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MSNBC's Brewer cited Drudge-promoted Daily Mail story on Obama's $30K ring, didn't mention Obama denial

December 02, 2008 3:32 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On MSNBC Live, Contessa Brewer cited a London Daily Mail report that said, in Brewer's words, President-elect Barack Obama is "buying a $30,000 diamond ring for his lovely bride as a thank-you for her support during the election." But Brewer did not note that the Obama transition team has reportedly denied the report, which had been featured as the lead headline on the Drudge Report. Unlike Brewer, the Drudge Report subsequently noted the denial.

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During the noon ET hour of MSNBC Live on December 2, anchor Contessa Brewer said that Michelle Obama "may be getting some inaugural ice" and went on to cite a London Daily Mail report that said, in Brewer's words, President-elect Barack Obama is "buying a $30,000 diamond ring for his lovely bride as a thank-you for her support during the election." But Brewer did not note that the Obama transition team has reportedly denied the Daily Mail's report, which was based on a single unnamed source. Prior to Brewer's referencing the Daily Mail article, it was featured as the lead headline on the Drudge Report, which -- unlike Brewer -- also subsequently noted the Obama transition team's denial. This marks at least the third time since October that an MSNBC anchor has echoed a dubious, misleading, or false story involving Obama featured by the Drudge Report.

In a blog post published roughly two and a half hours before Brewer's MSNBC segment, Politico's Ben Smith reported that Dan Pfeiffer, communications director for Obama's transition team, had "flatly denied" the Daily Mail story, saying in an email that it was "not true."

The Daily Mail article cited an anonymous "spokesman" for Italian designer Giovanni Bosco, who reportedly said, "Our agent in the United States was asked by Mr Barack Obama about the ring because he wants it as a thank you gift for his wife Michelle for her support the last two years." Smith wrote in his post that other than the quote from the unnamed source, "there seems to be no other evidence for the claim" that Obama plans to purchase the ring. Indeed, after Brewer's report, the Daily Mail posted an updated version of the article with the headline and lead paragraph focused entirely on the denial.

By 7:52 p.m. ET on December 1, Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to the Daily Mail report as the lead headline on his website:

Drudge screengrab

By 9:47 a.m. ET on December 2 -- more than two hours before Brewer's report -- Drudge posted an additional headline that read, "Obama rep denies ring story... Developing..." Moments later, by 9:57 a.m. ET, Drudge added a link to that headline directing readers to Smith's blog post:

Drudge screengrab

Media Matters for America has documented other instances in which MSNBC hosts have uncritically cited misleading or false items from the Drudge Report, including:

  • During the October 28 edition of Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough echoed the Drudge Report's October 27 false headline regarding a 2001 Obama radio interview: "2001 Obama: Tragedy that 'Redistribution of Wealth' not Pursued by Supreme Court." Scarborough said of Obama: "Who would think that when a guy talks about one of the -- that the Warren Court, the Warren Court did not go far enough, that actually one of the great tragedies was there was no redistribution of wealth." Further, co-host Willie Geist falsely asserted that during the 2001 interview, "Obama says one of the great failures of the civil rights movement is that it didn't lead to a redistribution of wealth by the Supreme Court." In fact, contrary to these assertions by Drudge, Scarborough, and Geist, the "traged[y]" Obama identified during the interview was that the civil rights movement relied too much on the courts in its efforts to bring about political and economic justice.
  • On October 17, Morning Joe echoed the Drudge Report by displaying on-screen text that read, "Gallup shock" and selectively citing only one of three findings from an October 13-15 Gallup daily tracking poll of the presidential race -- the result that showed Obama holding his smallest lead over Sen. John McCain.

From the noon ET hour of MSNBC Live on December 2:

BREWER: Next year, the Obama girls will get a presidential puppy, and now it looks like Michelle Obama may be getting some inaugural ice. According to the U.K.'s Daily Mail newspaper -- really, we have to go to a British newspaper to announce things about our own future first lady? Well, anyway, according to the London newspaper, Barack Obama's buying a $30,000 diamond ring for his lovely bride as a thank-you for her support during the election. The stones would be set in rhodium, the most expensive metal in the world, priced at nearly $7,500 an ounce, but you know what? Nothing is too good for the first lady. Quick break here, we'll be right back.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (December 02, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
         
      How can you make a decent strawman if you have to grasp at straws. The miracle of neocon thought. I could be wrong the glycol pump on the "Mindreader" TM, is making funny noises.
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    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
         
      Big deal, even if it's true. Joe the Plumber could buy 8 of those rings a year, provided they were imaginary rings and his imaginary business was doing enough imaginary plumbing.
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      • Author by pete592 (December 02, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
           

        Big deal, indeed.  I think a guy who resoles his favorite shoes every time they wear out can splurge on a gift for his wife and still sleep at night.

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        • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
             

          I agree, who cares.  If Obama gets his wife a ring with a mechanical claw, or from a swanky jewelry store, it's nobody's business but his. 

          One can only hope that along with the change of tone and demeanor in Washington next year, will this kind of silliness go away as well.  Fat chance.

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          • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
               

            Only 30 large?  Cheepskate.

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
               

            A ring with a mechanical claw would be pretty badass, Tommy. You think of the coolest stuff.

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            • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
                 

              All my fine jewelry comes from them, I just can't depend on Cracker Jack boxes anymore.

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              • Author by nerzog (December 02, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
                   

                I've had pretty good luck with bubblegum machines.  Remember those cool miniature cigarette lighters they used to have?  Of course, I usually get the rubber spider.

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                • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 6:27 pm ET)
                     

                  I was partial to SweetTart necklaces myself, and mood rings that you could bend to fit any finger.  Eat your heart out Michele Obama.

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                  • Author by worrierking (December 02, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
                       

                    It's too bad that tobacco has gotten such bad publicity.

                    Those paper cigar bands made damned fine rings.

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                    • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
                         

                      Or the candied cigarettes, I felt like the coolest kid when I could walk around the neighborhood flicking them here and there like the grown ups did.  Ok, I was weird.

