Savage on America: "We're probably 50 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler"
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SUMMARY: On his radio show, Michael Savage said of the United States: "[S]ocially, we're far worse -- more degenerate than Weimar Germany. At least in Weimar Germany, men couldn't marry men and women couldn't marry women. So we're probably 10 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We're probably 50 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We are the sickest, most disgusting country on the earth."
During the November 24 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said of the United States: "[S]ocially, we're far worse -- more degenerate than Weimar Germany. At least in Weimar Germany, men couldn't marry men and women couldn't marry women. So we're probably 10 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We're probably 50 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We are the sickest, most disgusting country on the earth, and we are psycholo -- psychotically -- we are psychotic as a nation."
Savage made the remarks while discussing reports that the U.S. government -- which he described as "this group of cretins from Yale and Harvard" -- has pledged more than $7 trillion in an attempt to resolve the financial and credit crises. The financial bailouts led Savage to conclude, "It's Weimar Germany all over again. It doesn't look like that, but it's liable to become like that." Following his references to the "degeneracy" that "brought about Hitler" and his claims that America is "the sickest, most disgusting country on the earth" and "psychotic as a nation," Savage continued:
It's a psychotic nation when the attorney general of the state of California, when the senator from the state of California named Dianne Feinstein, when the governor from the state of California who posed as a strongman gets up there and says that homosexuals have a right to marry that's equal to a man and a woman, they're insane. They are fundamentally insane.
Media Matters for America has documented several instances in which Savage has made similar comments:
- In September, Savage asserted of the Folsom Street Fair, a leather-themed adult-entertainment event in San Francisco: "This country today is far beyond the excesses of the Weimar Republic that led to Adolf Hitler. God forbid that should ever happen here. But the German people, who were not all Nazis prior to Hitler's arrival on the scene, were shocked by the degenerates of Berlin. They were sickened by the perverts, sickened by the artistes, they were sickened by the leather fetishists, they were sickened by the degeneracy, and they couldn't handle it." Savage added that the people who participated in the Folsom Street Fair were "doing what they do because they're sick, they're mentally ill. Every last person there is a mentally ill person, in my opinion."
- Savage also previously drew connections between same-sex marriage and the financial crisis, saying on his October 1 show, "[Y]ou may say, 'Why should we care about homosexuals trying to destroy families through the mock marriage that they perform in order to mock God, the church, the family, children, the fetus, the DNA of the human species? Why should we care about it while we have a financial meltdown?' Because the spiritual side of the downturn on Wall Street is directly related to the moral downturn in the United States of America." Savage went on to assert, "[T]he government has no right to force people to accept homosexual marriage. It is why the West is dying. It is why we're melting down as a nation."
- In late October, Savage said of Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage, "[T]here's a ballot initiative on homosexual marriage that is more important than you could imagine. It's called Proposition 8, and you must vote 'yes' if you're sane. If you're insane, hate the family, hate man and woman, hate your mother and father, hate the Bible, hate the church, and hate the synagogue, of course you're in favor of 'no' on Proposition 8." The next day on his program, Savage stated: "[T]he people who don't have families don't understand that, as difficult as family life is, life is impossible without it. They don't understand that. They don't understand what the family unit is. It's the strongest bond on Earth, which is why homosexual marriage is such a threat to civilization itself."
Savage formerly hosted a television program on MSNBC but was fired after he described a caller as a "sodomite" and told him to "get AIDS and die." Savage has also repeatedly referred to "the homosexual mafia," claimed that "the homosexual dance of death" is a "seminal issue of our time," compared gays to "drug addicts," and repeatedly called gay parenting "child abuse."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 24 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: When I woke up this morning and I read that the government, whoever they are -- that means this group of cretins from Yale and Harvard -- agreed to bail out their friends from Yale and Harvard to the tune of $7.1 trillion, I started running around the house saying, "It's Weimar Germany all over again." It's Weimar Germany all over again. It doesn't look like that, but it's liable to become like that.
What do I mean by Weimar Germany? Well, socially, we're far worse -- more degenerate than Weimar Germany. At least in Weimar Germany, men couldn't marry men and women couldn't marry women. So we're probably 10 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We're probably 50 leagues below the degeneracy that brought about Hitler. We are the sickest, most disgusting country on the earth, and we are psycholo -- psychotically -- we are psychotic as a nation.
