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Conservative radio hosts accuse Dems of "trying to steal" MN Senate election -- but there's no evidence, according to GOP governor

November 13, 2008 8:11 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Several conservative talk radio hosts have accused Democrats of "trying to steal" the Minnesota senatorial election for Democratic challenger Al Franken over incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman (R). They offer no evidence for the accusation; indeed, the state's Republican governor has said there is none.

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In recent days, several conservative talk radio hosts have accused Democrats of "trying to steal" the Minnesota senatorial election for Democratic challenger Al Franken over incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman (R). They offer no evidence to back up their accusation, and, according to the state's Republican governor, there is none. Gov. Tim Pawlenty said on November 12 on Sean Hannity's radio show that there is "no actual evidence that there's been any fraud or problems" in counting the votes.

Also, on the November 12 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity asked Pawlenty: "Do you suspect there's been cheating going on?" Pawlenty replied: "Sean, we don't have any direct evidence of that, and when you make an allegation -- not you, but anybody -- of fraud in an election, it's a very serious matter, so you gotta have specific evidence to back it up."

The following conservative talk radio hosts have baselessly accused Democrats of trying to "steal" the election:

  • Mark Levin: On the November 11 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Levin described Franken as a "spiteful troll," and said: "I see he and his fellow hoods are trying to steal the election in Minnesota."
  • Rush Limbaugh: On the November 12 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, during a discussion with a caller about the upcoming Georgia run-off between Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss and Democratic challenger Jim Martin, Limbaugh stated: "At this point, people in Georgia have gotta take this very seriously. Because the Democrats are trying to steal Minnesota, and they're gonna, they're -- he's [Chambliss] gotta win this runoff in Georgia."
  • Chris Baker: On the November 13 broadcast of his Minneapolis-based radio program, Baker asserted that "the left" have "become the fascists that they have claimed to be the watchdog to protect people from." He added: "And it's really frightening, especially with the coming political situation. I mean, once the Norm Coleman election is stolen, and they get rid of [Sen.] Ted Stevens [R-AK], and they maybe get rid of Saxby Chambliss, with a supermajority, these people are gonna run amok, and it's all over and we're all gonna be in irons."

From the November 11 edition of ABC Radio Networks' The Mark Levin Show:

LEVIN: Well, speaking of the spiteful troll, aka Al Franken, I see he and his fellow hoods are trying to steal the election in Minnesota. May I say a brief prayer out loud? Dear God, I think we've had about all we can take in this last election. Please, please, not a Senator Al Franken. What would the Founding Fathers say? My God, please. All right, now, I would be remiss if I didn't thank our new affiliate in Nacogdoches, Texas -- KSFA. There we go. Let's go to Katie, Oxford, New Jersey.

From the November 12 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' Rush Limbaugh Show:

CALLER: I'm a little frustrated. Well, that's not true; I'm very frustrated. I kind of feel like my vote is being extorted down here. You know, Georgia conservatives screamed bloody murder over the bailout, and Saxby Chambliss refused to vote with us. He went up there and -- and did what he wanted to do -- whatever he wanted to do, which is, you know, even come clean down here and admitted --

LIMBAUGH: I know, I know. I know it. He voted for the gang of whatever on the offshore drilling. He made a tactical mistake there. At this point, people in Georgia have gotta take this very seriously. Because the Democrats are trying to steal Minnesota, and they're gonna, they're -- he's gotta win this runoff in Georgia. If -- if -- if we lose these two they're up to 59.

CALLER: I know, Rush. I am -- I'm in total agreement with you there. And I continue to write and write and write letters over to their campaign begging them for just one humble moment to admit that the bailout was a really bad idea, and that it's down the tubes further than anybody could have imagined, and just to admit that he's in Washington to represent me.

LIMBAUGH: Not gonna do it. He's not gonna -- he's not gonna do it.

From the November 13 broadcast of KTLK's The Chris Baker Show:

BAKER: See, we've -- we've come to a point where if you have an opinion that opposes the left, sorry, you must be silenced and shut down.

LANGDON PERRY (KTLK host): Right.

BAKER: I don't hear conservatives asking for people to be thrown out of their job on a regular basis. I don't hear conservatives on a regular basis say that people should be ostracized, culled from the herd. But, man, you get these people all wound up, and they, you know, they burst into a church over the weekend.

