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December 06, 2008 3:20 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Several media outlets touted President Bush's purported candor during an ABC interview with Charles Gibson in which Bush said the "biggest regret" of his presidency was the "intelligence failure" regarding the absence of WMD in Iraq and declined to "speculate" whether the administration would have invaded Iraq if the intelligence had shown no WMD. But none of these reports noted the substantial evidence that Bush had already decided to invade Iraq regardless of the available intelligence, or mentioned the substantial uncertainty about the evidence the administration cited in support of the war.

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On December 1, ABC's World News aired an interview of President George W. Bush by anchor Charles Gibson in which Bush said the "biggest regret" of his presidency was the "intelligence failure" regarding the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and declined to "speculate" when asked by Gibson whether the administration would have invaded Iraq "if the intelligence had been right" and Bush "had known" that Saddam Hussein did not possess WMDs. Following the airing of the Gibson interview, multiple media reports described Bush as being either "candid" or "blunt" in his comments on ABC. However, none of these reports noted that there was substantial evidence Bush had already decided to invade Iraq regardless of the available intelligence, or that there was substantial uncertainty about the reliability of the evidence the administration cited in support of the war.

In the interview, Gibson asked what Bush would like as a "do-over" if he could have one. Bush said that the "biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said, you know, the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration. ... [T]hat's not a do-over, but ... I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess." When Gibson asked him if he would have invaded Iraq had he known there were no WMDs, Bush said, "[T]hat's an interesting question. It's -- that is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate."

Among the media reports touting Bush's candor during the ABC interview was a December 2 Washington Post article that said "the president was unusually blunt in identifying shortcomings during his tenure." And in a December 2 article, the New York Daily News reported that in the interview, "President Bush issued a stunningly candid critique of mistakes on his watch ... saying he was 'unprepared' for the 9/11 attacks and calling the flawed case for war in Iraq his 'biggest regret.' "Additionally, CNN's Wolf Blitzer said on the December 1 edition of The Situation Room, "For this president, it's pretty rare to hear him be as candid as he is in this sort of exit interview with ABC News." While Blitzer was referring specifically to Bush "saying that he was unprepared for war," he did not note the evidence pointing to a lack of candor by Bush during the interview.

Contrary to these media reports that Bush was "blunt" or "candid" while discussing the Iraq war during the ABC interview, according to numerous accounts, Bush had decided to oust Saddam within weeks of the September 11, 2001, attacks, reportedly well before he ordered the intelligence community to produce a formal National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on the question of whether Iraq had WMD. Examples of U.S. government, British government, and media reports that Bush had decided to invade Iraq well before the October 2002 NIE was produced include the following:

  • The Downing Street Memo, a once-secret British intelligence memo, indicated that at a July 23, 2002, meeting of British intelligence officials, Britain's intelligence minister reported after a trip to the United States, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
  • As Media Matters has noted, the 9-11 Commission's report stated that according to former national counterterrorism coordinator Richard A. Clarke, Bush asked him on the evening of September 12, 2001, to investigate possible Iraqi links to the previous day's attacks:

    Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11. "See if Sad-dam did this," Clarke recalls the President telling them. "See if he's linked in any way." While he believed the details of Clarke's account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged [in an April 29, 2004, interview with the commission] that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq.

    The commission noted that, on September 18, 2001, Clarke's office sent then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice a response memo on the subject. It "found no 'compelling case' that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the attacks." A March 29, 2004, New York Times article reported: "The White House acknowledged ... that on the day after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush asked his top counterterrorism adviser, Richard A. Clarke, to find out whether Iraq was involved." The Times also noted Clarke's recollection -- disputed by the White House -- of his response to the president:

    Mr. Clarke was incredulous, he said in [his] book [Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror]. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this," he said he responded.

    Mr. Bush answered: "I know, I know, but ... see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred," according to Mr. Clarke's account.