It's a psychotic nation when the attorney general of the state of California, when the senator from the state of California named Dianne Feinstein, when the governor from the state of California who posed as a strongman gets up there and says that homosexuals have a right to marry that's equal to a man and a woman, they're insane. They are fundamentally insane.
















What the hell does "degeneracy" have to do with bringing about someone like Hitler? By Savage's standards, a place like the Netherlands is a "sick" country, surely more so than we are. Have they ever had anyone even remotely like Hitler? Germans were pushed up against the wall after WWI, and the people responded to someone who had fiery rhetoric. It's not about some sense of national morality.
You mean....someone like Savageweiner? Reassuring? Loud? Absolute? Psychotic?
"You mean....someone like Savageweiner? Reassuring? Loud? Absolute? Psychotic?"
I'm sure that the SavageWeiner would happily have the 67 million of us that voted for Obama stand against a wall... with blindfolds on..... if he could.
At some point... this freak of nature will dissapear, never to be heard from again... and the Fairness Doctrine will have had nothing to do with it!!
Considering that Bob Jones U. finally apologized for a ban on interracial dating (a ban that only ended 9 years ago) I'd say the right has dragged us much farther down than 50 leagues...
I think Weimar Germany was a lot looser with the rules regarding killing and torturing people. Why is it that these rabid rightys always see things like two people loving each other as horrific and degenerate,, while violence and war are somewhere in the range of heartwarming to erotic?
Twisted priorities and irrational fear would be my guess, Col. It's all about the gays and the wrath of their imposing degenerate lifestyle that infiltrates all aspects of decency, morality and propriety, the world according to Savage. They will never let up, they will link the predatory gays to everything wrong, while they hide behind their bigotry and nonsense with Hitlerisms and any other evil entity. It's boring, anymore.
"...the predatory gays..."
WTF?
According to Savage, I believe he means.
Thank you,
jeez.....
Perhaps. Regardless, the phrase is sick and was not uttered by Savage in this clip.
Grow up Governor, you are truly pathetic. Neither was imposing lifestyle, decency, or other terms I used. If you didn't understand what I was getting at, then skip over my posts because you are incapable of simple logic.
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If I had any suspicions about your sudden name change, poof Governor gone, hello Victor, this latest piece of idiocy confirms what I already knew. In all my years on these boards, there have only been two posters who could post something so completely clueless as your questioning my use of the word "predatory". You and the Governor. Two peas in one pod, Governor. 'nuff said.
I was not questioning your use of the word "predatory", Tommy, I was questioning your coining of the phrase "the predatory gays". Go ahead and pretend I'm someone who used to make comments here, that I don't mind. Hell, I've been called worse. I do, however, take exception to your pretendting that I was objecting to a word as simple and benign as "predatory".
I think it's fair to say that phrase is pretty consistent with Savage's mindset. I'm also pretty sure that phrase didn't get coined on this thread.
It's the first I've seen it, and it bothered me. If he's speaking to a mindset that's not his own, he should have wrote so-called or something. But again, I had not heard it before and took offense to it. Who coined it? Who else even wrote it?
"Twisted priorities and irrational fear would be my guess, Col. It's all about the gays and the wrath of their imposing degenerate lifestyle that infiltrates all aspects of decency, morality and propriety, the world according to Savage."
The context makes it pretty clear what he's talking about, even the word "degenerate" which is a clear reference to the title of this item. I've seen and heard the phrase before, I'm sure. But again, even if he in fact did coin it, it obviously wasn't regarding his own views.
Right, "they will never let up," he was writing about "them" when he coined that term. Not his views. "Theirs."
"They" meaning people like Savage, of course. Also note the post that Tommy was responding to for further context.
Thanks, I took offense to his phrase in full context.
If you're completely unfamiliar with homophobes like Savage talking about gays "recruiting" or "converting" people, then you can pretend this is a concept that somehow manifested itself in Tommy's mind without any prompting whatsoever. Otherwise, there's really no justification for your reaction.
If you don't have a personal ax to grind with Tommy, then your behavior is particularly hard to explain. Something to bear in mind.
If you're completely unfamiliar with homophobes like Savage talking about gays "recruiting" or "converting" people, then you can pretend this is a concept that somehow manifested itself in Tommy's mind without any prompting whatsoever.
I get your point but I've never heard the term in question used before. And I was offended by it. It's really that simple.