PERRY: The left, I think, has become much more the party of "you can't say that" or "you can't do that."

BAKER: They have become the fascists that they have claimed to be the watchdog to protect people from. And it's really frightening, especially with the coming political situation. I mean, once the Norm Coleman election is stolen, and they get rid of Ted Stevens and they maybe get rid of Saxby Chambliss, with a supermajority, these people are gonna run amok, and it's all over and we're all gonna be in irons.

From the November 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: And this is a "Fox News Alert." The recount has not even started in Minnesota, and somehow Al Franken has already shaved off more than 500 votes off the incumbent lead. That's Norm Coleman.

Now, Republican Coleman was up by 725 votes last Wednesday morning, but as of yesterday that difference has now shrunk to just 206. Coleman's vanishing lead came during a week when Minnesota election officials were required to check their initial results.

Under normal practices, both candidates would expect a bump, but these strange circumstances have seen only Franken's vote totals swell. Now, the Minneapolis director of elections claims to have found 32 absentee ballots hiding in the trunk of her car -- all of them conveniently going to Al Franken.

Liberal-leaning precincts in Two Harbors, Minnesota, and Partridge Township threw Franken another 346 votes combined, claiming that wrong numbers were initially submitted. Again, Coleman's vote total -- it remained unchanged. Plus, Franken's changes are nearly three times the gains for Democratic candidates statewide. So, the question is: Is the fix in?

Joining us now is Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty. Governor, as I describe that -- I'm sorry, no reasonable person can conclude there's not funny business going on here. What is your thoughts on this?

PAWLENTY: Sean, in the practice of law, there's a phenomenon called disparate impact, which means when something is so out of proportion to what the norm or the trend would be, it at least raises a concern or a suspicion.

In Minnesota, we don't have any evidence of wrongdoing, but these patterns that you've just described cause us concern, because even if you're in a part of the state that's overwhelmingly Democrat, Norm Coleman should be getting some of the votes, not losing 100 percent or 90 percent to Al Franken. So, it's cause for concern for sure.

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HANNITY: But here's the problem. We did not have a uniform system in terms of the day after Election Day to protect those ballots. So, in other words, the different precincts -- so, in other words, my fear is that the fix may already been in, and during the recount, we're going gonna discover, oh, there's another 500 votes for Franken.

When you look at these changed votes so far, Governor, you know, we see that, for example, the Senate gains for Franken were two and a half times that than the gain for Barack Obama, and Barack Obama way outperformed Franken in the state of Minnesota; 2.9 times the total of the Democrats across the congressional races; and five times the net loss that Democrats suffered for all statehouse races. So, he's outperforming every single solitary measure. So, I'm asking -- I guess, Governor, I guess my question is honest: Do you suspect there's been cheating going on?

PAWLENTY: Sean, we don't have any direct evidence of that, and when you make an allegation -- not you, but anybody -- of fraud in an election, it's a very serious matter, so you gotta have specific evidence to back it up.

What we do know is the statistics that you're citing and the patterns that you're citing are suspicious. They seem to defy probability theory; they seem to defy common sense. Even in an overwhelmingly Democratic area, Norm Coleman would be getting some of those votes -- 20, 30, 40 percent. That's not happening, so it raises a red flag.

From the November 12 edition of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:

HANNITY: Well, here's what I read. John Lott wrote a very frightening piece about what's happening here, and he chronicled how we've gone from 725 votes -- what are we, down to 206 votes separating the two in Norm Coleman's favor?

PAWLENTY: Correct.

HANNITY: OK. So he points out that, for example, the Senate gains for Franken were two and a half times the gain for Obama in the presidential race count. In other words, these ballots "oops" that we found -- now here's a state where Barack Obama won fairly handily. But yet, these ballots that we're now finding, you know, are favoring Franken two and a half times than that of the gain of Obama; 2.9 times the gain of the Democrats and what they got all across Minnesota in congressional races; and five -- five times the net loss the Democrats suffered for all state house races.

