Savage asked why Obama visited grandmother "who suddenly and suspiciously died virtually the night before the election"
SUMMARY: Discussing purported "questions about" President-elect Barack Obama "that the media won't answer," Michael Savage revived discredited rumors about Obama's birth certificate and asked: "Why in the world did he take time off from the campaign to visit the grandmother who then suddenly and suspiciously died virtually the night before the election?" Additionally, after a caller said that "[h]omosexuals and homosexual marriage is a choice," Savage declared: "[I]t's a lifestyle or a death-style choice, depending upon how you look at it."
During the November 10 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said that President-elect Barack Obama's late grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, "suspiciously died virtually the night before the election." Savage made the remark while again reviving discredited rumors about Obama's birth certificate and questioning why Obama went to visit his grandmother in Hawaii shortly before her death on November 3.
Additionally, earlier in the program, after a caller said that "[h]omosexuals and homosexual marriage is a choice," Savage declared: "[I]t's a lifestyle or a death-style choice, depending upon how you look at it."
Discussing purported "questions about" Obama "that the media won't answer," Savage stated:
Well, we don't even know where Obama was born. His grandmother died the night before the election. There's a lot of questions around this character that the media won't answer. Let's start with what country he's from. Why was the birth certificate never produced? Why in the world did he take time off from the campaign to visit the grandmother who then suddenly and suspiciously died virtually the night before the election? Tell me about that.
As Media Matters for America documented, Savage and other conservative commentators had suggested prior to Dunham's death that the true purpose of Obama's October 25 trip to Hawaii was not to visit his ailing grandmother, as Obama stated, but rather to address charges -- widely debunked -- that Obama has failed to produce a valid U.S. birth certificate. Savage continued to do so shortly after Dunham had died. As Media Matters noted, well before Savage invoked the discredited birth certificate rumors, the Obama campaign posted a copy of Obama's birth certificate on its Fight the Smears website and reportedly provided the original document to FactCheck.org, whose staff concluded in an August 21 post that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." Even the right-wing website WorldNetDaily reported in an August 23 article that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic."
A Hawaii Health Department official also reportedly confirmed to PolitiFact.com in June that Obama's birth certificate is valid. However, following numerous references to the birth certificate rumors by conservative media figures such as Obama Nation author Jerome Corsi -- who said he was traveling to Hawaii to do some "digging" on the issue and requested a copy of Obama's original birth certificate -- the Hawaii Department of Health released the following statement on October 31 by Health Department director Chiyome Fukino:
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."
Earlier in the November 10 Savage Nation broadcast, Savage discussed the passage of a California ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Responding to a caller who asserted that "[h]omosexuals and homosexual marriage is a choice," rather than "a gender or racial issue," Savage said: "No, it's a lifestyle or a death-style choice, depending on how you look at it." Savage added moments later, "There are many bigger problems at the moment, but the gays are out of control, in my opinion."
As Media Matters noted, on October 29, Savage said of the California ballot initiative, "If you're insane, hate the family, hate man and woman, hate your mother and father, hate the Bible, hate the church, and hate the synagogue, of course you're in favor of 'no' on Proposition 8." The next day, Savage said that "people who don't have families ... don't understand what the family unit is. It's the strongest bond on Earth, which is why homosexual marriage is such a threat to civilization itself."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 10 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Dan in San Francisco, welcome to the Savage Nation.
CALLER: Michael, I'm a Hispanic male, and it doesn't take a lot to prove that. Homosexuals and homosexual marriage is a choice, and until it's proven otherwise, they should not be given any special rights.
SAVAGE: We all know that, and we voted on it, and I'm sick and tired of hearing about gays and their marriage, and their this and their that -- I'm sick of it. I am sick of it. And I'm sick of their terror tactics, and I'm sick of them attacking Mormon women. And I want to know where my government is to protect people from these gangs.
CALLER: They're basing their arguments on this is a racial issue -- it's not. It's not a gender or racial issue at all.
SAVAGE: No, it's a lifestyle or a death-style choice, depending upon how you look at it. I will repeat again -- society at large has an obligation to survive. The rules of a society are written for the survival of a society. You cannot enshrine a behavior which is at best neutral, but in most cases not neutral, with regard to the survival of the nation. Do you agree with me?
CALLER: I do, absolutely.
