On Fox, Tantaros misquoted Obama, falsely claiming he said "the economy is only gonna get worse"
SUMMARY: On Fox News' America's Newsroom, Andrea Tantaros falsely claimed that "[t]his past weekend," President-elect Barack Obama said that "the economy is only gonna get worse." Tantaros continued: "Well, you can't say that kind of thing when you're president. ... He's got to be more positive." Co-host Bill Hemmer did not point out in response to Tantaros that Obama did not say "the economy is only gonna get worse"; he said the economy would get worse but would subsequently recover.
On the December 8 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, FoxNews.com contributor and Republican consultant Andrea Tantaros falsely claimed during a panel discussion led by co-host Bill Hemmer that "[t]his past weekend," President-elect Barack Obama said that "the economy is only gonna get worse." Tantaros continued: "Well, you can't say that kind of thing when you're president. He's proving he's more of a Carter than a Reagan. He's got to be more positive." Hemmer did not correct Tantaros' falsehood. In fact, Obama did not say that "the economy is only gonna get worse." During a December 7 interview on NBC's Meet the Press and at a press conference later that day, Obama asserted that the economy would get worse but would subsequently recover.
On Meet the Press, Obama said, "[W]hen you think about the structural problems that we already had in the economy before the financial crisis, this is a big problem and it's gonna get worse." Later in the interview, Obama stated that "things are gonna get worse before they get better" and "[t]he key for us is making sure that we jump-start that economy in a way that doesn't just deal with the short term, doesn't just create jobs immediately, but also puts us on a glide path for long-term, sustainable economic growth."
At a press conference later that day, Obama said, "I do think that we have not seen all of the scope of -- of, you know, some of the hardship that's being experienced by families." He later stated: "I am absolutely confident that if we take the right steps over the coming months, that not only can we get the economy back on track, but we can emerge leaner, meaner, and ultimately more competitive and more prosperous. And that's why the economic stimulus package that I proposed is one that is designed not just to deal with the short term, but also to deal with the long term."
During the America's Newsroom segment, Tantaros also claimed that Obama's proposed infrastructure investment plan "makes me very, very nervous, because what people are calling this is the 'new New Deal,' and if you remember correctly, the New Deal didn't work. It was called the Great Depression." Tantaros' comments echoed those made by other conservatives in the media who have responded to suggestions that measures on the scope of the New Deal are needed to revive the economy by denouncing the New Deal as ineffective or damaging, thereby arguing that government intervention on the scale that Roosevelt launched destroys rather than saves the economy.
From the December 7 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:
TOM BROKAW (host): President-elect Obama, welcome back to Meet the Press.
OBAMA: Great to be here. Thank you.
BROKAW: Very nice to have you with us. As we saw in the opening, the world has gotten considerably worse since your election. There is no evidence that it's cause and effect, you should be happy to know. But, nonetheless, we now are officially in a recession. It's around the world, and most analysts think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Sixty-seven years ago this day, one of your predecessors, Franklin Roosevelt, faced Pearl Harbor.
OBAMA: Right.
BROKAW: What are the differences between his challenges and the ones that you face?
OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it's important for us to remember that as tough as times are right now, they're nothing compared to what my grandparents went through -- what the "greatest generation" went through. You know, at this point, you already had 25, 30 percent unemployment across the country, and we didn't have many of the social safety nets that emerged out of the New Deal. So, there's no doubt that Franklin Roosevelt had to re-create an entire economic structure that had entirely collapsed, and we've got some strengths that he -- he didn't have.
But, look, if you look at the unemployment numbers that came out yesterday; if you think about almost 2 million jobs lost so far; if you think about the fragility of the financial system and the fact that it is now a global financial system, so that what happens in Thailand or Russia can have an impact here, and, obviously, what happens on Wall Street has an impact worldwide; when you think about the structural problems that we already had in the economy before the financial crisis, this is a big problem and it's gonna get worse.