  • On February 13, 2002, Knight-Ridder Newspapers (now McClatchy Newspapers) reported that "President Bush has decided to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power and ordered the CIA, the Pentagon and other agencies to devise a combination of military, diplomatic and covert steps to achieve that goal, senior U.S. officials said Tuesday." The article -- published eight months before the 2002 NIE on Iraq's purported WMD -- continued, "No military strike is imminent, but Bush has concluded that Saddam and his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs are such a threat to U.S. security that the Iraqi dictator must be removed, even if U.S. allies do not help, said the officials, who all spoke on condition of anonymity."
  • A September 11, 2002, USA Today article reported that Bush had made the decision to oust Saddam within weeks of the September 11, 2001, attacks:

    President Bush's determination to oust Iraq's Saddam Hussein by military force if necessary was set last fall without a formal decision-making meeting or the intelligence assessment that customarily precedes such a momentous decision.

    Before the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday, Bush will make his case for "regime change" in detail and in public for the first time. But he decided that Saddam must go more than 10 months ago; the debate within the administration since then has been about the means to accomplish that end.

    [...]

    In late June or early July, Bush decided he would ask Congress for its formal endorsement. Senior State Department and Pentagon officials met with a group of Iraqi opposition leaders on Aug. 9 to ease concerns about a lack of strategy for a post-Saddam Iraq. With his speech to the United Nations, Bush will seek the world's support.

    But whatever the response, aides say Bush's determination to oust Saddam -- the decision he made in the seven weeks following the attacks on Sept. 11 -- hasn't wavered.

    "I'm deeply concerned about a leader who has ignored all -- who ignored the United Nations for all these years, has refused to conform to resolution after resolution after resolution; who has weapons of mass destruction," Bush said Tuesday in a visit to Afghanistan's embassy in Washington. "And the battlefield has now shifted to America.

    The article also reported:

    The White House still has not requested that the CIA and other intelligence agencies produce a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, a formal document that would compile all the intelligence data into a single analysis. An intelligence official says that's because the White House doesn't want to detail the uncertainties that persist about Iraq's arsenal and Saddam's intentions. A senior administration official says such an assessment simply wasn't seen as helpful.

Examples of government and media reports showing that Bush ignored disagreements within the intelligence community about Iraqi WMD programs and possession of WMD include the following:

  • The Senate Intelligence Committee's June 5 "Report on Whether Public Statements Regarding Iraq by U.S. Government Officials Were Substantiated by Intelligence Information" concluded:

    Conclusion 1: Statements by the President, Vice President, Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor regarding a possible Iraqi nuclear weapons program were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates, but did not convey the substantial disagreements that existed in the intelligence community.

    Prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, some intelligence agencies assessed that the Iraqi government was reconstituting a nuclear weapons program, while others disagreed or expressed doubts about the evidence. The Estimate itself expressed the majority view that the program was being reconstituted, but included clear dissenting views from the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research [INR], which argued that reconstitution was not underway, and the Department of Energy [DOE], which argued that aluminum tubes sought by Iraq were probably not intended for a nuclear program.

  • In the same June 5 report, while the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that statements by the administration "regarding Iraq's possession of chemical weapons were substantiated by intelligence information," it also concluded:

    Conclusion 4: Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.

    The intelligence community assessed that Saddam Hussein wanted to have chemical weapons production capability and that Iraq was seeking to hide such capability in its dual use chemical industry. Intelligence assessments, especially prior to the October 2002 NIE, clearly stated that analysts could not confirm that production was ongoing.

  • In his January 28, 2003, State of the Union address, Bush claimed, "Our intelligence sources tell us that he [Saddam] has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

    In fact, as Media Matters has noted, while the majority of intelligence agencies agreed in the October 2002 NIE that the aluminum tubes were intended for uranium-enriching centrifuges, both INR and "technical experts" from the DOE argued that the tubes were "poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment." INR stated that the tubes were probably meant for a conventional weapons program, "most likely the production of artillery rockets."