SAVAGE: So, therefore, why would a society -- a sane society say that we enshrine heterosexual marriage because that will ensure the procreation of children and the advancement of society with regard to birth? How can you enshrine marriages which are neutral at best, and negative at worst?
Thanks for the call. There are many bigger problems right now, but the gays are out of control, in my opinion.
[...]
CALLER: I have an answer to Dustin Hoffman -- a quote from a far greater man, Robert Browning, who I believe sums up the events of the past week far better. It's from his Dramatis Personae, and here it is: "To suppose one cheat can gull all these, were more miraculous."
SAVAGE: I haven't any idea what that means.
CALLER: You don't?
SAVAGE: No.
CALLER: Well, I mean, if you think of this election with Barack Obama, and to suppose one cheat can gull all these, were more miraculous.
SAVAGE: It sounds to me like he had a bad acid trip when he wrote it -- what does he mean, "one sheet?"
CALLER: Cheat. A cheat. C-H-E-A-T.
SAVAGE: Well, we don't even know where Obama was born. His grandmother died the night before the election. There's a lot of questions around this character that the media won't answer. Let's start with what country he's from. Why was the birth certificate never produced? Why in the world did he take time off from the campaign to visit the grandmother who then suddenly and suspiciously died virtually the night before the election? Tell me about that.
CALLER: We don't know and we're probably never gonna know.
Savage, you're STILL jealous that Obama became President, and that no one wanted to vote for your fake-ass "bid" for Reichführer. Once again, Savage, WATCH YOUR BACK - the Secret Service are listening.
Go ahead and flag the comment, John1234567890. I dare you. I double-dare you.
Why does Savage hate gays? And the hate he has toward Obama, my God.
Call his show and ask him yourself. :-)
Have a great weekend everyone!
I did, but he prescreened me. Only loyal followers are allowed to chat with Mr. Milktoast.
Savage hates gays because he's a card-carrying member of the Westboro Bastard Church, that's why. He's so out of touch with the American people that he will blame gay marriage for the economic crisis - not the Bush administration, that Savage has been supporting all along the last eight years.
"Savage has critizised Bush!"
No, he hasn't. Savage expects his listeners to have a memory spam of ten minutes - that's why he pretends to "hate" Bush only to write an article marking Bush as "The Greatest American President" the following day.
He hates Bush because Bush completely screwed up this country. Valid sentiment in my opinion. The gay thing, well, he just hates the way the gays are forcing their agenda on the nation. He has gay friends, etc. He does not care what people do in their lives, just don't force it on everyone else, dig?
And who is forcing the "gay" agenda on everyone else? Meaning that they get the same rights as everyone else? Wow! How radical of them to want to get married and be treated like everyone else.
Jeesh...
Perhaps O'Reilly can shed a little insight into the "gay agenda"...
O’Reilly: Gay marriage will lead to ‘legalizing narcotics, unrestricted abortion, revocation of the Patriot Act.’»
doing ALL of those things would be the right thing to do and is a GREAT IDEA! Of course billybob classifies pot as a narcotic. Right wing loons need to be on some kind of drug(s) and kept away from sharp objects.
If Savage "hated" Bush, why didn't he call for the impeachment of Bush? And it's not like "Bush screwing up the country" has hurt Savage, now has it? No, it has only hurt those that Savage bashes on the air every day.
Savage hates gays because he's a card-carrying member of the Westboro Bastard Church, that's why.
The Westboro folks want nothing to do with Michael Weiner - they think he's too hateful.
If you truly understand the socialism Obama is planning for our country, you would feel differently. Did anyone say USSA?
I hadn't heard that. Instead, I heard the Cons saying that he won as a reagenite. You nutjobs have to make up your mind.
"Won as a reagenite?" Surely you jest.
It was Brent Bozell who said that.
Please try to keep up. It was implied by more then one Con to try and avoid coming to the conclusion that America endorsed a liberal candidate.
Oh no! Not a liberal?!
If you truly understand the socialism Obama is planning for our country, you would feel differently. Did anyone say USSA?
If you truly understand the socialism Obama is planning for our country, you would feel differently.
If you truly understood anything, you would realize how stupid that statement makes you look.
Answer: Self-loathing
Does he REALLY hate gays or is be obsessed by them? Remember, this is the guy who, in his earlier life, hung out with Allen Ginsberg, said he "adored" Ginsberg and in a letter to Ginsberg expressed his desire to take "provocative" photos of him. Starting to get the picture? Perhaps that rebuff from Ginsberg started Savage on his current path.
