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Conservative media attack Obama over reported intention to close Guantánamo Bay facility

November 12, 2008 11:52 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Conservative media figures have baselessly asserted that President-elect Barack Obama's reported intention to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay would result in the release of terrorists and place the country at risk. In fact, news reports state that Obama is considering trials for some detainees and the potential release of others who have been cleared.

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Amid reports that President-elect Barack Obama's transition team is developing a plan for closing the U.S. military-run detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, conservative media figures have baselessly asserted that such a plan would result in the release of terrorists and place the country at risk. For example, Fox News contributor Dick Morris claimed on the October 10 edition of Hannity & Colmes that "Obama's going to close Gitmo, and all of those people are gonna be back in the field, fighting against us." On the same day, nationally syndicated radio host Lars Larson stated that the detainees are "garden-variety terrorists who I don't think are entitled to treatment under ... the American system of justice."

Contrary to Morris' claim that "all of those people" will be released if Obama closes Guantánamo Bay, CNN justice correspondent Kelli Arena, for example, reported on November 10 that "the incoming administration is pondering whether to try some of the Guantanamo Bay inmates in existing federal courts; set up a special national security court to deal with cases involving the most sensitive intelligence information; or release others." Arena quoted a statement Obama made in an October 31 CNN interview: "I am not going to give a time certain because I think what we have to do is evaluate all those who are still being held in Gitmo. ... We have to put in place appropriate plans to make sure they are tried, convicted and punished to the full extent of the law, and that's going to require, I think, a review of the existing cases, which I have not had the opportunity to do."

Larson's claim that all of the detainees in Guantánamo Bay are "garden-variety terrorists" is false. It is false, for example, with respect to a group of detainees belonging to the Uighur ethnic group from western China, who the Bush administration told the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia are "no longer" enemy combatants. Nevertheless, the Bush Justice Department has fought the Uighurs' release -- which the court ordered on the grounds that "the government has already absolved the petitioners of this [enemy combatant] status" -- arguing that they should be held until a country agrees to take them in. (The Uighurs say their ethnic group is persecuted in China.) The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit reportedly stayed the men's release and scheduled a hearing for November 24.

From the November 10 broadcast of Westwood One's The Lars Larson Show:

LARS LARSON: Yeah, but here's what gets me -- tell me if any of this doesn't match what you've been hearing, 'cause, I mean, you're much closer to the centers of power. Gitmo's gonna close. We're gonna take all those jokers and give them basically a civilian trial and the full benefit of American jurisprudence instead of some special treatment as just, you know, garden-variety terrorists who I don't think are entitled to treatment under -- under our, you know, the American system of justice. And now we're gonna make the attorney general the woman who put up the walls between our agencies and, to a certain extent, created some of the conditions that the terrorists capitalized on? The terrorists are still terrorists, but they capitalized on flaws that were put there by people like this woman.

MARK TAPSCOTT (Washington Examiner editorial page editor): You know, Gitmo is one of those symbolic issues for an awful lot of people who backed Obama, and I suspect that it doesn't really make a difference who he appoints as an attorney general. They're going to close Gitmo at the first opportunity, and the consequences of that could be very, very dire indeed. On the other hand, there have been some number of these characters that have -- that have been released from Gitmo, who subsequently were recaptured or were killed on the battlefield, and perhaps some of these folks that are gonna be let go by an Obama administration will be killed on battlefields before they can do any more damage to Americans.

LARSON: Well, I worry that -- that we're going to give them -- we're gonna let them be loose within our country and get our level of justice, and if they're not convicted the countries that gave them up are not gonna want them back. So, are we stuck with them?

TAPSCOTT: Very valid concern, absolutely.

LARSON: Oh, boy.

From the November 10 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

ALAN COLMES (co-host): Dick, when you keep talking about Barack Obama is gonna have this radical agenda, we're gonna scare people into thinking he's gonna take the country way to the left. Isn't buying people's bad mortgages, buying up companies, investing in banks; isn't the Patriot Act, in terms of going after, you know, preemptive wars, the president able to declare anybody that he wants an enemy combatant -- aren't those things radical? Aren't those radical ideas we had from the past administration?

MORRIS: Well, let's -- let's take them one at a time. The Patriot Act. What Obama proposes to do is to say that -- and we write this in Fleeced -- if we have a group that we think is a terrorist organization, right now we can investigate them for six months in secret: infiltrate them, check their money sources, tap their phones. Obama wants to collapse that to a seven-day notice requirement.