    Then-National Journal investigative reporter Murray Waas reported on March 2, 2006, that in October 2002, Bush was informed in a one-page "President's Summary" of the NIE that INR and DOE believed the tubes were "intended for conventional weapons." Waas reported that "the one-page summary, several senior government officials said in interviews, was written specifically for Bush, was handed to the president by then-CIA Director George Tenet, and was read in [then-CIA Director George] Tenet's presence."
  • The Senate Intelligence Committee's June 5 report also concluded: "Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa'ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa'ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence." The report also stated: "Intelligence assessments, including multiple CIA reports and the November 2002 NIE, dismissed the claim that Iraq and al-Qa'ida were cooperating partners. According to an undisputed INR footnote in the NIE, there was no intelligence information that supported the claim that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to al-Qa'ida."

From the December 2 broadcast of ABC's World News with Charles Gibson:

GIBSON: You've always said there's no do-overs as president. If you had one?

BUSH: I don't know. The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said, you know, the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration. [break] And, you know, that's not a do-over, I -- but I -- you know, I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.

GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq war?

BUSH: If he had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.

GIBSON: No. If you had known he didn't.

BUSH: Oh, I see what you're saying. You know, I -- that's an interesting question. It's -- that is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate.

From the December 2 Washington Post article, headlined "Reflecting on His Tenure, Bush Shows New Candor":

President Bush, who has long brushed aside questions about his legacy, is opening up a bit during his final weeks in office.

At the White House yesterday, for example, Bush called his program to combat HIV/AIDS "one of the most important initiatives of my administration" and praised it as a resounding success.

And in a separate television interview, the president was unusually blunt in identifying shortcomings during his tenure -- saying that his "biggest regret" was getting the intelligence wrong in Iraq, and conceding that he was not ready to be a wartime president when he first took office.

[...]

The self-criticism is notable for a president who has long resisted looking back at his time in the White House and once was unable to provide an example of a mistake he had made in office. Since the election of President-elect Barack Obama on Nov. 4, however, Bush has appeared increasingly reflective and willing to discuss his legacy, joking about his "forced retirement" and telling the Chinese president that he "felt a bit nostalgic" during their final meeting as heads of state.

From the December 2 New York Daily News article:

President Bush issued a stunningly candid critique of mistakes on his watch Monday night, saying he was "unprepared" for the 9/11 attacks and calling the flawed case for war in Iraq his "biggest regret."

[...]

Members of Congress from both parties and the spy agencies of other nations also concluded that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but "the biggest regret of all" in his term as commander in chief Bush said, "has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq."

GOP strategists have argued that toppling Saddam was worth going to war whether or not Iraq had nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, but Bush said he wasn't sure.

From the December 3 edition of NPR's News and Notes:

TONY COX (alternate host and contributor): All right. Let's fast-forward four years. President Bush now preparing to exit the White House, and in an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson, the president was much more reflective about the shortcomings of his administration.

BUSH: I don't know. The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said, you know, the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration. [break] And, you know, that's not a do-over, I -- but I -- you know, I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.

From the December 1 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:

BLITZER: President Bush in an interview with ABC News is now saying he was unprepared for war. Listen to what he said, and I'll read it to you. He said, "I think I was unprepared for war. In other words, I didn't campaign and say, 'Please vote for me, I'll be able to handle an attack.' In other words, I didn't anticipate war. Presidents -- one of the things about the modern presidency is that the unexpected will happen." For this president, it's pretty rare to hear him be as candid as he is in this sort of exit interview with ABC News.

LESLIE SANCHEZ (CNN political contributor and Republican strategist): Wolf, that's exactly correct. I think the one thing that was probably the most telling: His biggest regret is that he had not had incorrect information related to Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction. And they had built this on faulty intelligence. I think that was probably the most telling. A lot of people wanted to hear him say that, and he did.