And -- and one of the things that I'm constantly mindful of are all the people I met during the campaign who were already struggling before things got worse. You know, mothers and fathers who were working hard every day but didn't have health care, couldn't figure out how to send their kids to college. Now they're looking at pink slips, jobs being shipped overseas that devastate entire towns. And that's why my number-one priority coming in is making sure that we've got an economic recovery plan that is equal to the task.
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BROKAW: On this program about a year ago, you said being a president is 90 percent circumstances and about 10 percent agenda. The circumstances now are, as you say, very unpopular in terms of the decisions that have to be made. Which are the most unpopular ones that the country's going to have to deal with?
OBAMA: Well, fortunately, as tough as times are right now -- and things are gonna get worse before they get better -- there is a convergence between circumstances and agenda. The key for us is making sure that we jump-start that economy in a way that doesn't just deal with the short term, doesn't just create jobs immediately, but also puts us on a glide path for long-term, sustainable economic growth.
And that's why I spoke in my radio address on Saturday about the importance of investing in the largest infrastructure program -- in roads and bridges and -- and other traditional infrastructure -- since the building of the federal highway system in the 1950s; rebuilding our schools and making sure that they're energy efficient; making sure that we're investing in electronic medical records and other technologies that can drive down health care costs. All those things are not only immediate -- part of an immediate stimulus package to the economy -- but they're also down payments on the kind of long-term, sustainable growth that we need.
From CNN's coverage of Obama's December 7 press conference:
JONATHAN MARTIN (Politico senior political writer): Thank you, sir. You said on Meet the Press this morning that the economy is getting worse before it's getting better, sir. In light of the severity of the crisis, do you think the Bush administration is doing enough right now to address the economy? And what more could they be doing, sir?
OBAMA: Well, I do think that we have not seen all of the scope of -- of, you know, some of the hardship that's being experienced by families. You know, if you had half a million jobs in November that have been lost, what that means is that families who right now may still be absorbing the initial shock, they're gonna have to be making a bunch of tough decisions going forward.
Some of them may have lost health care. Some of them were already having a tough time before they lost their job. And so, you know, the main thing I wanted to communicate was the fact that, you know, these aren't just abstract numbers, that they ripple throughout the economy, and -- and people are really suffering, which is why we've got to act swiftly and boldly.
I think the administration understands the severity of the problem. I think they want to do the right thing. I will repeat what I said on Meet the Press today, which is, we have not seen the kind of aggressive steps in the housing market to stem foreclosures that I would like to see.
And my team is preparing plans to address that foreclosure situation. I -- we have -- my team has had some conversations with the administration about that. If it is not done during the transition, it will be done by me. But let me make one last point. I am absolutely confident that if we take the right steps over the coming months, that not only can we get the economy back on track, but we can emerge leaner, meaner, and ultimately more competitive and more prosperous. And that's why the economic stimulus package that I proposed is one that is designed not just to deal with the short term, but also to deal with the long term.
From the December 8 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
BILL HEMMER (co-anchor): What do you think's good for America, huh?
HEATHER NAUERT (co-anchor): What, do we get a big ol' bonus?
HEMMER: How about $1 trillion infrastructure investment in America today?
NAUERT: Oh, you've got an idea for us. All right, Bill.
HEMMER: President-elect Obama suggesting that will be his plan once in office in January. A public works program bigger than the construction of the interstate highway system of the 1950s. Is that what we need? Bob Beckel, Fox News contributor and former Mondale campaign manager, and Andrea Tantaros, Republican consultant and FoxNews.com contributor -- good morning to both of you.
TANTAROS: Good morning, Bill.
HEMMER: Bob and Andrea. Must be a Monday. Hey, Andrea, is this the medicine that America needs?
TANTAROS: Well, you know what, Bill, this makes me very, very nervous, because what people are calling this is the "new New Deal," and if you remember correctly, the New Deal didn't work. It was called the Great Depression, and you know, when you have Barack Obama -- part of the stimulus package is giving money back to the American people in the form of checks. This past weekend he comes out and says the economy is only gonna get worse. Well, you can't say that kind of thing when you're president. He's proving he's more of a Carter than a Reagan. He's got to be more positive, 'cause if you give the people checks they're just gonna horde it. They're not gonna spend it.