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                      • Author by worrierking (December 02, 2008 6:53 pm ET)
                           

                        Oh my God.

                        I'm the east coast version of you.

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                        • Author by Craig (December 02, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
                             

                          Thanks to the wonder of the internet, candy cigarettes are available again, just in time for your and Tommy's senility.

                          P.S. I have had to borrow your ruler extensively on this thread. Thanks.

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                          • Author by djasper2761 (December 03, 2008 12:49 pm ET)
                               

                            Speaking about pot, all presidents end up on stamps. I am putting in my vote now. I think bush should be on the 1/4 cent marijuana tax stamp.

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                      • Author by nerzog (December 03, 2008 10:40 am ET)
                           

                        Remember the chocolate cigarettes?  They were little sticks of chocolate wrapped in cigarette paper, and looked absolutely real.  This would have been around 1964.

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        • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
             

          My guess is that Obama's people are only denying the $30k ring claim on the grounds that it's not true. 

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          • Author by djasper2761 (December 03, 2008 11:55 am ET)
               

            I think shyawn inshannity will uncover what will be known as "Blood Diamond Ring Gate". Obama will be charged and extradited back to Africa and be hanged. This will happen as a result of secret tapes (reel to reel) with Obama and Biden conspiring to buy this Blood Diamond Ring. Biden will be charged with lieing to congress and Pelosi will be the President. bush will protest and use the courts to go on to his third term. This will all happen in the next week. The week after that we will invade Iran and the war time economy will bring us out of the recession.

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    • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
         

      "We can't be the old, white guy party, it's not going to work," he said.

      "It means recruiting candidates that look like the population we are trying to attract to our cause," Bush said.

      Yup, to republicans, it's all about looks, not substance...

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      • Author by wzwriter (December 02, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
           

        Yup, to republicans, it's all about looks, not substance...

        The last Republican conservative that had any substance was Barry Goldwater.  He may not have been right, his positions may not have been popular, but he was consistent.  And it's significant to note that toward the end of his life, he came to believe that it was wrong to deny gays the right to marry.

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        • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
             

          I find the YUP comment directed at Republicans laughable considering who is President Elect.

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          • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
               

            What do you mean?

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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
                 

              AA uses that word , "laughable", on a regular basis, usually directed at very sensible statements. It's how brainwashed imbeciles react to reallity. Haven't you seen crazy people on the street laughing at the sidewalk?

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 02, 2008 8:55 pm ET)
                   

                On MMfA, he uses "laughable." On Free Republic, the same wingies use "LOL."

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            • Author by magnolialover (December 02, 2008 4:27 pm ET)
                 

              I'm sure what he means, is that Obama is all show and no go, as we've been hearing from the republicans since the time he became the front runner during the primary season. I'm also sure he'll come along any minute now, and remind us all that Obama doesn't have any plans for being President, he's not planning or doesn't have any idea what to do (of course, contrary to what is actually happening). And I'm sure he'll also be glad to tell us that we don't know "anything" about Obama, he's a mystery, you know, discounting the 2 books he's written about himself, the endless news stories we've had about him, and his proposals, of course, which also reminds me, that AA, and some others, haven't been paying attention, or even attempting to get, you know, information about Obama.

              It's not that hard if you try AA, give it a whirl. You'd be surprised what you'd find if you went to www.google.com, and found the Obama website, and then read about his plans, proposals, and policy positions.

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              • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                   

                Mags,

                I again have to laugh when others, like you, make up their own arguments and  assign them to me, so they can provide some sort of snarky reply.   Very efficient!

                ps. I noticed in your reply you conveniently forgot to mention anything of substance accomplished by PEOTUS Obama.  Must be you didn't follow your own advice.

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                • Author by nerzog (December 02, 2008 6:21 pm ET)
                     

                  He won the election.  That's an accomplishment in itself.

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                • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:43 pm ET)
                     

                  Well, thing is, is what I wrote above, is what you were trying to get at, through your calling for "substance" in what he's done over the course of his life.

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          • Author by peebs755 (December 02, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
               

            Yes. I don't understand what you mean, either.

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            • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
                 

              Oh come on...   Name anything of substance Obama accomplished in the Senate other than get elected President. 

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              • Author by princeofwheels (December 02, 2008 4:27 pm ET)
                   

                Why? Isn't that enough? And what does that have to do with Drudge? Name something he has done other than reprint what someone tells him.

                Colonel..don't you mean Joe the Imaginary Plumber?

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                • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
                     

                  pow,

                  My comments werer directed originally at snoopy's comment about all looks and no substance being a Republican trait. I'm of the opinion that it is those who voted for Obama who took looks over substance.

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                  • Author by mefirst (December 02, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
                       

                    sure thing.  a harvard lawyer against a ticket that had a vice presidential candidate unable to form a complete rational coherent sentence.  you betcha.

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                  • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 7:26 pm ET)
                       

                    Yeah, you really got us with that one! Us democrats only voted for Obama because we wanted a black man to win so we could make them righties really, really mad. Yup, us dem's only run minority candidates to attract them to our party, which is why Jeb's real intent was to suggest republicans need to counter that effort. No, republicans would never resort to superficial candidates, which is why we have such lofty discussions about what price ring Obama never bought for his wife. Got us there, oh mighty SS...

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 2:44 pm ET)
                         

                      Snoop,

                      I noticed in your note no mention of anything of substance accomplished by Sen. Obama.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (December 03, 2008 3:01 pm ET)
                           

                        Again, you're pretending as if there are two options here:"looks" and "accomplishments".  "Substance" doesn't require "accomplishments", which is your invalid framework here.

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                • Author by BHO=Illegitimate (December 02, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                     

                  "Name something he (Drudge) has done other than reprint what someone tells him."

                  Isn't that what all reporters do?  I mean, like, isn't that their job?

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              • Author by magnolialover (December 02, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
                   

                See link

                http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

                You're welcome.

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                • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                     

                  He meant besides those ones!  Gosh!

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                • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
                     

                  Wow, good call on your part to your reply to Victor. AA was right on cue.