But I think to say that he was not prepared to the extent of anticipating a 9-11 or that there was going to be this extreme jihadist movement against, you know, our culture and the Western world was something the globe didn't anticipate. So, with respect to that, I think we have to be careful how we read into it.

BLITZER: How do you read it, James?

JAMES CARVILLE (CNN political contributor and Democratic strategist): Well, first of all, he shouldn't have started the war in Iraq. And a lot of people in the intelligence community had warned him that there was a good chance they didn't have them. There were two stories in The Washington Post before the war that they didn't have it. They looked for the so-called chemical weapons, and they didn't find them. And secondly, if you were unprepared, you should have -- again, it would have been beneficial to have not started one.

With respect to terrorism, people knew that they were a threat. There was a -- all summer before 9-11, there were people warning the White House. George Tenet and I think it was Cofer Black went into Condi Rice's office in August and said, "Look, there's something going on." So we could have been very well prepared for this. But I give the president some credit for being -- I give the president some credit for at least being candid. And, I mean, I think being reflective is sort of a good thing at the end of a term.

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (December 06, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
         

      There must have been a typo.  Shouldn't the word be "candied" not candid.  Why would Charlie Gibson expect Bush the be candid about anything?   And there goes old Wolfie, using a word that does NOT describe the President's answers.  So now we will be hearing everybody in the MSM repeat, ad nauseum, the claim that he was being "candid".   

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    • Author by worrierking (December 06, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
         

      This war monger had a chance to explain himself to the people and he chose not to.

      For the media to even care bout his reasoning or lack thereof  now is ridiculous. Let him slink off into oblivion.

      I hope he nightmares for the rest of his life.

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      • Author by mary59 (December 06, 2008 5:32 pm ET)
           

        This, to some of the press corpses, is "stunning candor."  Wow.  It's like saying that you've peed on someone's leg because you didn't know drinking too much causes a full bladder.

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        • Author by MickD (December 06, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
             

          It's the USA, USA, we're number one mentality of the communication boardrooms that perpetuate this BushieCo propaganda. Now everyone go out and max the credit cards out for Christmas.

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      • Author by worrierking (December 06, 2008 6:50 pm ET)
           

        Sorry, It should have read:

        I hope he HAS nightmares for the rest of his life.

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        • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (December 06, 2008 7:32 pm ET)
             

          No, no, Worrierking, you just made a verb out of a noun.  That was great!  Just conjugate it:  I hightmare, you nightmare, he nightmares, etc.  It is just like mary59's "peacyness" and "hatyness".  Congratualtions.

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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 08, 2008 2:13 am ET)
               

            I think "nightmaring" is just as good a verb as "antiquing" or "vogueing".Don't back down, Worrierking!

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            • Author by nerzog (December 08, 2008 8:22 am ET)
                 

              I agree.  Puddinhead George has been nightmaring us for almost eight years.

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      • Author by doggone-ga (December 07, 2008 10:01 am ET)
           

        "I hope he nightmares for the rest of his life."

        You've got to be kidding.  It takes imagination and empathy with others to trigger nightmares.  I've seen no evidence that Bush has either.  There's such a thing as "comparmentalization" and it involves being able to totally separate different - even wildly different - aspects of your actions. 

        Probably the most notorious case was that of Dr. Joseph Mengele - who could perform barbaric experiments on Jews and then go home to his wife and family and play the piano and behave like any normal human being.

        But you don't have to go to Nazi Germany to find examples.  Years ago someone I knew was turned in to animal control for cruelty to her dogs by someone she INVITED TO SPEND THE WEEKEND WITH HER.  How comparmentalized do you have to be to do that when you have living dogs in such poor condition that their spines stick out through their skin?  Just like Mengele, she was at a dog event - watching and competing when animal control came to pick her up.

        I wouldn't claim to be a doctor, and I sure don't diagnose from videos - but I will say that it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find that Bush (and a lot of those around him) have some degree of compartmentalizion as regards their actions and the results of those actions.