HEMMER: Oh, a trillion here, a trillion there. Eventually it's real money.
TANTAROS: Right. Right. We'll just weaken our currency. No biggie.
HEMMER: Let's -- let's define what he said, first of all, Bob. He's talking about highways, roads -- basic infrastructure. Also talking about government buildings, making them greener, more energy efficient. Talking about a better broadband system -- system for the Internet throughout the U.S. That's a lot; is it what we need?















Even if Taranto's quote of Obama is innacurate, his criticism is valid.
Even if Taranto's quote of Obama is innacurate, his criticism is valid.
That's "inaccurate," "her criticism," and no, it isn't valid.
Give it up, AA, you can't win this one. She was wrong, and you only look foolish trying to defend her.
Hahaha... Thanks for pointing "her" out. As you can see, I didn't look at the video (I never do.) ... I conflated the name with James Taranto of the WSJ.
Great... you comment without reading the item or listening to the clip. How very.
I'm confused with these gender issue thingys. Tantaro is a she, but his criticism is valid. Who's criticism? What criticism? The New Deal caused the Great Depression? Wow, who knew? Or maybe it's the comment where everone gets a check only to horde, and not spend. Priceless; or you're clueless.
Maybe he was thinking of James Taranto. If that's the case, either he didn't read the article at all, or he just forgot who they were talking about by the time he finished.
Brab,
Correct. As I explained above, I just read the article and mistook her name for James Taranto.
bg,
Sorry for the confusion. I meant Tantaros and her criticism of Obama's choice of words describing the economic situation, saying it will get worse before it gets better.
So you're saying if things are bad, the President's responsibility is to gloss over the facts? I think most of us have had quite enough of that, that's why we've elected a more pragmatic and honest leader.
Kyle,
No, I didn't say that or imply that at all. You are reading too much into my post.
Why is that, because we don't want truth and honesty in our president? That really worked well these last 8 years...
Snoop,
The problem is that words have consequences... Obama's off the cuff pronouncements, which might be accurate, but might not in this case, can help exacerbate the situation by senting unintended signals to Wall St.
Those unintended signals sent the Dow to almost over 9000 points. Obama is such a gig-harsher!
robot,
Consider the Dow might have gone even higher had he not said it the way it came out.
There's any easy way to find out, AA, if you are convinced that Obama's comments hurt the Dow: Find out when his statements came out and trace the performance of the markets after his comments. Go ahead and prove your point.
Six weeks before the man takes office Tantaros claims that he's "proving to be more of a Carter than a Reagan" - where does Fox find these morons? Partisanship aside, she is just too stupid for the teevee machine.
The New Deal didn't work? It caused the Great Depression? I didn't know that.
I do agree that in some ways Obama is being more of a Carter than a Reagan. Speaking to the American people as adults as opposed to the phony sunshine -up-the-chute, morning in America baby talk pablum of St. Ronnie. Maybe we've matured a little since the mistakes of the 80s.
Oh, Col., a most effective summary of the Ronnie McDonald ethos. Hilarious and true. By the way, did you ever get YOUR trickle?
And to AA, please don't trot out your tired whine about us old liberals not being able to accept "a different opinion". If an opinion is WRONG, I am not about to accept it. Tantaros said that the RESULT of the New Deal was the Great Depression. Whoa! So the United States' response to the attack on Pearl harbor CAUSED World War II?
Don,
IMHO, you too misread part of the article. Tarantos did not say the New Deal caused the Great Depression. She said the New Deal was the Great Depression.
You may disagree, but some historians feel that the New Deal policies put in place by FDR actually prolonged the Depression.
ps. I'm stuck on Tarantos... It should read Tantaros. Sorry for the confusion.
Just curious, which historians maintian that the New Deal prolonged the Depression?