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                • Author by princeofwheels (December 02, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                     

                  That is cheating Mags. You are using facts again. How dare you be sooo elitist to use such underhanded methods to prove a point? I'm looking to ban you. You keep chasing the "OTHERS" away.

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                  • Author by albertsenj (December 03, 2008 4:01 am ET)
                       

                    I think it was Steve Colbert who said 'reality has a liberal slant'. Now, if you can start with THAT premise, you can understand why some on the right prefer living in an echo chamber.

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                • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
                     

                  Mags,

                  If you will not provide something of "subtance", I am not going to try to figure it out by going to take a "look".

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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 02, 2008 8:59 pm ET)
                       

                    Ignoring the proffers of evidence is the root of the word "ignorance."

                    The only "substance" you have displayed so far is the smelly stuff one pulls from the nether regions.

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                  • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:26 pm ET)
                       

                    You asked what he had done, of substance, I provided a link, let me follow up with these tid bits:

                    1. Went to Columbia
                    2. Went to Harvard Law School
                    3. Was first black editor of Harvard Law Review
                    4. Has 3 bestselling books
                    5. Elected to State Senate in Illinois
                    6. Elected to US Senate
                    7. Elected to Preident of the United States
                    8. Worked for a prestigious law firm
                    9. Wrote, sponsored, and co-sponsored a lot of legislation for a JR Senator

                    All of those things are pretty substantial. Not sure what else you want.

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:00 pm ET)
                         

                      Mags,

                      I don't discount going to Ivy League schools, (partly through affirmative action), and getting elected to high office are  accomplishments. I would not describe them as 'substance'.  Besides, two of the books were autobiographies. Besides making a substantial amount of money on the books, some claim they were in part ghosted, it doesn't rise to the level of 'substantial' in my book. Two autobiographies by the time you are 48 and just elected to the Senate? How are those books 'substantial'?  His election as editor of the HLR was being in the right place at the right time. There was a very strong push to elect a black as Chief editor. Again, being elected by others on the Review is an accomplishment, but is it 'substance'?  Did he write anything for his own Review?  I do believe if he did, he wrote less than any other to hold that same position. (Please correct me if I am wrong.)

                      Your #9 says it all. Just claiming he did a lot as Jr. Senator does not prove it. You did not come up with anything of substance he did as a Senator.

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              • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
                   

                AA,

                I will admit that when Obama was running initially, I was skeptical of his inexperience, I said so here early on.  I liked him, but I wasn't sure that he had the qualifications for the job he was seeking.  As the campaign evolved, I began to realize that having a laundry list of congressional bills or programs with your name attached to them wasn't what I was looking for, or what we needed as president.  My opinion.  I wasn't looking for years and years of legislative or gubernatorial entrenchment, it was slipping in priorities, for me anyway.

                Hence the appeal of Obama, again, for me.  What he lacks in senatorial experience did not trouble me as much as other qualitites I was looking for.  Even issues where I disagree with Obama, and there are some, it became secondary to electing a leader who is honest, forthright, has integrity, intelligence, and surrounds himself with competent people.  Look at Obama's campaign, it was a tight ship run brilliantly.  I think that is very telling as to what his administration will be.

                But the biggest reason is we have tried Bush, and are exhausted from Bush, and need a dramatic change from Bush, no more Bush.  I am sorry, nothing Obama can do can be any worse.  You may say he's inexperienced, maybe he is - but he is someone I trust to do what he believes is the right thing, I hold him to a very high standard and will be watching closely.  If I am proven wrong, I will admit it.  But I intend to give him a chance, we all should, for the good of us all.

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                • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 02, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
                     

                  Very well said Tommy...

                  Now , I'm going to send an e-mail to the Contessa.  If she had an ounce of integrity, she'd quit.

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                • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
                     

                  Tommy,

                  You prove my point to Snoop.

                  You voted for Obama based on what is essentially "looks" over anything of "substance".

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                  • Author by magnolialover (December 02, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                       

                    Of course, once again, you actually ignore the things that he's done in his life, not just in the Senate, but everything else. Do so at your own risk. You haven't done any research have you? Nope. You probably haven't even tried.. Sad..

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
                         

                      Mags,

                      I asked a simple question. Nobody has responded yet with anything of substance other than links, including uh..  you.

                      Nice try.

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                      • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
                           

                        Do you even know what Senators do?

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                        • Author by princeofwheels (December 02, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                             

                          When Bush was asked that question he answered, " They run the senatation department".

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                          • Author by djasper2761 (December 03, 2008 12:25 pm ET)
                               

                            I will have to visualize the "he he he's" and the shoulder shrugs. bush "won" his first term thru the courts and as a result of Clinton having sex in the white house. bush "won" his second term because Kerry was swift boated and looked to much like Andrew Jackson. bush became president under dubious circumstances. Obama became president because enough people are willing to give a very smart guy a chance to undo what bush and company has created: a big pile of poo. That is not to suggest if you have a big pile of poo that needs cleaned up, you call in the black guy, either. That sounds too much like a right wing talking point.

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                        • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                             

                          Every response that does not have something of substance by Senator Obama only further proves my point.  Thanks.

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                          • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 5:20 pm ET)
                               

                            Please cite an example of 'something of substance'.

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                          • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 5:34 pm ET)
                               

                            So you don't even know what you're asking for.  Ok then.

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                          • Author by pete592 (December 02, 2008 11:24 pm ET)
                               

                            What is the standard by which you are measuring the "substance" of the work a Senator does?

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                          • Author by djasper2761 (December 03, 2008 12:29 pm ET)
                               

                            I know bush got rid of the dreaded prosperity thing but, other than that, what has bush and company accomplished?

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                      • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:26 pm ET)
                           

                        Did you read the link? Or check it? As in, those were things that he did, of Substance.

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                  • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
                       

                    Regardless of how you interpret the reason that some guy on a Media Matters discussion board voted for Obama, it's not necessarily something that you can accurately attribute cross the board to the remaining 66,882,229 Americans who voted for the same candidate.