You say home mortgages. We got into this problem because of our desire to let people borrow money with no money down and subsidized interest rates.

COLMES: Partly.

MORRIS: Those are not Republican voters that bought those homes. Those are low-income people that needed that kind of financial incentive and then couldn't pay the mortgage. And what Obama's gonna do --

COLMES: That's only one of the things, Dick. We also had the private companies that were --

MORRIS: -- is just continue this process.

COLMES: -- because of deregulation allowed to do what they did. And, you're -- you know, the whole idea that what this president has done -- enemy combatants, that he can declare anybody an enemy combatant -- people not having rights to an attorney --

MORRIS: Let's --

COLMES: -- locking people away without an opportunity for redress.

MORRIS: Well, let me --

COLMES: That's radical.

MORRIS: Alan, don't give me -- don't give me a smorgasbord. Let's take them one at a time.

Enemy combatants. As we point out in Fleeced, there have been 225 people released from Guantánamo, and 50 of them -- 50 of them -- have taken the battlefield and fought against American soldiers. And we know, because we've killed them or wounded them, and we have their proof -- the DNA -- that we had them under lock and key.

And now Obama's going to close Gitmo, and all of those people are gonna be back in the field, fighting against us.

COLMES: Well, we don't know that.

MORRIS: We need to make sure that this guy does not get near 60 votes, and that's why it's crucial to win this race in Georgia.

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    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 13, 2008 12:22 am ET)
         
      Advice to Dick Morris: You may be beyond ever having any credibility with sane people in this lifetime, but if you want a shot at it, here's one thing you might try-- Back up your statements with at least one source besides your pamphlet "Fleeced".
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      • Author by captfoster2 (November 13, 2008 8:58 am ET)
           

        Col.

        Please sir, don't hold your breath.

        If there is one thing Dick Morris and FoxNoise can't help themselves about... is making claims without proof and not backing them up with pesky things like facts!

        Remember... this is the company that went to court and came out being told that they had a legal right to lie (my guess is the judge must have assumed that since its FoxNoise, its entertainment not news, so....)

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    • Author by princeofwheels (November 13, 2008 1:44 am ET)
         

      Dick seems to speaking in code. Sounds like we should be afraid, be very afraid. Nah, Dickie, we went down that road before and look what has happened to this country..afraid of itself and the democratic process. The people have spoken and have put their trust into the hands of someone else. Bush tried and failed. Now you must sit back and watch. You can spew your stupidity to the Hannitized ones but just stay away from the reality of the process. Dickie, you do not count any longer..as if you ever counted.

      And while we are at it, how can you be such an expert on the inhabitants of Gitmo when everything is hush hush? You don't know and never will.

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    • Author by seahawks123 (November 13, 2008 2:24 am ET)
         

      I guess they missed the fact that McCain planned to close Guantanamo as well.  Oops!

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      • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (November 13, 2008 8:12 am ET)
           

        This isn't about Gitmo.  It is about discrediting Obama even before he steps into the White House.  Attack, attack, attack! In the days ahead we will see more and more outrageous lies, carried over from the campaign, to pound away at Obama and any decisions he might make.  Remember, HE is the enemy, the one elected by those "others".  What Obama is considering is the return of the rule of law in his administration, a situation intolerable to conservatives.  The law has an annoying way of limiting power.  

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        • Author by nerzog (November 13, 2008 9:10 am ET)
             

          You're right.  I predicted that he would get no honeymoon, but it looks like they're starting the sh*tstorm before he even takes office.

          I guess we should have expected this... didn't they do the same thing to Clinton?

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          • Author by princeofwheels (November 13, 2008 9:25 am ET)
               

            Tuning in and out on Quinny today and his rant seems like yesterdays news. He is going to keep his audience informed of thier "buyers remorse". He threw out Marxism, Socialism, Jamie Gerlick (spelling?) and a host of other nonsense. Every time I tuned in, it was something else.

            Yesterday he made this statement to be included in his liberal list....

            To liberals, everything is emotional and we all know that you cannot argue with a liberal using logic/common sense because of the emotions..HEY QUINN, you just shot down the Pro-Life arguments concerning abortion and gay rights/marriage. It is emotional for the Right. 