        I bet he'll sleep like a baby.

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        • Author by doggone-ga (December 07, 2008 10:06 am ET)
             

          "Just like Mengele, she was at a dog event - watching and competing when animal control came to pick her up."

          Sorry!  That didn't come out right!  I meant that "just like Mengele" she was doing normal things - by being in attendence at a dog event, when animal control picked her up.

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          • Author by worrierking (December 07, 2008 10:19 am ET)
               

            I think you're right about him compartmentalizing. How else could someone sleep with at least a hundred  thousand  deaths on his hands?

            It's still early and your story is the third I've read today about animal cruelty. I just read an article in the NY Times about the prevalence of dog fighting in Texas. One of my best friends in the world is my rescued pit bull. He was starved and beaten as a puppy but refused to fight. He was left for dead.

            He's now the sweetest and most gentle dog I've ever seen.

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            • Author by doggone-ga (December 07, 2008 10:55 am ET)
                 

              Yes, Pit Bulls are great dogs.  The "problem" with them (with some of their owners actually) is that they have great strength, a tremendous bite, an instinct to bite and hold, and a huge desire to please their owners.  So vicious owners take advantage of those attributes to direct their dog abilities towards attacking other dogs.

              I live in area where dog fighting is still done and, like it or not, if you pay attention you WILL learn things you don't necessarily want to know about dog fights.  One of the things I've learned is that the "old time" dog fighting men - who fight to test their dogs courage (not the merely avaricious who fight them for money) will tell you that a Pit Bull that attacks a human is insane - because the owners have to be able to go in the dog pit and break up a fight.  So anyone who teacher their Pit Bull to attack people is having to overcome a deeply rooted instint NOT to attach people.  Or, at least, they are not nuturing that instinct and it gets lost.  Poorly socialized dogs can be considered insane already, and you will find that in most cases when Pit Bulls attack people they have been poorly raised - even if they aren't actually taught to attack.

              Fortunately law enforcement and the courts are SLOWLY beginning to take animal cruelty more seriously, as there is evidence that cruelty to animals, especially in children, is a precursor to cruelty to people.

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              • Author by magnolialover (December 08, 2008 12:45 pm ET)
                   

                Taking it too slow in my opinion as far as animal cruelty goes.

                I might be called weird, but when I see shows on TV about like certain animal precints around the country, and the animal control officers, and I see abused and mis-treated pets, it makes me a lot more sad then when I see sad tales of people. I think it's the innocence of the animals that makes it hit home for me, plus the love that I have for my 2 dogs and 2 cats (all rescue pets).

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        • Author by konchster (December 07, 2008 1:17 pm ET)
             

          Hell he brags about sleeping like a baby. The press apparently can't remember that all his reasons where debunked and the real intel was there. His problems psychologically  run a lot deeper than compartmentalization 

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          • Author by historygeek001 (December 08, 2008 1:45 pm ET)
               

            I think we should list "pathological liar" along with his myriad other faults.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 09, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
               

            Hell he brags about sleeping like a baby.

            McCain said the same thing, except McCain followed it up with, "I sleep for about two hours, wake up and cry, and then do it all over again"

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        • Author by scarletwitch23 (December 09, 2008 8:28 am ET)
             

          I think Bush sleeps like a baby because he can't comprehend the mess he's leaving our country in.

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      • Author by frautuck (December 09, 2008 3:33 am ET)
           

        Well said.  I can't wait til he takes his sorry ass back to Texas.

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    • Author by mefirst (December 06, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
         

      leslie sanchez is listed as a "cnn contributer and republican strategist".  what she really is is a bs artist and historical revisionist.   she says bush couldn't have anticipated 9-11 and that the extreme jihadist movement was "something the globe didn't anticipate".   hello?  did this woman sleep away the 1990s?  the 1993 world trade center bombing, when clinton had been in office a month?  the numerous plots stopped in this country under clinton?  the embassy bombings in 1998?  the 9-11 commision, which bush opposed because he didn't want the truth known, said that threat warnings of an attack "surged in june and july" of 2001.  as they titled chaper 8 of the report, about that summer, "the system was blinking red".   james carville rightly pointed out her revisionism. 

      and the liar-in-chief  still tells that same big lie that the media has never called him on [i think krugman has mentioned it].   bush says we had to invade because saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in.   he's a liar, they had been there for months.