By the way, I know Savage's syndicator likes to claim he's on all these stations but a check will find that he's on only about half that many and most are in non-peak listening times on stations that have tiny audiences. I will give him credit for being a great self promoter, but is certainly NOT one of the leading talkers.
The answer to this question lies in another question. Are you familiar with the poet Alan Ginsburg?
Funny, he's not President UNTIL he is sworn in. Too many pesky lawsuits piling up in the Supreme Court.
Ooh, yet another:
Best one of the day wins a stinky prize!!
Nice graphic. I see you have excellent computer hacking skills.
It's not hacking. It's HMTL; a technology that I could teach to a 6-year old of average intelligence. Now teaching it to a Con, that might be a little tough.
What is a Con? Me? I truly admire your talent. I would like to learn. I am not 6, but the fact that you are able to teach your craft to a person of that age is admirable.
I said a 6-year old of average intelligence. Most Cons are not smart enough.
A Con is a conservative. It's also a fitting description of their philosophy.
We can be friends. I mean, I used to be a liberal myself - very trendy. I like the company of liberals as they have a better wardrobe and more interesting conversation than the boring conservatives. Then I had a family and began to be, well more, how we say concerned for the future.
We can't be friends. It's not because of ideology. It's because I refuse to converse respectfully who instead of laying out logical arguments for their cause, relies on smears and innuendo instead.
Anybody who actually entertains the thought that Obama is a socialist, or that his grandmother's death was suspicious has no chair at my dinner table. Sorry.
I can't tell whether "voice of reason" is doing comedy or not.
"I used to be a Liberal" sounds to me like "I used to be an Atheist". It's just not credible.
aHA! I predicted this!
I honestly don't understand why anyone cares about gay marriage. What's the threat? I would respect those people a little bit if they were also against divorce, but since they're not, they just sound like crazy people. Nothing that they say makes sense, but if you substitute the word "divorce" for "gay marriage" in what they say it actually makes sense. For example:
The next day, Savage said that "people who don't have families ... don't understand what the family unit is. It's the strongest bond on Earth, which is why [divorce] is such a threat to civilization itself."
If the family is the "strongest bond on earth," then how can it, and "civilization itself" be threatened by more people bonding themselves?
Gay marriage threatens my family unit in exactly the same way that my love of hockey (in spite of the "hockey mom) threatens your love of football, basketball, tiddly-winks or whatever.
Sounds silly, but that pretty much describes their "logic".
conservitism is a direct threat to reality. Faucks news can cause cognitive dissonance. conservitive talk radio is jus a replacement for: the 3 stooges, Abbott and Costello and the Soupy Sales Show.
Woah, that's really a stretch.
...he said after being mounted by Mr. Savage.
he he
C'mon, Vox, give us a reason. How is it a "stretch?" Do you honestly believe that, if the homoxexual couple that lives in my building gets married my two older sons will split on their wives, the younger two will run away from home, and my wife and I will decide that we'd like to trade each other in for same-sex partners?
BTW, at the risk of seeming overly thin-skinned, will everyone PLEASE stop capitalizing con when discussing conservatives? That's my name (Conchobhar is the ancient Irish form), and it bugs me to see it used that way.
I think he is right. The truth of the matter is marriage - the usual kind - is difficult, and sometimes people break up because it doesn't work out. Nevertheless, marriage is soooo nice that most divorced people remarry. Eventhough it brings pain, it still is pretty good.
I don't know, I hear the people divorce so why not let gays marry argument a lot. Why such a push for the matramony? I mean the definiton in websters has been established. It seems to have worked pretty well for hundreds, and thousands of years. Reinventing the term is well very challenging for the rest of us who kind of like the regular definition. No offense.
...he said after being mounted by Mr. Savage.
Do you find him attractive?
...he said when he caught Mr. Savage eyeing another conservoboy toy.
Just remember the foley principle. It's not sex with children because they were almost men.
Foley just needed another 15 minutes to make it happen is all...
don't understand what the family unit is. It's the strongest bond on Earth
I think the strongest bond on Earth is Krazy Glue.
Is he seriously suggesting Obama killed his grandmother in some coverup? My god, has he no decency?
The truth of the matter is it does look very suspicious. She is the only living person who really knows the details of his birth and parantage. I don't know. It smells like a fish to me.
