopy you always spend your time wisely finding this stuff. keep it up!

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      • Author by steeve (October 31, 2008 2:51 am ET)
           

        What's a McCain office doing in a land of communists and terrorist sympathizers?

        If McCain would have realized at the outset that real americans only comprise 190 or so electoral votes, he could have saved us a lot of time.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 9:07 am ET)
         

      I know the election could still go either way, but, if Obama wins, I shall be overcome with Schadenfreude for the Screechmonkey Pussfaces like Hanniturd and PigBoy.  I visualize them somewhat like the Green Slimer being sucked into the Ghostbusters Trap as the reality sinks in.

      They'll be back with a vengeance, of course..... but they'll have to crawl back under their rocks and lick their wounds for a few days.... and thinking people can breathe the fresh air for a brief, wonderful moment.

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      • Author by captfoster2 (October 31, 2008 10:49 am ET)
           

        Nerzog...

        I get the feeling that the rightwing slime machine has been in full swing meetings ever since Obama became the nominee... so no... they won't crawl under their rocks... they will be vengful and do all they can to destroy this country... because they don't give a damn about this country... which is why...

        I think the rightwing was begging and nearly falling all over themselves trying to get Hillary as the front runner... they already had a bag and a half of vileness to use against her... but We the People voting just enough for it to be Obama... and so it has forced the rightwing into these 'meetings' ... and they are mad because of it... and so...

        They have gone into over-drive and I truly believe that some of the few bits and pieces that have been attempted (He's a muslim, rev Wright, Ayres) are tiny pieces of bait to see what may or may not stick... take it back to the meetings... mull it over... add and subtract... resend it out... refine as needed...

        No... I absolutely believe that FoxNoise / Republican leaders / paymasters / politicians are sending notes / faxes/ emails like mad trying to refine each message... they are not waiting for the inevitable before hand...

        It IS in full swing and rest assured... between Nov 5 and Jan 20 will be the most vile and disgusting time to date for the rightwing and their puppets on TV and radio and newspapers.

        May what ever God may be out there have mercy upon this troubled country!

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        • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 11:00 am ET)
             

          You may be right.  I remember the hysteria that enveloped the Right Wing when Clinton was elected;  he never had anything resembling a "honeymoon".   It will probably be worse with Obama..... I can imagine that they are drawing up impeachment papers as we speak, and will pour all of their recources into taking back the House in 2010.

          I expect to hear a lot more about the bogus Birth Certificate "controversy" in the coming months, as well as the bogus Acorn "controversy".  They will challenge the legitimacy of his election from the start.

          On the other hand, I still have a fantasy of the Rational Republicans revolting and taking their party back from the Evangelical Troglodytes, but I don't hold out much hope for that.

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          • Author by historygeek001 (October 31, 2008 12:15 pm ET)
               

            I think that the rational Republicans are a vanishing breed; most of those remaining are ignorant and don't want to face up to new facts.  People like John Dean are now considered either traitors or left-wing.  Whoever it was that said that Fascism would come to the U.S. wrapped in the flag was right.

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            • Author by Pyrrhonist (October 31, 2008 12:31 pm ET)
                 

              "...wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - it was Sinclair Lewis.  I am a lifelong Democrat, but I hate to see the more thoughtful and rational Republicans attacked by the rabid hordes on the radical right.  I do wonder what is in store for their party.  Both parties, as they were established, had reasonable governing principles at their cores. The system works best when the two parties are healthy and sane, and when one or the other goes off on a bender the other is tempted to engage in its own excesses because there is no credible opposition. It's just bad for the country. The GOP has to choose a path now.  I wonder if it will be the George Wills or the Sean Hannitys driving the bus this time next year.

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              • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 2:28 pm ET)
                   

                If Obama wins, we could see a civil war within the Republican party.  I'm guessing that Simple Sarah will emerge as the figurehead of the Troglodyte wing of the party.  They're just stupid enough to think she has leadership qualities.  Whether the Country Club Rationalists will turn away in disgust or suck it up and bend over yet again remains to be seen.

                 There is no doubt that the Nutbags have the stronger hand, since they have greater unity and probably greater numbers.  The Country Clubbers have the money and the brains, but they've profited greatly from their Faustian bargain with the Knuckledraggers over the past three decades.   I predict that they'll swallow their pride and crawl into the slime pit one more time.   Sad.

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        • Author by rms (October 31, 2008 1:05 pm ET)
             

          I don't think that time period (November 5th and January 20th) will be that bad, but I could be wrong.  I am about 99% certain that once Obama - should he win - takes the oath of office there will be non-stop smearing of the type we saw under Clinton.  The right will do everything they can to find (i.e. make up) things they can investigate, truth or the good-old-USA be damned.  They have too much money at stake here, and Democrats will, they firmly believe, try to take their money away.  Nothing is more important than their money, it often seems...  Not national defense (with the exception of fat defense contracts).  Not clean air/water.  Not an educated and healthy population.

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    • Author by moe (October 31, 2008 11:03 am ET)
         

      Here's a challenge.

      What are the essential differences between the right-wing blatherers like Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Cunningham, BillO the Clown, Prager, Hewitt, etc., etc., etc.?

      Oh sure you have a few outliers like Savage and Coulter who have that extra chromosome but don't they all basically say the same misguided crapola and haven't they for all intents and purposes morphed into a single right wing fart?

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      • Author by Pyrrhonist (October 31, 2008 11:36 am ET)
           

        There is no difference - they are all Borg.

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        • Author by peebs755 (October 31, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
             

          Limpbaugh even uses the tag line "resistance is futile" on his show.

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (October 31, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
           

        Oh sure you have a few outliers like Savage and Coulter who have that extra chromosome

        I think Coulter has male and female parts.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 31, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
           

        There's no question in my mind that they operate from the same set of talking points.  Now, the origin of that list is anybody's guess.  Does it come from Karl Rove, or has PigBoy Limbaugh been formulating policy for President Numbnuts these past 8 years?

        I do know that PigBoy floated the "Drill here, drill now" nonsense on his radio show before they started repeating it at the GOP convention.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 31, 2008 12:48 pm ET)
         

      Maybe  they are sleeping with each other  to make sure they stay on the same message

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    • Author by christopher howard (October 31, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
         

      FDR was, unfortunately, still politically shackled by the then racist southern Democratic Party. Eleanor Roosevelt was the voice of conscience in the White House when it came to civil rights for African Americans, and was influential in integrating the Air Force. For those interested in that story, I'd recommend the documentary "Nightfighters" about the Tuskeegee Airmen.

      http://www.amazon.com/Nightfighters-story-Fighter-Tuskegee-Airmen/dp/B0000714F0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1225475554&sr=8-4

           

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    • Author by fawltylogic (October 31, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
         

      Oh, and Sean? The reason the rest of the media isn't picking up on this is that they have reading comprehension skills past that of a 6-year old unlike you. They understand that Obama wasn't actually comparing the US (today or other time) to Nazi Germany.

      You're a disgrace.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 01, 2008 5:33 pm ET)
         

      Did anyone see that idiot ANNTHRAX COULTER on SEANNIE'S show thursday night? It looked like her plastic surgery or botox was deteriorating. She looked  like a walking disaster aera. Since holloween was coming up, she woulden't have to change to be in costume,she looks terrifying enough as is.

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