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                    • Author by pete592 (December 02, 2008 11:31 pm ET)
                         

                      Yes!  Thank you!  I guess according to AA, everyone has to vote according to "substance," whatever it is he means by that.  Americans have a myriad of reasons why they vote for someone, and they also have the freedom to vote based on those reasons.

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                      • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
                           

                        Pete,

                        Apparently you are misreading my statements. I never said anyone had to vote because of substance. Anyone can vote for anyone for any reason. We are in agreement.

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                        • Author by Victor Colorado (December 03, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
                             

                          Can you please provide an example of something that someone has done in the US Senate that you think is substantial?

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
                       

                     ...honest, forthright, has integrity, intelligence, and surrounds himself with competent people.  Look at Obama's campaign, it was a tight ship run brilliantly. 

                    AA, the above words are from Tommy's post. What's "laughable" is a second-string troll like you commenting on anything to do with substance. Turn off Sean Hannity once in a while and open your eyes.

                    Remember, you're the nutsack who described the VP pick of Sarah Palin as "genius". Talk about a big doggone pile of nuthin.

                    ;0)

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                    • Author by worrierking (December 02, 2008 6:44 pm ET)
                         

                      You'd think that someone who made a claim like that would explain it after the McCain/Palin debacle.

                      That is if he wanted to be treated as anything but a "nutsack".

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                  • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
                       

                    AA,

                    You can trivialize it down to "looks" if you want too; but to me, integrity, honesty, smarts, absence of arrogance, stupidity, and ineffectiveness are damn good reasons to vote for somebody.  It ain't all about issues for me, maybe it is for you, and that is fine.  But I do find it a little arrogant for you to tell me what qualitities I should or should not be voting on.

                    If you are fine with continuing to support this failed Republican policy which has strayed far away from fiscal conservatism, be my guest.  I don't support it, sorry.

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
                         

                      Tommy,

                      My response to you has nothing to do with the Republicans. BTW, I agree with you wholeheartedly with that comment.

                      We have had discussions all along the campaign over candidates. You are entitled to pick your candidate for whatever reason you choose. If you feel Obama has integrity, honesty, smarts... ect.  so be it. I have never told you which qualities you should vote on and I am not doing so here. For you to say I am being arrogant is in my opinon off the mark.

                      However it seems to me, your replies are really in effect agreeing with my original point. Based on what you have written in this thread, you picked Obama on "looks" rather than "substance". I don't see why you are so defensive about it.

                      Anyway, this discussion has been fun but in reality is moot. Obama is PE.  God bless him. I hope you are correct.

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                      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 5:56 pm ET)
                           

                        Integrity, honesty and smarts are superficial qualities, in your mind? comparable to "looks"?

                        I think that's all anybody needs to know about you, AA.

                        LOL!

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                      • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
                           

                        AA, If you consider honor, integrity, intelligence, honesty, superficial "looks" stuff, then we simply disagree.  I am not defensive or apologetic on my vote for Obama, but that doesn't mean that he gets a free pass or some honeymoon either.  I voted for him for results, and a vote to improve the poisonous discourse that has permeated our politics.  It's all gotcha, partisan sniping and I am frankly sick of it. 

                        Look at Dick Cheney, for one, a man with decades of experience - and thanks to him and his boss, arguably the worst administration we have ever had.  And speaking as a conservative, his spending up the wazoo, etc, has virtually destroyed a strong opposition party, how incredibly sad.  So experience is all well and good, but when it's laced with ineptness, cronyism, corruption, pigheaded arrogance and the same old political maneuvering and slice and dice politics, then I am happy to go with the honest guy on the left.

                        We disagree.

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                        • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
                             

                          Tommy,

                          Honor, integrity, intelligence, and honesty are all subjective qualities based on your perception of Obama. I understand that.  I get that you voted for him. I get that you like him.

                          I'll stick to my original point, that those qualities you mentioned, are basically "looks". You voted for Obama based on subjective qualities you "see" in Obama over his stance on any particular issue (i.e., substance.) You are not alone.

                          We'll simply have to wait and see if what you "see" in Obama is correct.

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                          • Author by Brabantio (December 03, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
                               

                            Wait a minute.  This whole time you've been talking about accomplishment and experience.  Now you're saying that Obama's policies are "substance"?

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                    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 5:52 pm ET)
                         

                      Tommy, I think you give Barney way too much credit by suggesting it's about issues to him. He's doing the Hannity bit, asking for specific legislation Obama passed. Nobody's taking the bait, but if they did, the next step is to dismiss anything as "not world-changing", or it was co-sponsored, etc.

                      It's just troll work, I think AA passed the point where he even pretended to care about substance or issues a long time ago.

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                      • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
                           

                        Col,

                        I don't share your view of AA at all.  A troll is someone who lobs a bomb of no real substance and then scoots away unable to defend his or her opinions or arguments.  Or someone who gets banned and then reincarnates him or herself with a new and improved screenname.  That is, in my opinion, troll-like behavior. Not strong opinions that prompt passionate disagreements.

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                        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
                             

                          A troll is someone who lobs a bomb of no real substance and then scoots away unable to defend his or her opinions or arguments

                          Where are we disagreeing?

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                          • Author by tommy (December 02, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                               

                            Col, We all have our opinions on certain posters, I certainly do, and we will disagree on who is or isn't a "troll".  I guess it's ultimately up to the moderators here to weed them out.

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                          • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
                               

                            FWIW, I didn't think you were saying that AA should be banned.

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                            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 03, 2008 10:48 am ET)
                                 

                              Not at all, I think he's entertaining. I've never even flagged a post until recently when some geek kid started signing on under other posters names. I wholeheartedly encourage wingnuts to parade their bufoonery, just take credit for it.

                              At least Anotheramerican has kept the same screen name for as long as I've been here. He may not have anything ele going in the credibility dept., but it's a start.( still waiting on the substance of McCain)

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                              • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:29 pm ET)
                                   

                                It's funny, he keeps asking for things of substance, folks provide links of said substantial information, and he doesn't accept it, because we didn't write it out word for word for him.