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            • Author by nerzog (November 13, 2008 10:11 am ET)
                 

              Exactly.  And remember the Flag Burning Amendment?  That was 100% driven by emotion, and I don't remember a lot of Liberals pushing it.

              As you point out, the anti-Gay arguments are ALL emotion;  try as you might, you will never get an argument from a Conservative against Gay Marriage that is based on logic.

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          • Author by neon desert (November 13, 2008 9:49 am ET)
               

            Pretty much the same thing.  Although I don't remember anyone referring to the "Clinton recession" 2 months before he even took the oath of office...

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          • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (November 13, 2008 11:42 am ET)
               

            ............and Bush, twice!

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    • Author by matrixbio2014 (November 13, 2008 8:21 am ET)
         

      On the other hand, there have been some number of these characters that have -- that have been released from Gitmo, who subsequently were recaptured or were killed on the battlefield, and perhaps some of these folks that are gonna be let go by an Obama administration will be killed on battlefields before they can do any more damage to Americans.

      I'm glad she acknowledged that the BUSH administration let many of the detainees go, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY PICKED UP AN INNOCENT PERSON (or rather, were handed an innocent person by the Pakistani's who were paid on a per capita basis for each individual theygave to the US).  The question of whether they were radicals to begin with or were radicalized in Gitmo is an important one and may explain why some of them did end up fighting us after they were released.  I'm all for hanging terrorists - but have a fair trial, and if guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, proceed with the execution - if not guilty, then let them go. 

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      • Author by nerzog (November 13, 2008 9:14 am ET)
           

        I don't know why anyone would be surprised by that.  If somebody arrested me and held me for several years without a trial, then dumped me back out without an explanation or an apology, I might be a little miffed, too.

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    • Author by captfoster2 (November 13, 2008 8:52 am ET)
         

      Why does FoxNoise bother anymore?

      Dick "The Prostitute Toe-Sucker" Morris?? Who are you trying to kid? Your few leftover listeners... or yourselves?

      No doubt we will always have a small fraction of citizens that can't help themselves in their need to be led about by their noses... but I can't help but ask...

      Who exactly is FoxNoise talking too? The convinced flock? Because if its everyone else... it seems a waste of time!

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      • Author by neon desert (November 13, 2008 9:59 am ET)
           

        What?!?  Fakes News a waste of time?!?  How can you even suggest that?

        I mean, when it comes to matters of national security and constitutional law, the name Dick Morris is legendary.  When it comes to the economy, there is no more authoritative voice than that of Ollie North.  When the waters of marriage become muddy, the only viable clarifying filter is the view of Newt Gingrich.

        If I wanted to hear the misguided opinions of economists, law professors, and sociologists, I'd tune into Air America...sheesh.

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        • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (November 13, 2008 11:46 am ET)
             

          careful neon desert, media matters doen't like people like us pointing out facts that they try to bury!----

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          • Author by seahawks123 (November 13, 2008 2:28 pm ET)
               

            It was sarcasm.  I understand why Cons are dumb about policy.  What I can't understand is that along with that comes an utter lack of sense of humor or irony.

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        • Author by mary59 (November 13, 2008 1:27 pm ET)
             

          Neon, I applaud your truthy post.  When the waters of marriage become muddy, Newt forges into the breech and offers a mighty waterfall of grey water; the fauxy and septic Dick Morris stands in a pool at the bottom, offering his own trickle for public viewing. 

          Perhaps Guantanamo Bay could reopen as a therapeutic retreat for all the couples threatened by gay marriage.  Newtie could lecture.

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    • Author by eniobob2631 (November 13, 2008 9:09 am ET)
         

      I think deep down Morris is salavating at being shipped to guantanomo,for he seems to like that type of setting for himself.

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    • Author by shaggles (November 13, 2008 11:06 am ET)
         

      Let them attack.  Most of the country wanted it closed years ago.

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 13, 2008 11:32 am ET)
           

        They seem to be unable to do little else.

        As a counter point 71% of us have some optimism regarding the next for years.

        A chance to work hard for ourselves not to the benifit of 5-2% of the country.