I hope some analysis has helped you move past that initial reaction, then.
The feedback of others helped. But, let me ask this, if he had been replying with his take on "the predatory blacks" and how "those people" are viewed by some, whould you have thought it odd?
Not if it was an accurate portrayal of Savage's opinion, if it was clearly spelled out that it was irrational, and was clearly dripping with contempt for people who have such views, no. The intent would be clear and understandable.
Point taken. And I understand that he did not intend to introduce a new hateful term into our lexicon.
Thank you Brab, I appreciate it.
I apologize if appeared that I was attributing those vile views to you. That was not my intent.
Where specifically do you get the phrase "the predatory gays" from? I honestly had never heard it before and it upset me.
I will copy and paste Brab's explanation from earlier in answer to your question;
"If you're completely unfamiliar with homophobes like Savage talking about gays "recruiting" or "converting" people, then you can pretend this is a concept that somehow manifested itself in Tommy's mind without any prompting whatsoever"
There are people who believe gay people prey on others, children included, in order to recruit them, or something. They use it as a frontline defense in opposing gay people from adopting, or teaching, or in California from marrying. It's hideous, unfounded, ridiculous, insulting, and a baseless accusation. Reading Savage's rant on this thread, it's not a giant leap to believe he shares that bigoted view, hence the term predatory I attributed to him and those like him.
So you made that term up. Ok, I'll get over it now. Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving to you Governor. And if you're as clueless as to what to do with a turkey tomorrow as you have been on this thread, may I offer you this simple directive;
Just stuff it.
What kind of holiday spirit is that, Tommy?
Yeah, no wonder why "Governor" no longer posts here.
Ahh, it was just a little sweet potato mashing of our dear Governor, plump and ready to baste, it was just gravy.
No clue what "Governor" did to upset you, or why you're insisting that person is me, regardless, you are just plain mean. I've never been told such a horrible thing before Thanksgiving, and I doubt I'll be back here again.
And perhaps you thought it cute to practically accuse me of inventing the word "predatory", thereby attributing it, to gay people? That isn't mean? That is disguisting. Think about that next time you play victim.
Enjoy your holidays....
No problem at all.
Knowing Tommy I have to side with him on this. I've never known him to make disparaging comments about gays, the gay community or any particular group.
We don't agree on much politically and I argue with him as much as anyone, but I feel obligated to defend him when he's treated unfairly.
My reading of his comment "predatory gays" is that he implied that Savage and his listeners think that way about the gay community.
We all, myself included, need to lighten up with each other and start trying to give each other the benefit of the doubt.
I simply too offense to his use of "the predatory gays" term. He wrote it. No one else did. That's all. Good night.
I second that emotion. Tommy's not some raving lunatic. I may not agree with him, but he's the kind of guy that makes you have to think twice before you post a response. And unlike Jeter, he can keep it in his pants whenever Julia posts! ;)
Sorry Jeter, but I miss ya!
Thanks Worrier and Snoop, obviously the term was in context of the way I believe Savage feels about gay people, illustrated by the homophobic fears and irrational bigotry he displays, as shown in this thread topic.
Your posts are also appreciated, Happy Thanksgiving.
I'm not inferring anything here but you two seem to show up together.... A LOT!
Wow, this guy tops the Really Really Really Hates America list !
Spoken like a true patriot?
You helped this happen, Savage. Now SHUT UP and take responsibility for the mess you helped create!
As a degenerate myself, I'm offended by Dr. Weiner's implication linking degeneracy with perversion.
We've ostracized the perverts from our ranks a long time ago.
Well, as a pervert, I'd appreciate you degenerates being more inclusive.
Don't take it too personal, Thomp.Worrierking hates old people too.
As an old degenerating pervert, I'm feeling a bit isolated, here.
Somebody....hold me?
A true degenerate has the ability to make those around him fell even more uncomfortable than they feel.
And I don't hate old people. I just don't like them. Even though I'm one of them.
No irony in that. You're obviously familiar with all the characteristics that make us unlikable.
Liked your Norwegian joke in the other thread, Neon. Above posters, y'all can't fool us, you're faux degenerates.
Darned right! Leave the degenerating to us real degenerates!
You guys are so busted. :)
Mr. Wiener, don't flatter yourself. Your raging lust, which you so desperately repress, and your raging insanity, which you do not repress, cannot bring our country down. As for all manner of consenting adults who enjoy loving, committed relationships, you can't do anything to blunt their joy and zest for life. So why don't you go do something good for a change?