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                                • Author by Victor Colorado (December 03, 2008 12:41 pm ET)
                                     

                                  First of all, the 70+ pieces of legislation that Obama worked on in the US Senate do not count.  Second of all, getting elected President of the US does not count.  Thirdly, his academic achievements do not count.  Fourthly, anything he did as a State Senator does not count.  Fifthly, any paid work he did before public office does not count.  Fifthly, any volunteer work he did before public office does not count.

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                                  • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:19 pm ET)
                                       

                                    VC,

                                    If you think those are things of "substance" so be it. We disagree over what is substance and what are accomplishments.  I find it curious that nobody so far has listed any concrete legislative acts that Obama has spearheaded.

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                                    • Author by Victor Colorado (December 03, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Please provide an example of an actual accomplishment of substance.

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                                    • Author by Victor Colorado (December 03, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
                                         

                                      I find it curious that nobody so far has listed any concrete legislative acts that Obama has spearheaded.

                                      That's becuase there's no point to citing anything that Obama was central to getting passed into law.  You'd say it does not count.  Ethics Reform?  No!  Does not count! 

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                    • Author by djasper2761 (December 03, 2008 12:37 pm ET)
                         

                      no kidding. After all we tried someone without integrity and honesty, and someone that is arrogant and stupid. Now that he is leaving office we are going to try the opposite.

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                  • Author by pbg (December 02, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
                       

                    Nonsense. You just equated 'substance' with 'experience.' They are by no means the same thing. 

                    John McCain may have had a bunch of experience, but ran a campaign devoid of political substance. Barack Hussein Obama had substantive points on just about all major issues, saying 'This is what I'm going to do, this is why i think it will work, here are the details of the program, and this is how I'm going top pay for it." That's political substance. Not 'Drill Baby Drill, not 'I know how to win wars," and certainly not talking about Czechoslovakia.

                    In September, we got a view of political substance when the financial meltdown hit. WE got to see the two candidates actually handling a crisis. And while Obama went to capitol hill and participated in discussions, McCain grandstanded, 'suspended' his campaign, made vague speeches and flipped his position many times. That's substance versus appearance. 

                    Barack Hussein Obama showed political substance in confronting his relative lack of experience: he chose Joe Biden as his running mate. He bolstered the ticket's weakest point. John McCain's choice of a running mate was a substanceless stunt.

                    With each appointment to his new team, Obama has been chosing experience, competence and expertise: relatively obscure people who know what they're doing.

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 02, 2008 5:35 pm ET)
                         

                      pbg,

                      No, I equated 'substance' with 'substance'.

                      McCain, like him or hate him, accomplished a lot in his life and his career. All Obama has done is gotten himself elected.

                      Again, you, like the others did not provide any substance as to what Obama accomplished.  If you think choosing Biden as a running mate is his greatest accomplishment of substance, so be it.

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                      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
                           

                        AA, What substantial things do you think McCain has accomplished ?

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                        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 02, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
                             

                          As Tommy said;

                          A troll is someone who lobs a bomb of no real substance and then scoots away unable to defend his or her opinions or arguments

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                        • Author by worrierking (December 02, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
                             

                          One of his biggest accomplishments was to flush any semblance of integrity he had down the crapper.

                          Does that count?

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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 02, 2008 5:59 pm ET)
                           

                        Lets see what has Gramps accomplished:

                        He crashed more than a few very expensive jets

                        He left his accident injured wife for a richer model.

                        He was a defender of Charles Keating.

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                      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (December 02, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
                           

                        McCain did accomplish a lot in his life and career.  He threw it all away when he ran for the Republican nomination in 2008, because he lacks integrity and conviction.

                        Integrity isn't substance (according to you), but it sure goes a long way in the minds of voters.  Remember when Kerry was demonized for compromising some of his policy positions?

                        Obama ran possibly the most flawless campaign in recent memory, scoring the largest margin of victory for a non-incumbent in modern history.  But, of course, he's just an empty suit who's never accomplished anything in his life, ever...  ever.

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                        • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
                             

                          Kyle,

                          I agree with you regarding Obama and his campaign. I never said Obama never accomplished anything in his life. Being elected Senator and then President are great accomplishments.

                          I keep wondering why everyone misinterprets what I write. It is very simple.  Snoop originally said "Yup, to republicans, it's all about looks, not substance... " 

                          Seeing as how Obama is PE, and nobody as of the time I am writing, has listed any legislative accomplishments other than to count them, it seems to me that my Democrat friends are even more guilty regarding "looks" over "substance".

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                      • Author by Brabantio (December 02, 2008 8:04 pm ET)
                           

                        No, you equated "substance" with "experience", as pbg rightly pointed out.  Someone without any experience or accomplishments whatsoever could still be supremely qualified for office based on other factors, such as things like integrity and intelligence which have been mentioned already.  That person would inarguably have substance.

                        Remember the context:

                        "We can't be the old, white guy party, it's not going to work," he said.

                        "It means recruiting candidates that look like the population we are trying to attract to our cause," Bush said.

                        Yup, to republicans, it's all about looks, not substance...

                        You have to be on some pretty serious drugs to argue that Democrats nominated a black man who had a Muslim father and the middle name of "Hussein" against a P.O.W. with over twenty years in the Senate based on appearances.  Quite obviously, Obama was nominated in spite of any sort of superficial concerns.

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                        • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
                             

                          I noticed you did not list anything Obama accomplished. Thanks for proving my point.

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                          • Author by Brabantio (December 03, 2008 3:38 pm ET)
                               

                            How does pointing out that accomplishments are not needed to prove substance prove your point?  Please do explain.

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                      • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:29 pm ET)
                           

                        I provided a link, you ignored it. I posted another list above, waiting for another silly response.

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                  • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
                       

                    Hmmm, tommy basically said Obama proved to him that he could run a responsible campaign which implied he could run a responsible presidency and you think that proved your point how?

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
                         

                      Snoop,

                      Tommy did not provide any proof that in Obama's Senatorial career, Obama did anything of 'substance', (i.e., any major legislation or hearings or initiatives.)