It looks suspcicious to tin-foil hat idiots. These are the same folks that think the Clintons murdered people and were drug-runners. In other words, nutjobs like you.
Tin foil, eh? That's pretty funny.
I enjoy this dialogue. Truly, this whole birth certificate thing is still in the courts and well, that is true. Also, it is true about the grandma knowing the details. You may think this far fetched, but I saw a pretty nice morph of Obama / Malcom X and just maybe he is trying to hide that he is his father. I find that very interesting.
He has not released ANY of his personal records for public review, so for mystory buffs this is an interesting sleuth. No tin hats here, but if they are coming into Vogue, I'll wear one. I thought DEVO looked cute with the flower pot hats.
"so for mystory buffs this is an interesting sleuth"
Good...maybe it will keep the Troglodytes busy while the grownups clean up the mess they've made over the last 8 years.
You can add "liar" to your list of dispicable traits.
Oh ya? What has he released then?
See pictures below.
It isn't even in the food court.
Her death looks suspicious, eh? Guess you didn't hear all that stuff about her illness. But then we are talking about the same crowd who thinks Obama being half black is suspicious...
Very suspicious? He visits his grandmother because she is gravely ill and on advice from her doctors, then she dies a couple of weeks later. That sounds about as far from suspicious as you can get.
Socal, you're using normal human logic. I've started to re-think every person I know who visited an elderly sick relative shortly before they died.
I visited my own Dad mere days before he died, and I've got a few theories about my hand in that "suspicious" death. This is the sort of logic that works on almost half of America whose vote counts just the same as yours.
Eep!
Savage is sounding more and more like the crazed loons who broadcast over shortwave radio
Savage once called Art Bell, but couldn't get past the screener...
Savageweiner moonlights as the spokesmodel for rabies.
David Berkowitz turned down Savageweiner's application for a job at the post office...
Michael Weiner went to the doctor recently. He complained "doc, it hurts when I touch my chest! Ow, it hurts when I touch my arm! Ow, it hurts when I touch my leg.....etc" The doctor replied, "Stop. You have a broken finger."
I heard Savage got the following fan letter:
Deer Mikal. I lov yur shoe. I listen t yer shew all th teim. when i get bigger i wanan be just like u. Sorry for the crayon they won let me use anythin shaarp hear.
...siged,
voice of reason
He may soon be, with the "fairness" doctrine coming to shut everyone up who has opinions differing from the mainstream left. Scarrrrry times are a foot.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Keep nurturing your irrational fear and we'll just keep running the country. We look over at you cowering in the fetal position to make sure you are ok every once in awhile.
Cowering? No cowering here.
You are rife with fear. At least that's your schtick. You can be fearful all you want. Meanwhile, the rest of us will clean up the mess of the last eight years.
While I admit it has been an unfortunate mess, I do not know what the future will bring -- I mean the coffers are being emptied as we continue to bail out every bank and their dog. The market is totally tanked and what is on the horizon? The promised attack on our country by terrorists. I think those in power have sold us down the river. Political affiliation won't matter, we'll all be in it together. I see nothing but pain on the horizon across the board.
Like I said. Fear.
Against my better judgment VOR, I'll continue this conversation civilly, because I get the impression that you'd truly like to understand things, but haven't availed yourself of the correct tools. And while your conclusion is correct, it appears you arrived there purely via blind luck, or fear which you previously affirmed as your prime impetus.
Read this.
And this.
And this.
And for some historical perspective, read this.
Then, go out and impress your friends and family by flashing your newly-gained insight.
Nope. Because the Fairness Doctrine would impose equal time on political subjects. It wouldn't "shut" anyone up, but would provide a forum for some to rebut the looney tunes that Savage and others spill. But, then again, nobody is talking about the Fairness Doctrine except for right wing loons who think it's actually going to be law again, and even if it did, that somehow they would be forced into silence.
I don't know... It seems ABC NBC MSNBC CBS CNN, etc. are unusually friendly toward anything pursuing the accepted agenda. The opposing view is only allowed occasionally, and made to look foolish when they dare enter the den of wolves. Meanwhile, the only outlet for the "opposing view" is the back alley: cruddy AM radio and well the internet.
Ah. The old "liberal media" myth. Another piece of tin-foil for your hat.
Reality has a liberal bias.