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    • Author by sigtek44bc1345 (November 13, 2008 11:38 am ET)
         

      The prisoners @ gitmo are enemy combatants w/out uniforms or flags or indication of country of origin and are and have been treated accordingly---The suggestion by Obama that they be put to trial in the U.S. indicates Obama does not understand international treaties or our legal system!---The fact that media matters basically defends this outlook by Obama indicates they are blindly following edicts by liberals w/ out checking the facts, just as they accuse consrevatives of doing---I would ask Obama, "what charges will be brought against these "soldiers" and who will defend them"?---you wanna talk about a circus that will end in total failure!!!---And, it has already been proven that combatants released were found back in afghanistan killing people in the name of allah!!!---pesky facts that just seem to get in the way of Obama's argument(and the kool-aid drinkers @ media matters). 

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      • Author by seahawks123 (November 13, 2008 2:29 pm ET)
           

        No human should be held without due process.  Period.  To do so is anti-American.  Even McCain had the sense to know this.  What is wrong with you?

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      • Author by leftinmississippi (November 13, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
           

        No, Sig - you do not understand our legal system. You have bought in to the Alberto Gonzales interpretation of our Constitution and the Geneva Convention, which was erroneous.  Even Ashcroft balked at their excesses.

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      • Author by LittleFuzzy (November 13, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
           

        The prisoners @ gitmo are enemy combatants w/out uniforms or flags or indication of country of origin . . .  sigtek44bc1345

        The following is a summary of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention:

        It describes minimal protections which must be adhered to by all individuals within a signatory's territory during an armed conflict not of an international character (regardless of citizenship or lack thereof): Noncombatants, combatants who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, including prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment. The passing of sentences must also be pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. Article 3's protections exist even though no one is classified as a prisoner of war.

        The term "enemy combatants" was coined to avoid applying the Convention to them - but it does regardless of what the prisoners are called.

        Article 2 of the GC also states that any Signatory Nation (which includes the USA) is required to uphold the Convention, even if it is fighting a non-signatory power.

        Gitmo is an ongoing violation of the Geneva Convention.  Hopefully soon-to-be-President Obama will redress this violation.

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    • Author by Great American (November 13, 2008 12:54 pm ET)
         

      I'm so glad liberals want to release these vermin into society.

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 13, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
           

        Dick Morris hasn't been convicted of anything. He's free to slither about the country.

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      • Author by seahawks123 (November 13, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
           

        We wouldn't wish the slimeballs on Fox News on anybody, even our worst enemy.

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    • Author by kilgore.trout4511165 (November 13, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
         

      Whoa, wait, wait about this comment buried in the trascript?

      MORRIS: "Those are not Republican voters that bought those homes. Those are low-income people that needed that kind of financial incentive and then couldn't pay the mortgage. And what Obama's gonna do"

      What?  Republicans aren't poor?  Poor people don't vote Republican?  I'd really love to see the data that supports that assertion.

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    • Author by markbfoot199 (November 13, 2008 2:51 pm ET)
         

      I would like to know what is Obama is going to do with Gitmo?  "New Report States Obama is CONSIDERING TRIALS for SOME detainees."  What else is he considering?  These are not citizens of the U.S., they do not deserve the same rigth as U.S. citizens.  Also, we have proof that when some of the detainees are released they do go back in the field to kill our Soliders.  So tell me, Mr. Obama, what are you going to do with them? 

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      • Author by seahawks123 (November 13, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
           

        Give them trials.  You said it yourself.  If there's evidence that they are terrorists, then they will be convicted.

        All humans who are captured deserve due process.  It's the American way.  People who oppose this are anti-American.

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      • Author by mary59 (November 13, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
           

        I hear that he has a secret Mooslim plan to house them with people who use the moniker "markbfoot199"

        Seriously though, it's kind of amazing that you think that only U.S. citizens should have the right to a trial.  Back in the middle ages in England the recognition of habeus corpus was recognized.  This is a universal right and if we consider ourselves a beacon of a hill of Light, we should have some respect for the Magna Carta and protection for even the most despicable of persons.

        Further, even our own government admits that many Guantanamo prisoners were swept up unfairly into detention, handed over by tribal leaders for money and so forth.

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 13, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
             

          we should have some respect for the Magna Carta and protection for even the most despicable of persons.


          Come on, that's so thirteenth century...

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          • Author by princeofwheels (November 13, 2008 9:38 pm ET)
               

            Yes, but everything from the thirteenth century is considered state-of-the-art by our Con friends. Wait until they get a load of what happened in the 1860's, will they be in for a big suprise. And if they ever take the quantum leaps into this new century, I'd like to see the faces and read thier nonsense when they find out a black man with a Muslim sounding name is the President. Can you just imagine what they would think and say?

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