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              • Author by Blue Dog (December 02, 2008 10:28 pm ET)
                   

                Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign RelationsEnvironment and Public Worksand Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.[87] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[88] He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.[89] As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met withMahmoud Abbas before he became President of Palestine, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi condemning corruption in the Kenyan government.[90][91][92][93]

                Legislation:

                The status of Obama's bills and resolutions as noted in the below table is in accordance with thomas.loc.gov. Introduced in the Senate (IS) refers to bills pending approval in committee. Reported to the Senate (RS) refers to bills that have received favorable report in committee and may be placed on the calendar for vote. Approved by the Senate (ATS) describes bills which have gained approval.[4] Govtrack links from this column provide updated status, summaries, and full text of the bills.

                Type  â†“Number  â†“Title or description  â†“Status  â†“Notes 109 S. 697 Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act IS   109 S. 918 E-85 Fuel Utilization and Infrastructure Development Incentives Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 969 Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 1180 SAVE Reauthorization Act of 2005 IS [5] 109 S. 1194 Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act IS   109 S. 1426 Drinking Water Security Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 1630 National Emergency Family Locator Act IS [6][7] 109 S. 1638 Hurricane Katrina Emergency Health Workforce Act of 2005 IS [8][7][9] 109 S. 1685 To ensure the evacuation of individuals with special needs in times of emergency. IS [10][7] 109 S. 1770 Hurricane Katrina Fast-Track Refunds for Working Families Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 1920 Renewable Diesel Standard Act of 2005 IS [11][12] 109 S. 1975 Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 2045 Health Care for Hybrids Act IS [13] 109 S. 2047 Healthy Communities Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 2048 Lead Free Toys Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 2125 Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2005 ATS [14][15] 109 S. 2149 STEP UP Act of 2005 IS   109 S. 2154 To provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks. IS   109 S. 2179 CLEAN UP Act IS   109 S. 2201 Federal Aviation Administration Fair Labor Management Dispute Resolution Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2247 Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2257 Hurricane Katrina Working Family Tax Relief Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2259 Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2261 Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2280 STOP FRAUD Act IS   109 S. 2286 Equality for Two-Parent Families Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2319 Hurricane Katrina Recovery Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2348 Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2006 RS   109 S. 2358 VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2359 Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2441 Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act IS   109 S. 2446 American Fuels Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2484 Protecting Taxpayer Privacy Act IS   109 S. 2506 Healthy Places Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 2984 FILL UP Act IS [13] 109 S. 3155 To suspend temporarily the duty on RSD 1235. IS   109 S. 3156 To suspend temporarily the duty on N6-Benzyladenine. IS   109 S. 3157 To suspend temporarily the duty on MCPB acid and MCPB sodium salt. IS   109 S. 3158 To suspend temporarily the duty on 2-Methyl-4-chlorophenoxyacetic acid, salts, and esters. IS   109 S. 3159 To suspend temporarily the duty on gibberellic acid. IS   109 S. 3160 To suspend temporarily the duty on triphenyltin hydroxide. IS   109 S. 3161 To suspend temporarily the duty on certain sebacic acid. IS   109 S. 3162 To suspend temporarily the duty on bromoxynil octonoate. IS   109 S. 3163 To extend temporarily the suspension of duty on certain epoxy molding compounds. IS   109 S. 3243 To suspend temporarily the duty on metsulfuron-methyl. IS   109 S. 3244 To suspend temporarily the duty on dichlorprop-p aciddichlorprop-p dimethylamine salt, and dichlorprop-p 2-ethylhexyl ester. IS   109 S. 3245 To suspend temporarily the duty on 2,4-DB Acid and 2,4-DB Dimethylamine Salt. IS   109 S. 3249 To suspend temporarily the duty on metsulfuron-methyl. IS   109 S. 3250 To suspend temporarily the duty on 2,4-DB Acid and 2,4-DB Dimethylamine Salt. IS   109 S. 3251 To suspend temporarily the duty on dichlorprop-p aciddichlorprop-p dimethylamine salt, and dichlorprop-p 2-ethylhexyl ester. IS   109 S. 3475 Homes for Heroes Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 3554 Alternative Diesel Standard Act of 2006 IS [16] 109 S. 3627 Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 3631 Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act IS   109 S. 3694 Fuel Economy Reform Act IS   109 S. 3757 To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the `Katherine Dunham Post Office Building'. IS   109 S. 3822 Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 IS [17][18][19]