I notice that the Savage apologists are disappearing. I wonder how many of them are still listening to him despite being unwilling to defend his comments.
Aside from the raging heterosexist insanity in this clip, aside from the fact that Savage can say America is "disgusting" but any left-wing personality who makes a substantive critique of America is "unpatriotic", you know what I love most about this quote?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_(unit)
Leagues are not a measure of depth (Jules Verne made the same mistake, but he was smarter in the 19th century than Savage is now).
Well theoretically, if you turn a horizontal measurement vertical, it could be a depth (or a height).
and I'm not certain Verne made a mistake, I think he was talking length of voyage, rather than the depth (60,000 miles would have taken him well beyond the "Center of the Earth".
That would be over two times around the circumference of the earth. That would seem like a mistake as well.
One could circle the earth 2+ times, or one could cover 20,000 leagues in one circumvention, depending on route.
"Leagues are not a measure of depth (Jules Verne made the same mistake, but he was smarter in the 19th century than Savage is now)."
Jules Verne did not make any such mistake. His "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" was a measure of how far the submarine travled under water, not how deep the sea is.
Where's all the right fauxrage! He's putting down America and not one peep from outraged rightwingers. WTF?
he is not an Ailes amployee..........yet.
if i felt as strongly about this as mr. savage does, then i would do the only thing reasonable, under the circumstances: i would leave this country, and relocate to one more befitting my high-minded standards.
of course, i don't expect him to do that, this is all schtick for his choir. with any luck, his choir will move, en masse, somewhere else.
hey, a boy can dream, can't he?
Somewhere like, North Korea perhaps?
Iran, any one?????
How bout a very thin border state between Palistine and Israel. With Mikey as "Fearless Leader".
Miramar, or some other nice theocracy under sharia law would also suit him.
I'm thinking more like a 100 miles due west of the Israeli coast.
Mars is really nice this time of year.
Is it summer there? Or would it be in the time it would take him to make the voyage (certainly longer than 50 leagues).
i was thinking more along the lines of the marianas trench. transportation-in costs would be minimal, just use one o' them huge tankers, anchor it right above, and dump them out.
it's the only way to be sure.
Savage is a mega-t*rd. America is NOTHING like Hitler's Germany. If we were, Savage would not be allowed to spew his stupidity all over the airwaves day after day.
You dont think the fairness doctrin is like socilist germany? You want to shut down the right wingers soapbox and you call it fair?
Wow! You guys have got the FD rhetoric dialed in. Seeing as nobody is talking about bringing it back and all. That, and it wouldn't silence Savage, not one bit. It wouldn't silence anyone. You do know what the FD is for correct? It allows the opposing side to be heard and or to respond to someone blatantly attacking a position. It doesn't silence one side, or the other, it allows both sides to be heard. I'm not for the FD, and don't really care about it, but the fact that you guys keep thinking that it would silence the right wing talk shows is just ridiculous.
Despite the fact that "Mr." (using that term very advisedly) Weiner has to rate as one of the most hate-filled personages in the history of American media, perhaps her has a point about American degeneracy...
After all, the man pulls in about--what is it?--eight million listeners a day? Now that's degeneracy for you...
What was Weiner on when he came up with this rant? I want to know so I can avoid it.
What's the difference between Fred Phelps and Michael Savage? Savage is Jewish, I think, but besides that? Anyone know? I can't think of a difference.
Come to think of it, FL, has anyone ever seen Phelps and Weiner in the same place at the same time?...
"...the sickest, most disgusting country in the earth"?! Gee, Michael, if you feel that way, why are you always bitching about liberals dissing their country? No, come to think of it, if you feel that way, WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE, M.F.!"
After Obama's election he DID talk about leaving the country - great American that he is (heavy sarcasm). He asked callers to call in and say where they would move to if they could. Italy was one of his possibilites, as was some island somewhere. Oh yeah, patriotic to the end.
Could the Savage Weiner's aversion to fellows who are queer. Come from a desire to be 'effed in the rear.
I realize that these are selected quotes from Savage and I must assume that to have an audience he must at some time say something that makes sense. I've never listened to him and have no intention of doing so. I must ask is he a**hole that he appears to be?
"He wouldn't be the first rabid anti-gay public person to have led a double life."
Well to be fair, pretty much only with Republicans, oh wait...