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      • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (December 06, 2008 7:40 pm ET)
           

        Right on, mefirst.  We all know the "reason" Butcher Bush wanted to attack Iraq.  The OIL, man; the OIL.  His oil industry buddies were thirsty and saw a way to get at all that OIL. Cheney had his own little club-house playmates, too.  How many millions have they made by NOT fulfilling their multi-billion no-bid contracts?  We also know what to expect from a "republican strategist".  

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        • Author by markbfoot199 (December 08, 2008 11:02 am ET)
             

          So if this was about Oil, where is the oil?  I have not seen any oil coming from Iraq.  Could you please show me where the oil has gone?  This would help me understand your logic.

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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 08, 2008 11:15 am ET)
               

            The oil's not for you. You won't be seeing it.Neither will I. We're just paying for the project.

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (December 08, 2008 11:25 am ET)
               

            where is the oil? 

            On a tanker headed to China.  People in other countries own and drive cars too, you know.

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          • Author by magnolialover (December 08, 2008 12:48 pm ET)
               

            Oil is still there.

            With a country in an occupation, and with radical groups still around, the problem is, they can't get much oil out due to sabotage, destruction of equipment during the invasion, inability to re-construct the equipment due to the region not being stable, and the lack of experienced people who would want to go there to do these projects due to the overwhelming danger that they would pose to themselves personally. Flow of oil coming from Iraq is less now, than it was before we invaded the country. Their infrastructure was essentially destroyed by us duing the invasion, and we haven't been able to put it back together again (something about Humpty Dumpty and a wall in there somewhere).

            You seriously can't be this stupid can you?

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            • Author by markbfoot199 (December 08, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
                 

              Magnolia, please, the area of major oil deposits are in the South, one of the most stable areas of Iraq and has been for several years.  So no I am not Stupid (please keep the name calling to yourself) again I read many websites for information and one of the best for the oil industry is www.rigzone.com. Second, the government of Iraq is still trying to figure out which Oil companies they would like to do business with, all the majors in the world have put in bids and are all evaluating the areas.  The infustrcuture that Saddam had (lack of) was so old that the oil companies that have interest in the area understand that the equipment is so outdated, unsafe and unable to produce the oil at the volume that it would require to turn a profit.  Oil equipment must be updated frequently and due the embargo placed on him from the U.N. Saddam was unable to do so, so it was not the invasion the destroyed the equipment but the lack of attention give to the upkeep and availability of new updated equipment. Once again you are wrong on the amout of oil that is being produced now, and what was produced at the time of his reign.  Please read below, the slow down came after Saddam invaded Kuwait, not because of the Iraq War, they are almost at full capacity of the early day, and with new equipment coming in, and the update of the pipelines the people of Iraq will see the money reinvested in their well being, not the well being of Saddam.

              Iraqi Oil Production
              Shortly after its failed 1990 invasion of Kuwait and imposition of resulting trade embargos, Iraq's oil production fell from 3.5 million barrels per day to around 300,000 barrels per day. By February 2002, Iraqi oil production had recovered to about 2.5 million barrels per day. Iraqi officials had hoped to increase the country's oil production capacity to 3.5 million barrels per day by the end of 2000, but did not accomplish this given technical problems with Iraqi oil fields, pipelines, and other oil infrastructure. Iraq also claims that oil production capacity expansion has been constrained by refusal of the United Nations to provide Iraq with all the oil industry equipment it has requested.