PAWLENTY: Yeah, those -- those are definitely a concern, Sean. I want to be clear. You know, Minnesota has a tradition of clean elections, and good election systems, and there isn't any actual evidence of wrongdoing or fraud yet. But the pattern that you just described, as long as -- and as well as the ballots in the trunk and some other things -- raise concerns, and we need to make sure that the ballots are secure, the process is transparent, that there is a uniform standard, and that all these things are looked into and make sure that they are fully legitimate -- and that's gonna happen.

HANNITY: Does Norm Coleman have operatives or -- or members of his campaign now, 24 hours a day around these voting machines, et cetera?

PAWLENTY: Yeah, the news accounts suggest that he has dispatched people to watch the room, and there -- most of the counties' administrators, you know, have a room that's locked -- and this county that issued the court order, they actually only have two people can have access to it. People have to sign in or sign out; they have to explain why they would even go in the room in the first place. The campaign's gonna have monitors as to who would go into the room or out of the room. That's the kind of uniform standard we'd like all the counties to use, I know that those --

HANNITY: Has that been implemented? Here's the problem, though. Because there hasn't been a recount yet. Has that been implemented from -- from the day after election or no?

PAWLENTY: Day -- no. But --

HANNITY: That's a problem, Governor. Because that means it could have already happened.

PAWLENTY: That's also true. But there is no actual evidence, Sean. I wanna be clear. There's no actual evidence that there's been any fraud or problems there. There are these patterns of concern, and again, Norm's campaign and Franken's campaign were close as of a day ago to have an agreement about how to handle all this.

HANNITY: All right, Governor Tim Pawlenty. Appreciate you, updating on us -- updating for us these -- these goings-on in Minnesota. But it's somewhat frightening to me. All right, we gotta --

PAWLENTY: I understand.

HANNITY: Well, we'll stay on it. Appreciate it, Governor Pawlenty. Thank you.

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    • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2008 8:33 pm ET)
         

      OT, but I just love watching right wing christianity in practice. It's so telling...

      SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters

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    • Author by jim359 (November 13, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
         
      Well Snoop, as my former Pastor here in Aspen once said "Being Catholic is our own cross to bear." But that Pastors' action in SC is just one of many reasons that I'm a non-practising Catholic.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 13, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
         

      I thought if there was fraud, it was coming from Republican voters, as votes are vanishing from Coleman's lead based on illegit votes

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      • Author by princeofwheels (November 13, 2008 9:48 pm ET)
           

        Isn't it amazing how the Cons/Republicans can cry WOLF at every little item that they feel is unfair. When the Dems/Libs said anything, they were un-American, anti-American, etc.,etc., etc,.

        Please Republicans, get away from these Cons while your party still exists. Let Rush or Hannity or Dickie Morris run for office...but that could never happen because they don't answer questions. They just moan and moan like little sissies behind their microphones and make a fortune because you people just keep listening. For the Repubs out there, I hear your new theme song playing.......as always, it is CRY ME A RIVER.

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    • Author by ogg (November 13, 2008 11:54 pm ET)
         

      As a former Minnesotan, I know for a fact that Coleman is garbage wrapped in skin.

      Not very pretty skin, at that.

      BUT -- those of you who are tending to excoriate Minnesota for being weird:

      The fundie dirtbags are just as strong in Minnesota as any other state. Lotsa smart folks come outta Minnesota -- but Minnesota is like any other state. 50% of the populace is below average in intelligence.

      Hard to believe, I know -- but it is true. By golly. You betcha.

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 14, 2008 12:49 am ET)
           

        Never seen a dig at Minnesota here.

        I really get a feeling the wingnuts are unconciously fans of an idealized Code Napoleon. If accused then you're presumed guilty and must defend yourself to their standards. 

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 14, 2008 1:04 am ET)
         
      Holy cvow, if that is true then is it possible they got beat at their own game ????
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 14, 2008 1:41 am ET)
           
        several conservative talk radio hosts have accused Democrats of "trying to steal" the Minnesota senatorial election .... They offer no evidence to back up their accusation No evidence? It's being reported all over conservative talk radio, and I'll bet Drudge has a good "alleged" report of it. And I got one of those "no formatting options" reply boxes, so this will probably all be one paragraph, since I don't know how to override that.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 14, 2008 1:42 am ET)
             

          Dammit!