In FDR’s Folly, historian Jim Powell argues that it was in fact the New Deal itself, with its shortsighted programs, that deepened the Great Depression, swelled the federal government, and prevented the country from turning around quickly. You’ll discover in alarming detail how FDR’s federal programs hurt America more than helped it, with effects we still feel today, including:
• How Social Security actually increased unemployment
• How higher taxes undermined good businesses
• How new labor laws threw people out of work
• And much more
(See Amazon.com)
Here are a other historians and economists and authors who wrote blubs for this book. One can assume they are in general agreement with Powell since they support this book.
"Admirers of FDR credit his New Deal with restoring the American economy after the disastrous contraction of 1929-33. Truth to tell - as Powell demonstrates without a shadow of a doubt - the New Deal hampered recovery from the contraction, prolonged and added to unemployment, and set the stage for ever more intrusive and costly government. Powell's analysis is thoroughly documented, relying on an impressive variety of popular and academic literature both contemporary and historical."
Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate, Hoover Institution
"There is a critical and often forgotten difference between disaster and tragedy. Disasters happen to us all, no matter what we do. Tragedies are brought upon ourselves by hubris. The Depression of the 1930s would have been a brief disaster if it hadn't been for the national tragedy of the New Deal. Jim Powell has proven this."
P.J. O'Rourke, author of Parliament of Whores and Eat the Rich
"The material laid out in this book desperately needs to be available to a much wider audience than the ranks of professional economists and economic historians, if policy confusion similar to the New Deal is to be avoided in the future."
James M. Buchanan, Nobel Laureate, George Mason University
"I found Jim Powell's book fascinating. I think he has written an important story, one that definitely needs telling."
Thomas Fleming, author of The New Dealers' War
"Jim Powell is one tough-minded historian, willing to let the chips fall where they may. That's a rare quality these days, hence more valuable than ever. He lets the history do the talking."
David Landes, Professor of History Emeritus, Harvard University
"Jim Powell draws together voluminous economic research on the effects of all of Roosevelt's major policies. Along the way, Powell gives fascinating thumbnail sketches of the major players. The result is a devastating indictment, compellingly told. Those who think that government intervention helped get the U.S. economy out of the depression should read this book."
David R. Henderson, editor of The Fortune Encyclopedia of Economics and author of The Joy of Freedom
That was just a simple search. You can look up others if you desire.
My mini-mistake, AA. She said the new deal deal didn't work, it was "called" the great depression. How she got this concept is a big mystery to me. "The New Deal was called the Great Depression"? Obama DID say, ONCE, that the financial situation was "gonna get worse", but he repeatedly also said it was gonna get worse before IT GETS BETTER. So, what's the beef? The he is telling the American people the truth? Only an idiot will expect January 20th will be the exact date that the economy is miraculously going to turn around in 24 hours. We are tired of being lied to. Obama never promised a quick-fix. The collective fools at Fox will be the contributors of false idealism in order to undermine this "new" new deal. They seem to be counting on, as are certain Republicans, Obama's failure. Perhaps the American people will finally shout them down with a resounding, "Ahhhhhhh, Shaddduuppp, alreaady! We've had ENOUGH!"
Have you ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? When the President says things are going to get worse before they get better, it can have an effect on the short term markets, by increasing uncertainty by investors and the thoughts that the market will continue to slide before it gets better. It may cause employers to more seriously consider added layoffs to lower costs. It may cause consumers to delay purchases until things "get better". All these can create a downward spiral of lower stock prices, lower employment, and lower consumer spending.
Every President knows his words have meaning. Obama simply showed his naivete and inexperience by making an ill informed comment like that.
I think you are being too generous admitting to even a mini-mistake, Donald.
Tantaros said, "...the New Deal didn't work. It was called the Great Depression." If the "It" in the second sentence refers to the New Deal, then it makes no sense, unless Taranto believes "New Deal" and "Great Depression" are the same thing. Even Republican strategists aren't usually that stupid.
If, on the other hand, the "It" refers to the New Deal not working, which I think is likely the case, then you were right. She is saying that the Great Depression is the result of the New Deal (not working).