You guys keep telling us how big and powerful talk radio is, as in, they get the biggest ratings, have the most shows, and somehow they're not the mainstream media? FoxNews, like it or not, is the highest rated news channel on cable, and somehow that's not mainstream media? You guys are delusional, and you're on a website that shows the conservative misinformation spilling forth from our news organizations. Show us some proof of this alleged liberal media. I'm sure that you really can't.
Mag, I just have to call you on the "equal time" wording. If I'm not mistaken, the Fairness Doctrine only calls for a small rebuttal to the prevailing position. I just hear this being abused to say that for every hour of wingnut radio, there will be an hour of truth, and I think it's actually something like a 5 minute counterpoint per hour.
If I'm wrong, let me know.
Yeah, that mean ol' fairness doctrine. How dare they re-impose a standard that basically says if you smear someone on the air you are legally expected to provide the target a platform to redress the smear. Why, if liberals are given a platform to show why what rightwingers says is a lie them poor ol' rightwingers may actually think twice about lying in the first place!
I can see why you're afraid...
Well, with the Fairness Doctrine, the Professional Liars would have to allow an opposing point of view, and their audience might then realize what suckers they've been. If that happens, it really could put them out of business. No wonder they're so scared.
Afraid? No, disappointed? Yes. The America I know and love protects free speech, or it did.
That would explain the dixie chicks and all those liberal reporters who were forced out of their jobs for criticizing bush. Seems to me that love of free speech is exceptionally biased as applied by republicans.
That is an interesting example. I believe Bush is flawed, I mean look at him, his face is looking like he fell off the wagon so to speak.
Why is it interesting to you? Is it because in both examples the target actually was silenced? Because they were financially punished for voicing their opinion?
Again, you guys NEVER get it. Being on the radio is NOT free speech. Being on TV is NOT free speech. Why? The FCC already regulates plenty of things you can say on the radio, and also plenty of things that you can say and see on TV. The FD would be NO different than those other standards. Nobody has a right to be on the radio. Nobody has a right to be on TV. Nobody is telling anyone that they can't say what they want, but it's the matter of putting it out on the airwaves owned by the American people. These jokers, you, me, and everyone else on here, can say whatever they want. How? Blogs for one thing. Go to just about any street corner in the US, and start preaching what you believe in. THAT'S freedom of speech, and that there are no laws abridging that in this country. Being on the radio, NOT free speech. Being on TV, NOT free speech. Stop equating radio and other broadcast shows with being bastions of free speech, they're not, and never will be.
The Fairness Doctrine did nothing of the sort. I think you should worry more about the possible passage of the Ignorance Doctrine.
I guess that would mean rightwingers would have to wear a large "I" around their necks. To produce the "I"'s we would need to hire people. How about the unemployed? This could put our economy in the black. The rightwingers could then take credit for turning the economy around.
"Crackpot?" Not so. It's well known that dying can be a good career move. Look at James Dean.
Savage is his own worst enemy!
For the life of me.... how can anyone take this sub-human seriously?
Since the reason for Savage being here is about his bringing up already debunked slime... I'll leave it with simply calling Michael Savage a sick and twisted tiny man!
Because at this point.... rational talk matters very little to this puny little ass-clown!
I personally think Michael Savage is a decent human being. He is an excellent story teller and a friend to the weak.
While he may be crass and speak his mind bluntly, he is very sincere and entertaining to listen to. I like him a lot.
You just lost any shred of credibility you may have had left.
If Savage really believes the things he espouses, then he's one of most disgusting individuals I've ever come across.
Have you listened to his show?
I mean if you do, you will come to understand why he believes what he does. He used to be a liberal, most of his life. When one lives a long time and sees how things turn out 'big picture' it can change a persons' mind about things. He really believes what he says, and while he shouts it very loudly and is not afraid to say the non-political correct thing, if you continue listening you will see he is a genuine guy.
...while he shouts it very loudly...
"I CELEBRATED MY BIRTHDAY TODAY, AND IT WAS THE GREATEST BIRTHDAY I'VE EVER HAD!!!!!! MY SON RUSSELL CAME BY AND GAVE ME A NEW GARAGE FOR ALL THE SPORTS CARS I HAVE!!!!!! IT WAS THE BEST BIRTHDAY I'VE EVER HAD, AND I WONDER IF IT WILL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR!!!!!!"
There. I corrected your spelling. I don't think he'd want you telling his secret everywhere. You guys are just so catty. Rowr!