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                109 S. 3969 Lead Poisoning Reduction Act of 2006 IS [23][24] 109 S. 3988 Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 4069 Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2006 IS   109 S. 4102 Election Jamming Prevention Act of 2006 IS   109 S.CON.RES. 42 Recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day, and expressing the sense of Congress that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and... IS   109 S.CON.RES. 53 Expressing the sense of Congress that any effort to impose photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected. IS   109 S.RES. 291 To congratulate the Chicago White Sox on winning the 2005 World Series Championship. ATS   109 S.RES. 516 Recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day and expressing the sense of the Senate that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and... ATS   109 S.RES. 529 Designating July 13, 2006, as `National Summer Learning Day'. ATS   110 S. 114 Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act IS   110 S. 115 Oil SENSE Act IS [13] 110 S. 116 STEP UP Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 117 Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 133 American Fuels Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 433 Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 IS [25] 110 S. 453 Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007 RS [26][27][28] 110 S. 674 Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 692 VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 713 Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 737 Voter Advocate and Democracy Index Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 767 Fuel Economy Reform Act IS   110 S. 768 Fuel Economy Reform Act IS   110 S. 795 Citizenship Promotion Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 823 Microbicide Development Act IS   110 S. 906 Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 976 Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1067 Healthy Places Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1068 Healthy Communities Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1084 Homes for Heroes Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1151 Health Care for Hybrids Act IS [13] 110 S. 1181 Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act IS   110 S. 1222 STOP FRAUD Act IS   110 S. 1271 Homecoming Enhancement Research and Oversight (HERO) Act IS   110 S. 1306 Lead Free Toys Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1324 National Low-Carbon Fuel Standard Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1389 Climate Change Education Act IS   110 S. 1430 Iran Sanctions Enabling Act IS   110 S. 1513 Predominantly Black Institution Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1574 Teaching Residency Act IS   110 S. 1713 To provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks. IS   110 S. 1790 Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1811 Lead Poisoning Reduction Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1817 To ensure proper administration of the discharge of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder, and for other purposes. IS   110 S. 1818 Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act IS   110 S. 1824 Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1873 Improving Emergency Medical Care and Response Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1885 Military Family Job Protection Act IS   110 S. 1977 Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 1989 Pigford Claims Remedy Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2030 To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists. IS   110 S. 2044 Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2066 Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2111 Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act IS   110 S. 2132 To prohibit the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of children's products that contain lead, and for other purposes. IS   110 S. 2147 Security Contractor Accountability Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2202 Renewable Fuel Standard Extension Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2224 Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2227 Success in the Middle Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 2330 Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act IS   110 S. 2347 Prevention Through Affordable Access Act IS   110 S. 2392 National STEM Scholarship Database Act IS   110 S. 2428 National STEM Scholarship Database Act IS   110 S. 2433 Global Poverty Act of 2007 RS   110 S. 2519 Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007 IS   110 S. 3047 Enhancing Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education Act of 2008 IS   110 S. 3077 Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008 IS   110 S. 3142 A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to enhance public health activities related to stillbirth and sudden unexpected infant death. IS   110 S. 3358 A bill to provide for enhanced food-borne illness surveillance and food safety capacity. IS   110 S. 3506 A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the credit for purchase of vehicles fueled by natural gas orliquefied natural gas and to amend the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Usersto reauthorize the Clean School Bus Program of the Environmental Protection Agency. IS   110 S.CON.RES. 25 Condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society. RS [29]   110 S.CON.RES. 44 Expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks. IS   110 S.CON.RES. 46 Whereas Sickle Cell Disease is an inherited blood disorder that is a major health problem in the United States, primarily affecting African Americans; IS   110 S.CON.RES. 96 A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope. HDS   110 S.CON.RES. 5 Honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences. IS   110 S.J.RES. 23 Whereas the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq (Public Law 107-243) authorized the President `to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to... IS   110 S.RES. 133 Whereas Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was born in 1939 to Bishop W.A. and Mrs. Mary Patterson, Sr., in Humboldt, Tennessee; ATS   110 S.RES. 268 Designating July 12, 2007, as `National Summer Learning Day'. ATS   110 S.RES. 383 Honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio. IS   110 S.RES. 600 A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew GoodmanJames Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer". ATS   110 S.RES. 628 A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.


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                • Author by Blue Dog (December 02, 2008 10:30 pm ET)
                     

                  Sorry for the HORRIBLE formatting, folks, but I had to let AA know what THE FRIGGIN SCORE WAS.

                  Get with the GD program.  You don't like Obama?  Love it or leave it, you ass.

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                  • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:31 pm ET)
                       

                    If he doesn't like Obama, which apparently he does not, that's fine.

                    I wish he would drop the "substance" argument, because it makes him look like a complete and utter fool...

                    I'm sure he'll be along to say that the things you posted above were not "substantial" enough for him...

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                    • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                         

                      Mags,

                      Thanks again for writing for me. I can always count on you to distort what I am writing.  However the argument has never been what I consider to be substantial, but only if anyone can list anything Obama has done in the Senate that is substantial.

                      Which of the above bits of legislative accomplishments do you consider 'substantial'?

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                      • Author by Victor Colorado (December 03, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
                           

                        Can you please give an example of something substantial that anyone has ever done in the US Senate?  I am asking because I honetly have no idea of what you think is substantial.  I know passing Ethics Reform does not count.  I know that the other 70+ bills Obama has worked on don't count.  So, please.... tell me something substantial that any US senator has done.....

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                        • Author by Victor Colorado (December 04, 2008 9:28 am ET)
                             

                          And there in lies the problem, AA.... you have NO CLUE what you are asking for.

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                • Author by anotheramerican (December 03, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
                     

                  Kevino,

                  I appreciate the fact that someone finally responded to my original argument. Kudos.

                  However I did not argue that Obama never showed up on Capital Hill. Of course he did something while was there and your post shows it. However you could also post 100 other Senator's legislative record for that time period and they would look remarkably similar.

                  Which of those resolutions or acts you cited above would you say were 'substantial' and which of those were initiated by Obama?

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    • Author by peebs755 (December 02, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
         
      I fail to see how this story is newsworthy, true or false. Who cares if Obana buys his wife a ring, no matter what it costs. Is this supposed to be something I care about? I don't understand what Drudge and MSNBC are going for with this.
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
           

        I think the point is that MSNBC is passing off Drudge as a legitimate news source, which it's not.  Also, MSNBC, couldn't even point out the fact that Obama says that the report is not true, which MSNBC was sort of forced to leave out because had they pointed out that it's being denied by Obama, then they couldn't run the item in the first place, so I think the point is that MSNBC is passing off Drudge as a legitimate news source, which it's not.

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      • Author by Victor Colorado (December 02, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
           

        Sorry, that was rambling.

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    • Author by Caseysprings (December 02, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
         
      Who cares if he bought a 30K ring.
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      • Author by pete592 (December 02, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
           

        Those whose job it is to churn up drama where there is none.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 02, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
           

        I mean, who really cared that Cindy McCain showed up at the convention in a $1300,000 dress, or that Gramps wears $500 shoes?

        Oh right - those are TRUE while this story is FALSE.

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        • Author by foghornleghorn (December 02, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
             

          (That should read $300,000 dress)

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          • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 02, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
               

            Please forward this e-mail to Contessa Brewer

            12/2/08

            Dear Ms. Brewer,

            Today you informed us in your cute, perky, brain dead way, that Barack Obama was going to buy his wife a $30,000 ring.  Oh, isn’t that sweet!!  Did you find this little gem on the Drudge Report?  Is this how you provide the American people with the “news.”  You just act as a stenographer for a discredited, slop website like Drudge Report? 