In any case, I don't see how anyone can interpret what she said as meaning the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression.
It is obvious to me that she meant New Deal = Great Depression. It qualifies as a bit of sarcasm.
So if it was sarcasm, she means that the New Deal didn't prolong or amplify the Depression?
Wait, am I trying to get a sensible answer from somebody who used a blurb from Milton Friedman to support somebody's economic theories?
Never mind.
If only Republican Consultant Andrea Tantaros had asked our Republican President to "be more positive" over the past eight years. Oops!
The President HAS been very positive over the past eight years. Unfortunately, it is this detachment from reality that got us into this situation in the first place.
He was just positively wrong.
Bush has not been very positive.
I don't know, those eyebrows give her that "Morticia" look...
She's OK. She's no Michelle Malkin, Megan Kelly or Norah O'Donnell. I don't think I'd cross the ideological fence for her.
Michelle Malkin??????????????? Yikes!!!!!
To pjcarter: That used to be a great date on Saturday night!
for FOX, being wrong is the norm. maybe it would just be easier to post when they get something right. granted, it would make for far fewer posts, but...................
ok, you got me, it would make for, well, probably no posts at all about FOX!
It's not just FOX. I heard the local resident Right Wing Idiot in Boston, Jay Severin, harp on the same subject for a long time today.
The Repubican talking-points-of-the-day theme is alive and well.
You have to understand what conservatives/FOX News hears when they listen to Obama, and example:
*what Obama originally says:
I love America, but I just think we are far from a perfect country.
*what FOX News/Conservatives hear:
I HATE AMERICA AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR - I WANT TO CONVERT EVERY AMERICAN INTO MUSLIMS AND MAKE OSAMA BINLADEN OUR NATIONAL HERO, BECUASE I'M ANGRY BLACK MAN WHO WANTS TO DESTROY THE WHITE PERSON!!!!!
This obsession with Fox is amazing. If you watched ANY media over the last couple of days, they all stated that Obama realizes the conomy will get worse before it gets better.
It's not a big deal and for this to be one of the top stories on this site is weak.
Frank, I think you've entirely missed the point of this item.
This article surely merits hall of fame consideration for mmfa's niggling pettiness of nitpicking every single word uttered...to suit their partisan agenda.
A more compelling discussion of this article would be Tantaros comment that compared Obama to Carter...yet mmfa chose to headline the article concerning the economy statement.
Obama clearly stated the economy will get worse...in his opinion...and Tantaros called him on it.
It is what it is...a correct reflection on Obama's position on the economy by Tantaros...and a shallow partisan attempt at a rebuttal by mmfa.
Are you seriously arguing that "the economy is only gonna get worse" isn't less positive than what Obama actually said?
On the December 8 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, FoxNews.com contributor and Republican consultant Andrea Tantaros falsely claimed during a panel discussion led by co-host Bill Hemmer that "[t]his past weekend," President-elect Barack Obama said that "the economy is only gonna get worse." Tantaros continued: "Well, you can't say that kind of thing when you're president. He's proving he's more of a Carter than a Reagan. He's got to be more positive." Hemmer did not correct Tantaros' falsehood. In fact, Obama did not say that "the economy is only gonna get worse." During a December 7 interview on NBC's Meet the Press and at a press conference later that day, Obama asserted that the economy would get worse but would subsequently recover.
She altered what he said in order to make the very point about him being more like Carter than Reagan, to assert that he's not as positive as he should be. You act as if the Carter comparison is somehow detached from the "nitpicking", when obviously it is directly connected to it.
I understand that it is important to criticize our government but jumping on Obama's back everytime he says anything is getting ridicullous. He doesn't even have the job yet.
It wouldn't matter what Obama or Tantaros said. Of course it is going to get better at some point. Nobody believes that the economy isn't going to rebound at some point down the road. The economy is cyclical.
Noodle, then Zoolander, then Pan Flied Ribrolls.
Just for the record, those are the names that have shown up on this post.