              FYI, Venezuela will meet the same fate soon, no company outside of his own county is going to bend over backward to send him new equipment, and it will go to friendly countries that are willing to pay.  Chavez has stole millions upon millions of dollars of equipment from the companies that went into Venezuela to set up the oil industry the he turned around and marched in and took over. 

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    • Author by representativepress (December 07, 2008 2:41 am ET)
         

      Please keep in mind that Bush has been lying about the very reason he attacked Iraq! Look how ABC's braodcast edited out Bush's big lie. See video: Critical Facts Reporters Won't Report, Serious Issues which put our Lives at Risk

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      • Author by mefirst (December 07, 2008 7:52 am ET)
           

        you're correct.  this is a lie he has been telling for years.  he's said it numerous times.  after an initial period of resistance, the inspectors were allowed to inspect where they wanted. 

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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 08, 2008 2:16 am ET)
             

          I don't remember any condors in his interview, but I think this is the chat where Spurious George said he'd like to be remembered as the guy who liberated 50 million people. Good luck with that. 

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        • Author by nerzog (December 08, 2008 8:30 am ET)
             

          The other lie that continues to go unchallenged is that everybody saw the same intelligence and came to the same conclusions.  That statement may have a grain of truth, since a lot of the "everybodies" got their intelligence from us.

          However, several foreign leaders and U.S. lawmakers saw that intelligence and were still not convinced that war was justified.  A number of witnesses have said, on record, that the intelligence was cherrypicked and, in some cases, distorted.  These witnesses have gotten little attention outside of books, documentaries and the blogosphere.

          This is the story that the MSM has no interest in reporting, for some reason.

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          • Author by mefirst (December 08, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
               

            exhibit a, the downing street memo.  the decision to go to war had been made months before, and the "facts were fixed around the policy".

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    • Author by mikepiedmont8849 (December 07, 2008 12:23 pm ET)
         

      watching C-span last wk. a Republican caller defending Dick Nixon, claimed Nixon did not know about the string of felonies the GOP team of criminal "plumbers" committed. The day earlier,new tapes of Nixon were released, showing Mr. Nixon speaking & planning ALL the dastardly crimes.

      The premise that a criminal president is above the law & punishment makes a mockery of American ideals & the Justice System.

      And, the assertion that someone at the height of the American social & legal order is a naive rube who does not "understand" the moral & legal gravity of his Actions ( criminal or otherwise) is both pathetic & unacceptable.

      When criminal acts are perpetrated by a man that continues to be  idolized by a minority of the  American public, it is in the service of justice & the historical record that frauds &(or) lies be exposed via the wheels of justice.

      Otherwise our American way of life & the factual discourse of the nation will be perverted by minions who reject truth.....even when coming straight from the horse's mouth...or tapes as is (was) the case with Dick Nixon. 

      And,  figures such as Dick Cheney & Karl Rove are free to present base lies ....as the gospel truth.

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    • Author by markbfoot199 (December 08, 2008 10:58 am ET)
         

      I always find this subject interesting.  Saddam had weapons: (below are links to news agencies that many of you respect, there are others but sure you would say they are right wing support systems.)

      http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=060622055545.07o4imol&show_article=1

      http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2006/1083/

      http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/13/224902.shtml

      http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/iraq.htm

      Now I know many of you will say many things about this subject as well, but bottom line there were many Nuclear, Biological, Chemical and Missile Capabilities Programs under Saddam, would he have used them on his enemies, yes he did with the Kurds to the north, would he have sold them to other we do not know.  Saddam was not a good guy; with him out of power the world is a better place.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 08, 2008 11:32 am ET)
           

        Saddam had weapons:

        Yeah, back in the 1980's/1990's.  One reason Bush/Cheney invaded and occupied Iraq was because they DIDN'T have WMD's.

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      • Author by magnolialover (December 08, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
           

        Nobody ever disagrees that he had (past tense) weapons in the early 1980's and up until the 90's. Why did we know that? We sold them to him. He used them on the Kurds in the North, and Iranian troops during his war with Iran (one of the many reasons Iranians tend NOT to like Americans for the most part).