          • I hate those defective boxes!
          • I can't even use my bullet points.
          • as demonstrated here.
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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 14, 2008 1:36 pm ET)
               

            It's being reported all over conservative talk radio, simply means the single source memo is being passed around with instructions. My son, whon i love deraly but is misguided, is able to repeat word byword what Limpcaca said on his radio show. Amazing feat of memory retention not exhibited during his high school years.

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (November 14, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
                 

              Was talking politics in my local bar the other day (big mistake!), when someone threw out Ayres, Wright, and Hussein in one sentence and basically said Obama is a terrorist and he's scared of what he'll do.  I changed the subject immediately to sports.

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              • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 14, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                   

                I do want to know what happens to the patriot act with the Obama administration. I think that is a fair discussion. Mr Olbermann stated a couple nights ago that the law reads any decision Mr Bush ( and his subjects ) made in the last six months of his administration is up for review. These buffoons that continually scream " he is a terrorrist " are beyong debate and relegated to the " ignore " column. My son hasn't realised yet he is not being invited to family functions anymore, for it has gotten really bad. I think that represents the future of the buffoons who can't think. And it is not hard to go a little further and ask what are they teaching in the high schools nowadays ?

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    • Author by nerzog (November 14, 2008 8:39 am ET)
         

      What a difference four years makes.

      Well, I am resolving to extend the same courtesy and understanding to the Republicans that they bestowed upon us after the questionable results in 2000 and 2004.....

      YOU LOST!  GET OVER IT!

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    • Author by BillJ-MN (November 14, 2008 8:48 am ET)
         
      It appears that this topic is likely to generate a lot of conservative misinformation. I've been busy in the comments section of a local station's news site correcting the "facts" of the ignorant and the liars, but it's an uphill battle. I guess I'm going to busy with the topic, but not this weekend. I've gotta go try to shoot me a deer.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (November 14, 2008 9:08 am ET)
           

        What type of helicopter do you use?

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        • Author by BillJ-MN (November 14, 2008 9:31 am ET)
             

          Can't use a helicopter with those dang goody-goody Minnesota game laws.  They also won't allow me to use my fully automatic assault weapons.

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          • Author by nerzog (November 14, 2008 11:01 am ET)
               

            I prefer the 50 caliber exploding round.... saves me the trouble of dressing it.

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          • Author by princeofwheels (November 14, 2008 11:05 am ET)
               

            Damn libruls...Deer season in Pa. starts the Monday after Thanksgiving(normally). Some businesses in the Alabama section of Pa. just shut down..not a vacation day, not a holiday, just a hunting day.

            They should issue the deer weapons to make it a little more interesting or in Princess Sarah's case...SAMS

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      • Author by wzwriter (November 14, 2008 10:11 am ET)
           

        I've been busy in the comments section of a local station's news site correcting the "facts" of the ignorant and the liars, but it's an uphill battle.

        If you REALLY want a laugh, check out all the ignorant fools and liars that post in the forums on Ron Paul's "Daily Paul" web site:

        http://www.dailypaul.com/

        No wonder those people are called "Paultards"......

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 14, 2008 12:13 pm ET)
         

      We should  realize that  these CONSERVATIVE RADIO TALK SHOW HOSTS are nothing but liers and spin doctors for their own perverted FAR RIGHT WING ideology

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 14, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
           

        They did little to originate any ideological thought.

        As a recent article by a manager of one of those radio stations indicated, they pretty much take their points from the RNC and the WH and then add a flourish or two.

        My current dream, I guess you'd call it, Is for one of these talking heads to get invited to a radio or tv discussion by Obama and he could ask them to clarify and support some of their remarks. Pretty much standard ops here, pretty much a model I'd like to see expanded in the national debate.

        Don't have pass some law or laws and hope for the best. Bring these folks out of their hermetricly sealed bubbles, and as some here advocate, bring them out into the light of day of real debate.

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    • Author by LarryE (November 14, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
         

      conservative talk radio hosts have accused Democrats of "trying to steal" the Minnesota senatorial election

      Can you say, "projection?"

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    • Author by robrob (November 14, 2008 7:39 pm ET)
         

      "but there's no evidence, according to GOP governor"

      Why should they let "facts" interfere with their agenda?

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