            Would it be too much to ask that you include in your little gossip report that those close to Obama say the story is completely false?  Oh my!!, that wouldn’t exactly help you sell your little rumor, would it?

            You’re an absolute disgrace to journalism.  You’re a disgrace to the United States of America.  Did someone from the corporate office hand you this b8llsh8t, and you, being the pretty face, just read your lines?

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          • Author by magnolialover (December 02, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
               

            Don't forget the moose hunters 150K wardrobe.

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            • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
                 

              Heck, she's still wearing clothing bought by the republican party! So much for integrity (like she ever had any...)

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              • Author by Brabantio (December 02, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
                   

                My favorite part of that was the underwear she bought for her family on the RNC's dime.  If it really didn't occur to her that she was supposed to be buying clothes to make her look good, she's even dumber than anyone's given her credit for.  Considering her questionable per diem charges, it would seem she's just that greedy.

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                • Author by snoopy (December 02, 2008 8:44 pm ET)
                     

                  exactly. Having dealt with per diem, I'm totally amazed at her lack of ethics when it comes to spending "company money". I have to produce reciepts for food expenses above $20 a meal and have to go through an approval process to get reimbursed. Why wouldn't these corporation minded republicans think it necessary for people feeding off of their corporation expenses to not follow the same ethics rules they demand of the peons?

                  Oh, sorry, typing that response explained it...

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    • Author by shaggles (December 02, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
         

      If this was true what would be the significance?  If he can afford a $30K ring for his why shouldn't he buy it?

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (December 02, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
           

        Because he's a lazy, unsuccessful liberal who has never worked a day in his life and every penny he has ever 'earned' has been handed to him on a silver platter by the government and affirmative action programs.

        Right?

        :)

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 02, 2008 9:08 pm ET)
             

          That describes Clarence Thomas, not Barack Obama.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 02, 2008 9:08 pm ET)
               

            Except for the "liberal" part.

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          • Author by shaggles (December 03, 2008 11:33 am ET)
               

            I don't like Thomas but I'm sure he worked hard to get where he is just like Obama.  He may be lazy now (how many years since he's asked a question in court?) but not just anybody gets to be a judge let alone a Supreme Court Justice.

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    • Author by placitasroy (December 02, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
         
      Our local Druggie Limpballs wannabe frequently uses Drudge as his source for outrageous stories that have been debunked. Sludge knows damn well the bell cannot be unrung. Once in the right-wing propaganda stream, it stays there- Big LIE rule # 3.
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    • Author by Missouri Democrat (December 02, 2008 6:06 pm ET)
         

      I'm trying to figure out where Palin's substance is. Could it be in her ability to shoot at a wolf, moose or caribou from a helicopter? If that's substance I'll take a pass on that.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 02, 2008 9:10 pm ET)
           

        I'm trying to figure out where Palin's substance is.

        In meth labs all over Wasilla.

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    • Author by nerzog (December 02, 2008 6:25 pm ET)
         

      I guess he wants to spend that Bush tax cut before it expires.

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    • Author by BHO=Illegitimate (December 02, 2008 6:36 pm ET)
         

      I must also say, Big F'n Deal!  Tha man makes millions a year from his own personal work, so why can't he spend it as he sees fit?  If he wants to buy his wife, both daughters, his secratary, and Hillary all a $30K rock each, as long as he pays for it himself, SO F'N WHAT!!!!!  The economy could certainly use the influx of cash!

      I always preferred the miniature, yellow handled pocket knives that used to be in the bubblegum machines.

      And it has been all about looks to the Dems since 1960 and "Camelot".  Actually, I need to extend that back even further to 1930, and El's insistance that FDR's wheelchair NEVER be shown to the public.  A wish that the media, even back then, was only too willing to adhere to.

      As for the rest of you out there, are any of you going to seek professional help now that it has been published that liberalism is, indeed, a mental disorder?  I always knew it was, but now someone with the "bonifidees" says so as well.  This is one time Savage called it dead to rights, and ahead of everyone else, as is his usual method of operations.

      Now, Libs, "Progress" to your Doctors, right away!  Don't worry, there will be enough of us hard working, tax paying Americans left to foot the bill for you if you can't afford it.  Just claim disability from it and get on Medi-Care.

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      • Author by snoopy (December 03, 2008 9:52 am ET)
           

        Yeah, whatever, science101. I figure it will be two weeks before you say something so stupid and racist that you get banned again...

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (December 03, 2008 10:43 am ET)
             

          But he's taking the advice of Dr. Weiner seriously, so treat Nu-Troll gently, he may be heavily medicated. Isn't Weiner's degree in horticulture or something?

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          • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:35 pm ET)
               

            Indeed it is. Something about herbs and things.

            He does hit all of the good points though, like for some reason liberals don't work, but yet we're the rich liberal elite, and for the record, most folks don't get rich NOT working or NOT working hard. Most of those folks, with "old" money are, yes, republicans. Show me one man or woman who has made their own millions, and the fact that they didn't need to work hard to accomplish that task. It just doesn't happen really.

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          • Author by magnolialover (December 03, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
               

            Actually I just looked it up, and he earned his PhD in Nutritional Ethnomedicine, which makes him an expert on mental disorders, I'm not sure how really. Maybe because he definitely has one, that gives him insight into it? Not sure...

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    • Author by mk3872 (December 02, 2008 10:45 pm ET)
         
      Folks, the point here is that what the HEL* is MSNBC doing using DRUDGE as a source???? He has proven himself of late to be desperate for attention and is losing his influence. So many stories have been misleading, false and LIES. He was responsible for pushing Ashley Todd, the $30k ring and the daily polls showing McCain tied or in the lead!! He is a sham and MSNBC should leave it up to FoxNews & Politico to be his BFF.
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    • Author by konchster (December 03, 2008 6:38 am ET)
         

      Who gives a rat's a** I can tell from looking at his schedule for the last to years that she spent a lot of nights being mom and dad to those 2 sweet girls and she damn sure deserves a tip of the hat from her man. If it where to come in the form of a ring I say more power

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