        Thing is, in the run up before the Iraq war in 2003, with inspectors on the ground reviewing alleged weapons sites, and alleged storage facilities, the inspectors were not finding, well, anything at all to suggest that he had weapons, and or that he had recently had weapons stored at those locations.

        Were there programs? Yes, there were. Were they active? That's the biggest question, and the answer to that is, no, they were not.

        Even if, and this is a big IF, he had WMDs of some sorts, there would have been no way for him to sell them oustide of Iraq? Why? You do remember the amount of security and surveillance that we had in Iraq since the end of Gulf War I correct? Saddam, and his regime, were bottled up. Their infrastrcutre was severely damaged, and or aging, and was not recovering since 1991. He was monitored endlessly, as well as surveilled by the US. We would have known, if he had tried to sell WMDs, and or those weapons would have never made it out of Iraq, since we owned the air over the entire country if need be.

        Saddam was contained. Saddam was not a danger to anyone (except his own people). Saddam posed no threat to the greater world. As a matter of fact, it has been postulated that Saddam kept in check other nations around him, such as Iran, with the possibility that he had WMDs. Also, Syria. Now with Saddam removed, you have 3 countries who are now ideologically aligned with each other (Iran, Iraq, and Syria), and the region is more destabilized than at any other time in recorded history.

        PS: Don't use Newsmax for a source about, well, anything. That makes you look not too smart, since everyone knows they are a severe right wing highly partisan hack news outfit that puts out lie after lie after lie and propaganda to try and prop up conservatives. They're not even close to being objective about, well, anything.

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        • Author by markbfoot199 (December 08, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
             

          Magnolia, - your statement "Saddam was not a danger to anyone (except his own people)." So it is ok for a dictator to kill his own people, just do not go outside of our counrty.  This is happening in many places, we the U.S. have always stepped in and helped these nations, no we can not help them all, but we can sure try. Now this may not be a reason for war, but it is a good reason to take him out of power. 

          Not all the weapons found are from the 90's, some were more recent, either way he had them at one point, how do you know he would not use them again. "Since 2003, Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent," said an overview of the report unveiled by Senator Rick Santorum and Peter Hoekstra, head of the intelligence committee of the House of Representatives."

          "He (Saddam) was monitored endlessly, as well as surveilled by the US. We would have known, if he had tried to sell WMDs, and or those weapons would have never made it out of Iraq, since we owned the air over the entire country if need be." You really believe that he could not get things out of his country?  Give me a break, so all the oil that he was shipping out of his country, your sure we know about all of that oil?  We may have owned the skys, but not the groud. 

          Look, bottom line I think the man was a evil guy, it was good that he is not longer in control.  You and I will disagree all day long on this subject and that is ok, I will not convince you other wise I know this.

          P.S. Please list all new agencies liberals will accept as information, I will make sure I only use those in the future. I would say the same thing about MM as you do about Newsweek.  "Severe Left Wing, high partisan hacks"

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          • Author by mefirst (December 08, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
               

            that's utter nonsense that we "have always stepped in" and removed dictators.  get a grip.  as for the weapons, none of that matters.  the inspectors were there and finding nothing, even at the sites we sent them to.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 09, 2008 1:45 pm ET)
               

            So it is ok for a dictator to kill his own people, just do not go outside of our counrty.

            Do you know what the response of Reagan, Rumsfeld and the rest of the GOP Administration was when they learned that Saddam killed his own people?

            They sold him more gas, and more helicopters to disperse that gas from.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 09, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
               

            I would say the same thing about MM as you do about Newsweek.

            That doesn't make it correct, no matter how often or how loudly you say it.

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    • Author by scarletwitch23 (December 09, 2008 8:34 am ET)
         

      "[T]hat's not a do-over, but ... I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess."

      Is he wishing there had been WMDs in Iraq?

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