I guess you could say the same thing about shyawn inshannity and he is a pathological liar.
Figures.
Savage is the lowest of the low.
Here is a nice story that illustrates Savage's decency and respect for the little guy.
Then again, he may just be a flame-throwing narcissistic loon who takes advantage of people like yourself in order to get rich.
So far I haven't sent him any money. I did buy his book Healing Children Naturally. So maybe I did send him some money.
Speaking of money, have you heard his crafty story to weasle out of taking his lawsuit against CAIR to the Supreme Court as he vowed, repeatedly, to do? He implied, that his family had been threatened and he was therefore not going to continue the suit. I was wondering why he didn't just come out and claim some Al-Qaeda cell threatened him, but I assumed he did not make an outright claim of a threat so that he couldn't be busted for LYING about something related to the BIG CHUCK OF MONEY HE COLLECTED IN A FUND FOR THE LAWSUIT.
Where is the lawyer to nail Savage for fraud regarding the solicitation of funds for a lawsuit he said he would take to the Supreme Court?
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD
A friend to the weak-minded, perhaps.
Is there something wrong with being weak minded?
If one stays away from pretzels, it probably isn't harmful to oneself.
No no no, of course not. Now crawl back into your little reality.
That does not sound very hospitable to me, but I must go and make dinner. It HAS been nice chatting with all y'all.
Ciao!
When you finish dinner, here's the form to fill out requesting an official copy of Obama's birth certificate. Assuming you can open up the link and print it out, for a small fee of $10 and a two week wait you will be blessed with a certified copy of undeniable truth as to where Obama was born. Hurry hurry, get your certified copy today!
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf
Sorry, Hawaii does NOT issue certified copies of birth certificates unless you can furnish proof of relationship. But Hawaiian authorities did release the fact that indeed, Obama was born in Hawaii as he has repeatedly stated. The site they posted this info on is -
site address is http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
With the problem of identiy theft, no state issues birth certificates randomly. Savage is just blowing hor air and if he went to Hawaii and checked the records, he would find that indeed Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Savage is just blowing hor air
Mari, that's just disgusting. ;0)
VOR, do you work as a screener for Savage's show, are you his relative, or what? Obviously you are here to defend him, so why don't you be honest about what your relationship to him is?
There is no other way to think than "personally," so that adverb is unnecessary. In your case, the verb is also unnecessary, because it is something not in evidence in your posts.
What happened to all of our new toady playmates, defending their newly discovered First Amendment rights against us dispickable Libruls?
I guess they get dispatched in waves, then have to return to their caves for feeding.
Two of them rode together to Media Matters today. While trying to get back to their cave, they accidentally locked their keys in the car. One of them tried to break into the car while the the other one watched.
Finally the first one said "Darn, I can't get in the car!" The other one replied, "keep trying, it looks like it's going to rain and the top is down".
And when the electricity went off at the mall, they were stuck on the escalator for three hours.
They would have been here sooner, but while flying in on their plane, one turned to the other and said "that runway's too short to land on". After flying back home, and getting in the car, the one turned to the other and said "that was truly the shortest runway I've ever seen". The other said, "Yeah, and it was also the widest..."
</groan>
Then they tried to go water skiing.....couldn't find a lake with a slope
They wanted to go sky diving but couldn't find the ladder to climb.
Then they got held up trying to get one of their jackets out of an outhouse hole with a fishing pole. They knew the jacket was a loss, but there was a samwich in the pocket.
Are you an author? I mean really you have a very creative mind. That's why I dig the lib crowd.
As an author, I must admit I save my best stuff for my books. Covetous, yes. Selfish, no. My posts are mental crumbs, really. Fit for consumption but not very filling.
Randy
I'm waiting for Simple Sarah to point out that Obama's grandmother is still alive and living in Kenya.... you betcha.
Actually his step-grandmother is, they have her on video testifying she was present at his birth (in Mobassa). Do you think that could be true? I don't know, but his dad is Kenyan.
No. I don't think it could be true.
How could you be so gullible? I mean this IS the internet. That is why the Supreme Court is requesting to see the Original document to inspect it personally. It is cute, however. I could fill you in on some pesky details about adoption by an Indonesian, etc. and how that plays out on his qualification to be Pres.
Let me guess - You found those "pesky details" on the internet?
You claim Obama hasn't provided proof, I posted actual photo's that were certified by a surrogate as proof, and then you claim it was probably photo shopped or something like that. How would you know considering you don't even understand how to post HTML pictures?
P.S. provide the link showing that the supreme court is requesting to see the original document.
The Supreme Court isn't looking into it. Berg's case was thrown out of court.
That is why the Supreme Court is requesting to see the Original document to inspect it personally.
I'm sure you just forgot to add, the Hawaii Supreme Court.
For all the nutjobs who lack common sense:
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical).
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
You know what I like, Snoop? The way you play the wingnuts, letting them string up their rope on the birth certificate BS, before you post that, and they shut up and crawl back into their holes. It would be much less fun if you busted it out right away.
Well played.
*wink* *wink* I'll get back to ya on that *wink* *wink*...You betcha *wink*
Randy
And yet Savageweiner has so many things to despise about himself. Why would he obsess over that one?
Because it's the one he has the least control over. See Larry Craig and Mark Foley.
Randy
Homosexuals and homosexual marriage is a choice, and until it's proven otherwise, they should not be given any special rights.
And because that's true, and because we have this thing called freedom, they also shouldn't be discriminated against.
It's NOT true. Such as, if you are heterosexual, when did you choose to like someone of the opposite sex or did you just "know" it like the rest of us? Being gay, for most, isn't a choice at all, it's how they were born.
"Well, we don't even know where Obama was born."
I do, it was Hawaii. I guess I'm smarter than Savage.
"His grandmother died the night before the election."
Yes, so? Are you going to blame it on Hillary?
"There's a lot of questions around this character that the media won't answer. Let's start with what country he's from. Why was the birth certificate never produced?"
Why does Savage have a radio show? I can can make stuff up just as well, can I get a show?
"Why in the world did he take time off from the campaign to visit the grandmother who then suddenly and suspiciously died virtually the night before the election? Tell me about that."
"Suspiciously"? She had been sick for a while, Obama was told she may or may not make it past the election so he went to see her one last time. And if he hadn't, imagine the field day the RWnuts would have had with that one.
Being Republican means always having it both ways.
PLEASE...PLEASE tell me you DIDN'T say 'having it both ways' in a thread on this topic. ;)
Savage is just too too stupid for anyone to try to ocnvince him of anything. ap[parently he coes not read current events. May get all his news fron rush, etc. However, regarding Obama's birth, I have a great friend, a retired RN like I am who was present at the birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii. Perhaps Savage missed the statemnt by Hawaiian governement that has in fact verified that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. Perhaps the search skill of some is just so negligable that they cannot check out what they post or they are just liars. Eithe way, who cares what the say. Ssite address is http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
The information was POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008 and UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008. Perhaps Savage does not know how to do a fact check on the net. Who knows?Let's add COWARD to the list of Savage's flaws. For all his loud mouth, tough talking, "I'm gonna do this and that" he sure does back down pretty fast when he is invited to a public fight. He said on his show he was invited to sit on the Larry King panel tonight for the discussion of Prop 8 in CA. HE BACKED DOWN! Ha! Oh yeah, he's so committed to "saving" the country. Why didn't he get in front of a camera and talk tough like he does on his show? BECAUSE MICHEAL SAVAGE IS A PATHETIC COWARD, that's why.
COWARD COWARD COWARD COWARD COWARD COWARD COWARD
RE: Fairness Doctrine v Free Speech
Free speech doesn't strictly apply to broadcast media. Unlike a newspaper or a soapbox on the corner, the government has reserved unto itself the right to LICENSE broadcasters. This license, like many other types of licenses, can have restrictions on it. Broadcast licenses for many years had a requirement (called the Fairness Doctrine) that they allow other points of view to be heard.
Not surprisingly, broadcasters actually LIKE at least some regulation. Without it, anyone could put up a transmitter that used their frequency.
By the way, anyone who would like to claim that talk radio provides for all points of view should try to get past a call screener for Hannity, Rush or Inghram with a question or point they don't like. The 'best' you will do is be put on hold until they come on to tell you that they just don't have time.
Those who have a problem with gay poeople (ie Ted Haggard, Michael "Savage" Wiener) often have a problem with their own sexual identity.
To paraphrase Shakesphere, "Methinks Mr. Wiener doth protest too much"
Eighty six year old woman dies. Very suspicious.
Is it posiibble that Michel Wiener's high school diploma is a forgery ? Has anyone ever seen it? I think we should DEMAND that he produce it!